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| foolpittier |
Posted - 05/31/2011 : 14:23:25
it's gonna happen |
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| Statman |
Posted - 06/07/2011 : 07:35:21
quote:
I'm American so I don't really care that much but there seems like a lot of suggestions for lumping most of the Canadian teams into one division. That would be a terrible idea for the NHL's playoff revenue. In my opinion.
How so? The playoffs aren't even divisional any more, but strictly involve conference match-ups.
Sigh. Americans...Lol. |
| Guest5649 |
Posted - 06/06/2011 : 10:53:08
"easier path to the finals"
Hey Fool, Detroit has to get out of the 2nd round first before you can start talking like that.......... |
| Guest5649 |
Posted - 06/06/2011 : 06:48:01
Pheonix will move to Quebec or Hamilton in 2013 because they still won't be able to find a buyer to keep the team in the desert......Problem solved!
Basically what Patsy7 said previously....Sorry didn't read it carefully. |
| Guest5649 |
Posted - 06/06/2011 : 06:17:05
Pheonix will move to Quebec or Hamilton in 2013 because they still won't be able to find a buyer to keep the team in the desert......Problem solved! |
| Guest1458 |
Posted - 06/04/2011 : 02:55:57
I'm American so I don't really care that much but there seems like a lot of suggestions for lumping most of the Canadian teams into one division. That would be a terrible idea for the NHL's playoff revenue. In my opinion. |
| 99pickles |
Posted - 06/03/2011 : 17:31:46
quote:
Originally posted by nuxfan
actually, the most logical reorg I have seen requires only 2 moves:
NSH to the southeast (eastern conference)
WIN to the central (western conference)
Geographically this makes the most sense - WIN is far closer to CHI and MIN than it is to CGY/EDM/VAN. And NSH is actually in the SE, only 250 miles or so from ATL. And it is only 2 moves, everything else stays unchanged.
However, this does not address the powers that be desperately wanting to get DET back into the east, so it won't happen.
I think this is exactly how it will go down, nux |
| n/a |
Posted - 06/02/2011 : 08:47:42
Why do you think it's gonna happen - have you heard anyone of any kind of influence or importance say so? Has Detroit publicly said so in the last year or two?
I frankly haven't heard anything of the sort. Tough to do, at this point, as well.
But waiting a year while Winnipeg plays on Atlanta's schedule sure seems like a preparation for further changes to come, it must be one of the biggest reasons. And Phoenix seems very likely to move to either Kansas City or Quebec City . . . so for the proposed realignment, we'd have to guess which city. Seeing as how The Count obviously has his heart set on KC and he has already given Canada back one team, it is so incredibly unlikely he'd make it two that I have to say:
Phoenix ----> Kansas City
alongside
Atlanta--->Winnipeg
and work out
Detroit ----> northeast division? Maybe, we'll see . . .
Here goes. Teams in bold are ones that have been moved.
EASTERN CONFERENCE
Atlantic
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
NY Rangers
NY Islanders
New Jersey
Northeast
Boston
Buffalo
Montreal
Ottawa
Toronto
Southeast
Washington
Tampa Bay
Carolina
Atlanta Nashville
Florida
WESTERN CONFERENCE
Central
Detroit
Nashville Kansas City
Chicago
St.Louis
Columbus
Northwest
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Minnesota
Colorado Winnipeg
Pacific
San Jose
Anaheim
Los Angeles
Phoenix Colorado
Dallas
That settles it . . . Detroit has to stay. To fit Motor City back in the northeast division, the most logical city you'd move is Boston - but then you break up the Montreal/Boston rivalry, and you are stuck having to move a team from the Atlantic which is near impossible in my estimation, as you don't split up the two Penn state teams.
Unless everything is really changed around - re-make # of divisions, or re-configure the whole damn thing - Dtroit stays put.
That's how I see it going down.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest9214 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 10:00:43
I would rather watch OV AND Martin St. Louis more often than those crappy Flames and Oilers. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 09:26:04
quote:
well, aside from nostalgic value (and history) there's the rivalry with other Canadian teams and the fact that all the other Canadian teams play in the same division.
All the other Canadian teams are in the same division because it makes sense geographically too.
quote:
Given that Canada accounts for 1/3 of NHL revenue - wouldn't it make sense to maximize the potential for higher gates? Wouldn't you rather see WPG vs. CAL/EDM/VAN more often than against an American team?
Do you think there would necessarily be higher gates for CGY/EDM/VAN than there would be for CHI/DET on a regular basis? Winnipeg has been without hockey for a long time, it would not surprise me to find out that there are a lot more fans of good central division teams than there are of the western Canadian teams.
I don't live in Winnipeg though, so I don't know if that is the case, correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm also thinking pure simplicity and things that make sense geographically - similar to the NE division. The "two-team-move" that I mentioned above is by far the simplest one to make, with the least impact to everyone else. The location of teams within their divisions would make sense as well. |
| spade632 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 09:01:21
quote:
Originally posted by nuxfan
[quote]
Why?
Other than the fact that the Jets played in the same division as EDM/CGY/VAN 15 years ago, why do they have to go back there?
well, aside from nostalgic value (and history) there's the rivalry with other Canadian teams and the fact that all the other Canadian teams play in the same division.
Given that Canada accounts for 1/3 of NHL revenue - wouldn't it make sense to maximize the potential for higher gates? Wouldn't you rather see WPG vs. CAL/EDM/VAN more often than against an American team? |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 08:30:59
quote:
I think that Winnipeg has to go to the Northwest to play with the other Canadian clubs in the West
Why?
Other than the fact that the Jets played in the same division as EDM/CGY/VAN 15 years ago, why do they have to go back there? |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 07:54:29
quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7
bob mckenzie said this morning on the team 990 he thinks their is no way the red wings go to the east for the simple reason is the wings are a big ticket team and the other western conference teams want them in the west because they draw big crowds when they are in town, and he also mentioned their is a chance no big changes will be made because it is still a big possibility the yotes are moved next year and a front runner is quebec to get that team. if the yotes go to quebec then they go from west to east so atlanta going from east to west is no big deal hence why they are going to wait untill next year to decide because it depends on the yotes next year
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
BINGO! I heard something similar a month or so ago when all this speculation began. It makes the most sense and is likely the reason that Winnipeg will find themselves with a horrendous travel schedule this coming season as they remain in Atl's old spot!
I guess having OV show up for a few games in Winnipeg will help sell some tix at least? |
| spade632 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 06:29:41
Here are a few suggested realignments from here > http://bit.ly/kamfjD
1. Least Number of Moves (3 Teams Change Div, 2 Teams Change Conf)
East
Northeast: MON, OTT, TOR, BUF, BOS
Atlantic: NYR, NYI, NJD, PHI, PIT
Southeast: WSH, CAR, NSH, FLA, TBL
West
Northwest: VAN, CAL, EDM, WIN, COL
Pacific: LAK, ANA, SJS, PHO, DAL
Central: MIN, DET, CBJ, CHI, STL
2. Smallest Divisions (6 Teams Change Div, 4 Teams Change Conf)
East
Northeast: MON, OTT, TOR, BUF, BOS
Atlantic: NYR, NYI, NJD, PHI, WSH
Southeast: CAR, NSH, FLA, TBL, DAL
West
Northwest: VAN, CAL, EDM, WIN, MIN
Southwest: LAK, ANA, SJS, PHO, COL
Central: DET, CBJ, CHI, STL, PIT
3. Minimum Number of Time Zones per Division (6 Teams Change Div, 2 Teams Change Conf)
East:
Northeast: MON, OTT, TOR, BUF, DET
Atlantic: BOS, NYR, NYI, NJD, PHI
Southeast: PIT, WSH, CAR, FLA, TBL
West:
Northwest: CAL, EDM, COL, WIN, MIN
Pacific: VAN, LAK, ANA, SJS, PHO
Central: DAL, CBJ, CHI, STL, NSH
4. Size of Conference/Number of Time Zones in One Conference (4-5 Teams Change Div, 2 Teams Change Conf)
East:
Northeast: BOS, MON, OTT, TOR, BUF
Atlantic: NYR, NYI, NJD, PIT, PHI
Southeast: CBJ, WAS, CAR, TBL, FLA
West:
Central: DET, CHI, STL, NSH, DAL/MIN
Southwest: SJS, LAK, ANA, PHO, COL/DAL
Northwest: VAM, EDM, CAL, WIN, MIN/COL
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I think that Winnipeg has to go to the Northwest to play with the other Canadian clubs in the West. Which at minimum would mean MIN / COL get bumped (likely to Central) and DET / NSH go to the East.
Edit: Pasty - Indeed, it definitely depends on what happens with the Yotes next year. Like Winnipeg, if they end up moving to Quebec, I can't see them playing anywhere but in the Northeast - I'm sure plenty of people here remember the epic MTL / QUE rivalries. That would mean BOS/BUF getting bumped around though my preference would be to see BUF get bumped out of the Northeast.
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And, finally, the NHL re-alignment that would yield the shortest overall road trips. - from here > http://on.wsj.com/lt3EG7
Pacific: ANA, COL, LAK, PHO, SJS
Northwest: CAL, EDM, MIN, VAN, WIN
Central: CHi, CBJ, DAL, DET, STL
Northeast: BUF, MTL, OTT, PIT, TOR
Southeast: CAR, FLA, NSH, TBL, WSH
Atlantic: BOS, NYI, NYR, NJD, PHI |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 05:52:39
bob mckenzie said this morning on the team 990 he thinks their is no way the red wings go to the east for the simple reason is the wings are a big ticket team and the other western conference teams want them in the west because they draw big crowds when they are in town, and he also mentioned their is a chance no big changes will be made because it is still a big possibility the yotes are moved next year and a front runner is quebec to get that team. if the yotes go to quebec then they go from west to east so atlanta going from east to west is no big deal hence why they are going to wait untill next year to decide because it depends on the yotes next year
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 03:45:28
quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7
you can<t take boston out of the north east
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
I wouldnt but the topic is Detroit to the East. I put my org out there. How would you get Detroit to the East and make the most sense of the conferences? |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 05/31/2011 : 19:24:00
you can<t take boston out of the north east
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 05/31/2011 : 17:58:10
actually, the most logical reorg I have seen requires only 2 moves:
NSH to the southeast (eastern conference)
WIN to the central (western conference)
Geographically this makes the most sense - WIN is far closer to CHI and MIN than it is to CGY/EDM/VAN. And NSH is actually in the SE, only 250 miles or so from ATL. And it is only 2 moves, everything else stays unchanged.
However, this does not address the powers that be desperately wanting to get DET back into the east, so it won't happen. |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 05/31/2011 : 16:32:42
Seems logical to bring Detroit to the east - they have been crying for years to do it.
How would you line up the rest of the eastern conference - someone has to go the othe southeast to take Atlanta's spot.
Heres what I think, feel free to pick it apart
Northwest:
Calgary
Colorado
Edmonton
Winnipeg
Vancouver
Central:
Chicago
Colombus
Minnesota
Nashville
St. Louis
Pacific remains unchanged
Northeast:
Buffalo
Detroit
Montreal
Ottawa
Toronto
Atlantic:
Boston
New Jersey
New York Islanders
New York Rangers
Philladelphia
Southeast:
Carolina
Florida
Pittsburg
Tampa
Washington
Geographically seems logical to me |
| foolpittier |
Posted - 05/31/2011 : 15:20:18
easier path to the finals |
| freddyboy |
Posted - 05/31/2011 : 14:51:47
yes it will, probably for the 2012-2013 season
joe is a god, if u dont agree....i dont care |
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