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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/21/2008 : 12:17:28
Ok before you go nuts read..... so i tune in to 990 today and hear to men talking about the d men team Canada should select for 2010,,, both man agreed Chris Progner was number 1 yadda yadda then one of the men who i didn;t catch his name (he was from sportsnet) went on to say Souray should be on the team..... now the other broadcasters questioned this but quickly moved on to Dion Phaneuf the guy from sportsnet quickly said no way! Phaneuf should not be considerd he is far to poor in his own and and defensivly............ now i can accept someone makeing the argument that dion makes mistakes in his own end and we should have a tighter defensive team,,, but to suggest souray makes less mistakes than phaneuf and could possibly crack the top 6 let alone the top 20 canadian d men???? this broadcaster should be out of a job!!
Pasty |
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| Odin |
Posted - 01/26/2009 : 11:17:53
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Originally posted by Thrasher
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Originally posted by Beans15
And remember, I said if the tournament started today. If that was the case, my top 6 d-men for Canada would be
Pronger - Weber
Green - Boyle
Souray - Campbell
Phaneuf, Neidermayer, and Redder would be next in line.
If you meant Redden which im sure you did, i must disagree. I think Redden is garbage, but thats just my opinion. However to say that Boyle would make the team over Phaneuf seems to be a stretch. Maybe i am a fanboy of Dion, but to be that young and skilled at the defensive position is a rarity in the NHL. And Cambell over Phanuef? Maybe i give Dion too much credit but i thought he deserved more respect than that.(Nothing against Cambell, just don't know if he belongs their).
WHAT????
They are not playing on olympic size ice, that sucks. Half the fun of watching olympic games is that the game is faster with less interference through the neutral zone. That sucks, i wonder if it is because of the economic problem...
A little off the subject, but I have to disagree. The NHL sized rinks make for a much more intense game, with little dead ice. That is why Sweden is now talking about going to the NHL size rink, they too think it makes for better hockey. And about the interference, while it will never be 100% removed, it is waaay better now then it was. |
| Guest8116 |
Posted - 01/26/2009 : 10:50:04
I watched souray score two goals in the allstar game, but i couldn't see phenuf out there , oh ya he didn't make it
weird |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 01/04/2009 : 05:45:01
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Guest0404
and give proof please
ok i've made my list as my list stands Souray is my 27th Canadian born D man now i am not going to give proof for every single player pick the ones you think dont belong ahead of Souray and i will make a case for why they are,,(this list is in Alphabetical order and not best to worst)
Beauchemin, Blake, Bouwmeester, Boyle, Brewer, Burns, Campbell, Green, Foot, Hannnan, Jovanovski, Jackman, Keith, Letang, Mccabe, Mitchell, Niedermayer, Phaneuf, Phillips, Prongner, Regehr, Redden, Seabrook, Smith, Staal, Ryan Suter, Vlasic,,,,,, the only thing Souray can do better than these guys is put up points and impersonate a cone but everyone of these players has a better first pass and is better in their own end which may i add is what a defenseman is suppose to do DEFEND!
Pasty
Beauchemin, Bouwmeester, Brewer, Hannan, Jovanovski, Jackman, Keith, Letang, Mitchell, Phaneuf,Chillips, Regehr, Redden, Seabrook, Smith, Staal, Suter, Vlasic.... None of these D-men are better than Souray in any way shape or form. I don't like Souray much but there is no denying that he is one of the best d men offensively and defensively.... It's supposed to be Canadian D-Men Suter is American |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 01/04/2009 : 05:35:13
Souray is way better than Phaneuf that's for sure |
| rollingrocks |
Posted - 12/05/2008 : 15:49:29
As much as I liked watching Souray when he was here in Montreal, he's out of his league in the Olympics. His play in his own end is scary. He was terrible is the world championships a few years ago. Near the end of the tournament he became the 7th defenceman and got just a few token shifts in the game.
he's got lots of heart and grit though. gotta admire that..
.....beats being a Leafs fan!! |
| fanoleaf |
Posted - 12/02/2008 : 16:49:53
Both are good d-men for Canada. But come on Souray over Phanuef..... NO way!!! Phanuef is more of a presence. Souray will liekly make the team but the only way it will be over Phanuef, is if Dion is injured. |
| Axey |
Posted - 12/02/2008 : 11:02:17
I'm still amazed at this post, Souray over Phaneuf. Phaneuf one of our prized posessions on D here in Canada. He is monster, Souray very well could make this team but he will not take Dion's spot it will be a lower Dman like Burns or someone.
Chicago Blackhawks GM
Jesus didn't tap. |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 12/02/2008 : 00:53:12
quote:
Originally posted by memo99
smith,foote,hannan, letang,mitchell and stall their not even top 4 defensmen
Not only is Mitchell a 4 defenceman he is a numer 1 defensive dman, he is tied for the top +/- in the leugue for defencemen and has played extremly well so far this year, he deserves some credit, he won't be on team Canada because they will take D who have more offence in them but Willie is proving to be one of the best shutdown D in the league right now.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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| Thrasher |
Posted - 12/01/2008 : 21:36:02
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
And remember, I said if the tournament started today. If that was the case, my top 6 d-men for Canada would be
Pronger - Weber
Green - Boyle
Souray - Campbell
Phaneuf, Neidermayer, and Redder would be next in line.
If you meant Redden which im sure you did, i must disagree. I think Redden is garbage, but thats just my opinion. However to say that Boyle would make the team over Phaneuf seems to be a stretch. Maybe i am a fanboy of Dion, but to be that young and skilled at the defensive position is a rarity in the NHL. And Cambell over Phanuef? Maybe i give Dion too much credit but i thought he deserved more respect than that.(Nothing against Cambell, just don't know if he belongs their).
WHAT????
They are not playing on olympic size ice, that sucks. Half the fun of watching olympic games is that the game is faster with less interference through the neutral zone. That sucks, i wonder if it is because of the economic problem... |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/26/2008 : 18:28:49
School's in boys!
All of you who think that the 2010 Olympics will be played on Olympic sized ice should read this:
Canadian Press
6/7/2006 6:41:33 PM
VANCOUVER (CP) - The Vancouver Olympic Organizing Committee announced Wednesday that the men's and women's ice hockey competition at the 2010 Games will be played on an NHL-sized ice surface.
The announcement came at the conclusion of a two-day visit from the International Olympic Committee.
Vanoc estimates that it will save $10 million by using the smaller NHL ice because it won't have to make changes to arenas like GM Place, the home of the Vancouver Canucks.
International Ice Hockey Federation president Rene Fasel attended the meetings and called it a ''tough decision'' but said he supports it.
NHL rinks carry dimensions of 200 feet by 85 feet. International ice surfaces carry an additional 15 feet in width.
It will be the first time the smaller surface will be used in Olympic competition.
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| Guest4910 |
Posted - 11/25/2008 : 12:20:59
This year, Souray is a better defenseman than Phaneuf after 20 games. All the previous years, Phaneuf is better. But overall, I think neither should be picked for 2010 because there are at least 6 defense(Pronger, Neidermayer, Campbell, Burns, Green, Weber, Keith, Bouwmeester) who should be better on a big international ice rink. Souray was so awful in MTL because he played a lot the puck instead of the man, but I watched some Oilers' games this year, and what a different player, I want him back in MTL!! |
| Guest2740 |
Posted - 11/25/2008 : 11:52:59
Ok well now were just arguing Souray's skill. He is an alright player, that holds really no value to a team other than a good shot. Nothing else stands out to me. The only time i ever notice him out on the ice is winding up to rip a slap shot or looking like a fool in his own zone because some nobody is getting around him with ease. The argument is Phaneuf or Souray for 2010. And its Phaneuf, hands down. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/25/2008 : 06:51:36
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by Guest0404
lmao was that a list a joke or serious haha watch a game souray is a beast. Just because hes not laying people out all the time doesn't mean he sucks defensivly and when he does lay someone out is it ever sweet. please tell me your a leaf fan for putting mccabe on that list or i don't even no but rest but wow good stuff i called your bluff unless your serious....?
watch hockey and not highlights souray is sh it,, , like i said take away his shot he has nothing else all the d men i listed including guys like Mccabe can at least skate at the nhl level souray's skateing is poor even by AHL standards,, you cant honestly think souray, look at souray's replacement in mtl Roman Hamirlik and look at the wonders it did for mtl's defense the habs with souray were one of the poorest defensive teams in the league they mad etwo changes the following year Hamirlik and josh georges name me one thing souray can do besides shooot the puck???? i don't get it he cant skate,,, he doesn;t hit well either mostly because he cant keep up to the forwards in the league the only quality souray has other than his shot is his charactor he is a stand up guy and a great guy in the locker room other than that like i said 8 to 10 min of ice time mostly powerplay he is worth nothing else
Pasty
Maybe in Montreal, but seriously, he has improved significantly in Edmonton, and specifically this season. He leads Edmonton in ice time, spends more time on the PK than any other Oiler, is third on the team in +/- and is 2nd in team scoring.
If it was last year or the time with Montreal, I would completely agree with you. Obviously, you have not watched much Oilers games outside of highlights yourself or you would know that you are totally off base by what you are saying. Souray is playing very solid defensively, skating well, and even jumping up in the play and being able to get back to his end to defend.
I am not going to continue arguing this. Seriously, the Edmonton game on Wednesday is on TSN. Spend the time and watch the game. Tell me if it's the same Souray you watched in Montreal. I will be shocked if you say it is.
this i will admitt i watched souray for years here in montreal and as you said we are all aware of his performance last season (though he was hurt) i will take your word for it now because living on the east coast i do not catch many oiler games,, but 20 games still doesn;t put him much higher by my standards,, now if he keeps it up all 82 games i;'ll tip my hat and admit im wrong
Pasty |
| Guest0410 |
Posted - 11/24/2008 : 19:32:21
actually i watched practically everygame edmonton played this year besides maybe 2-3 and i can tell you souray is one of the few bright spots of this year in an underachieving team that should be doing alot better. sure his defensive game did suck in montreal no jokes and montreal did the right thing they wanted a fast moving team and a player like souray wasn't ment for the team once they got played like georges playing upto potential. If he can't skate why is he the best pk pp 5on5 def the oilers have this year even lubo got nothing on souray only one I could think is playing better defensivly is staios, plus you say he doesn't hit well i wish i could find some of big hits hes already had this year but hey its cool ill let your eyes do the watching wednesday and you tell me if souray only worth 10mins a game haha |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/24/2008 : 18:42:25
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Originally posted by Pasty7
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0404
lmao was that a list a joke or serious haha watch a game souray is a beast. Just because hes not laying people out all the time doesn't mean he sucks defensivly and when he does lay someone out is it ever sweet. please tell me your a leaf fan for putting mccabe on that list or i don't even no but rest but wow good stuff i called your bluff unless your serious....?
watch hockey and not highlights souray is sh it,, , like i said take away his shot he has nothing else all the d men i listed including guys like Mccabe can at least skate at the nhl level souray's skateing is poor even by AHL standards,, you cant honestly think souray, look at souray's replacement in mtl Roman Hamirlik and look at the wonders it did for mtl's defense the habs with souray were one of the poorest defensive teams in the league they mad etwo changes the following year Hamirlik and josh georges name me one thing souray can do besides shooot the puck???? i don't get it he cant skate,,, he doesn;t hit well either mostly because he cant keep up to the forwards in the league the only quality souray has other than his shot is his charactor he is a stand up guy and a great guy in the locker room other than that like i said 8 to 10 min of ice time mostly powerplay he is worth nothing else
Pasty
Maybe in Montreal, but seriously, he has improved significantly in Edmonton, and specifically this season. He leads Edmonton in ice time, spends more time on the PK than any other Oiler, is third on the team in +/- and is 2nd in team scoring.
If it was last year or the time with Montreal, I would completely agree with you. Obviously, you have not watched much Oilers games outside of highlights yourself or you would know that you are totally off base by what you are saying. Souray is playing very solid defensively, skating well, and even jumping up in the play and being able to get back to his end to defend.
I am not going to continue arguing this. Seriously, the Edmonton game on Wednesday is on TSN. Spend the time and watch the game. Tell me if it's the same Souray you watched in Montreal. I will be shocked if you say it is. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/24/2008 : 16:18:43
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0404
lmao was that a list a joke or serious haha watch a game souray is a beast. Just because hes not laying people out all the time doesn't mean he sucks defensivly and when he does lay someone out is it ever sweet. please tell me your a leaf fan for putting mccabe on that list or i don't even no but rest but wow good stuff i called your bluff unless your serious....?
watch hockey and not highlights souray is sh it,, , like i said take away his shot he has nothing else all the d men i listed including guys like Mccabe can at least skate at the nhl level souray's skateing is poor even by AHL standards,, you cant honestly think souray, look at souray's replacement in mtl Roman Hamirlik and look at the wonders it did for mtl's defense the habs with souray were one of the poorest defensive teams in the league they mad etwo changes the following year Hamirlik and josh georges name me one thing souray can do besides shooot the puck???? i don't get it he cant skate,,, he doesn;t hit well either mostly because he cant keep up to the forwards in the league the only quality souray has other than his shot is his charactor he is a stand up guy and a great guy in the locker room other than that like i said 8 to 10 min of ice time mostly powerplay he is worth nothing else
Pasty |
| Guest0404 |
Posted - 11/24/2008 : 14:02:10
lmao was that a list a joke or serious haha watch a game souray is a beast. Just because hes not laying people out all the time doesn't mean he sucks defensivly and when he does lay someone out is it ever sweet. please tell me your a leaf fan for putting mccabe on that list or i don't even no but rest but wow good stuff i called your bluff unless your serious....? |
| Guest2748 |
Posted - 11/24/2008 : 12:44:19
Phaneuf is easily the better defenceman..How many times have u seen Souray get brutally deked and looked silly, example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hy0pXTnx85Q
Yes he posses a good shot, but thats not the main role of a defence. Phaneuf can be useful on a powerplay and he has a defensive mind. However a downside to Phaneuf is that he does like to play the body and go for the open ice check, and an international rink is larger than an NHL rink making this a lot harder. Phaneuf has more heart and seems like he would play harder knowing hes representing his country, while Souray would be giving it all not to get hurt. |
| memo99 |
Posted - 11/24/2008 : 12:35:39
pasty7 i'm glad your not the gm for the 2010 olympics as you know very little about how hockey is played,if a defenceman is suppost to defend then why on your list do you have mccabe,redden,boyle campbell and greene,they are all offensive defenseman and there job is to move the puck up the ice to the fowards and start an attack, this is one of the most important aspects of the game,this is where souray falls into ,and as for smith,foote,hannan, letang,mitchell and stall their not even top 4 defensmen and their names sure as hell won't even be mention for the 2010 olympics. i agree with beans7 on most of his picks with pronger,weber,greene and phaneuf as lock ins with souray,burns,boumeester,jovanovski,boyle and campbell all fighting for the last 2 spots. do me a favor pasty and do some research on the nhl before you give an opinion on something you have no idea what you are talking about! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/24/2008 : 12:03:48
My point was not that Souray should be there over Phaneuf. My point was simply that the guy is not as horrible as Pasty has made him out to be and that the sportscaster that was talking about Souray was not out to lunch. I'm not out here saying Souray should be there. My point was that to this point in the season, Souray has outperformed Phaneuf. Nothing to do with my heart or who I like better. I personally would prefer Phaneuf on my team, or most other teams based on his mobility over Souray. But, you can not argue the fact that Souray has outperformed Phaneuf through 20 games.
And to put Souray as #27 in the league might be more like it. #27 in Canada, that is a complete Joke! Letang, Mitchell, Seabrook, Vlasic, Jackman??? At least Half that list is garbage. That is a complete joke. Maybe watch a couple of Oiler games this year and specifically watch Souray. To put him at #27 is completely ignorant.
And to DEFEND???? Phaneuf is not a great DEFENDER at all. Just because he can hit?? Most people who watch the sport could and would very easily put Souray and Phaneuf in the same defensive class. Most in the same offensive class as well. Ultimately, the only areas that Phaneuf is better than Souray is mobility and hitting. Souray is as good as Phaneuf in everything else. Phaneuf is also younger witch would put him ahead of Souray on most lists. Phaneuf will still improve and get better. Souray is right now about as good as he is going to get.
If you can't admit or see that, it is not me who is picking with their heart.
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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/24/2008 : 06:58:50
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0404
and give proof please
ok i've made my list as my list stands Souray is my 27th Canadian born D man now i am not going to give proof for every single player pick the ones you think dont belong ahead of Souray and i will make a case for why they are,,(this list is in Alphabetical order and not best to worst)
Beauchemin, Blake, Bouwmeester, Boyle, Brewer, Burns, Campbell, Green, Foot, Hannnan, Jovanovski, Jackman, Keith, Letang, Mccabe, Mitchell, Niedermayer, Phaneuf, Phillips, Prongner, Regehr, Redden, Seabrook, Smith, Staal, Ryan Suter, Vlasic,,,,,, the only thing Souray can do better than these guys is put up points and impersonate a cone but everyone of these players has a better first pass and is better in their own end which may i add is what a defenseman is suppose to do DEFEND!
Pasty |
| Guest0404 |
Posted - 11/23/2008 : 14:37:24
and give proof please |
| Guest0404 |
Posted - 11/23/2008 : 14:32:02
name 30 canadian defence that are better than souray |
| Guest4735 |
Posted - 11/23/2008 : 13:35:50
Ya they start in a year, room for both of them to improve or get worse... |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/23/2008 : 05:46:22
quote:
Originally posted by leigh
Ah Beans, Beans, Beans. But the Olympics don't start today. So I think you need to look at more than the microcosm that is the last 20 games.
I think that there is a reason that 90% of hockey fans, coaches, and execs would choose Phaneuf; he's better. If this discussion had happened last year, before Soouray was an Oiler, you would choose Phaneuf too. I think you might be the one choosing with your heart 
exactly we're talking 20 games,, i'll bet my hat souray is at least -15 to -20 by the end of the year,, top 20 canadian defender? i'll say it again maybe top 30.......
Pasty |
| leigh |
Posted - 11/22/2008 : 17:50:51
Ah Beans, Beans, Beans. But the Olympics don't start today. So I think you need to look at more than the microcosm that is the last 20 games.
I think that there is a reason that 90% of hockey fans, coaches, and execs would choose Phaneuf; he's better. If this discussion had happened last year, before Souray was an Oiler, you would choose Phaneuf too. I think you might be the one choosing with your heart |
| Guest6723 |
Posted - 11/22/2008 : 11:05:16
haha beans beat me to it i was just about to post the stats on how souray is beating phaneuf in every stat on a worst team |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/22/2008 : 09:12:30
OK guys, before you go all crazy and knock the crap out of Souray; he is a completely different player this year (so far.) I was so disappointed with him last season and was almost happy when he was out of the line up.
HOWEVER, from watching all but one Oiler game this season so far, he is without question the Oilers MVP through the first 20 games. It's not even close. AND, try thinking logically and honestly for a second. Based on their CURRENT play this season, anyone who would pick Phaneuf over Souray is picking with their heart, not their head.
Though 20 games, Souray has outperformed Phaneuf in every statistically offensive category (goals, assists, points, PP, SH), has a better +/- (on a team with a lesser record), Souray has 9 giveaways and 11 takeaways vs. Phaneuf's 22 giveaways any only 4 take aways. Phaneuf has blocked 10 more shots and has dolled out double the hits. Phaneuf does log more minutes. Also, Souray has exceeded Phaneuf offensively playing in fewer games, less minutes per game, spending more time on the PK and less time on the PP.
Now, before going off and freaking out on me, think about it for one second. If you were picking the team TODAY for a 2 week tournament, who do you pick between Phaneuf and Souray?? I know that most would pick Phaneuf without even giving it a thought, but it's a harder choice than you might think. You have to look at what each one brings to the table and how they would fit in with the rest of the D-men. Both are not the greatest defensively. Phaneuf brings a little more mobility, but that is an area of the game that Souray has improved significantly this season. Although Phaneuf is no slouch, Souray is the most dangerous defenseman Canada can put on the ice on the PP.
And remember, I said if the tournament started today. If that was the case, my top 6 d-men for Canada would be
Pronger - Weber
Green - Boyle
Souray - Campbell
Phaneuf, Neidermayer, and Redder would be next in line.
Ultimately, we are arguing something that most hockey fans of other countries do not have the luxury of arguing. Finland, Sweden, Russia, the Czech Republic and the US do not match up defensemen against Canada at all. Actually, the Czech Republic would more than likely be the closest. But there are literally 20 guys from Canada that could make the Olympic squad. The 2nd 6 defensemen from Canada who will not make the team would match up against pretty much every other country out there.
And to say that Souray isn't a top 20 defenseman in Canada is completely ridiculous!
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| Axey |
Posted - 11/22/2008 : 08:41:28
Dion will be on the team, Souray will not. That is ridiculous for Souray to be on it, he is on the highlight reels for all the wrong reasons. On the recieving end of a sick goal usually.
Chicago Blackhawks GM
Jesus didn't tap. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/22/2008 : 06:51:17
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Originally posted by Guest8815
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Originally posted by Pasty7
Ok before you go nuts read..... so i tune in to 990 today and hear to men talking about the d men team Canada should select for 2010,,, both man agreed Chris Progner was number 1 yadda yadda then one of the men who i didn;t catch his name (he was from sportsnet) went on to say Souray should be on the team..... now the other broadcasters questioned this but quickly moved on to Dion Phaneuf the guy from sportsnet quickly said no way! Phaneuf should not be considerd he is far to poor in his own and and defensivly............ now i can accept someone makeing the argument that dion makes mistakes in his own end and we should have a tighter defensive team,,, but to suggest souray makes less mistakes than phaneuf and could possibly crack the top 6 let alone the top 20 canadian d men???? this broadcaster should be out of a job!!
Pasty
You don't think Souray is Top 20? Give your head a shake bro. yes no where near the caliber of Phaneuf, that's complete ludicrous, but he's for sure in the Top 20 of Canada's D-Men. Maybe not defensively, but there ain't nothing wrong with an offensive D-Man.
the only offensive d man i can accept is one who can take care of his own end souray cant for every goal he score he gives up 5 to 6 quality scoring chances and this is not an exageration i've seen him play day in day out for years and was extatic when i learned he didn;t sighn back with the habs i wouldn't pay sheldon souray more than 1 million a year and he would only see a regular shift if we were up by at least 2 he would be my shooter on the pp and see maybe 2 shifts even strength the guy is a horrid defender!
Pasty |
| Guest8815 |
Posted - 11/21/2008 : 19:23:44
quote:
Originally posted by Pasty7
Ok before you go nuts read..... so i tune in to 990 today and hear to men talking about the d men team Canada should select for 2010,,, both man agreed Chris Progner was number 1 yadda yadda then one of the men who i didn;t catch his name (he was from sportsnet) went on to say Souray should be on the team..... now the other broadcasters questioned this but quickly moved on to Dion Phaneuf the guy from sportsnet quickly said no way! Phaneuf should not be considerd he is far to poor in his own and and defensivly............ now i can accept someone makeing the argument that dion makes mistakes in his own end and we should have a tighter defensive team,,, but to suggest souray makes less mistakes than phaneuf and could possibly crack the top 6 let alone the top 20 canadian d men???? this broadcaster should be out of a job!!
Pasty
You don't think Souray is Top 20? Give your head a shake bro. yes no where near the caliber of Phaneuf, that's complete ludicrous, but he's for sure in the Top 20 of Canada's D-Men. Maybe not defensively, but there ain't nothing wrong with an offensive D-Man. |
| Guest6723 |
Posted - 11/21/2008 : 19:13:29
well if souray keeps playing like he is right now he definity would deserve it |
| leigh |
Posted - 11/21/2008 : 12:40:19
While Phaneuf certainly goes out of his way to make a big hit with ocassionally poor consequences, Souray is a defensive liability a lot more often I think. to support this, look at their career plus/minus, Souray is consistently in the negative.
Having said that, I don't think you'd have either of these guys on your team as defensive defensemen. They are there to scare the hell out of guys and score goals on the PP. Offensively they're about even I would think.
Oh, one more thing to keep in mind...Souray is very injury prone.
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