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| spade632 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 12:34:57
As reported by TSN, Colin Campbell has resigned his post as the NHL's disciplinarian. It seems that Brendan Shanahan will take over and their may be some sort of overhaul of how the league handles discipline.
What would you like to see? (Outside of consistency, of course  )
I'd like to see the implementation of some sort of disciplinary board (say three people - a former ref, a former player, and a former coach?) to hand down decisions and suspensions / discipline handed out for the action and not the consequence and the same standard applied no matter who commits the infraction.
Another idea, as I posted here (though this was specifically on headshots)> http://www.pickuphockey.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14155
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Wouldn't if be simple to put in the "World Jr." rule (or a modified version thereof) that read:
"Any hit to the head (and neck), whether intentional or not shall result in a 5 minute major for "hitting to the head," a game misconduct, and subsequent review by the League."
They could also add a minimum penalty clause too - i.e.
1st offence - automatic 5 games (+ any extra as deemed by the League)
2nd offence - automatic 10 games (+ any extra)
3rd offence - automatic 20games (+ any extra)
etc..
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| Guest4771 |
Posted - 06/04/2011 : 11:29:26
Yea [ moderator edit ] you beans
Please refrain from the potty language, folks - your opinion will be much better validated by excellent argumentation and the use of non-abusive language to express your views. |
| n/a |
Posted - 06/04/2011 : 10:42:35
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Originally posted by Beans15
If one was to look back on the history of posts on this site, there is more than a few posts relating to just about anything the NHL has done in the past 25 years as a negative and that anyone who has held a position with the NHL for a long period of time is there not on merit as they have destroyed the game.
Hence, Slozo on a soapbox. You could also say I am on the soapbox on various topics as well. I have never denied it. All I am saying is that many of us have a typical opinion on certain items. Slozo's opinion is often that of conspiracy when it comes to those involved with the NHL and the BOG.
There goes Beans, always on his soapbox against everything slozo writes.
Beans once again goes on his soapbox about how great a job NHL management is doing.
There goes Beans on his soapbox, putting in the "c" word (ooooohhh, conspiracy! Oh, you nutter!!) as if that had anything to do with what anyone else said.
I'm curious Beans . . . if I think Campbell was doing a lousy job, never mind the conflict of interest and extreme unprofessionalism - how could I point it out in a topic where I am asked about what I think of him leaving office, without being on a "soapbox"? Or do I just have to agree with you, and then I can get called smart?
Campbell was brutal. The Count is brutal. Those are opinions.
And just like arseholes, everyone's got one.
Including you, Beans.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 06/03/2011 : 11:22:52
If one was to look back on the history of posts on this site, there is more than a few posts relating to just about anything the NHL has done in the past 25 years as a negative and that anyone who has held a position with the NHL for a long period of time is there not on merit as they have destroyed the game.
Hence, Slozo on a soapbox. You could also say I am on the soapbox on various topics as well. I have never denied it. All I am saying is that many of us have a typical opinion on certain items. Slozo's opinion is often that of conspiracy when it comes to those involved with the NHL and the BOG. |
| Guest5052 |
Posted - 06/03/2011 : 09:24:13
Hey, why is Slozo on a soapbox, but others, yourself included are not?
Seems to me that to suggest that Colon Campbell wasnt the right man for the job, is an opinion which doesnt warrant derision.
Personally I think its a difficult job to exercise discretion and good luck to shanahan to do so, but thefact that he had a son in the league makes the apprehension of bias to great. Had to go.
I like Shanahan in the position. Yes he was a tough player, but that doesnt automatically translate into his new role and I get the sense that he is a pretty progressive guy. Time will tell, but I like it. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 06/03/2011 : 09:05:35
Could you imagine what the other guy in a sex scandal with Bettman would look like???
Just sayin'
I agree that Shanahan was a bit of a throwback kind of player in the way that 'the code' means something to him. It will be interesting to see if he manages with the assumption that the code is still relevant.
What I do see almost immediately is the respect he will get from the soapbox poets. He does not have a kid playing in the game and he has not had decades of time with the NHL to jade anyone's opinion. He should get the benefit of the doubt for the forseeable future based on the respect that most everyone has of him as a player.
Finally, Slozo. Thanks for the compliment! |
| n/a |
Posted - 06/03/2011 : 06:12:26
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Originally posted by Beans15
I like Shanahan in that spot. I think he has the right 'fresh set of eyes' to steer that department in the right direction.
Although, I will be just a matter of time until Slozo is on the soapbox pointing at every thing that Shanahan has done as wrong. He does work for the NHL you know, and not of them ever get anything right and it's a bid conspiracy why the BOG keeps them around when they have ruined everything about the game.
Wow, how can I refute such an eloquent argument, Beans? You are so clever at invalidating any point I have by writing it off as paranoid, delusional anger at anyone who controls anything at the NHL management level.
My real opinion? For everyone except for Beans, here it is:
1) The move is a graceful exit for a guy who should have been fired for numerous transgressions and many counts of unprofessional conduct. Certainly not what we hear from the NHL management, but the emails scandal showed it clear as day.
You're lucky, Colin.
2) Brendan Shanahan . . . I like him, overall. As a person. As a disciplinarian, I don't know yet . . . but of note, we are talking about one of the most penalised skilled forwards in the game in his time, and he remains the only player with over 600 goals and 2,000 penalty minutes. He also holds the unofficial record for most Gordie Howe hattricks with 17. Fghting is here to remain improperly penalised and promoted, is what I see from Shanny's past . . . although who knows until he really starts the job. The main thing I look for from Shanahan is some level of consistency, and getting away from the arbitrary nature of most of Campbell's rulings.
Shanahan became a US citizen in 2002, and resides in Boston.
Hey, I'm just sayin'!
3) Overall, I am happy. I'd be happier if Bettman had to resign because of some sordid sex scandal, but this is good enough for this week.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 06/03/2011 : 05:38:57
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Originally posted by Beans15
I like Shanahan in that spot. I think he has the right 'fresh set of eyes' to steer that department in the right direction.
Although, I will be just a matter of time until Slozo is on the soapbox pointing at every thing that Shanahan has done as wrong. He does work for the NHL you know, and not of them ever get anything right and it's a bid conspiracy why the BOG keeps them around when they have ruined everything about the game.
Bob mckenzie was on the team 990 this morning and suggested a idea i quite liked a 3 year term for each vice president of hocey safety, this way you always get the fresh eyes he suggested the nhl should be preparing the next guy right away and switch it up every 3 years
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 06/02/2011 : 11:58:23
I like Shanahan in that spot. I think he has the right 'fresh set of eyes' to steer that department in the right direction.
Although, I will be just a matter of time until Slozo is on the soapbox pointing at every thing that Shanahan has done as wrong. He does work for the NHL you know, and not of them ever get anything right and it's a bid conspiracy why the BOG keeps them around when they have ruined everything about the game. |
| spade632 |
Posted - 06/02/2011 : 11:25:03
Slozo > http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=564484
He's no longer in charge of supplemental discipline but will retain a role in Hockey Operations.
Shanahan will now become the new NHL Senior Vice President of Player Safety and Hockey Operations.
Campbell, according to the article, "hated" the supplemental discipline part of his job and said that it was time to "get out of that rut" and get some fresh eyes. |
| n/a |
Posted - 06/02/2011 : 08:58:14
I jumped up and thought Great!!! He's finally gone!
But then I noticed that the league actually says he is just STEPPING AWAY from operations. As in, still paid by the NHL to make bad decisions that should have gotten him fired years ago, and yet, he is taking a vacation.
So actually, Campbell is just on a paid vacation due to public scrutiny on his son being in the finals, and due to the previous email scandal making the public more aware of what a bad decision-maker this guy is. It's a Stanley Cup Finals vacation.
Unless, of course, you can provide a link to an official NHL statement regarding Colin Campbell's official and permanent resignation? 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest4312 |
Posted - 06/02/2011 : 07:22:40
this was long overdue between the conflict of interest (gregory campbell) and the absolutely unpredictable suspensions (or lack there of ) colin campbell was not getting the job done the way it should be or heading in the right direction imo. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 17:54:25
HA!!! i said it a million times this season when we were talking about inconsistencies and such that we needed someone young who has played in the New NHL and went on the say Shanahan would be the perfect man for the job! i guess the NHL was listening to me!!!!
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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| Guest4730 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 15:33:18
I hear Winnipeg is looking for a GM (or is it President) since Waddell isn't coming with the team. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 14:24:11
I'm guessing that Campbell was going to step down or be relieved of his duties duing the offseason BUT, with his son in the finals, either he, or the league, decided it'd be best to do it now so as to avoid ANY conflict of interest if something were to happen in the next 2 weeks.
Overall, i think it's a good thing and agree there should be some sort of panel that votes on suspensions. |
| leigh |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 14:19:22
Just as long as a suspension has no correlation to how long an injured player is out for. For example, Billy hits Johnny illegally, Billy is suspended for 5 games plus the time Johnny is out recovering from his injury. RIDICULOUS!
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| Guest4178 |
Posted - 06/01/2011 : 14:18:36
Wow – this is very interesting news. I wonder if this has anything to do with the controversy which took place regarding inappropriate e-mails in the legal dispute with the NHL official who sued the league for wrongful dismissal? Maybe a deal was struck months ago (with Campbell) to let him stay on until the end of the season?
I suspect the reasons behind Campbell's "resignation" could also easily stem from the many criticisms of his work as league disciplinarian. It's a thankless job (and a job which is impossible to do perfectly), but a change was in order.
Interesting time to make the announcement. Just before game one of the Stanley Cup Finals. Maybe the NHL was/is hoping to get this story get overshadowed by more important hockey matters. (Even including the recent announcement of the Winnipeg franchise.)
I definitely like the idea of Brendan Shanahan becoming involved with league discipline, but as Spade states, as part of a group. The idea of including a former referee, coach or GM is a very good idea.
I'm not so sure about mandatory minimum suspensions though. There is such a wide range of head shot severity – some head shots are worse than others. I think the decision-making needs to involve some form of discretion, and while controversy is a consequence, it's better off determining an outcome with a credible decision-making panel in place, and one which looks at all factors, including the background of the player appearing before the panel. |
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