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| Alex116 |
Posted - 07/25/2011 : 09:22:42
There's been a lot of speculation that Mike Richards and Jeff Carter were spending a lot of time partying, drinking, etc and that it was a big part of the reason for the two young studs being dealt. Now, apparently a former team mate or two have come out and pretty much said as much.
Seems the Flyers may have made the decision to go in a different direction due to this?
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Unnamed-Flyers-blame-8216-Dry-Island-8217-p;_ylt=AqggkcWggwnLPQE8ZuPgpnsJfwM6?urn=nhl-wp9667 |
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| The Duke |
Posted - 07/26/2011 : 19:47:42
Guess no - one really knows for sure. Maybe the owner ( Snieder or something is it ? ) just got sick of paying these guys millions and watching them get bounced out of the playoffs every year...who knows ??
Maybe in a diddy fit he said to Holmgren...for f**k-sake trade those 2 and get them out of my sight...get me new blood and start over...who really knows ? |
| Guest5052 |
Posted - 07/25/2011 : 15:04:30
I am not sure we'll ever really know, but its fun to speculate.
I agree with some of the thread that suggests partying alone isnt reason to ditch two top end players, esp after they committed to long term deals.
I do get the sense that the leadership had something to do with it. I feel the same way about Boston trading Joe Thornton. Agree or not, I felt right away that the boston management didnt think that they would win a cup with Thornton as their leader. I tended to be one who was less critical of Boston for that trade (did they get enough for him, obviously not, but maybe just maybe they wouldnt have the 2011 cup either)
The biggest difference for me is that both Richards and Carter are reputed competitors (esp richards).
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 07/25/2011 : 14:47:48
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Originally posted by The Duke
These paragraphs were written in relation ( with this topic ) to the departures of Carter and Richards...people can speculate and write what garbage they like, these guys are great players.
I just think the Flyers wanted some fresh faces to move this franchise in a diffrent direction. These contracts they moved were also long term and made cap flexibilities very difficult.
As a leaf fan, i`m very glad that Brian Burke tries to stick to a 5 year max deal, to an hockey player, thats long enough. Who knows what can happen over a 10 - 13 year deal ??
Look at R. Luongo for example...how many years has he left remaining on his contract ?? With average play, what are the Canucks going to do with him ?? The Flyers just rid themselves of this possibly happening to them.
Duke, i don't think anyone would argue that Richards and Carter are great players. That's not really the issue being discussed though. Bottom line is, it's extremely rare for a team to give out long term deals like theirs only to trade them a year or two later. This leads to the rumours and thoughts that there was more to it than simply needing a change of faces. Add to the fact that one of the guys dealt, was their captain, one who when he was signed and given the C, you'd have to think they had long term plans for?
I don't think anyone was surprised by the Carter deal, but to move Richards at that point came as a huge shock to many. I know they're rumours and no proof is out there, but if i were a betting man, i'd say the rumours of their partying ways are bang on! I really don't have a huge problem with it, unless it was affecting their game, but when your coach asks you, especially as captain, to be a part of something, you need to do that to support him. It wasn't that long ago that people were speculating that Laviolette would be sent packing cuz it's easier to replace the coach than your captain (of Richard's caliber). We didn't see what most expected, and it was the captain/player shipped out!
There's definitely more to it than simply trying to shake things up in Philly, imo. |
| Guest4312 |
Posted - 07/25/2011 : 12:21:55
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Originally posted by The Duke
Look at R. Luongo for example...how many years has he left remaining on his contract ?? With average play, what are the Canucks going to do with him ?? The Flyers just rid themselves of this possibly happening to them.
.... they signed bryzgalov to a 9 year deal so i'm not sure how that is any different than the carter and richards deals that they just got rid of. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 07/25/2011 : 11:41:21
What I read into this (if there is truth to this story) is that it wasn't as much Carter and Richards drinking and partying, it was the leadership thing. If there is a culture anywhere (a dressing room, and board room, etc), leadership must be directly involved with the change. I will liken it (loosely) to a company with a lax dress code. If jeans are acceptable and then management want to make jeans only on Fridays, it's up to the informal leaders of the work group to lead that charge. If the people everyone looks to (and looks up to) are doing something, as will others.
If there was a partying culture in Philly and the coach wanted to change that, he will get zero footing without his leaders directly involved.
Performance is a direct reflection of leadership. |
| n/a |
Posted - 07/25/2011 : 11:15:13
It's gotta be a lot more than that though, Duke.
Myself, I even think it has to be even MORE than just "partying" . . . I think it's code for "substance abuse". Just my feeling, and of course, it probably won't get confirmed unless the wheels fall off the cart for either of them and they pull a Kevin Stevens.
IMHO, players of that stature don't just get the boot for partying too much . . . it strains incredulity, seriously. They were both still producing, one is a captain, both still young. There is just too much money at stake to get rid of guys for partying too much, when in fact their production is still at a very high level.
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| The Duke |
Posted - 07/25/2011 : 10:46:17
Phillies cup woes revolve directly around the net, this has been their achilles heel for years. Missing Pronger this year was a major blow for them also.
Theres no doubt in my mind that if the Flyers had a true number one goalie in the playoffs and a healthy Pronger, Boston would not be drinking from the Stanley cup.
Boston did win the cup though, more power to them, congrats.
These paragraphs were written in relation ( with this topic ) to the departures of Carter and Richards...people can speculate and write what garbage they like, these guys are great players.
I just think the Flyers wanted some fresh faces to move this franchise in a diffrent direction. These contracts they moved were also long term and made cap flexibilities very difficult.
As a leaf fan, i`m very glad that Brian Burke tries to stick to a 5 year max deal, to an hockey player, thats long enough. Who knows what can happen over a 10 - 13 year deal ??
Look at R. Luongo for example...how many years has he left remaining on his contract ?? With average play, what are the Canucks going to do with him ?? The Flyers just rid themselves of this possibly happening to them. |
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