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| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/06/2011 : 10:06:30
Reports indicate that Forsberg has deemed himself healthy, and is ready to sign with the Avs for the remainder of the season.
They currently sit 12th in the west, 4 pts out of a playoff spot (yes, that is how crazy the west is right now - 10 points separate 4th and 14th). How does this affect the Avs chances? |
| 35 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/15/2011 : 12:42:34
the over-35 rule only applies to multi-year contracts |
| irvine |
Posted - 02/15/2011 : 12:22:55
Well, I have a question.
I was just thinking the other night, when I heard about him retiring... Since he is over 35, (currently 37), doesn't his contract continue to count against the Avs salary cap?
I believe, I could be wrong, that even retirement counts when a player signs over the age of 35. Now, I believe he signed for the league minimum, and pro-rated, but that still seems a hefty price for a team to have a player play all of what, two games?
Irvine/prez. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/15/2011 : 05:45:18
So, at the cost of his perfect record of having been a perfect plus player for every season he ever played, Forsberg retires as an NHLer for the Avalanche.
I guess it's a fair trade-off.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 02/14/2011 : 20:36:11
What a waste of a forum |
| irvine |
Posted - 02/14/2011 : 16:05:06
Yeah...
Quick indeed.
Irvine/prez. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/14/2011 : 10:15:24
well, that was quick! |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/14/2011 : 09:10:18
This is the only time he's every "retired" though. Too bad, i was looking forward to seeing him play down the stretch. I watched his first game back agaisnt CBJ and thought he played pretty well. |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 02/14/2011 : 08:57:01
Well, that's that, He's gonna hang 'em up.....again.
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=353836 |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 09:36:07
Mario - fair enough, I usually disregard guest postings that look like trolling. Certainly none of the regulars referred to him as a bum.
I have to agree with slozo - 37 is young by our non-professional-athlete standards, but when you're competing against 20-25 year old highly trained athletes on a daily basis, you're going to seem old. Trying to overextend yourself to keep up with someone younger and faster - thats how injuries happen.
Frankly, I don't know what his skill level is still like - playing for a couple of months out of 12 for a few years, things might have rusted up a bit. We'll see what happens when he comes back.
If he has a sub-par (by his standards) finish to the year, I think we might see him see the light and retire. If he finishes really strong (PPG), and shows no injuries, we might see him back full-time next season. |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/09/2011 : 04:41:03
Ok, Mario, I will give you some insight, talking as a 37 year old (yes, I am THAT old, lol).
I still play v-ball at a high level - I used to play division A for a club team, against the top universities and other club teams, the level just below provincial, two levels below professional. I was good, and can still play.
It takes a LOT out of you at 37 to still play. I play once or twice a week, and my knees hurt, my joints ache, and my ankles kill me, making it difficult to walk for about anhour afterward. I can only imagin as a preofessional athlete, with the increased activity, how much more pain and suffering my body would be going thruogh.
That is why when you look at a Chelios, it really is one of the most incredible accomplishments of our time, I reckon. In all sports, the level - the lowest level - of athleticism that these athletes have is head and shoulders above what the guys in the 70s had. You cannot even compare. It has been getting faster and faster, the guys are getting bigger . . . and you see less and less older players playing long, fruitful careers.
For Forsberg to come back at 37 is . . . well, amazing if he can even play at an NHL level again, seriously. Considering his greatness, but contrasting that with his chronic foot issues and other injuries . . . multiply that by age, and in my opinion, Foppa will be in a world of hurt. He might have one or two or three good games, with a week or two of injuries thrown in, and some hurting efforts in between.
I do not want to see that. I like my all time greats to go out with style and class, and I like them to know when to quit. Gretzky did it (reluctantly); Messier did it (also reluctantly); Sakic did it; Yzerman did it.
For a player that for me certainly ranks up there with the Yzermans and Sakics of history . . . I really would have liked it if Forsberg could have just accepted that his time was over. I get it that he is a real competitor, etc, loves the game . . . I see that, and I respect it. But as a fan, I really do wish he would go quietly into the night at this point, and I will be standing up clapping a few years later when he gets inducted in the HHOF.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 16:04:07
Nuxfan look up two post and see the glaring "send the bum home" shining in bright lights. Still care to argue no one referred too him as a bum  . I understand Slozo's arguement in regards to Forsberg that he does not want another high skilled player who just doesnt know when to call it quits.
Here's the thing what is 37 other then what the average man would call young and hopefully not showing any grey. Sure in sports yrs it may seem like an eternity but keep in mind it is a foot that hampered him not a breakdown his skill level. If indeed the foot is 90% healed as it will never be what it was then realistically the rest of Forsberg is much younger as he has played sparingly over the course of 4 yrs. Alot of times age catches up because the wear and tear of everyday practices and a long season take a greater toll on the body. He hasn't dealt with any such over work in a while just a lame boot. The way i look at it is if The Av's who are loaded with young talent and have been injury plagued for most of the season believe Forsberg's skill level will suffice then why would i doubt it?
Just remember "in youth we learn; in age we understand" what he may lack in his mobility today he will more then make up for with his vision & his hands.
Lemieux owns Gretzky |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 14:03:36
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So in all of his previous comebacks one foot an all Forsberg manages to average a steady ppg pace and some people believe he is a bum?
In all his previous comebacks he wasn't 37 . Age catches up with you eventually, it gets harder and harder to take 10 months off and then come back and be productive.
I don't think anyone referred to him as a "bum" per say, just that its unlikely he'll keep going at a PPG pace. COL have 29 games left, so he'd have to be nearly PPG to hit 25 points for the remainder of the season. We'll see. |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 13:32:42
So in all of his previous comebacks one foot an all Forsberg manages to average a steady ppg pace and some people believe he is a bum?
Ryan your statement about midseason form although not wrong is a moot point. Ya, players have their legs under them and rust is out of the equation but because of the battles from the first half of the season legs are begining to tire, bumps & bruises piling up more reason for a fresh Forsberg to come back now with what he believes a healthy body to play with and more space to work with as oppose to the first 20 games when everyone elses younger legs are fresh & ready to go.
Forsberg if healthy til the end of the season will finish with 25+ points. Forsberg's hands and vision alone will improve the av's pp and allow the big body prescence of Stewart to cause havoc infront of the net.
Lemieux owns Gretzky |
| Guest4446 |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 09:55:09
send the bum home |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 04:31:18
No hate-on for Forsberg at all . . . quite the opposite. I want him to retire peacefully, and let his legendary status not be tarnished by these soap-opera, in and out of the line-up constantly injured comebacks.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Lunchbox |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 01:00:53
I really don't understand the hate-on for Forsberg trying to give it one more go. First off, he probably has some good hockey left in him, even if it isnt 50 points in the last 30 games. I don't see anything wrong with him taking on a solid leadership role with second line minutes.
Secondly, he isn't pulling a Brett Favre, and retiring over and over. He's always said it was because of health, and now he thinks he's healthy enough to try it out, so he's back. I dont recall him ever saying that he was done forever.
Thirdly, what do the Avs have on the farm team? It was obviously up to the organization to sign him, not Forsberg forcing them to offer him a contract. So that means they feel they have a place for him. If the Avs traded for a top-six player, and had to demote someone, would that irritate you too? |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 22:26:42
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The thing is, is that for the last few times he has come back to the NHL it"s only the last 30 games of the season,meanwhile you got some descent talent on the farm team that are only starving for the chance to play an NHL game and prove themselves while busting there ass all season long in the AHL.That's what irritates me !!
If their talent on the farm team is so decent, why are they still on the farm team? The Avs aren't stupid, they'll field the best team that they can. They obviously think that Forsberg is better than what they have on the farm. |
| Guest0200 |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 21:44:01
To LEAFS 81
First off he is a very talented player. The thing is, is that for the last few times he has come back to the NHL it"s only the last 30 games of the season,meanwhile you got some descent talent on the farm team that are only starving for the chance to play an NHL game and prove themselves while busting there ass all season long in the AHL.That's what irritates me !!
Oh,I hope he strains his left nut and says (O ja,Ta var i helevde) theirs a little Swedish for you buddy Leafs 81!!!!!
LEAFS SUCK, LOL
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| Leafs81 |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 18:58:41
Why would a Comeback piss anybody off? He just wants to play. He was one of the best during his era. He was a dominant player and really good all around. One of my favourite for sure. I hope he makes a successful healthy comeback and brings the Avs to the playoffs so I can watch him play one more time.
Sure he wont ba as effective, if he plays well - good, if he sucks or gets injured again, well whatever it wont matter.
If it bothers you that much just don't watch him play. |
| Guest4606 |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 18:20:40
LOL sorry guys i would Take a Hurting Forsberg Over a Healthy Kessel any day of the week...
License plate say" Leafs suck for Ever" |
| Guest0200 |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 18:16:51
I don't know what the hype is with Forsberg,this guy shoudn"t be allowed to come back to the NHL he's had his chances ,there is nothing left for him to prove.It pisses me off that he can take off when ever he likes from the NHL and comeback when ever he wants.
Obviously it"s a desperate move on behalf of the Avalanche and will surely backfire ,just like it did with him in Philly and Nashville.
That bandaid should not even bother to unpack !!! Take the next boat back to Sweden ,since he prefers to play in the secondary league.
What a Joke! |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 17:49:34
Hejduk has been having a solid season. His points-per-game clip (0.98) is his best in 8 years. |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 14:36:46
Great that he's back, speaking of which....
HI, I'M BACK!!!!!
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 13:22:41
Just read that Forsberg is now having immigration problems and may be a little while figuring that out.
As for lightling a fire under Hejduk, he has 44 points in 45 games witch is the best ppg on the avs and second in team scoring. I dont think he is the play the avs need to get going.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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| n/a |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 09:57:41
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
Injured already, is he?
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2011.
Classic! 
Probably his foot.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| OILINONTARIO |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 08:57:10
Injured already, is he?
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2011. |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 06:11:09
Answered my own question...not expected to be in the lineup tonight. |
| ryan93 |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 06:03:42
I can't say I agree with you. If Forsberg still has the desire to compete at the NHL level, then he has to give it another chance. At his age this will almost certainly be his last shot.
Common sense tells me he won't be the dominant player he used to be. At his age, and not only having not plated in nearly a year, but joining when everyone else is in mid-season form...it won't be easy. Then again this Firsberg we're talking about, I'd never bet against the guy.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what he had left in the tank. So what's the word, will he be in the lineup tonight? |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 05:30:44
Say it ain't so. sigh
This man will not let go, and frankly, I am tired of it. I really wish he would just retire.
That being said . . . it's a move that will bring leadership, bring some PR pizzazz and buzz to the Avalanche, and may wake up players like Hejduk. Not a terrible move by them at all, but . . . I really, really wish Forsberg would just retire.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Lunchbox |
Posted - 02/07/2011 : 00:34:00
Forsberg might be just what the Avs need, if he can be even half as effective as his last return. He had 19 points in 12 games if I'm not mistaken, so a PPG pace might not be out of the question even now.
The Av's are 4 back of 8th with a game in hand, and also a few other tough teams in between, so if he stays healthy, Forsberg can only help down the stretch.
However, I heard a report that said inviting him to practices and offering the contract may just be a publicity manouver on the part of the Av's, as they've seen their attendance slip recently and Foppa is still a fan favourite in Denver. |
| Guest4606 |
Posted - 02/06/2011 : 22:00:17
Love to see him Back Maybe light a Fire under Hedjuk's azzzzzzzzzzzz.. |
| The Duke |
Posted - 02/06/2011 : 17:47:26
I`m not expecting much from Forsberg either Nuxfan, his better days are behind him. I really don`t know what Forsberg is trying to do by signing with the Av`s,,,some leadership maybe ?
Seems like the guy just doesn`t want to retire, he has had more comebacks than a breeding horse. 
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 02/06/2011 : 16:06:23
I'm also curious as to how he'll do - this is not like his last comeback, he hasn't played pro hockey for quite some time now, and he's getting old. I'm not expecting much. |
| Guest9904 |
Posted - 02/06/2011 : 15:58:05
Exactly right spade. Only players that have played in another professional league this season need to clear waivers after signing a contract with an nhl team. |
| spade632 |
Posted - 02/06/2011 : 14:27:40
I was just about to make a topic about this... great minds think alike or something
Anyhow, the latest is that Forsberg signed with the Avs for $1 million.
According to > http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=551808
He doesn't sound too confident about it though ...
"I'm 37 and those guys are 20, 25 and flying around me. Of course you’re going to be down because guys are fast and flying around you. I was a little down, thinking these guys are good, but the more I practice and the more I get to skate and the more I get to the tempo, it feels like maybe I can do it."
As an aside, I guess because he wasn't playing in a "professional" league this year that means he doesn't have to clear waivers like Nabokov did?
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