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willus3 Posted - 12/07/2007 : 12:09:50
http://mercextra.com/blogs/sharks/2007/12/03/ron-wilsons-recipe-for-increased-scoring-in-nhl/#more-82

The four man in your defensive zone is actually quite an interesting idea. I wouldn't vote to implement it but it is interesting.
Making the nets bigger is definitely out.
Making goalie equipment smaller is what I would choose.

"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore
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Guest6576 Posted - 12/10/2007 : 15:00:14
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

quote:
Originally posted by PuckNuts

The puck is deep behind the goal line, the pass goes back to the point, "Al MacInnes" times the pass perfectly, he takes the big wind up, but wait a second a forward has decided that he would slide, and block the shot...wow right off the shin pads, it was a lucky block...

The puck goes down the ice, the forward gets up, and to the crowds dismay he is perfectly fine...

How many times has this happened, the player is fine, and do you know why, because the equipment that we wear is safe, and if you can block an Al MacInnes slap shot in the shin pads, why does a goalie need all that massive equipment? So he can stop the shot...not protection...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan







Here, Here. Perfect response. This is my point. The goalie equipment today is designed to stop the puck, which is not what is was originally designed for.

Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!



Great point!!!!!!!
Guest6576 Posted - 12/10/2007 : 14:58:28
quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds

Unless you want Luongo officially retiring from hockey, I would'nt make the pads any smaller.



Hell if I care if Luongo retires because the pads become smaller, there are so many reasons to watch the game besides Luongo.

And besides Luongo would not retire, after he considered all his other employment options, he would realize how stupid he would be to retire, where else would he earn miliions of dollars a year to play hockey, exactly!

As long as the thickness of the equipment is enough to protect the goalie, there is nothing wrong with changing the pads, lengthwise and widthwise.

What all the people saying 5 is enough have to think about is that the very casual fan sees 1-0 or 2-1 and thinks nothing of it...meanwhile the very casual fan who sees 6-4, will say, woah, look at that score! And, therefore, the sport and the fanbase will grow. And stop being Devil's advocates, oh 5 is enough, blah blah blah, high-scoring hockey was fun and wild when all scoring records were consistently being challenged.

The Leafs-Bruins 2-1 game the other night was a almost a bore and definitely a challenge to watch. The announcers went on all night how about how much Boston was trapping, oh joy, not about the skill and marvel of Sundin and Savard.
OILINONTARIO Posted - 12/10/2007 : 14:37:18
quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7

quote:
Originally posted by OILINONTARIO

quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7

Willus you do make some valid points but a butterfly only covers 50' of the net if th goalie plays on the goal line,,,

Have you ever seen "Spinal Tap"? If the goalie pads in your world cover 50' of the net, The NHL doesn't want you designing equipment or arena specs.

The Oil WILL make the playoffs.



i dont get it,,

Pasty

The apostrophe in "50' " would seem to indicate a measure in feet. I guess the Spinal Tap reference is a little obscure. You should rent the movie, though. It's hilarious.

The Oil WILL make the playoffs.
PuckNuts Posted - 12/10/2007 : 14:25:46
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

In response to the save percentages being low before the butterfly was popular. It's tough to find good info. I will continue looking, but what I have found so far is that Dryden has seasons of .919 and .929 in the late 70's, which are in the top 10 all time for the Canadiens.

If that is the case, and there were save % of over .900 without the butterfly, it tells me that the style itself of no more or less effective. But what I THINK is that the butterfly and large oversizes pads make marginal goalies good and good goalies great.

Any my point of the size of the pads is that goalies can cover very close to the entire bottom of the net from the goal line, not having to come out to cut off the angle. That is a huge advantage to the goalie in the crease during scrambles. Those are the shots that are stopped today and 15+ years ago would have been goals.


moved to

Goalie save %

http://www.pickuphockey.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3164
PuckNuts Posted - 12/10/2007 : 13:54:44
I have no problem with the newer technologies, but its the size of the equipment, not the fact that it is lighter.

If you go back to wood sticks then the goalies would have to go back to leather, water soaked pads...



I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan


Beans15 Posted - 12/10/2007 : 13:39:43
IHC completely agree. You want to make the game more enjoyable to watch, don't have a stick explode in the guys hands when he's going for a one timer.



Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
I HATE CROSBY Posted - 12/10/2007 : 12:30:14
I'm not sure if this was mentioned yet, but goalie pads are a lot lighter today then in the old days too.....I once tried on a pair of the old pads...YIKES..if the get wet, it's over...

I dunno, if you're going to make pads smaller, you'd better make all the players use wood sticks...Why should one position get to benifit from technology and another not?

Sugar Ray over Hasek any day!
Beans15 Posted - 12/10/2007 : 11:11:06
In response to the save percentages being low before the butterfly was popular. It's tough to find good info. I will continue looking, but what I have found so far is that Dryden has seasons of .919 and .929 in the late 70's, which are in the top 10 all time for the Canadiens.

If that is the case, and there were save % of over .900 without the butterfly, it tells me that the style itself of no more or less effective. But what I THINK is that the butterfly and large oversizes pads make marginal goalies good and good goalies great.

Any my point of the size of the pads is that goalies can cover very close to the entire bottom of the net from the goal line, not having to come out to cut off the angle. That is a huge advantage to the goalie in the crease during scrambles. Those are the shots that are stopped today and 15+ years ago would have been goals.

Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
Beans15 Posted - 12/10/2007 : 10:53:17
quote:
Originally posted by PuckNuts

The puck is deep behind the goal line, the pass goes back to the point, "Al MacInnes" times the pass perfectly, he takes the big wind up, but wait a second a forward has decided that he would slide, and block the shot...wow right off the shin pads, it was a lucky block...

The puck goes down the ice, the forward gets up, and to the crowds dismay he is perfectly fine...

How many times has this happened, the player is fine, and do you know why, because the equipment that we wear is safe, and if you can block an Al MacInnes slap shot in the shin pads, why does a goalie need all that massive equipment? So he can stop the shot...not protection...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan







Here, Here. Perfect response. This is my point. The goalie equipment today is designed to stop the puck, which is not what is was originally designed for.

Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
PuckNuts Posted - 12/09/2007 : 18:20:26
The puck is deep behind the goal line, the pass goes back to the point, "Al MacInnes" times the pass perfectly, he takes the big wind up, but wait a second a forward has decided that he would slide, and block the shot...wow right off the shin pads, it was a lucky block...

The puck goes down the ice, the forward gets up, and to the crowds dismay he is perfectly fine...

How many times has this happened, the player is fine, and do you know why, because the equipment that we wear is safe, and if you can block an Al MacInnes slap shot in the shin pads, why does a goalie need all that massive equipment? So he can stop the shot...not protection...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan


Pasty7 Posted - 12/09/2007 : 16:41:36
quote:
Originally posted by OILINONTARIO

quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7

Willus you do make some valid points but a butterfly only covers 50' of the net if th goalie plays on the goal line,,,

Have you ever seen "Spinal Tap"? If the goalie pads in your world cover 50' of the net, The NHL doesn't want you designing equipment or arena specs.

The Oil WILL make the playoffs.



i dont get it,,

Pasty
OILINONTARIO Posted - 12/09/2007 : 15:35:51
quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7

Willus you do make some valid points but a butterfly only covers 50' of the net if th goalie plays on the goal line,,,

Have you ever seen "Spinal Tap"? If the goalie pads in your world cover 50' of the net, The NHL doesn't want you designing equipment or arena specs.

The Oil WILL make the playoffs.
Pasty7 Posted - 12/09/2007 : 14:58:06
Willus you do make some valid points but a butterfly only covers 50' of the net if th goalie plays on the goal line,,, not very many goalies play on the goal line these days the first thing i work on wih my youngins is how to stay on there feet as long as possible,,, i personally as a goalie drop down too much but am blessed with great lateral movement,,, but the butterfly if played out of your net properly not on the goal line can take up the whole bottom of the net even if you give goalies player sized pads. And don't get me wrong,,, i understand at my age i have missed out on the brilliance of Terry shawchuk and many others but ,, those averages you poseted lack one important stat untill patrick roy in the 90's it was unherd of for a goalie to have a sv% over 900... now a 900 sv% belongs to the good goalies in the nhl the great ones put up 930,,,, what did patrick roy change ,,, the butterfly,,, (later on the pads size changed with him but originally he had the smae pads as everyone else) you are right i'm only 20 but a big part of the reason i havn;t gone a little farther with my hockey is the fact every coach i can ever think of told me to stop dropping to my knees but i was never less effective,,,, it worked for me,,, that and the fact i was always the only english speaking player on my teams,,,, thats why it bugs me a lil bit on the personal side when people say the butterfly isn;t the most progressive style .....

Pasty
Alex Posted - 12/09/2007 : 12:09:08
According to what Beans said, which I definitely agree with, only Brodeur and a few others would be able to play in the earlier eras. He is the best of the best in a defense-first game.

However, people, please address this issue -- do you really want to dramatically change the game by making one miner alteration to the equipment of one player?

Guys, the game is known for speed, not scoring. It is highlight reel plays that sell the game, not high scores. If you turn hockey into a game like baseball or football, where the scoring is substantially higher, you are left with a lower-level of Americanized sport. Why not focus on what we are good at? Why not try to improve on out differences? The last thing we need is to be trying to copy other sports, that will end up being counterintuitive.

Habs get number 25 this year
Beans15 Posted - 12/09/2007 : 10:43:38
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I beg to differ,,, goalies are 1000x better today then even in the early 90`s.... the butterly is far more effective then any other style to date,, even with the smallest pads you want to put on a goalie the butterfly is simply the best way to protect the net.... if a goalie can eliminate the whole bottom of the net he can force a shooter to take the shot he wants him to take,,,,, not to mention how mobile a modern goalie is to the old stand up style,,, with the butterfly a goalie slides across to stop a one timer on his knees not sprawling throwing anything he can to make the stop not to mention if the puck changes direction or a rebound is there the goalie only has to lift a leg push and slide in position well ballanced over to the other side of the net..... the advances in goaltending are extreme im sorry ken dryden plante.. terry shawchuk all the old time greats would have no shot in todays game,,, you cant even make a case they would. same as 50 years from now roy, brodeur and lulongo may very well be the greats of the past but with the current game would not be able to keep up..... i make a living coaching goalies when it comes to goalies i know em inside out goalies have evolved a million times faster then every other aspect of hockey,,,

Pasty
[/quote}
To say that goalies such as Dryden, Plante, and Sawchuck would have no shot in today's game is a joke. Logically thinking, goalie pads were originally designed and used to protect a goalie. They were basically cricket pads, where were not much bigger than what all players use today as shin pads.

The width of the net is 60". I am 6' tall, and the length from the top of my knee to the floor is 20", 25" if I point my toes(which you can't do in skates). That means, in a butterfly position, the maximum length is 50", which is 22" short of covering the bottom of the net. However, if I have 38" pads on, I cover 76".

The butterfly position would be completely useless without the larger pads. And if the butteryfly position is so much more effective, why did those poor NHL all time great goalies who would have no shot in today's game have career GAA of 2.38 (Jacques Plante), 2.24(Ken Dryden), and 2.52(Terry Sawchuk). Take a look at the GAA of some of the best butteryfly goalies 2.54(Patrick Roy), 2.20(Martin Brodeur), 2.63 (Roberto Luongo).

Sad thing is that the old, useless, couldn't play in today's NHL goalies stopped the puck as effectively as today's goalies without 38" long pads, and blockers and glove with massive size and depth or using the butteryfly postion.

I dig ya Patchy, but your are not even close on this one. With all due respect, if you profile is correct, at 20 you have no way to compare goalies from the early 90's to today let alone some of the all time greats any better than any of us. Even if you are a goalie coach.

Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
Alex Posted - 12/09/2007 : 05:53:32
Yes, but will more scoring truly make the game more exciting to watch? Is it not fun to watch end-to-end 1-1 games, where goalies make the nice glove and stick saves, and where one mistake could make the game? Or would you rather have a dump and chase be operated since goalies cannot play the puck and see the entire game be a powerplay, based on Ron Wilson's idea?

For sure, the more scoring vs less does a lot fantasy wise. But think about told time hockey, there were generally never huge scores, and it was much mroe entertaining.

Habs get number 25 this year
Pasty7 Posted - 12/09/2007 : 03:14:01
quote:
Originally posted by willus3

quote:
Originally posted by PuckNuts

You can come up with 1,000 ideas, but the problem will not be solved unless you solve the root cause...Goalie equipment is the issue, not the nets, not the trap, etc.

If you make the nets bigger the goalies will make their equipment bigger, have you solved the problem, NO...

If you only allow 4 players in side your own zone, then the offensive team will only put four in, and one on the cherry picker, is the problem solved, NO...

I know goalies cry when you say make their equipment smaller, "I will get hurt...boohoo". Come on you can't feel a thing the equipment is so big.

Reality has to set in if the NHL wants to keep up with the other top sports...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan





Agreed 100%.
I'm not saying there needs to be more scoring but I do agree with Ron Wilson's observation that when forwards are rushing down the wing and take a shot it isn't very exciting. It won't be a goal and will just rebound out for a scrum in front of the net or in the corner. It would be nice for there to be a better chance of a Guy Lafleu type goal again.
Goalie pads need to shrink.
Goalies today are not better than goalies of the past. They just have larger equipment.
The butterfly style is not a superior method for goalies. The larger equipment is what makes the butterfly style so effective now. Goalies take up so much area with the combination of pad size and butterfly style it leaves very little space but up top to score. Reduce the size of the equipment and the advantage of the butterfly style goes away. There was a reason players in the past used the stand up style. It worked better with the smaller pads.

"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore



I beg to differ,,, goalies are 1000x better today then even in the early 90`s.... the butterly is far more effective then any other style to date,, even with the smallest pads you want to put on a goalie the butterfly is simply the best way to protect the net.... if a goalie can eliminate the whole bottom of the net he can force a shooter to take the shot he wants him to take,,,,, not to mention how mobile a modern goalie is to the old stand up style,,, with the butterfly a goalie slides across to stop a one timer on his knees not sprawling throwing anything he can to make the stop not to mention if the puck changes direction or a rebound is there the goalie only has to lift a leg push and slide in position well ballanced over to the other side of the net..... the advances in goaltending are extreme im sorry ken dryden plante.. terry shawchuk all the old time greats would have no shot in todays game,,, you cant even make a case they would. same as 50 years from now roy, brodeur and lulongo may very well be the greats of the past but with the current game would not be able to keep up..... i make a living coaching goalies when it comes to goalies i know em inside out goalies have evolved a million times faster then every other aspect of hockey,,,

Pasty
Pasty7 Posted - 12/08/2007 : 21:18:09
quote:
Originally posted by PuckNuts

You are young, there were many goalies over 6' tall well before you were born.

The pads, blocker, and glove have standards, that is not the problem it is the shoulder pads, and chest protector...Take a look at some photos of goalies, some of them grew in size from one year to another... Raycroft is a good example, his shoulder pads are twice the size as when he enterd the league...

Just because you sign a big contract does not mean that you should increase the size of your equipment, unless you feel that you will not be able to live up to it...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan






wasn;t raycroft far better with the small pads??? the only year he was good is the year you're saying he had small pads??? how does that wrk?? maybe raycroft wrked out and just got bigger??

Pasty
willus3 Posted - 12/08/2007 : 19:57:54
quote:
Originally posted by PuckNuts

You can come up with 1,000 ideas, but the problem will not be solved unless you solve the root cause...Goalie equipment is the issue, not the nets, not the trap, etc.

If you make the nets bigger the goalies will make their equipment bigger, have you solved the problem, NO...

If you only allow 4 players in side your own zone, then the offensive team will only put four in, and one on the cherry picker, is the problem solved, NO...

I know goalies cry when you say make their equipment smaller, "I will get hurt...boohoo". Come on you can't feel a thing the equipment is so big.

Reality has to set in if the NHL wants to keep up with the other top sports...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan





Agreed 100%.
I'm not saying there needs to be more scoring but I do agree with Ron Wilson's observation that when forwards are rushing down the wing and take a shot it isn't very exciting. It won't be a goal and will just rebound out for a scrum in front of the net or in the corner. It would be nice for there to be a better chance of a Guy Lafleur type goal again.
Goalie pads need to shrink.
Goalies today are not better than goalies of the past. They just have larger equipment.
The butterfly style is not a superior method for goalies. The larger equipment is what makes the butterfly style so effective now. Goalies take up so much area with the combination of pad size and butterfly style it leaves very little space but up top to score. Reduce the size of the equipment and the advantage of the butterfly style goes away. There was a reason players in the past used the stand up style. It worked better with the smaller pads.

"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore
I HATE CROSBY Posted - 12/08/2007 : 19:55:53
The only problem with the game now is it's designed for pussies...No more bench clearers. Every hit gets a penalty. And every hit that causes injury gets a suspension. Anyone who says "there's no respect in hockey anymore" can bite me. I was watching sportsnet today, they should Hextall highlights from years ago. There was way more wild stuff back then.....
I'm borderline disliking hockey now. I hate how it's covered on tv . ie crosby first, controversial hits second, then "GM meetings"/ trade stuff....notice what's missing? talking about plays, showing highlights, etc.....They spend more time showing interviews than highlights. Be honest, when was the last time we got to see Hurricanes highlights?

As for the scoring situation...Maybe if that vampire, Bettman didn't water down the league with 30 teams, the density of quality players per team would be better....
This is the first saturday night I've been home in a while, so I thought I'd watch HNIC all night...All I can say is I am really dissapointed with quality of the games...It's all penalties. 3 lines of s***ty players, and a pathetic media that forgets there is more than one great player in the league.

Sugar Ray over Hasek any day!
Jeremy12 Posted - 12/08/2007 : 19:35:26
quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds

Unless you want Luongo officially retiring from hockey, I would'nt make the pads any smaller.

Ellis or Mason?

Go Preds Go!


He said he would retire if they made the nets bigger, not the pads smaller

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Alex Posted - 12/08/2007 : 16:43:28


quote:
Originally posted by Berniefan4life

As a hockey fan.. what is wrong with the sport?

5 goals in a game is more that enough...

How many games so far have had over 5 goals scored totally and how many games have had under 5... In my view the under 5 goals are way more exciting.....

What kind of sport does the public want 10 vs 16, if so watch the Toronto ROCK game. IN case TO ROCK is box Lacrosse..

Flyers Fan since age 5



I have to agree. I think they are seroing in on the wrong issue. The action is what you want, not the goals. Watching 4 guys in defensive zone is like watching a PP. How much more exciting is end to end action than two minutes of one way hockey? Not that that would be the case, but I'm making a point. Taking out the two line pass, maybe incresing rink size to give players more open ice, not allowing goalies to paly the puck -- those help the flow of the game. Bigger nets, smaller pads and less D is just giving the score anouncer a harder job and possibly discouraging the good goalies of today such as Luongo to continue to paly the game.

Habs get number 25 this year
PuckNuts Posted - 12/08/2007 : 01:03:31
You are young, there were many goalies over 6' tall well before you were born.

The pads, blocker, and glove have standards, that is not the problem it is the shoulder pads, and chest protector...Take a look at some photos of goalies, some of them grew in size from one year to another... Raycroft is a good example, his shoulder pads are twice the size as when he enterd the league...

Just because you sign a big contract does not mean that you should increase the size of your equipment, unless you feel that you will not be able to live up to it...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan


Pasty7 Posted - 12/08/2007 : 00:51:09
quote:
Originally posted by PuckNuts

You can come up with 1,000 ideas, but the problem will not be solved unless you solve the root cause...Goalie equipment is the issue, not the nets, not the trap, etc.

If you make the nets bigger the goalies will make their equipment bigger, have you solved the problem, NO...

If you only allow 4 players in side your own zone, then the offensive team will only put four in, and one on the cherry picker, is the problem solved, NO...

I know goalies cry when you say make their equipment smaller, "I will get hurt...boohoo". Come on you can't feel a thing the equipment is so big.

Reality has to set in if the NHL wants to keep up with the other top sports...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan






boo hooo changing all these things except this 4 man d idea will surly produce more goals ,.,,,, but more carppy goals shots that by todays standards are considerd weak goals which personaly i dont want to see,, the thing about makeing the pads even smaller is crap,,, the old pad were not that big to begin with,, (i'm not talking bout garth snow in the 90's those were ridculous,) and im sorry but you're wrong if the pads get much smaller it is a saftey issue,, take giguere for example people always have his pads checked but hes never been caught once with oversized pads,, why do people keep checking him?? simple hes not an overly talented or atheletic goalie ,, hes a big boy he learnt how to play big in his net and take the corners away,,,, goalie coaching and training has developped at rates far quicker and better then player training,, maybe its just time for the forwards to catch up??? also dont forget before your goalie average height was 5ft 8 not it is over 6 ft,, should we make rules saying your goalie cant be over 6 ft tall?? basicly you want more goals play harder and figure out a better way of scoring,,, its time players progress and not goalies regress!

Pasty
PuckNuts Posted - 12/07/2007 : 16:11:49
quote:
Originally posted by Greg Smith

Hey guys, I'm back.
To increase scoring all you have to do is let the players have illegal curves, actually if the NHL let them, I guess they would'nt be illegal anymore. That way, you'd have playmaker sticks, the old fashioned ones and the new, goal scoring sticks. That way, every 10 games, the games would'nt be stopped because a coach thinks that Kovalchuk is using a stick that has too much of a bend.



If I remember correctly the curve was increased from 1/2" to 3/4".

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?articleid=280809&page=NewsPage&service=page

I watch at least three games or more per week if time permits, and I have never seen a coach this season ask for a stick measurement...

That is usually a playoff move...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan


PuckNuts Posted - 12/07/2007 : 16:05:25
quote:
Originally posted by nashvillepreds

Unless you want Luongo officially retiring from hockey, I would'nt make the pads any smaller.



Luongo said that he would not play if they made the nets larger...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan


PuckNuts Posted - 12/07/2007 : 16:04:32
You can come up with 1,000 ideas, but the problem will not be solved unless you solve the root cause...Goalie equipment is the issue, not the nets, not the trap, etc.

If you make the nets bigger the goalies will make their equipment bigger, have you solved the problem, NO...

If you only allow 4 players in side your own zone, then the offensive team will only put four in, and one on the cherry picker, is the problem solved, NO...

I know goalies cry when you say make their equipment smaller, "I will get hurt...boohoo". Come on you can't feel a thing the equipment is so big.

Reality has to set in if the NHL wants to keep up with the other top sports...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan


Beans15 Posted - 12/07/2007 : 13:10:31
I personally don't think anything is wrong with the game today either. I think what it is today is great players are still great, but average players are a little less. If that makes sense.


I am not opposed to bigger nets, within reason. A couple of inches in each directions will not even be noticable by fans. Realistically, if the net was expanded from 6'X4" to 6'4"X4'2", the surface area increases by like 10%. I would bet my life if the NHL put a larger net into the game and didn't tell anyone, the fans would not notice it visually at all.

I do like Wilson's idea as well. 4 guys in the defensive zone will also make a team choose between defending the cherry picker or pinching in. Also, think of the dump and chase opportunities for the offense. The 4 man defensive team picks up the puck and fires it down the ice. If the Cherry picker is on his horse, he could be likely to get some open scoring chances. I think you would see a lot more end to end type games.

That's really what it's about itsn't it?? The end to end action. I don't care if the game is 1-0, if it's end to end, fast paced, solid hitting action.



Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
Greg Smith Posted - 12/07/2007 : 12:34:04
Hey guys, I'm back.

To increase scoring all you have to do is let the players have illegal curves, actually if the NHL let them, I guess they would'nt be illegal anymore. That way, you'd have playmaker sticks, the old fashioned ones and the new, goal scoring sticks. That way, every 10 games, the games would'nt be stopped because a coach thinks that Kovalchuk is using a stick that has too much of a bend.
Berniefan4life Posted - 12/07/2007 : 12:19:55
As a hockey fan.. what is wrong with the sport?

5 goals in a game is more that enough...

How many games so far have had over 5 goals scored totally and how many games have had under 5... In my view the under 5 goals are way more exciting.....

What kind of sport does the public want 10 vs 16, if so watch the Toronto ROCK game. IN case TO ROCK is box Lacrosse..

Flyers Fan since age 5
nashvillepreds Posted - 12/07/2007 : 12:14:54
Unless you want Luongo officially retiring from hockey, I would'nt make the pads any smaller.

Ellis or Mason?

Go Preds Go!

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