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| DangleFest89 |
Posted - 12/20/2008 : 22:00:26
After watching tonights game and listening to Cherrys speal on Devereux not wanting to fight Goddard but fighting Fedontenko what are you thoughts?
I think it was patheic from a NHL players perspective but really smart in a coaches perspective. On the positive got them a powerplay which they eventually scored and also it killed any chance of momentum Penguins were trying to get. On the negative it was a sean avery like move talk s*** and eventually fight a guy who likes fights once a year or even that? even throughout the game the leafs talk s*** and didn't fire back when a fight was bound to happened. The question right now is if the leafs are going to play like that why not add Sean Avery he loves the media and more people like myself can hate the Leafs even more;) |
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| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 12/24/2008 : 12:23:02
players still do fight when they're angry. how about every time somebody fought Avery?, but alot of the time its because of the heat of the moment or to get they're teamed energized and play harder.
but the stupid thing is when people fight when they're team is winning. im going to use Andre Deveaux from the leafs as an example. the other night i think they were playing pittsburgh when tor was cleaning house someone tried to fight deveaux and he decided not too, knowing that deveaux would have gotten beat up (as usual) he didnt want the pens to build up momentum. and last night against the stars, stars were killing TOR ( thanks to our bud toskala) deveaux (out of anger) tried to fight Stevie Ott, Ott said no for fear of going off for 5 mins getting the leafs some momentum and scoring a goal, just how i and Steve Dangle see it anyway.
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Originally posted by willus3
Wow. Fighting in hockey today just baffles me. It's become an orchestrated event to appease the lust the fans seem to have to see it. It's that damn MMA influence on society.
You know, there was a time when guys fought because they were angry with one another. What a strange place the NHL has become...
"Society, have mercy on me. Hope you're not angry if I disagree." - Jerry Hannan
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| willus3 |
Posted - 12/24/2008 : 07:16:47
Wow. Fighting in hockey today just baffles me. It's become an orchestrated event to appease the lust the fans seem to have to see it. It's that damn MMA influence on society.
You know, there was a time when guys fought because they were angry with one another. What a strange place the NHL has become...
"Society, have mercy on me. Hope you're not angry if I disagree." - Jerry Hannan |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 12/24/2008 : 03:45:55
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Originally posted by irvine
Hrm, so after watching the video you posted Porkchop...
I see two people, tangled with eachother and then Devereux throwing the first hits...
So unless the camera was not on Fedotenko throwing the fists first, I guess Devereux made the first punch, even though it may have been Fedotenko who grabbed ahold first.
In honesty though, it doesn't much matter to me. I feel that if you want to put your hands on somebody, no matter who, prepare to knocked out.
Irvine
At the start of the clip the camera has not caught up to the fight, they replay the start of the fight at the end of the clip, where you will clearly see Fedetenko drop the gloves and take two shots before Deveaux drops them. |
| irvine |
Posted - 12/23/2008 : 18:30:39
Hrm, so after watching the video you posted Porkchop...
I see two people, tangled with eachother and then Devereux throwing the first hits...
So unless the camera was not on Fedotenko throwing the fists first, I guess Devereux made the first punch, even though it may have been Fedotenko who grabbed ahold first.
In honesty though, it doesn't much matter to me. I feel that if you want to put your hands on somebody, no matter who, prepare to knocked out.
Irvine |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 12/22/2008 : 16:06:51
Danglefest,
You are either too young to have watched as much hockey as some of us, or you are simply looking to stir the pot.. Find me an example of a 'tough guy' who has NEVER skated away from a challenge on occasion, then you may have a point, until then...
As often as not, you'll see scrappers skate away and pick a more apprporiate time to tie up, with the game at the stage it was, it was a very smart hockey move for Deveaux, and I'm guessing if Godard didnt' go Grimson for a sec, and get himself tossed, they probably would have went later. WATCH the footage, please! Fedotenko did everything except ask for a puch in the face, before Deveaux had no choice but swing away, even then, he clearly could have pounded the silly Russkie, but instead, gave him a couple 'how you doin's' then held him away and down until the refs saved his arse...
Again, find me an example of a tough who NEVER ever skated away from a challenge, you' ll be hard pressed I bet. |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 12/22/2008 : 14:49:40
Thank you Beans, well said but I was getting worried about where you were going with the fat chick thing. (everyone has been the wingman at one time or another). One thing about the wingman code - if your buddy goes home with the hot chick, under no circumstance do you go home with the fat chick!!!! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/22/2008 : 12:12:11
I think there are some people that are confused about the "Code" in hockey. Perhaps I am the one that is confused, we will soon find out.
Here's the thing, the "Code" in hockey has nothing to do with having to fight someone just because they want to. Case in point, this kid from Toronto doesn't have to fight Godard just because Godard wants to dance.
Think of it this way, there is a "Guy Code" that myself and my friends have lived by for years. Part of that code is that every once in a while you need to "take one for the team." That means if you are at a bar or club and your buddy is trying to hook up with some chick, you have to try to dance with her friend. Most of the time, taking one for the team means the chick is ugly or fat. That's part of the code. You take one for the team so your buddy can score with the hot chick because next time, you get the hot chick and your buddy gets the fatty.
I bring this up for a specific reason. The guy code is that you dance with the fat chick when you buddy is chasing her friend. That code doesn't mean you have to dance with any fat chick that wants to.
Very much like the Code in Hockey. In my humble opinion, the code has other components, such as:
1) You Run the other teams goalie.
2) You lose control of your stick and hit someone
3) You lay a dirty hit
4) The opposition lays a dirty hit
5) You intentionally hit someone with your stick
6) There is a scrum and everyone is squaring off.
If these things happen, yep, you gotta drop your gloves with who ever is in front of you. Some you might win and some you might loose, but those are the times when you have to dance with the fat chick even if your buddy isn't chasing her friend.
That's the code.
And, as one of the most vocal Leaf Hater's on this site, I can very easily say that this kid in TO did not have to dance with Godard and that Fedotenko came in looking for the fight. The kid TO broke no part of what I consider the code.
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| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 12/22/2008 : 11:55:06
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Originally posted by DangleFest89
Exactly why have fighters on your team if they don't fight right there just there to play like Avery, and fight non fighters and make other team take dumb pentalies with there own fighters. Oh wait thats what Deveaux did exactly as Avery, same with Hagman he even did it to Crosby as much as I hate Crosby even more than the Leafs it was sad from a fans perspective. But then again you leafs fans have always been doing that throughout the years what would make you change your minds now. Heres to Burkes screwing your team over for another 20 years cheers.
You are assuming I am leafs fan, please do not insult other fine players like Hagman by saying he is like Avery. In fact there is no one else like Avery. Most players abide by the code in the game. A few do not, like Avery, Ruuttu, Hollweg. Avery got his handed to him by the league and the players, Hollweg seems to have gotten a little smarter, and I don't know if Ruuttu will smarten up but neither were near as unethical as Avery, in fact no one in the league is as unethical as Avery. Stop your comparison to him, it is lunacy to do so. The unwritten code between players was in effect in this, there was just fustration on the part of the penguins for bringing such a poor effort out on HNIC. |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 12/22/2008 : 10:40:53
Dangle, you dont have a freaking clue as to what your talking about. Sloz and porkchop are completley right. The Leafs were in complete control of the game, godard was trying to swing the momentum in the pens favour by trying to fight Deveaux. Wilson had told devaux not to fight because it wasnt in the teams best interest to fight at that time. who cares if cherry didnt like it? hes not the coach of the team.
Fedotenko had a death wish at the end of the game. Why he would want to fight down 7-3 with only a couple minutes left is beyond me. deveaux didnt even want to fight him until fedotenko starting throwing punches.
The leafs played smart, the pens were desperate to get back in the game. nuff said
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| DangleFest89 |
Posted - 12/22/2008 : 09:17:37
Exactly why have fighters on your team if they don't fight right there just there to play like Avery, and fight non fighters and make other team take dumb pentalies with there own fighters. Oh wait thats what Deveaux did exactly as Avery, same with Hagman he even did it to Crosby as much as I hate Crosby even more than the Leafs it was sad from a fans perspective. But then again you leafs fans have always been doing that throughout the years what would make you change your minds now. Heres to Burkes screwing your team over for another 20 years cheers. |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 12/22/2008 : 05:03:52
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Originally posted by pensfan17
I still don't understand what you are trying to say porkchop and slozo. Porkchop, when you say Godard didn't even want to drop the gloves that much, he did drop the gloves and fed Deveaux a couple shots. And supposively Deveaux needed to defend himself from Fedetenko, but it is not necessary when Godard is punching him. I'm definately not putting him in the Avery category, but it still was a completely classless move.
I am assuming you are referring to about halfway through the third period when Godard takes the cheap shot crosscheck then classlessly tries to goat Deveaux into the fight. How about early in the third when Deveaux came into the scrum and Godard wanted nothing to do with it. Deveaux was not classless, he did not talk smack, he actually was smart in not taking the penalty. Godard ends up with 2 and a 10, taking his physical presence out of the game. Slozo point is clear also, why let the high powered pens back in the game by retaliating when there is no need. The enforcer is to help the team, not hurt it. Godard did not help his team in this situation. To call Deveaux classless or Avery like is not an accurate nor justified comment to make for this particular incident. |
| pensfan17 |
Posted - 12/21/2008 : 17:57:29
I still don't understand what you are trying to say porkchop and slozo. Porkchop, when you say Godard didn't even want to drop the gloves that much, he did drop the gloves and fed Deveaux a couple shots. And supposively Deveaux needed to defend himself from Fedetenko, but it is not necessary when Godard is punching him. I'm definately not putting him in the Avery category, but it still was a completely classless move. |
| DangleFest89 |
Posted - 12/21/2008 : 11:09:33
I knew you were going to say im biased cuz I hate the leafs but really even if my Oilers did this i would be disgusted and question there heart to play in the NHL sure Huggy Bear may not be the best fighter but atleast he fights other fighters not russians or rookies I guess you leafs are used to picking on the smaller guys didn't tucker like fight patrick eaves lol |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/21/2008 : 10:59:12
if you want to see the best example of the code laraque vs. peters last night peters losese his balance raight at the begining of the fight and laraque is well positioned to just go to town on his face but laraque just holds on and alows peters to get back to his feet and once peters get up laraque goes back to swinging,, it was really an example of the code and a great example of maybe not the best fighter in the league anymore but by far the classiest.....
Pasty |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 12/21/2008 : 10:02:12
Dangle , really, take off the mirrored visor when watching the game, your hatred for the leafs is clearly blocking your ability to watch them unbiasedly. Deveaux was smart, unlike Avery, and if you want I will post a link for the whole game and show you there was no talking smack. Is Deveaux an enforcer, yah, but like one of the best enforcer in the league says "I only fight when I have to" . Actually don't know if those were his words exactly but why don't you sober up and ask Georges Laraque if that is what he said. |
| DangleFest89 |
Posted - 12/21/2008 : 08:07:22
hmmm a Avery move talking s*** then letting guy get pentaly then later fighting a guy that never fights in his career yeah Deveaux didn't do that tonight righttttttt? your argument is that Fedontenko threw the first punches and Goddard didn't lol he even waited for him to get up lol and kept shoving him. Even Sidney Crybaby got a pentaly when Hagman was talking s***. My point why even have an Enforcer if hes not going to fight against other Enforcers.
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| pokermatt12 |
Posted - 12/21/2008 : 07:45:32
How 'bout that how many guys would like to see a fight between Cherry and Wilson  |
| n/a |
Posted - 12/21/2008 : 07:29:42
Dead right, Porkchop!
And frankly, there isn't much of a "code" anymore, so Cherry can shut his pontificating mouth about that bull defecation. There's too much money, and most players try their best to be somewhere between two lines of conduct . . . but when it comes to a desperate team, whether it's in the playoffs or just a regular season game where the coach has threatened to bench players if he doesn't see a solid game - the players will do ANYTHING to win, it just matters how high the stakes are.
Last night, the Pens played a horrific game, Crosby was AWOL, and worse yet, Malkin was playing like an inept rookie at times with his giveaways. What was the score when Fedetenko tried to goad Devereux into something stupid? The Leaf was smarter than that, Fedetenko got frustrated and took a few free shots (stupidly, but the Pens were all making poor decisions on this night). Deveaux had to defend himself.
And Deveaux not wanting to fight Goddard? Good on him! SMART MOVE, at the time, especially when the Pens with their firepower looked to still be in it if they got a quick power play goal.
Devaux played smart hockey - not the Goon vs. Goon hockey that Cherry would have liked to see. Cherry is still sore at Wilson having the nerve to talk back at him . . . and wants to strike out at Leaf players now it seems. Where's Cherry's CODE when he can't face a man like Wilson and say stuff to his face, why does he have to be a p**** and besmirch him on national TV?
I'll tell you why - 'cause Cherry HAS NO CODE. He's a wimp at heart.
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| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 12/21/2008 : 05:57:31
Clearly some did not watch the fight. Fedetenko threw down his gloves and Deveaux let him take 3 or 4 shots before dropping his gloves. He clearly had no intention of scrapping Fedetenko until he took a couple shots, then he defended himself. If your going to make a silly statement about "Avery" like antics , get it right!
Also Godard didn't seem to want to drop the gloves that much either. Don't let the alchohol you drank skew what really happened in the game.
heres a link to watch the fight, Fedetenko does pretty good but cleary Deveaux was not wanting to scrap at the start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SSoIms9YyM
Hate the leafs all you want but call the game right!
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| pensfan17 |
Posted - 12/20/2008 : 22:36:33
He could of at least fought Cooke, or heck even Staal, but that was just pathetic. Fedetenko had fought 3 times previously in his career. |
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