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| Guest7752 |
Posted - 03/02/2011 : 15:11:21
With the Leafs, and in the last 5 years plus this season so far, Kaberle has amassed 42 goals and 204 assists in 435 games he played in. That’s an average of over 0.5 points per game. Most forwards would love these ppg numbers.
In this time, and in each subsequent year, he averaged 0.8 ppg, 0.8 ppg, 0.6 ppg, 0.5 ppg, 0.6 ppg. He had 0.6 ppg this season while with the Leafs.
This was a #1 D-man on the team, used on 5-on-5 situations as well as power-plays and p-kills. AND the Leaf teams over this time span were not the greatest.
Did he shine because he was the actual one of only few decent players on these so-so teams, and hence was he over-rated? I’ll even say over-rated especially by Burke since he wanted the world for Kaberle, and took way too long to make the trade.
He’s got 1 assist with Bruins in 5 games, playing mainly as #2 D-Man on the team, but under probably same playing conditions as he had with Leafs. AND the Bruins DO HAVE a real strong team. Is his shine less than most, especially Burke think? Shouldn't he be accumulating more points than ever with the Bruins?
We can’t use the excuse of him “learning” things on the new team, stats show that newly traded players tend to gain lots of momentum and points during the first games played with new teams.
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| Guest2758 |
Posted - 07/05/2011 : 17:14:42
In the end he signed for about the same as what he was getting in Toronto. We will see how he does with the Canes but whether he is overated or not he is a Stanley cup champ and thats something alot of players on Toronto never will be. |
| Oilearl |
Posted - 06/24/2011 : 21:32:54
His name is on the cup and he withstood the pain, fatigue and pressure of 4 rounds of playoff hockey to get it there!! Overrated is moot now instead of bashing him I congratulate him on his accomplishment! Every player on the team contributes in to the win, he is a Bruins stanley cup champion now and forever.
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| TheRC |
Posted - 06/24/2011 : 20:56:37
As a Leaf fan who has seen a hell of a lot of Kaberle over the years, it didn't seem to me like he played his absolute best hockey in the playoffs, but his performance in the final was decent.
Oddly enough, I think the other members of the Bruins must have seen something from him that most of us watching on TV missed; Kabby was handed the Cup right after the captain Chara and the obvious first-in-lines like Thomas and Recchi. Did anybody else find that a bit odd?
"If at first you don't succeed, you fail" |
| Utemin |
Posted - 06/24/2011 : 18:48:29
slightly over-rated offensivley, extremely under-rated dfensvly.
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful |
| Guest4086 |
Posted - 06/24/2011 : 10:26:20
Boston made the trade for Kaberle with the goal in mind to win the Cup this year. they accomplished that. so if the question is "did Boston pay too much for Kaberle?", the answer is No, most definitely not. they won the Cup. there is no other arguement there. even if they don't re-sign him. it makes no difference.
is he over-rated? well that's a bit of an odd question. over rated compared to what? i agree with Beans. scouting reports on him right from day 1 of his career show him as a good offensive d-man with excellent puck handling skills, and a solid PP quarterback. but at the same time weak in his own end, and not a physical type defensive player. Boston knew that when they made the trade for him, so it's not as if they were expecting something more. so is it, do the scouts over rate him? i don't think so. he is what they say he is. it's only because he went on a Cup run with Boston and his "skills" were broadcast to a wider TV audience, and he's open to more critiques from people who aren't used to seeing him on a regular basis. |
| andyhack |
Posted - 06/24/2011 : 08:45:30
He got better as the playoffs went along, particularly in the finals. That says something about his character as he was under a lot of fire.
And he certainly did, at times, help with getting the puck out of the zone smoothly, and made some nice passes, etc.
Having said that, in my opinion there was, and still is, some justification for the fire. EVEN putting aside the really poor defensive errors he made (on the basis that we all knew he wasn't great in that area of the game), his offensive production was just "okay" and for the first part of the playoffs anyway, he actually hurt the PP rather than help it in my view due to his lack of shooting (and the ability of the PK guys to better defend knowing he was never going to shoot).
Maybe you can argue that his offence was "pretty good" (playoff numbers would come out to close to 40 assists if same pace over a full season) but it certainly was NOT "very good". So it depends where you "rated" him I guess. Personally I thought at least "good" solid offensive production and improvement to the PP were two basic "gimmes" that the Bs were getting with the guy, and as those things arguably didn't come, I think I have to still answer the question "YES, HE IS OVER-RATED".
BUT, and this is my main point here, it is the wrong question now! The question now should be "Could the Bruins have won the Cup without him?" or "Would they have won the Cup with Kampfer in his spot?" My guess on those questions is that, even with all his faults, the PP crap (which did get better in the finals THANKFULLY!) and even with possibly being over-rated, Kaberle helped the Bruins win a Cup that may not have been won with Kampfer in his place. I have nothing against Kampfer by the way, but there are added dimensions with Kaberle that may have helped the Bs to the Cup.
* "Bs to the Cup" I still can't quite believe it!
Anyway, this is a tough one - an unlucky bounce against the Bs in any of the Game 7s would have us thinking oh so differently about it now. But instead they get the bounces, and now we just have to ask the "But for no Kaberle..." question. Life is indeed funny! |
| Guest0026 |
Posted - 06/23/2011 : 12:17:47
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Originally posted by Beans15
The rules are what the rules are. I would suggest that although Savard was a key piece to the Bruins in the past, the handful of games he played this year had little impact on the Bruins success. Furthermore, I would suggest that Kaberle had more impact on the Bruins winning the Cup than Savard did. So I don't understand that comment.
Secondly, I did watch a lot of the Bruins in the playoffs. I watched Kaberle and I watched a player who moved the puck very well. I watche him QB the power play well and move the puck laterally as good as any player in the series. I also watched him play average to below average defensively and occasionally turn the puck over in his own end.
Is that not what the MO of Kaberle has been since day one?? How can he be over-rated when he does the same things all the time??
having his name on the cup and not having savrd's name on the cup makes kabrle over rated to me |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 06/23/2011 : 09:45:11
The rules are what the rules are. I would suggest that although Savard was a key piece to the Bruins in the past, the handful of games he played this year had little impact on the Bruins success. Furthermore, I would suggest that Kaberle had more impact on the Bruins winning the Cup than Savard did. So I don't understand that comment.
Secondly, I did watch a lot of the Bruins in the playoffs. I watched Kaberle and I watched a player who moved the puck very well. I watche him QB the power play well and move the puck laterally as good as any player in the series. I also watched him play average to below average defensively and occasionally turn the puck over in his own end.
Is that not what the MO of Kaberle has been since day one?? How can he be over-rated when he does the same things all the time?? |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 06/23/2011 : 09:36:45
Based on the (4) series Boston played in the playoffs, Kaberle caused more damage in any game than support.
He's got his name on the cup - that's about it, and probably right along side Steven Kampfer's name!!! Both equally contributed in the (4) playoff series....
For those that don't agree, go watch the four series, or go watch them again.
So yes, he proven he's even more over-rated than ever.
By the way, how proud of this accomplishment can he (or those suporting him) really be knowing that Marc Savard may not get his name on the cup? |
| Guest2776 |
Posted - 06/22/2011 : 13:41:40
Im a Bruin fan and there is no doubt Kaberle played a great 3 or 4 defenceman role for the team. I guess the question is did they severly overpay if thats the role they envisioned for him or did his play dictate thats where he was sloted.
I personally will wait to see if he resigns with the team, then I can accuratelly express my feelings. Anyway we won the cup so I guess it was the right trade. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 06/22/2011 : 06:46:36
I have a strange feeling, those calling him over rated will not have changed their views. I don't think his playoff performance will have changed that. Trust me, they'll be on here soon  . |
| BucketHead |
Posted - 06/21/2011 : 23:33:27
Love how many ppl were s***ting on T. Kaberle, Then he goes and helps them win the cup, |
| Guest4200 |
Posted - 06/21/2011 : 20:06:10
quote:
Originally posted by Guest7752
With the Leafs, and in the last 5 years plus this season so far, Kaberle has amassed 42 goals and 204 assists in 435 games he played in. That’s an average of over 0.5 points per game. Most forwards would love these ppg numbers.
In this time, and in each subsequent year, he averaged 0.8 ppg, 0.8 ppg, 0.6 ppg, 0.5 ppg, 0.6 ppg. He had 0.6 ppg this season while with the Leafs.
This was a #1 D-man on the team, used on 5-on-5 situations as well as power-plays and p-kills. AND the Leaf teams over this time span were not the greatest.
Did he shine because he was the actual one of only few decent players on these so-so teams, and hence was he over-rated? I’ll even say over-rated especially by Burke since he wanted the world for Kaberle, and took way too long to make the trade.
He’s got 1 assist with Bruins in 5 games, playing mainly as #2 D-Man on the team, but under probably same playing conditions as he had with Leafs. AND the Bruins DO HAVE a real strong team. Is his shine less than most, especially Burke think? Shouldn't he be accumulating more points than ever with the Bruins?
We can’t use the excuse of him “learning” things on the new team, stats show that newly traded players tend to gain lots of momentum and points during the first games played with new teams.
Hmm wonder if all those who were so negative on this trade still consider this a bad trade and that Kaberle is over rated?
Let's see led all defencemen in points in the playoffs. Wins the Cup. yup. Over rated.
Remind me again why this was such a bad trade for Boston considering the first round pick is the the last pick of the first round or a first pick of the second round. Stil want to argue that it is still a first round pick. Go ahead argue to the semantics your hearts content.
I hear crow has a terrible after taste. |
| Guest4271 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 20:32:30
He needs to shoot the damn puck.........or else get him OFF the powerplay and put Horton back there to shoot if Chara is going to play in front of the net.
Better yet, send back to TO for a bag of practice pucks, LMAO |
| Guest8777 |
Posted - 05/30/2011 : 21:32:48
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Originally posted by The Duke
[I don`t like players like Semin, Backstrom, Kovalev, Zherdev, Jokinen, ....etc...you see where i`m going. Even the Sedin twins aren`t exactly pushing the Canucks deep into the playoffs, they can thank R.Kesler and Burrow type players for that.
On my playoff team, give me a M. Richards, C.Perry, R. Getzlaf, M. St.Louis, M.Lucic, D.Buff... anyday over these non - aggressive pretty boys.
Wow.....a little anit-European aren't we? Sounds like the same crap Don Cherry gets on with.
I'm guessing you also wouldnt want guys like Franzen, Datsyuk, Zetterberg (just about anybody on Detroit), Ovechkin, Selanne, Malkin and Chara either.
I wonder if Kaberle had a different last name if he would get the same amount of criticism?
And if you are looking at points, Henrik is leading by the way. |
| Guest8777 |
Posted - 05/30/2011 : 21:27:50
quote:
Originally posted by The Duke
Beans you tell me that i write some foolishness sometimes !!!!! I enjoy a lot of your posts and agree with the majority of what you write.
Guest 7752 makes very valid points againist your kaberle analysis, and its 100 % true what he wrote and you come back with some jibberish about what you learned in grade school. He is right....Boston is a winning team, they don`t need kaberles soft play.
Earlier on in this forum everyone said i contradicted myself when i wrote i don`t like kaberle but said Burke will get a great return for him. Yes, i agree this reads like a contradicting statement.
I really do not and never did like kaberle ( i also know other leaf fans who can`t stand kaberle )...but...i know some more leaf fans who love kaberle, i see some hockey analysist who constantly praise kaberle. This is the reason i wrote Burke would get a great return for kaberle, not for what i saw in him ....but for what other people ( for whatever reason, we all have an opinion ) saw in him.
Thers lots of guys in the league like kaberle, they put up great numbers in the regular season but come playoff time...when the goin gets rough....where are they ??
In kaberles case, the numbers are fine, great maybe. Thats not my problem with him, its his defensive play...the hitting, grinding, soft play ( especially in front of his net ), brutal.
I don`t like players like Semin, Backstrom, Kovalev, Zherdev, Jokinen, ....etc...you see where i`m going. Even the Sedin twins aren`t exactly pushing the Canucks deep into the playoffs, they can thank R.Kesler and Burrow type players for that.
On my playoff team, give me a M. Richards, C.Perry, R. Getzlaf, M. St.Louis, M.Lucic, D.Buff... anyday over these non - aggressive pretty boys.
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 05/30/2011 : 09:29:38
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Here's the most shocking thing i've seen regarding Kaberle. This is the B's dmen TOI from game 7 the other night:
Its not overly shocking given that there were no PP's for either side in the game, and Kaberle is not a defensive shutdown specialist. In a tie or 1 goal game, I would expect to see a lot of Chara and Siedenberg. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 05/30/2011 : 09:04:36
I dunno what's up with Kaberle and whether or not an injury has any affect on what's happening, but let's face it, he has NOT lived up to expectations. Some wanna see this as he's "over rated" and others tend to lean towards the fact he just hasn't fit in well in Boston. Either way, they gave up A LOT to get him, and he's not paying dividends. However, the Bruins are in the finals and even if they don't win, the team has made a ton of money on home games getting this far and they have at least 2 more.
Here's the most shocking thing i've seen regarding Kaberle. This is the B's dmen TOI from game 7 the other night:
Seidenberg 27:57
Chara 26:44
Ference 20:10
Boychuk 18:35
McQuaid 13:28
Kaberle 13:06
He's definitely not playing at a level anywhere close to what Boston expected when they gave up as much as they did to get him!!! |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 05/30/2011 : 05:50:31
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Originally posted by Alex116
Porkchop, et al...
The only problem i see is that apparently the Bruins got him to improve their PP and it's done nothing but STINK since.
Myself, i still think he's doing pretty good overall but if in fact he was brought in for the PP as a #1 objective, he's failing! There's no denying that!
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't Chara and Seidenberg the #1 PP defence pair. I am sure that Boston did not pick up Kaberle solely for PP improvement. Although the common thought would be that Kaberle would help quarterback the PP, I think the real reason was that Boston wanted Kaberle was they lacked a skilled puck moving defenceman. Many of the hockey experts blamed their exit from the playoffs last year on their poor breakout from their own zone. Something Kaberle has exelled at throughout his career and as I watch him, he is still doing very well with the Bruins. I am not going to say that Kaberle is the reason they made it to the cup this year, but he has brought a dimension to the Bruins that they lacked last year and that could be the difference, for the Bruins, in getting to the finals and making an early exit.
Again just my opinion but I don't think Kaberle would be taking the knocks if he had been traded from, lets say, Florida. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 05/29/2011 : 21:29:35
Porkchop, et al...
The only problem i see is that apparently the Bruins got him to improve their PP and it's done nothing but STINK since.
Myself, i still think he's doing pretty good overall but if in fact he was brought in for the PP as a #1 objective, he's failing! There's no denying that! |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 05/29/2011 : 10:44:53
OK, everyone knows that Kaberle has never been the best defensive defencemen. That was the big knock on him in TO, soft defensive zone play. Did everyone all of sudden think a trade to Boston was going to make him a Nik Lidstrom? Come on!
From what I see, Kaberle is still doing exactly what Boston wanted. A defenseman that starts the rush out of the zone with confidence and gets the offense started. A clean first pass, or carrying the puck is what Kaberle as done very well over his career. Some even say he is one of the top defensemen in the league at doing so.
The man only has somewhere around 50 some odd career goals, i think, so do not expect him to be lighting the red light, but as the playoff stats show, he is creeping into the lead for Bruins D in playoff points. So either he is doing alright or every single other Bruins Dman is overrated as well.
Somehow me thinks he is only taking his knocks because of the hype coming from trading him out of TO.
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| Guest4730 |
Posted - 05/29/2011 : 06:08:49
quote:
Originally posted by Guest2773
Well he has played like crap but the only consolation is that Boston will only be giving up a 30th overall pick which is basically a 2nd rounder. However that is even too much considering the way he has played for them. Maybe he redeems himself in the finals.
His play doesn't seem that great a few games but perhaps there is an injury that is not publicly known.
But statistically right now, 0G 8A tied with Seidenberg for the B's defense in points. He is also +7 with only 4 minutes of penalty. So what is the problem with Kaberle's performance in the playoffs in the overall picture (not just a bad moment in a game(s))?
What does he need to do to redeem himself? |
| Guest2773 |
Posted - 05/28/2011 : 07:35:32
Well he has played like crap but the only consolation is that Boston will only be giving up a 30th overall pick which is basically a 2nd rounder. However that is even too much considering the way he has played for them. Maybe he redeems himself in the finals. |
| andyhack |
Posted - 05/10/2011 : 22:38:30
Mixed feelings on this one.
Kabby is even worse defensively than I thought, and I didn’t think he was good, and not as good offensively, at least not so far anyway. This is NOT a good combination! 
Having said that, he has had some solid moments and made some decent contributions at times, AND, the Bs are about as in the hunt right now as they have been since Ulfie "terminated" Cam’s knee back in ’91, so getting Kabby cannot quite be considered a “huge failure” at this point, I think.
BUT, since the price for him was actually quite steep, the problem is that, unless the Bs either win the cup (in which case my face looks like this for the next 47 years ) or he performs extremely well over the remainder of the playoffs in a losing cause, the acquisition of Kabby likely will have to be considered a “huge failure” indeed.
Either way, I do think it is fair to criticize Peter C. a bit here as if you're going to do the "short-term rental for a chance at the Cup at a steep cost" thing, you might want to do it with a bit better bet than Kabby.
p.s. I SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO want to eat these last words by sipping clam chowdaaaaa out of the cup after some tremendous play by Kabby in the weeks to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO KABBY! GO BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| n/a |
Posted - 05/09/2011 : 10:48:57
Well,
Sometimes one player can help a power play out all on his own, but it's rare. For one to expect a defenceman to do this is even more of a stretch.
An offensive defenceman usually gets about half his points on the pp, sometimes more. An offensive defenceman who is traded to a team with a terrible power play (albeit a pretty good team) will see his numbers dip.
Boston's power play was never the same after Savard left the lineup, and it just took a while for that effect to be felt.
All that being said, I do think Kaberle has still underperformed a bit in Boston, sure . . . but I certainly don't think he's been an utter failure either. Boston has a totally different system than Toronto had; and a comfort level on a new team does come a lot slower for a new d-man than for a forward. And . . . Kabby is not getting any younger either.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 05/09/2011 : 10:12:14
Briefly skimmed through them, but did not read yours, which I now did further up about only concerning the playoffs.
I can agree from solely a playoff perspective, but they are winning & half the playoffs to go so even then really only time will tell how productive he will or can be. Beyond the first two games of the habs series you really haven't heard his name mentioned much & typically from a defensive perspective if your not hearing about them then they are doing their job. Kaberle just happens to be not tearing up the score sheet, which fans are accustomed to, but with that said beyond the PP the Bruins don't really count on their D for much offensive production; rather stability & allowing Thomas to see the puck.
Time will tell how productive & benficial of an acquistion he really was, but by no means does he completely suck as some have mentioned.
In youth we learn; in age we understand |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 05/09/2011 : 09:07:53
quote:
Originally posted by Mario 66
Patience is a wonderful thing & as long as the Bruins are winning they will continue to be patient & hope Kaberle picks up his overall game to what they expect. Until then hold in your loads and come back half way through next yr & discuss if Kaberle's play is still anemic or if all your feet will be in your mouth; as he plays at an elite level that he has shown over the course of the last 10yrs.
In youth we learn; in age we understand
Hence my post that started this:
"To those who posted "[b]let's wait and see his worth during the playoffs..."[/b]"
This is where Beans' reading skills demonstrate he is not winning.
(and possibly your too, but I'll assume you haven't been keeping up with previous posts) |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 05/09/2011 : 08:48:33
Beans & I have been at each other's throat before, but this time some of your arguements have me completely dumb founded. How some of your are attempting to throw him under the bus for responding to your comments in the same acriminous / cantankerous way you where with his is beyond me.
Dion Phaneuf finally producing for two months after about 3 yrs of being Inept & anemic and every one is prepared for him to be the next Scott Stevens like he was originally touted & Kaberle after 10 yrs of quality hockey now sucks after two months of inefficency? Anybody else see a problem with these mindsets?
If many of you are the superstars in your work place & then get a new job or new position is there not a transition period where you adjust to the new job & all it entails?? Hmmmm I don't know maybe the way Kaberle would have to adjust to a new pp set up, a new team philosophy, etc. It simply amazes me how quick we are to write somebody off when they start to drop off, but we are so optimistic & patient with a player & people when they show flashes of brilliance.
No, Kaberle offensively has not been the dynamic player the Bruins had hoped for, but Thomas sucked the hind tit last yr & Seguin did not come in and tear the league apart as they had hoped as well? Should they have disposed of Thomas before the season & send the other two back to Toronto because they have not been what they anticipated?? Ian White was minus 7000 earlier this yr & now he has been a solid rock in SJ.
Patience is a wonderful thing & as long as the Bruins are winning they will continue to be patient & hope Kaberle picks up his overall game to what they expect. Until then hold in your loads and come back half way through next yr & discuss if Kaberle's play is still anemic or if all your feet will be in your mouth; as he plays at an elite level that he has shown over the course of the last 10yrs.
In youth we learn; in age we understand |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/09/2011 : 08:15:11
Does anyone thinks for a second that Boston has a concern with anyone's stats??? What about winning??? The Cup doesn't have the scoring leader or the winning teams power play % etched on it. Kaberle has only one less point taht Chara, but know one is saying he is over-rated, are they??
No doubt about it, Kaberle's recent play is going to impact his pocketbook in about 2 months. Be it with Boston or some other team. But the bottom line is Winning is the only thing that matters. If Boston wins the Cup, every decision they made this year was right. Every single one. |
| The Duke |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 20:14:21
Yes Beans kaberle has produced big numbers in the past, stats don`t lie. What is he producing right now ? Boston is more concerned with his present and future stats than his past stats.
Kaberle`s earlier career numbers aren`t helping the Bruins today.
Boston`s powerplay is simply brutal since the insertion of kaberle....as was Toronto`s...for the past 10 - 12 seasons. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 14:11:48
Like I said, I give what I get. I hear all this crap about how bad Kaberle is and how over-rated he is, I bring some very tangile arguments to the table (production over the past 5 seasons on a very poor team) and I hear nothing back. Then, over a short period of time and Kaberle does not produce and all the nay-sayers come out of the woodwork. But still, no one has an argument on how such an over-rated, garbage player can produce more than just about any other defensemen in the league on the worst PP over the same amount of time.
You are right, there is nothing left to say.
WINNING!!!! |
| Seventy7Fifty2 |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 12:19:57
Job job - well done, very intelligent responses with very intelligent facts you put out there...
nohing more one can say |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 06:14:44
Hey 7752, me, Charlie Sheen, Boston, and now Tomas Kaberle all have one things in common.
WINNING!!!!
I can read and understand english just fine. If someone wants to throw complete rubbish comments(such as Kaberle is the Failure - not the Bruins... I guess English was not your favorite subject in school) at an arguement rather than rebut with something intelligent and tangible, than they will get the same in return.
I guess I am not the only who who never participated in debates???? Oh, wait. I did participate in debates. But I Charlie Sheen'd them all!!
WINNING!!!!!! |
| Seventy7Fifty2 |
Posted - 05/07/2011 : 17:57:09
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Nope, my favorite subject was winning. I got straight A's in that subject. Reason being is that I realized at a young age that a TEAM wins and individuals lose. I also learned at a young age that the contributing to a team means more than the numbers that you put up.
What do your comments have to do with Kaberle being over-rated? Wow... you must have never participated in any debates in your winning school.
I suggest you brush up on your reading and English skills, AND that you stop listening to Charlie Sheen. |
| The Duke |
Posted - 05/07/2011 : 09:48:59
Beans you tell me that i write some foolishness sometimes !!!!! I enjoy a lot of your posts and agree with the majority of what you write.
Guest 7752 makes very valid points againist your kaberle analysis, and its 100 % true what he wrote and you come back with some jibberish about what you learned in grade school. He is right....Boston is a winning team, they don`t need kaberles soft play.
Earlier on in this forum everyone said i contradicted myself when i wrote i don`t like kaberle but said Burke will get a great return for him. Yes, i agree this reads like a contradicting statement.
I really do not and never did like kaberle ( i also know other leaf fans who can`t stand kaberle )...but...i know some more leaf fans who love kaberle, i see some hockey analysist who constantly praise kaberle. This is the reason i wrote Burke would get a great return for kaberle, not for what i saw in him ....but for what other people ( for whatever reason, we all have an opinion ) saw in him.
Thers lots of guys in the league like kaberle, they put up great numbers in the regular season but come playoff time...when the goin gets rough....where are they ??
In kaberles case, the numbers are fine, great maybe. Thats not my problem with him, its his defensive play...the hitting, grinding, soft play ( especially in front of his net ), brutal.
I don`t like players like Semin, Backstrom, Kovalev, Zherdev, Jokinen, ....etc...you see where i`m going. Even the Sedin twins aren`t exactly pushing the Canucks deep into the playoffs, they can thank R.Kesler and Burrow type players for that.
On my playoff team, give me a M. Richards, C.Perry, R. Getzlaf, M. St.Louis, M.Lucic, D.Buff... anyday over these non - aggressive pretty boys. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/06/2011 : 12:08:40
Nope, my favorite subject was winning. I got straight A's in that subject. Reason being is that I realized at a young age that a TEAM wins and individuals lose. I also learned at a young age that the contributing to a team means more than the numbers that you put up. |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 05/06/2011 : 11:21:43
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Yeah, huge failure. They are one game from the East Final. Can believe what kind of failure that would be. If they go to the Cup, is that a failure too??? Heck, if they win the Cup, that must be the biggest Epic Fail in the history of hockey.
Yep, the truth does hurt.
Kaberle is the Failure - not the Bruins... I guess English was not your favorite subject in school |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/05/2011 : 17:52:07
Yeah, huge failure. They are one game from the East Final. Can believe what kind of failure that would be. If they go to the Cup, is that a failure too??? Heck, if they win the Cup, that must be the biggest Epic Fail in the history of hockey.
Yep, the truth does hurt.
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| Seventy7Fifty2 |
Posted - 05/05/2011 : 17:43:51
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Seventy7Fifty2
To those who posted "let's wait and see his worth during the playoffs..."
YEP - he's WAY over-rated.
The Sedin's are not playing as well as they did in the regular season either, are they over rated?? Luongo, a Vezina trophy finalist was pulled twice in the first series and didn't start game 6, is he over-rated?? What about Backstrom and Semin from Washington, them too??
What, exactly, is the argument that Tomas Kaberle is on of the top 3 most prolific defensemen for PP points since the lock out on a team with the worst PP in the league??
How does that work????
Ignorance is bliss isn't it.
You're right.... but don't be too hard on yourself.
The Sedin's have been in Vancouver for a while - they literaly BROUGHT the team to where they are today
Luongo - same story
Backstrom / Semin - Washington would not even be playing in playoffs year after year without these too.
But as for Kaberle - he was brought in to Boston to help them get over the hump and be their go to guy on the Blue Line and PP's.... He did nothing to bring the B's to where they are today. Huge Failure i guess - what is their percentage on PP so far in playoffs??....
But don't be too hard on yourself... ignorant is a strong word to label oneself... just cause you don't know how these things work
Maybe you're just overreacting a little cause the truth hurts? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 05/04/2011 : 19:41:52
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Originally posted by Seventy7Fifty2
To those who posted "let's wait and see his worth during the playoffs..."
YEP - he's WAY over-rated.
The Sedin's are not playing as well as they did in the regular season either, are they over rated?? Luongo, a Vezina trophy finalist was pulled twice in the first series and didn't start game 6, is he over-rated?? What about Backstrom and Semin from Washington, them too??
What, exactly, is the argument that Tomas Kaberle is on of the top 3 most prolific defensemen for PP points since the lock out on a team with the worst PP in the league??
How does that work????
Ignorance is bliss isn't it. |
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