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| semin-rules |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 14:13:57
I was reading on tsn and it said that J.S Giguere
was willing to waive his no trade clause If the maple leafs are looking to deal him before the trade deadline,
So my question is, if he DOES waive it, where do you think he would go?
As in, who would be interested in picking him
up or what would be a good fit for him? |
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 17:28:44
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Its funny Mike Brodeur's name shows up in here. Is he not the same goalie that got called up from the minors last yr stood on his head for about 5 games kind of like o i dont know Reimer maybe. Just to put in perspective as another member mentioned that maybe this excitement and hope in Reimer could be premature.
A couple of years ago, same thing with Schneider in VAN. Came up in injury relief, started a few games where he looked fantastic. Then, 2 blowouts brought him back down to earth, and they sent him back to the minors. Goalies are strange beasts, anything can happen. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 16:29:41
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Originally posted by The Duke
Mario isn`t Giguere playing over . 500 hockey this year ?? ( 9 wins and 7 losses ) On what is percieved to be a lousy hockey team ?? Looking at this fact, what kind of numbers would he have with a team like Detroit ??
Guest Seventy7Fifty2........Burke is by no means stuck with Giguere and Kaberle.....both are UFA`s at seasons end. Even if he does NOTHING with them, he will have 11 million in new $$$ and cap space to work with next season.....i certainly wouldn`t call this ...stuck with them, now Komasarik, well thats a diffrent story.
Seriously, how many times...... Overtime LOSS. It's still a loss!! You don't get to throw it out the window.
Giguere is 9-10, not .500.
And who cares about the $11 million dollars. In a matter of months the Leafs will not have a legitimate #1 goalie or a legitimate offensive defensemen. Oh, wait. You do have a offensive defensemen. He is on pace to get 1 goal, 18 points, and $6.5 million paycheck.
If I were Giguere I would ask to leave as well. Who wants to be part of a sinking ship??? |
| The Duke |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 16:25:00
Mario isn`t Giguere playing over . 500 hockey this year ?? ( 9 wins and 7 losses ) On what is percieved to be a lousy hockey team ?? Looking at this fact, what kind of numbers would he have with a team like Detroit ??
Guest Seventy7Fifty2........Burke is by no means stuck with Giguere and Kaberle.....both are UFA`s at seasons end. Even if he does NOTHING with them, he will have 11 million in new $$$ and cap space to work with next season.....i certainly wouldn`t call this ...stuck with them, now Komasarik, well thats a diffrent story. |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 09:57:22
Its funny Mike Brodeur's name shows up in here. Is he not the same goalie that got called up from the minors last yr stood on his head for about 5 games kind of like o i dont know Reimer maybe. Just to put in perspective as another member mentioned that maybe this excitement and hope in Reimer could be premature.
Some leaf fans are clearly overvaluing Gigeure. LA needs a goalie like Toronto needs more overpaid defenseman. Quick & Bernier are more then suitable not to mention young and talented something Gigy has kind of lost over the last couple of yrs all be it injuries have played a big part in that.
Philly needs Gigeure and for the cost of Van Riemsyduyk are you joking? 7 million aging goalie + another player for a 21 yr old kid who puts up points with 3rd and 4th line minutes not to mention Bobrovski doesn't seem to being so bad with Boucher giving him a break here and there. Maybe the leafs should ask the flyers for Bobrovski and send Gustavsoon their way to rectify a mistake Burke made last yr by bringing in the overhyped where is my net monster. I dont think i've ever seen a goalie more out of position on a regular basis. Ship him out and start fresh.
Gigeure is no longer a Conn Smythe winning goalie and unfortunately due to many injuries those days are over. I am sure teams are aware of this and Gigeure will end up staying put. Although expensive he cant hurt in helping Reimer develop if he indeed is going to be the real deal.
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 09:55:42
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people always forget about Ottawa when goalie issues is the topic. Ottawa has the worst goalie issues in the nhl. Mike brodeur and brian elliot. Giggy going there would make sense.
To what end though? He's UFA after this season, so if you get him its to help you this season with some goal. OTT is pretty far out of things now, I don't know if they can make a realistic shot at the post season. And if they want to, I don't think that Giggy is the guy to help them - he's the veteran goalie that would give the young starters a break when they need it, but in OTT he'd likely be the regular starter because as you say, OTT goalies are not getting it done. |
| Guest1747 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 09:27:49
people always forget about Ottawa when goalie issues is the topic. Ottawa has the worst goalie issues in the nhl. Mike brodeur and brian elliot. Giggy going there would make sense. |
| Seventy7Fifty2 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 05:48:01
No real interest will be shown for him.
Burke is stuck with him as he is stuck with Kaberle. |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 05:32:41
I would really like to see JS stay in TO. However, with the Leafs still in the middle of building their core of players it may make sense to trade Giggy. I think the Leafs are in a good position either way it goes.
Burkes plan is only roster players under 25 or picks so he will have to do some sort of "Rabbit out the hat" sort of deal to do this in my opinion.
Some ideas
Detroit - If Nabby does not clear waivers. Giggy is a huge upgrade or Osgood (who will be done til mar) and could solidify the net and a run to the cup for the Wings. Not much left in the farm for Detroit so picks might be up for grabs, perhaps Helm if the leafs throw in another player.
Philly - they want to shore up goaltending, it is the achillies heal in their system. Flyers are poised to make a return trip to the finals and a Conn Smythe wining goalie like Giggy who has been there is a huge bonus. Leafs would likely want JVR (Kessels linemate from the U18 US squad) but I can't see the Flyers giving him up without the Leafs adding signigicant value to the deal, say Kaberle
Those are the two teams I see really wanting a deal for goalie. But I would throw in LA, WASH, and PHO as possibilities. |
| Lunchbox |
Posted - 01/22/2011 : 03:21:12
I think it depends on how soon they think Reimer will be ready to go for more than a few games a season...I honestly don't know too much about his play besides the few games this year. How good are this kid's prospects right now? It seems that the "Goalie of the Future" tag is used a little prematurely sometimes, and who knows if he'll turn into another Pogge? He's played well, but the sample size is a bit too small for me.
Giggy has said that he'd like to stay in Toronto, but I don't know how long will he wait for a competitive team there. If the team really believes in the Monster and Reimer for next year, it might be worth a draft pick to send him at the deadline.
That being said, I can't think of too many teams that I'd be willing to bet on taking Giguere...nuxfan made a pretty good list so I will just give my thoughts on those teams.
DET - If the Nabokov deal hasn't gone through already, then this might be the best possibility, as obviously Detroit is looking for a veteran goaltender.
LA - As nuxfan said, a veteran presence might help here, but only if the price is right, as I cant see them keeping Giguere past this years playoff run, even if he was willing to re-sign.
SJ - The goaltending isn't great, but the real problem in San Jose seems to be their lack of scoring. The big three haven't been lighting it up, and a veteran goalie doesn't put the puck in the other net anymore than a young one does. I'd say this deal is a long-shot.
WAS - See LA. Two young goalies with potential...actually this is pretty much the situation in Toronto, too.
CHI - Honestly at this point, I think Giggy and Turco are a wash, so i don't see what Chicago would want to give up to get Giguere.
Finally, I'll add a couple...
TB - I know they just picked up Roloson, but if you look at it another way...they just picked up Roloson, so if they wanted a more proven and consistent tender going into a playoff run, this might be the answer.
TOR - Now that I think about it, the odds of Giguere staying put are pretty good. I think that Burke will shop Giggy around, but he seems to have a habit of overvaluing his players, and probably wont find any takers at the price he wants, as they will probably have the opportunity to sign him for next to nothing in the off-season.
So, I pick staying in Toronto, even though that's not really what the question was.  |
| Guest9006 |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 20:46:30
Im thinking the Leafs should keep him over the monster. Jiggy had played better and would be a good fit for a 50/50 split with reimer next year. |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/21/2011 : 03:14:34
All things being equal . . . I really hope they keep Giggy, at least for the remainder of this year. Management may have a different idea about that, but from what I have seen from teams like the Leafs in the past, with a goalie (Gustavsson) and now two emerging (Reimer) as our future, you want that solid veteran presence - to coach, to model afterward, and to provide that mental assurance.
Nothing de-rails a young and mentally fragile goalie like knowing that the pucks stops with them, and after that, there is no one. It's a pressure thing, and already coming into the NHL new is pressure enough for what is certainly the most mentally testing and strenuous NHL position by far.
It may not help the Leafs cap, but I hope they keep Giggy.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 14:34:06
Jiggy can't be worth much trade-wise. Its more of a dump for TOR than anything else, to make room for Reimer to come up.
< 3rd round pick next year. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 14:33:13
I'm not sure - who out there needs a goalie like Jiggy?
I''m thinking teams that are not doing as well as hoped at the beginning of the year, and are starting to see cracks in their starting goaltender situation, and want to address it for a run at the post-season. IMO, that list is:
- DET (although they look to be going after Nabby) - Howard has looked shaky for his last 7 or 8 starts, and Osgood is injured. They plan to go deep in the playoffs, and would likely want that veteran presence.
- LAK - they may want more veteran backup for a playoff run for Quick.
- SJ - Niemi and Nitty are not getting it done consistently in SJ, they may want a veteran presence
- WSH - Varlamov and Neuvirth have been inconsistent, and Varlamov is hurt
- CHI - long shot, but they can't be overly happy with Turco's play this year so far.
I think that Nabby would be preferable to Jiggy, so after he's landed, look for the 4 remaining to be interested. |
| Guest4271 |
Posted - 01/20/2011 : 14:26:11
Do you mean where would he go if he got to choose, or where do the Leafs have the opportunity to send him? Obviously with his option to waive the NTC, he's probably looking at contenders only...Maybe if the Nabokov thing falls through in Detroit, they go for Giggy...also would have been a good fit in TB, but apparently Roloson is their guy now.
Another interesting question is what do people think a (slightly) older goalie in the last year of a contract is worth? |
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