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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/24/2010 : 23:49:38
Through 22 games this year "Les Habitants" have posted a 14-7-1 record good enough for 3rd in the eastern conference, is this team playing over their head or are they the real deal?
Pasty |
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| Mario 66 |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 10:52:16
If the habs didn't have bad luck they would have no luck at all this yr. Top two D gone for the yr, top forward gone for a month or more & their best prospect gone for a month or more. Anybody wanna determine if it will be Price or Louis Leblanc to go down next?
All the best to them i think they can hold on to the 7th or 8 seed but only time will tell.
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 10:17:03
The Habs are in tough, and Price is gonna have to keep playing at a high level for them to maintain their spot in the middle of the playoff seeds! |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 10:02:37
Update on injuries, cammy worst than reported:
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=350130
"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins.” - Brian Burke |
| Odin |
Posted - 12/17/2010 : 07:12:56
Slozo, a quarter of a season is actually a pretty good barometer in my opinion. But the problem with that is it's anything but. He missed most of last season and as I said, has been out for the better part of a year, and the Habs have proven that they can still win w/o him. Once upon a time he was the definition of the Habs fortunes but that is no longer the case as has been pointed out.
These aren't the same Habs of two years ago. Does Markov make them better when he's in? Sure. Do they need him to win? No. As you say, Price has been stellar, and seeing the way he is playing, calm and confident, I don't see a colapse happening anytime soon. The defence playing above their head? Don't think so, they have a solid lineup on the blueline. If they can get Subban better under control, they will be better and I have been pleasantly surprised by Picard.
They have two lines that can score and a pretty good checking line and a 4th line that contributes. With the system put in place, a great job done by the coaching staff, it all translates into a pretty good team. |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 12/17/2010 : 06:59:35
Patsy beyond the streaks and all that Bouchard indicates. You simply need to look at the series against the pens last yr and Cammelari almost single handedly beat the pens the way Halak beat the Caps.
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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/16/2010 : 16:27:43
just to prove my point the habs are on a 3 game skid their first of the season who just scored at 18:27 of the first period for the habs?? thats right the little Italien (wait we have more than one of those lol)
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/16/2010 : 13:32:02
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Originally posted by Mario 66
Why is Markov all of sudden the crucial part to the habs season? The so called insurance to their success! Has everyone forgotten the guy has basically missed the last 3yrs due to various injuries.
08-09 he was a stud but then had an upperbody injury keep him out of the playoffs
09-10 - lascerated tendon first game of the season out more then half the season, then messed up his knee in the playoffs 1st game second round and they still nearly made the cup finals.
10-11- Messed up his knee again and yet they are still a top 6 team in the league.
The guy has played maybe a 110 gamess the last 3yrs and they still continue to make the playoffs. Sorry i can hardly attribute their success to Andrei Markov
He is a great player however; he is not crucial to the success of the habs like say a chara or pronger are to their respective teams. I could say lidstrom as well but the fwds on that team back check so well that they could survive a period of time without him.
Lemieux owns Gretzky
Joel Bouchard had an interesting point at the begining of this season and he backed it up with some very solid stats that i'm trying to get my hands on, basicly he was saying the habs MVP since his arrival here has been Cammalleri, the stats were something to the effect of how Cammy goes is how the habs going, he showed every loseing streak the habs over the course of last season and this season, and showed that almost everytime the habs went into a slump Cammalleri step it up and going off on one of his scoring streaks and get the habs back in the win colum. I am really trying to find the stat spread Joel had it was insane , lituarally everytime the habs needed someone to get them going Cammalleri rose to the occaision he i think has taken Markov's place as Montreal game breaker... just look last night the habs dominated the entire second period but couldn't find the back of the net some on the pp Martin puts Cammalleri on the point for the remainder of a pp what happens? Richards has the puck at the line and Cammalleri does everything to strip him of the puck and then set up the habs first goal, No the habs do not need Markov anymore Cammalleri is the go to guy now
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Mario 66 |
Posted - 12/16/2010 : 08:46:43
Why is Markov all of sudden the crucial part to the habs season? The so called insurance to their success! Has everyone forgotten the guy has basically missed the last 3yrs due to various injuries.
08-09 he was a stud but then had an upperbody injury keep him out of the playoffs
09-10 - lascerated tendon first game of the season out more then half the season, then messed up his knee in the playoffs 1st game second round and they still nearly made the cup finals.
10-11- Messed up his knee again and yet they are still a top 6 team in the league.
The guy has played maybe a 110 gamess the last 3yrs and they still continue to make the playoffs. Sorry i can hardly attribute their success to Andrei Markov
He is a great player however; he is not crucial to the success of the habs like say a chara or pronger are to their respective teams. I could say lidstrom as well but the fwds on that team back check so well that they could survive a period of time without him.
Lemieux owns Gretzky |
| n/a |
Posted - 12/16/2010 : 06:34:10
Odin - it would be disingenuous to say that Montreal is ok without Markov when only talking about 24 games. Yes, Montreal's record has been absolutely stellar without Markov . . . but Price has been playing off his head, and the defence above theirs.
In my estimation, that cannot and will not last. I am not saying that Montreal won't make the playoffs . . . I think they will be there. But I predict that they will not be top three by the end of the year.
In the end, especially in the last half of the season when defences tighten up, I think they will really miss Markov - that's all.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 19:28:47
No way in H**L Plekanec is the second best two way player in the league Patsy not even top 5 but he is definitely an all star as you indicate as well as Camellari.
In my humble opinion Datsuyk, Zetterberg, Crosby, Getzlaf, Richards, Toews, St. Louis etc would all be better two way players if we are describing the best two way players as defensively accountable & offensively reliable.
Regardless of the fact i agree with your point completely that the habs have some definite all stars on the team and some real depth throughout their line up which will make them a legit contender. If Price goes on a streak like he did in the AHL a couple yrs ago maybe even a solid cup contender
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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 16:11:09
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Originally posted by The Duke
Pasty, how about Gomez for M.Komasarik....2 players neither team wants and both with lousy contracts. Funny thing is they can both probally help the other team.
You talk about Camm. with no help...what about P. Kessel ? talk about no support from your center.
i find Kessel and Cammy very very very similar players,,, and look both have little to no help and look they have pretty similar numbers no? i agree fully poor kessel is being robbed of 40 goal season playing with players who simply can;t keep up with him!..... Gomez i don't know what to do about,,,,,,,,,,,, at least with Markov out we are no longer up against the cap,,, I always liked Komisarek i was one that defended his all star selection a couple years back i really find it hard to believe he has fallen so far from grace!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| The Duke |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 14:40:56
Pasty, how about Gomez for M.Komasarik....2 players neither team wants and both with lousy contracts. Funny thing is they can both probally help the other team.
You talk about Camm. with no help...what about P. Kessel ? talk about no support from your center. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 12:30:12
Oh and lets not forget there are only 2 teams in the NHL who have yet to lose 3 games in a row.. the habs are one of them,,, granted i think tonight against the FLyers we just may lose the third!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 12:28:44
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Originally posted by slozo
That's weird . . . I thought for sure Pasty would post something about his beloved Habs after they clobbered the Leafs . . . oh, wait . . . 
I sincerely think there will be a fall in points for Montreal at some point here, mainly because of the loss of Markov. I truly think Montreal has been playing way over their head, and that they remain a marginal playoff team.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Mr. Slozo I think our problem is not a missing Markov our problem and why I believe (as i have said since day one) the habs will finish around sixth is Cammalleri is a one man line of the second. He is playing amazing he is creating so many chances he could easily have close to 35 points this year if he had a true top six player to play with. I love Travis Moen a terrifc 4th liner but Cammalleri cannot keep playing with him. I really mean it Cammalleri could have a tone more points but he is all alone. At least twice a game i watch Cammy set up Moen or Gomez so perfectly even I the career goalie could put it in the back of the net and neither of the two can finish, The lines have been juggled tonight it seems Cammalleri is going to at least be playing with Paciorrty (the AHL's leading scorer) hopfully this kid can give Cammy something to work with,
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Odin |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 11:56:01
Slozo, they have been playing w/o Markov for the better part of a year, so I'm not sure what affect he would have. It can actually be argued that when he came back is when the Habs had their worst games of the year. Gomez is overpaid, but it still hurts when he is out. I personally think its Martin's system that has been put in place as the reason for their success, and while they may have a slump, all teams do.
Price is back and the Habs have a solid balanced lineup. What I think is more likely is that the players they have that are underproducing will come around making the team even better. My feeling is that this team hasn't actually fired on all cylinders yet. |
| Guest7595 |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 08:59:49
YES. Git rid of Gomez, Markov gets healthy. THESE GUYS ARE THE REAL DEAL!!!!!! |
| n/a |
Posted - 12/15/2010 : 05:08:16
That's weird . . . I thought for sure Pasty would post something about his beloved Habs after they clobbered the Leafs . . . oh, wait . . .
I sincerely think there will be a fall in points for Montreal at some point here, mainly because of the loss of Markov. I truly think Montreal has been playing way over their head, and that they remain a marginal playoff team.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Yewcandoit |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 16:31:17
It would be crazy to see a Canadian playoff final
2010/11 Vancouver vs Montreal?
That would be epic.
Lots of Habs fans out west. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 16:08:33
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Originally posted by The Duke
Yes Alex i`m surely not rooting for Montreal Sat. night...but i don`t really hate any Canadian teams...Toronto being my favorite of course.
see if i had my way the eastern conferece standings every year would go Montreal first followed by Ottawa Toronto all making the playoffs , and winning 50 games each, same thing in the west.... my 6 favorite teams are the Canadian ones,, but god i love watching the habs beat the sens and the Leafs hahahah@@!!!!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| The Duke |
Posted - 12/07/2010 : 15:56:50
Yes Alex i`m surely not rooting for Montreal Sat. night...but i don`t really hate any Canadian teams...Toronto being my favorite of course.
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| chef |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 21:47:38
Marten & Muller have done a great job this far with the team . yes there are some teams in the east that pose a threat . The only ones that worry me is Boston & Philly. I think the Habs will surprise us . Hot Hand Carey Price!
Habs for the Cup |
| irvine |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 20:14:20
Les Canadiens de Montreal (SP?) are the "real deal", as I stated previously.
The Habs, play a team game concept. No one player, handles the entire game alone. They play as a unit. No player, is expected to win games alone. Which, I like. It's also proving to be successful.
The Canadiens do rely more on the defensive side of the game, as opposed to offensive. But, I like what they've done so far.
I credit Martin & Muller for this teams success, mostly. The coaching staff seems to have done a wonderful job having this team gel as a single unit, and not as a one-three man show.
I would like to see more scoring though, come from their top offensive players. Cammalleri, Gionta, Gomez, all need to step it up a bit in my opinion.
If this happens, which it should, this team may very well become a contender. At this moment, I don't have them pegged as a 'legit' cup contender. I see other teams, that impress me more.
But, I do see them as a legit playoff team.
Irvine/prez. |
| chef |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 17:41:00
Montreal will finish in the top 3 ,if price keeps playing solid which i think he will. If Cammalleri , Gomez and Ellar wake up that could also be dangerous for other teams. I know they don't have size but there speed can make up for it considering that there one of the fastest pace teams in the league with a tight defense! they have only allowed 11 goals out of 110 chances so far and there PP unit has moved up to 12th, so far so good.
I know it is wishfull thinking but, Make it # 25
Habs for the Cup! |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 15:38:28
quote:
Originally posted by The Duke
For Montreal`s sake when Price has a bad spell ( as all goalies do ) i hope the fans don`t boo him out of town and bring up Halak all over again. This behaviour can be devastating for a young goalie, his confidience may shatter.
Everything is fine now that the Canadians are winning but its a long season and things can change in a quick hurry sometimes. If Price does have a bad spell the fans have to support him until he rebounds....but will it happen.
[re: what's in bold]..... really? I assumed as a Leaf fan, that's EXACTLY what you'd want! |
| The Duke |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 14:29:00
For Montreal`s sake when Price has a bad spell ( as all goalies do ) i hope the fans don`t boo him out of town and bring up Halak all over again. This behaviour can be devastating for a young goalie, his confidience may shatter.
Everything is fine now that the Canadians are winning but its a long season and things can change in a quick hurry sometimes. If Price does have a bad spell the fans have to support him until he rebounds....but will it happen. |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 10:14:39
What I meant was, I don't follow the Habs so I didn't know if he stole games. |
| Odin |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 09:44:39
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Originally posted by ToXXiK1
Of course they're the real deal. Flooks go on mini streaks, win by luck and rely on goaltending only. Habs are well rounded in the scoring, the goaltending is strong but I don't know that it's won them games and a few players have yet to hit stride. As stated, all done without their powerhouse Dman.
Absolutely the goaltending has won them a few games. There have been times where Price is getting shelled but remained cool and calm while waiting for his teammates to find their legs. You can't have a GAA under 2.00 without stealing a few. But you are right in that some of their skaters have yet to hit their stride. But therw have also been some pleasant surprises such as AK46 eanring his paycheck. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 09:30:54
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Originally posted by Alex116
A little off topic, but didn't want to start a new thread....
Pasty, what's up with PK? I heard all the controversy Mike Richards brought on (also backed up by Don Cherry), but with his being a healthy scratch for two straight games, i'm wondering what's up? Heard his play got a little too "loose" and he was costing the Habs? Is this the case?
his last game before being scratched he was directly resposible for 2 goals including the game tying and game winning goals with very poor decision making, I think it was supposed to be just for 1 game but what happend was Weaber stepped in and played extremly well so you cannot take this kid out he is a good prospect with a lot of potential who is late in his developpment so if he is finally starting to build up some confidence in the bigs you cannot simply pull him out after a very good game. Subban isn't going to replace Gill Georges Hamirlik Spacek, so that leaves Picard who is a very subtle yet effective shut down d man, I think Martin just thought we beat the devils 5 -1 why mess with success,, i'm sure he will be back in soon,, It was just Martin giving the Rookie something to think about
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 09:21:46
A little off topic, but didn't want to start a new thread....
Pasty, what's up with PK? I heard all the controversy Mike Richards brought on (also backed up by Don Cherry), but with his being a healthy scratch for two straight games, i'm wondering what's up? Heard his play got a little too "loose" and he was costing the Habs? Is this the case? |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 09:10:56
Of course they're the real deal. Flooks go on mini streaks, win by luck and rely on goaltending only. Habs are well rounded in the scoring, the goaltending is strong but I don't know that it's won them games and a few players have yet to hit stride. As stated, all done without their powerhouse Dman. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/06/2010 : 08:05:22
with Markov out the team is weeker on d, but they have gotten to where they are without Markov so far this season, and now that he is out for the year they have almost 7.5 million in cap space so this team can concievably imporve adding a depth player or 2 or even an impact , we'll see what happens
"In 1962 I was named Minor League Player of the Year. It was my second season in the bigs." - Bob Uecker
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| Guest2289 |
Posted - 12/01/2010 : 17:16:38
I think Montreal has a strong team and will make the playoffs but their size, net presence will eliminate them again this year. As are my leafs their foward group are too small and can`t withstand the rough and tumble grind of a long playoff year.
I can`t see Price playing the way he is for the whole season, I believe he will have a rough time - sometime this season but will bounce back eventually. |
| Guest4223 |
Posted - 12/01/2010 : 11:10:54
Well, not sure what saome have been watching, but the Habs have been just fine without Markov considering he has only played 7 games. Will Price continue his remarkable play?
I think so, this is the real Price, back to where he was before he came back too soon to get into the allstar game with a screwed up ankle. They have balanced scoring, in other words not depending on one or two people, their powerplay is starting to come around, and yes, they are a defensive team, that's a good thing. At least Price is getting some offense this year |
| MrBoogedy |
Posted - 11/30/2010 : 21:27:54
Not only are they the real deal, I expect them to finish the season in 1st overall. They just keep getting better and better, Gionta is flying now, Cammalleri will pick his game up, Subban rocks.... Imagine a Montreal / St. Louis final, Halak vs price... oh hockey gods you must make this happen!~!!! |
| Oilearl |
Posted - 11/30/2010 : 20:28:17
They're a good team but I don't think they have the depth to compete with the top teams and will probably slip into the playoffs in 7th or 8th. Markovs injuries leave them with a huge hole to fill... kudos to Price on an excellent start though. |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/30/2010 : 04:46:52
Do I think Montreal is the "real deal"? Probably not.
Is Price playing well above the level I expected him to? Yes. Almost singlehandedly, I would say, Price has won Montreal at least a half dozen games this year.
Will Montreal be able to keep this up, with Markov out and the big guns still going at a very ho-hum pace? (Cammalleri, Gionta) Will they be able to keep it up with Markov out? Will Price continue his amazing play?
I don't think so.
So no, I don't think they are the real deal. I still think they are a marginal playoff team - one that is looking like it is in for sure at this point, but at 6th or 7th in the east, when all is said and done.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/30/2010 : 04:20:56
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Originally posted by Utemin
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Utemin
Eastern Standing Predictions
1.Washington
2.Philladelphia
3.Boston
4.Pittsburg
5.TampaBay
6.Ottawa
7.Montreal
8.Atlanta
Markov's injury will make them Crash and Burn, when he gets back they will be back on pace.
The Monkey is me
how do you figure? Markov has barely played at all this year and they are top 3 without him?
Pasty
Strong Start but a lot of teams in the east are getting all their injured players back (example Savard, Varlamov) causing the other teams to get better, while Montreal missing Markov is getting led by Cammalari. With no All-Star on the team I don't see how they will keep it up. If they stay top 3 good for them but I don't see them in any posistion besides 6,7,8,or 9.
The Monkey is me
No all star? have you herd of Thomas Plekanec ,, point per game probably the best 2 way play in the game right now behind Datsyuk, Camalleri is a trie All Star and hes only getting going, Brian Gionta mean anything to you? i mean really?
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| Guest6597 |
Posted - 11/29/2010 : 21:41:35
1...you guys really see Philly finishing 2nd ???
I think montreal will finish 3rd, but 4th in pts...pittsburgh having more pts in 4th position. And the habs can only get stronger. Cammalleri didnt start scoring, gomez didnt start playing and price wont break down; after all the years we waited for the guy, and he has stopped the drugs, he will be good and at top of his potential. |
| Utemin |
Posted - 11/29/2010 : 16:21:20
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Utemin
Eastern Standing Predictions
1.Washington
2.Philladelphia
3.Boston
4.Pittsburg
5.TampaBay
6.Ottawa
7.Montreal
8.Atlanta
Markov's injury will make them Crash and Burn, when he gets back they will be back on pace.
The Monkey is me
how do you figure? Markov has barely played at all this year and they are top 3 without him?
Pasty
Strong Start but a lot of teams in the east are getting all their injured players back (example Savard, Varlamov) causing the other teams to get better, while Montreal missing Markov is getting led by Cammalari. With no All-Star on the team I don't see how they will keep it up. If they stay top 3 good for them but I don't see them in any posistion besides 6,7,8,or 9.
The Monkey is me |
| irvine |
Posted - 11/29/2010 : 14:33:57
If the Canadiens can produce some goal scoring, I believe they can counted on as the real deal.
Right now, i find they are relying far too much on goaltending (Price) and their defense.
I'm unsure, but, in the games I have watched, scoring seems to be a little few and far between.
Irvine/prez. |
