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| spade632 |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 12:20:25
If you haven't seen it > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly8wHWUVfYs
Gillies came back after serving a nine-game suspension for hitting and punching Tangradi in the Isles/Pens game on Feb 11th and promptly drove Clutterbuck's head into boards following his hit on DiBenedetto.
He's booked for an "in-person" meeting with the NHL which presumably means he gets at least 5 games.
Two questions I guess:
1) Given it was his first game back from a nine-game suspension what do you think he should get as far as a suspension? - should he get more or less than the 9 games he got for the Tangradi incident?
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2) More broadly, what does the NHL / NHLPA need to do to get this kind of crap out of the game? ("Crap" includes, but is not limited to - hits to the head, late hits , blindsides, etc..)
Edit: Just for the record
Gillies' total TOI this season : ~95mins (based on 2:52 TOI/Game)
Gillies' Total PIM - 124.
Edit2:
Clutterbuck's hit, clearly from behind, deserves more than it got (2mins for boarding). |
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 03/06/2011 : 18:05:11
I agree with Beans, this Sahis clown is simply a troll who decided to sign up. Be done with him. If no one replies to any of his garbage, he'll eventually go away. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/06/2011 : 13:34:48
Why even try?? This is the same guy who took 6 months to realize that the head and the neck are 2 different locations on the body.
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS!!! |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 03/06/2011 : 11:34:04
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his arm didn't do the damage, his glove makes contact, but his shoulder pushed him into the boards. the glove barely brushes him
OK, look at the slow motion replay from the 0:06-0:09 mark, this is a good slowmo replay of the entire hit. The sequence goes:
- Gilles comes in facing the glass, both arms raised (not from the side shoulder first).
- both forearms/hands/gloves hit Clutterbuck in the head, propelling his head backwards into the glass
- Clutterbuck's head hits the glass, falls down, Gilles moves backwards.
Sahis - at NO POINT does the shoulder of Gilles make contact with the shoulder of Clutterbuck. At NO POINT is Gilles anything other than facing the glass, which makes it impossible to hit shoulder-to-shoulder from the side. It is as clear a head shot as you will ever see. You really don't see that? |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 21:25:08
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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Ok, I don't see how you see gilles touch clutterbucks head, I think your looking at clutterbucks hit on the other islander player, Thornton hit 5% of perrons head, gilles hit 0% of clutterbuck's head, It perplexes me how you think you could see that. Clutterbuck hit his head on the boards.
First of all, perhaps we need to clarify... when I say "head", I am referring to everything from the neck up. Perhaps that is the confusion?
Start looking at 0:50. They show the Gilles hit (yes, I know which player Gilles is, he's the one in the Islanders uniform) from 2 different angles - in front of the play first, and then behind the play. The first angle looks obvious enough, but if you freeze the video at 0:54, you can very clearly see both of Gilles forearms ram into the side of Clutterbuck's head. It is so clear, that I think I can accurately say that he hits him across the jaw/cheekbone - it is above the chin, but below the eye.
The first angle shows clearly that at no point did Gilles's shoulder ever touch Clutterbuck - he runs him straight on.
I do agree that Clutterbuck hits his head on the boards - thanks to the 2 forearms of Gilles putting it there with force. It almost certainly would not have hit the boards without his help.
his arm didn't do the damage, his glove makes contact, but his shoulder pushed him into the boards. the glove barely brushes him
Go OILERS Go!!! |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 21:18:35
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Ok, I don't see how you see gilles touch clutterbucks head, I think your looking at clutterbucks hit on the other islander player, Thornton hit 5% of perrons head, gilles hit 0% of clutterbuck's head, It perplexes me how you think you could see that. Clutterbuck hit his head on the boards.
First of all, perhaps we need to clarify... when I say "head", I am referring to everything from the neck up. Perhaps that is the confusion?
Start looking at 0:50. They show the Gilles hit (yes, I know which player Gilles is, he's the one in the Islanders uniform) from 2 different angles - in front of the play first, and then behind the play. The first angle looks obvious enough, but if you freeze the video at 0:54, you can very clearly see both of Gilles forearms ram into the side of Clutterbuck's head. It is so clear, that I think I can accurately say that he hits him across the jaw/cheekbone - it is above the chin, but below the eye.
The first angle shows clearly that at no point did Gilles's shoulder ever touch Clutterbuck - he runs him straight on.
I do agree that Clutterbuck hits his head on the boards - thanks to the 2 forearms of Gilles putting it there with force. It almost certainly would not have hit the boards without his help.
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| sahis34 |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 19:16:38
cheap shots are worse than headshots, bertuzzi's the biggest douch in the league
Go OILERS Go!!! |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 19:12:15
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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wtf that's not 10 games, it's a dangerous charge, but he hit his shoulder first, he didn't aim for the head really. the repeat offender thing probably comes into play
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Don cherry said it was a shoulder on shoulder hit, clutterbuck hit the other NYI's players head
Sahis. Please view the video - don't rely on Cherry's opinion alone. The claim that this hit is even remotely shoulder to shoulder or in any way fair eclipses your earlier arguments regarding the Thornton/Perron incident. Gilles very clearly runs both his forearms right into Clutterbuck's head, the puck is nowhere in sight nor has Clutterbuck even touched it. No one's shoulder touched anyone else's shoulder, at all.
Give your head a shake.
Ok, I don't see how you see gilles touch clutterbucks head, I think your looking at clutterbucks hit on the other islander player, Thornton hit 5% of perrons head, gilles hit 0% of clutterbuck's head, It perplexes me how you think you could see that. Clutterbuck hit his head on the boards.
Go OILERS Go!!! |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 17:58:05
quote:
wtf that's not 10 games, it's a dangerous charge, but he hit his shoulder first, he didn't aim for the head really. the repeat offender thing probably comes into play
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Don cherry said it was a shoulder on shoulder hit, clutterbuck hit the other NYI's players head
Sahis. Please view the video - don't rely on Cherry's opinion alone. The claim that this hit is even remotely shoulder to shoulder or in any way fair eclipses your earlier arguments regarding the Thornton/Perron incident. Gilles very clearly runs both his forearms right into Clutterbuck's head, the puck is nowhere in sight nor has Clutterbuck even touched it. No one's shoulder touched anyone else's shoulder, at all.
Give your head a shake.
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| polishexpress |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 17:46:21
@Sahis: Who cares what Clutterbuck did? Gillies intended to injure him, that is what is at issue here, not what Clutterbuck did(which I personally thought deserved more than 2mins).
What Gillies did, to me, is in Bertuzzi-Moore territory:
Clutterbuck didn't have the puck, was about to get a penalty for his actions, and Gillies had no intent to make any sort of hockey play on Clutterbuck. I can assume that intent because there is absolutely no VALID hockey reason for that hit.
Had Gillies gone up to Clutterbuck and made him fight, then that's within the realms of hockey rules, but running him into the boards? Immature. Dangerous. Detrimental to the victim, the offender, to NYI, and to MIN.
That Gillies got 10 games is a joke. He should have been at least suspended for the rest of the season, if not kicked out of the NHL. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 17:13:56
I never knew that Don Cherry has replaced that other guy as the 2nd coming.
Bottom line, even if this hit was within reason(which it wasn't) this guy is a predator. He is a hired hitman who gets paid to hurt people. Not through regular play, through garbage.
Sahis, what is your argument on the topic of this guy having more PIMS than time on ice and 19 games in suspensions having played in just 33 games??
Fine upstanding citizen. |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 17:01:05
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
quote:
Originally posted by sahis34
wtf that's not 10 games, it's a dangerous charge, but he hit his shoulder first, he didn't aim for the head really. the repeat offender thing probably comes into play
What is going to be your next argument, that Gillis hit the guy in the 'neck'.
This guy has played 94 1/2 minutes in 33 games, has 124 PIM's(12 minors, 10 majors, 2 misc., and 3 game misc) and has 19 games in suspensions.
Respectfully to not only Sahis but anyone who claims to be a hockey fan, if you are trying to defend this in any way shape or from, well, I can't even say a thing about it other than disgusting.
Don cherry said it was a shoulder on shoulder hit, clutterbuck hit the other NYI's players head
Go OILERS Go!!! |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 03:52:46
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
quote:
Originally posted by sahis34
wtf that's not 10 games, it's a dangerous charge, but he hit his shoulder first, he didn't aim for the head really. the repeat offender thing probably comes into play
What is going to be your next argument, that Gillis hit the guy in the 'neck'.
This guy has played 94 1/2 minutes in 33 games, has 124 PIM's(12 minors, 10 majors, 2 misc., and 3 game misc) and has 19 games in suspensions.
Respectfully to not only Sahis but anyone who claims to be a hockey fan, if you are trying to defend this in any way shape or from, well, I can't even say a thing about it other than disgusting.
Beans it's clear as day it was his neck!!!! 
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 03/05/2011 : 03:37:29
Another chance for the brass to send a message and set an example............. wasted. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 20:20:18
quote:
Originally posted by sahis34
wtf that's not 10 games, it's a dangerous charge, but he hit his shoulder first, he didn't aim for the head really. the repeat offender thing probably comes into play
What is going to be your next argument, that Gillis hit the guy in the 'neck'.
This guy has played 94 1/2 minutes in 33 games, has 124 PIM's(12 minors, 10 majors, 2 misc., and 3 game misc) and has 19 games in suspensions.
Respectfully to not only Sahis but anyone who claims to be a hockey fan, if you are trying to defend this in any way shape or from, well, I can't even say a thing about it other than disgusting. |
| spade632 |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 13:43:15
Mario -
Absolutely. Fighting for fighting's sake is just stupid. I don't see anything wrong with an "honest, man to man" fight in the heat of the moment though. (Though you don't want to see the star players fight and injure themselves).
Sahis - I'm sure that the "repeat offender" clause came into play. Thankfully Clutterbuck wasn't injured (or DiBenedetto by Clutterbuck for that matter) but neither has any place in hockey. Frankly, both of them should have got something.
More broadly, the League needs to do three things on this as I see it:
1) Consistently apply the same standard to hits/incidents in handing out suspensions and not leaving it up to Campbell alone. And for that matter, the standard needs to be applied regardless of the perpetrator or victim. If Gillies (for example) gets 9 games for throwing an elbow, Pronger should get the same.
2) Institute harsher penalties on the player, coach, GM, and Team - if Gilles (or anyone else) is pulling this crap in his third shift back from a suspension, it obviously wasn't a deterrent.
What about a "Three Strikes and you're out rule" - that is, 1st and 2nd suspension based on the incident (and not the injury) and 3rd suspension = automatically banned for a season (that is 82 games and playoffs). If you knew you might cost your team a playoff spot you can bet players would be a lot more careful.
or if it's a repeated issue with a team - what about docking teams points in the standings? (I don't think this would EVER happen in the NHL, but there is precedent in the KHL after a massive brawl in a game both teams were credited for the game with a 5-0 loss.)
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3) Consistently apply a sold "hits to the head" rule - take the same view as high sticking - It doesn't matter where your stick is, you're still responsible for it. That should apply even more to actual body parts. |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 12:50:09
wtf that's not 10 games, it's a dangerous charge, but he hit his shoulder first, he didn't aim for the head really. the repeat offender thing probably comes into play |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 10:57:50
Even though what I am about to suggest may be an extreme solution and maybe not the most viable it certainly would make the league more exciting and dispose of the players who really do not belong in the league.
What I would suggest is to terminate one of the flailing franchises and redistribute the players in a draft style similar to the draft order. By transfering players throughout the league it ailenates the players such as Gillies and other guys who play 3 - 6 mins a game that do not contribute to the game other then fighting. Yes, I am one of the advocates that fighting has no part in hockey between two giants that contribute to their teams success once ever 40 plus games. Iginla fighting Morrow, Crosby fighting kovalchuk, pronger fighting chara i am fine with. Sure you never want your stars fighting but atleast its done out of the heat of the game and a desire to win.
As i said by no means do i believe this will occur but from a business perspective adding depth to all teams and removing guys from the league that do not belong can do nothing but increase the excitement and pace of the game. Lately the leafs have been flying and their games exciting to watch. When Rosehill & Orr have frequent ice time the leafs game take atleast 15 mins longer to finish which further dragged out their old uneventful games. Leaf fans not trying to take a shot just living in Toronto you all know the more time they are on the ice the higher the chances the leafs game will be uneventful and extented by premedated fights.
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| n/a |
Posted - 03/04/2011 : 04:26:47
Gillies is not a hockey player in the NHL. Maybe some goon league, but not in . . . oh, wait.
I'll pipe up again about the supposed code of honour that magically exists between hockey players: where is it? Why aren't other goons running this guy? Because this is why fighting exists according to guys like Don Cherry . . . you know, to straighten out punks like this.
So, how come someone hasn't straightened him out? Is he like Boogard - so big and tough that everyone is scared to take him on? Is he so fast and evasive as a skilled skater that no one can catch him?
hint: there is no code.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Mario 66 |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 15:48:40
As much as i'd love to put this on Snow this is completely on the coach. Fine the team again and fine the Coach 5 grand for each game Gillies is suspended. See how many times he is a healthy scratch after the coach has 30,000 less in his bank account.
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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 15:40:40
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Ya, I a gotta agree. This is the kind of player that is not a player. This guys does nothing that resembles the game of hockey and is only put onto the ice to hurt people.
Not only should this guy be kicked out of playing hockey in any league in North America(the Russians can have him if they want) but the Islanders should be fined again. Maybe with something more substantial than money. No team should put a guy like this on the ice.
Maybe NYI first round draft pick for the next 3-5 years will teach them(and every other team in the NHL) to not even put guys like this on their roster.
Yeah Beans I agree that the Islanders should be held accountable aswell,, look at Ken Holland he would never put a guy like this on his roster let a lone on the ice and he has the most succesfull team of my Generation, somewhere down the line you are right this falls on Garth Snow
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 15:33:50
Ya, I a gotta agree. This is the kind of player that is not a player. This guys does nothing that resembles the game of hockey and is only put onto the ice to hurt people.
Not only should this guy be kicked out of playing hockey in any league in North America(the Russians can have him if they want) but the Islanders should be fined again. Maybe with something more substantial than money. No team should put a guy like this on the ice.
Maybe NYI first round draft pick for the next 3-5 years will teach them(and every other team in the NHL) to not even put guys like this on their roster. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 14:49:59
best words to describe this player ,,, meat head., he is also a great player for the NHL to use to send a message becuase no one will miss him when he is gone!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Mario 66 |
Posted - 03/03/2011 : 13:58:57
Here's a solution even though it may not be a favored one. Get him a job on HBO's Sons of Anarchy and kick his a** out of the league for good. He brings nothing to the table except stupidity. 3 minutes of icetime in his last two games = 49 minutes in pim's and quite possibly 14 games in suspensions. Is there any other reason he is out there except to inflict pain and attempt to cost people their livelyhood? Yes, Matt Cooke & Sean Avery are DB's and morons but when their head isn't up there a** they can be solid nhl players. This guy simply put takes up space and oxygen in arena's that would be better fit to see one of the islanders young players such as Nino Niederitter or even play a man short. H**l how tired would Comeau, Tavares, Okposo, Grabner etc really be taking an additional 45sec shift to cancel out this guys whopping 1:30 TOI. Hopefully he is know relation to Clarke or Colton.
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