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| Rambo2305 |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 05:21:56
So he's a senile old man, who played one shift in the NHL. Failed to record a point, hit, fight or even shot. So why is he qualified to pass judgment on players? Correction...if you are dense enough to listen to him, all Canadian players are god, and everyone else is s***. So Crosby isn't the best in the league, Malkin and Ovechkin battle for that title now. Rather then rag on Ovechkin, Cherry should praise him. Ovechkin scores, and when he gets hit, he hits back....harder. Unlike some players that cry to Super Mario and the ref...**cough...Crosby** If Ovechkin was born in Canada, Cherry would be willing to marry him, but because he's Russian, he's public enemy #1! As a Canadian, I'm ashamed that Cherry is even on the CBC (Tax payer funded station). Cherry's also one of the greatest Canadians ever???? WTF happened there? So Cherry should live with the fact that European players can dominate just as much as North American players, simple as that. You could go on and on about how full of s*** Cherry is, but pretty sure the servers can't handle that much.
"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win" |
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| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 05/19/2009 : 17:34:25
You know what, he is both. Racist to almost anything against hockey, visor wearing francophone players, swedes, russians, mullet haired ex coaches, glow pucks, Bettman. But he is definetly a Canadian icon as well, simply put what would HNIC be without Coach's Corner. It is something almost everyone looks forward to every Sat nite whether you like Don or not. |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 05/19/2009 : 15:03:29
Racist not so much. Old school and maybe not so politically correct, Yes. A proud canadian definately. I like Ron Mclean. My only hack on Cherry is, I dont like how he treats Ron Mclean. Ron is a well spoken knowledgable hockey person and Cherry doesn't treat him with respect(on television). I'm sure they are great friends in person and this maybe just a TV personality. |
| Guest9671 |
Posted - 05/19/2009 : 10:52:04
Personally, I get a kick outta listening to the old bugger. He's got an aura about him that is magnetic. I guess I'm not as easily offended by his on-air antics as I see alot of you 'emotional lightweights' that can't stand him, are. I'll definately miss him when he's gone from CBC's Hockey Night in Canada.
Everyone has their own take on what 'racism' actually is. The way I see it is, it's only racism if you're weak and let it get to you. The strong will rise above it all, and will prove their critics wrong, by their actions. The weak get all teary-eyed and whine in chat forums, using words (kinda like wearing a visor in hockey)lol.
Now, before all you Cherry haters get your knickers in a twist, let me set the record straight...I am east indian, born and raised in Canada. I played organised hockey through the Minor Hockey system, and senior men's hockey (yes, Ice Hockey...not grass hockey lol)
I've been called every name in the book, so I am thick-skinned to say the least. I have developed a great sense of humor over the years, and have earned the right to post my views on what racism is. Check me out on youtube if you want a good laugh. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMUdcuRBBaI
Or, search Ragdish Debut, and check out my other vids there as well. |
| Guest4243 |
Posted - 04/28/2009 : 07:58:22
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/indepth/doncherry/stories/lexicon.html
Everyone should go to the link above and read the good and the bad about Don Cherry. This "lexicon" doesn't take sides, but paints a true picture that even Cherry wouldn't deny. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 04/27/2009 : 22:12:20
quote:
Originally posted by Guest9504
Don Cherry changed the face of hockey,and not necessaily for the good.When he was in his glory days he had quotes like, there should be no checking from behind player are going to get hurt, whats wrong with a little face wash,players who fight should respect each other,shake hands after a fight , no donney brooks..now both the league and the players dont know what a penalty is , so they dreamed up new rules like retaliation penalties, which means if you rub you hand in someones face , you dont get a penalty he does, in the old days if someone gave you a face wash, you got a penalty..hitting from behind penalty, which means at the last second if you turn your back to him ,he will get a penalty..which opens up a new can of worms for the young kids coming up because they learn to turn their backs and get crushed, in the old days you learned to swoop the corners for the puck..as far as fighting goes they are now staging fights for the audience,this was never the purpose of fighting in the old days , no buddy loved their enemy, you never even thalk to your opponent...do i like ovechkin..i guess...he is everything i would want in a player on my team..he loves to score,he loves when his own players score, he hits for himself, (and does he hit) he fights for himself (ovechkin tell semin not to fight anymore) and he loves the game like no other hockey player in the game,no matter what nationality. True old style hockey. win or lose i will always be an ovechkin fan,because he plays to win the hockey game, and by the way i am canadian.
After carefully considering all of your comments, I have weighed all of the information in order to respond in a way I think is most suitable:
Huh? |
| Guest9504 |
Posted - 04/27/2009 : 06:50:22
Don Cherry changed the face of hockey,and not necessaily for the good.When he was in his glory days he had quotes like, there should be no checking from behind player are going to get hurt, whats wrong with a little face wash,players who fight should respect each other,shake hands after a fight , no donney brooks..now both the league and the players dont know what a penalty is , so they dreamed up new rules like retaliation penalties, which means if you rub you hand in someones face , you dont get a penalty he does, in the old days if someone gave you a face wash, you got a penalty..hitting from behind penalty, which means at the last second if you turn your back to him ,he will get a penalty..which opens up a new can of worms for the young kids coming up because they learn to turn their backs and get crushed, in the old days you learned to swoop the corners for the puck..as far as fighting goes they are now staging fights for the audience,this was never the purpose of fighting in the old days , no buddy loved their enemy, you never even thalk to your opponent...do i like ovechkin..i guess...he is everything i would want in a player on my team..he loves to score,he loves when his own players score, he hits for himself, (and does he hit) he fights for himself (ovechkin tell semin not to fight anymore) and he loves the game like no other hockey player in the game,no matter what nationality. True old style hockey. win or lose i will always be an ovechkin fan,because he plays to win the hockey game, and by the way i am canadian. |
| Guest9504 |
Posted - 04/27/2009 : 06:06:47
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305
So he's a senile old man, who played one shift in the NHL. Failed to record a point, hit, fight or even shot. So why is he qualified to pass judgment on players? Correction...if you are dense enough to listen to him, all Canadian players are god, and everyone else is s***. So Crosby isn't the best in the league, Malkin and Ovechkin battle for that title now. Rather then rag on Ovechkin, Cherry should praise him. Ovechkin scores, and when he gets hit, he hits back....harder. Unlike some players that cry to Super Mario and the ref...**cough...Crosby** If Ovechkin was born in Canada, Cherry would be willing to marry him, but because he's Russian, he's public enemy #1! As a Canadian, I'm ashamed that Cherry is even on the CBC (Tax payer funded station). Cherry's also one of the greatest Canadians ever???? WTF happened there? So Cherry should live with the fact that European players can dominate just as much as North American players, simple as that. You could go on and on about how full of s*** Cherry is, but pretty sure the servers can't handle that much.
"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
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| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 04/26/2009 : 14:07:01
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
Great Explanation Flyguy, Don is just a little bit full of himself and this conflicts with the fact he is getting up there in years. He has been a good embassador for the game and a Mighty Maple's supporter for the most part over many years. Sadly, I have to also admit he has become a real dinosaur and his on air demeanor where once at least interesting and amusing, has now become almost hard to watch. I especially dislike his rude manner toward Ron McLean these days. For some reason it just doesn't seem funny like it used to. I really hate to say it but I think it is pretty much time to bow out as gracefully as you can Mr. Cherry. Time waits for no one!!!
I won't disagree with this. It's accurate. |
| Antroman |
Posted - 04/26/2009 : 08:40:29
Great Explanation Flyguy, Don is just a little bit full of himself and this conflicts with the fact he is getting up there in years. He has been a good embassador for the game and a Mighty Maple's supporter for the most part over many years. Sadly, I have to also admit he has become a real dinosaur and his on air demeanor where once at least interesting and amusing, has now become almost hard to watch. I especially dislike his rude manner toward Ron McLean these days. For some reason it just doesn't seem funny like it used to. I really hate to say it but I think it is pretty much time to bow out as gracefully as you can Mr. Cherry. Time waits for no one!!! |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 04/25/2009 : 19:45:33
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
The simple fact of the matter is that HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE STYLE OF PLAY FROM DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE WORLD. That's actual. Players from Europe play a specific style (for the most part) based on their coaching. Same with different areas of Canada and the US.
He is not saying anything negative about the PEOPLE, he talks about the way people play the game.
Now, does this definition fit Don Cherry?? It does to me.
Really well put.
Like Cherry, I love a style of play that could be described as North American, and I dislike the European style of play. That is misunderstood by people who really don't know the difference, because they don't see it or don't have the background in the game to "get it".
Think CFL/NFL. If you don't like the CFL game, are you anti-Canadian? If you think 3 downs is the way to go, are you therefore anti-American?
The problem is that the North American and the European game are often in conflict with what guys like me call "the code". The no-diving, no over-celebrating, no faking an injury in order to draw a penalty, no punching someone with no visor and then hiding behind yours code. Therefore, game differences appar more personal, and thus draw these ridiculous "racism" comments, again, by people who don't know enough about the different styles of the game to recognize the differences. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 04/25/2009 : 15:11:49
Let's look for just a second as the definitions (from dictionary.com)of what people are calling Don Cherry.
racist
adjective
1. based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
2. discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
noun
1. a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
big#8901;ot#8194; #8194;
–noun a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.
dis#8901;crim#8901;i#8901;na#8901;tion#8194; #8194;
–noun 1. an act or instance of discriminating.
2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
3. the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.
4. Archaic. something that serves to differentiate.
xen#8901;o#8901;pho#8901;bi#8901;a#8194;
–noun an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange.
The interesting thing behind this is that NOTHING I have ever heard Don Cherry say fits into any of these definitions.
The simple fact of the matter is that HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE STYLE OF PLAY FROM DIFFERENT AREAS OF THE WORLD. That's actual. Players from Europe play a specific style (for the most part) based on their coaching. Same with different areas of Canada and the US.
He is not saying anything negative about the PEOPLE, he talks about the way people play the game.
Now, does this definition fit Don Cherry?? It does to me.
pa#8901;tri#8901;ot#8194; #8194;
–noun 1. a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion.
2. a person who regards himself or herself as a defender, esp. of individual rights, against presumed interference by the federal government.
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| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 17:50:09
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305
So he's a senile old man, who played one shift in the NHL. Failed to record a point, hit, fight or even shot. So why is he qualified to pass judgment on players? Correction...if you are dense enough to listen to him, all Canadian players are god, and everyone else is s***. So Crosby isn't the best in the league, Malkin and Ovechkin battle for that title now. Rather then rag on Ovechkin, Cherry should praise him. Ovechkin scores, and when he gets hit, he hits back....harder. Unlike some players that cry to Super Mario and the ref...**cough...Crosby** If Ovechkin was born in Canada, Cherry would be willing to marry him, but because he's Russian, he's public enemy #1! As a Canadian, I'm ashamed that Cherry is even on the CBC (Tax payer funded station). Cherry's also one of the greatest Canadians ever???? WTF happened there? So Cherry should live with the fact that European players can dominate just as much as North American players, simple as that. You could go on and on about how full of s*** Cherry is, but pretty sure the servers can't handle that much.
"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
Cherry is not qualified to judge players because of his lack of NHL experience.
What experience do you have that makes you qualified to judge Crosby, Cherry, or anyone?
Let me answer. None.
Oh wait, I am sure you have brother in the NHL or something. Well, I have a friend in the NHL. He plays for the Wild. And he thinks you are full of crap. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 17:44:01
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6196
quote:
Originally posted by Guest1050
Racism is when you hate another race. Not another country or the people of that country. Therefore Cherry is not a racist he is xenophobic. I will wait for you to get your dictionaries. He is a true Canadian. He is put on T.V. to entertain us between periods.
Do you still have your Dictionary. Don Cherry is a bigot.
You, sir, are not qualified to judge. I could call you a bigot. Does it make it true? |
| Guest6196 |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 08:50:17
quote:
Originally posted by slozo
Fly4apuckguy - there are always more than two kinds of people. The attitude of dividing people into two groups is exactly the kind of thinking that Cherry and many others have . . .
No, Cherry wouldn't support the booing of a national anthem. But he basically supported what Bertuzzi did, insinuating that Moore asked for it by not dropping the gloves. Yes, Cherry puts in nice little speeches for the kids with tips on how to protect yourself in hockey . . . but he also condones thuggery and fighting. Yes, he spouts off on being a patriot and drapes himself in the flag and says support the troops . . . but he has made fun of french canadians on numerous occasions, there is no denying it. He says that we should stand tall and try to uphold solid behaviour . . . but he denigrates and ridicules Russians, Swedes and other europeans at every opportunity where he can get in a dig, and it often has little to do with actual hockey play.
I have watched him my whole life up until my early thirties - just because I don't watch him any more, doesn't mean I am making judgements on him as a person from "snippets" and "soundbytes".
Perhaps it is you, in fact, that needs to take a closer look at the man. Either that, or simply accept that others see what you cannot, and let them have an opinion without assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Best comments yet.
respect to slozo |
| Guest6196 |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 08:48:17
quote:
Originally posted by Guest1050
Racism is when you hate another race. Not another country or the people of that country. Therefore Cherry is not a racist he is xenophobic. I will wait for you to get your dictionaries. He is a true Canadian. He is put on T.V. to entertain us between periods.
Do you still have your Dictionary. Don Cherry is a bigot. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 06:58:42
quote:
Originally posted by slozo
Fly4apuckguy - there are always more than two kinds of people. The attitude of dividing people into two groups is exactly the kind of thinking that Cherry and many others have . . .
No, Cherry wouldn't support the booing of a national anthem. But he basically supported what Bertuzzi did, insinuating that Moore asked for it by not dropping the gloves. Yes, Cherry puts in nice little speeches for the kids with tips on how to protect yourself in hockey . . . but he also condones thuggery and fighting. Yes, he spouts off on being a patriot and drapes himself in the flag and says support the troops . . . but he has made fun of french canadians on numerous occasions, there is no denying it. He says that we should stand tall and try to uphold solid behaviour . . . but he denigrates and ridicules Russians, Swedes and other europeans at every opportunity where he can get in a dig, and it often has little to do with actual hockey play.
I have watched him my whole life up until my early thirties - just because I don't watch him any more, doesn't mean I am making judgements on him as a person from "snippets" and "soundbytes".
Perhaps it is you, in fact, that needs to take a closer look at the man. Either that, or simply accept that others see what you cannot, and let them have an opinion without assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Nah, I prefer assuming everyone who disagrees with me is ignorant. 
Seriously, though, I think the problem is that some people have not ever been around what Grapes would refer to as "old time hockey", when men were men. I understand this is a different era, but it doesn't mean he (or I) have to like it.
Everytime a European hockey player gets clipped by a little high stick and falls to the ice like he has been shot, remember this post, and ask yourself if it is real or imagined.
Do Canadians do it too? Yes, they do. Since Europeans have populated the NHL, they have.
Europeans have changed the game. Some would argue for the better. I would argue against that. They bring a soccer mentality to a sport that is more pure when played in a North American style.
Of course there are exceptions to the rule (both ways), but I'm talking in generalities.
And if you are a fan of the game, and have watched it evolve over the past 30 years as I have, you know what I (and Don) are saying is 100% correct. It just doesn't sound nice.
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| andyhack |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 06:55:38
The word "icon" really has nothing to do with whether a person does good or bad things. It's about attention/fame to a degree that stamps that person's image into people's minds forever.
No matter what side you come down on liking or not liking Cherry, there is absolutely no doubt that he is an "Canadian Icon".
I happen to like him overall. Why? He is a character, funny at times, VERY qualified to talk about hockey players having coached and taken teams very (painfully ) far a number of times in the playoffs (Rambo - your post is WAY off on that point) and basically (in my view) a good-hearted person.
Do I disagree with him a fair bit and realize that he has a dose of Archie Bunker in him? Sure! But this is far from an evil guy we are talking about. You want to call him a "racist" go ahead, but then we have to get in a whole talk about how there are racists and then there are racists.
Anyway, one day we will wake up and he will be gone. Some of you obviously won't miss him. I will.
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| Rambo2305 |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 06:35:14
MSC...you should see him from the side, not the front, he's got a nice big beer belly going lol
Racism doesn't necessarily have to be "hating another race". It's as simple as discriminating against another culture and/or race based on cultural differences or personal beliefs and values lol...racism or discrimination, similar things that can still be used to describe Cherry. All of you have to admit that he had discriminated against French Canadians, European's, and here's something that will blow this right up, has he ever focussed on non-white families? lol...if you followed him, only white kids play at the grass roots level. He would rather talk about a goon North American player over an elite scoring European any day. Give credit where credit is do. He doesn't, again, it's all about the good ol' Canadian kids. If he really wants to "guide" kids, stop teaching them to be punks on the ice and teach them to play with dignity and respect. I've seen it in Whitby, they've banned hitting in their minor league system based on the fact of too many kids getting serious injuries simply because of the whole "hit back harder" factor.
And can someone please explain why he is a Canadian Icon????
"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win" |
| MSC |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 06:22:33
I chubby guy? I'd say he's in pretty remarkable shape for a guy his age. |
| Guest1050 |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 06:07:36
Racism is when you hate another race. Not another country or the people of that country. Therefore Cherry is not a racist he is xenophobic. I will wait for you to get your dictionaries. He is a true Canadian. He is put on T.V. to entertain us between periods. |
| Rambo2305 |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 05:37:18
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6624
Disappointingly, he is both.
One other question, how is he a Canadian Icon? Your saying that we as a people, we look up to a chubby guy in crazy suits (though they are nice)? What happened to Delaire, Trudeau (with the exception of Petro Canada), Suzuki, these are people we should consider iconic...not to mention, the only reason he's on TV is because we pay him? That's right, your tax money pays the CBC, who then pay him, so we can pass as much judgment on him as we want! 
And again, respect to slozo
"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win" |
| n/a |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 05:12:55
Fly4apuckguy - there are always more than two kinds of people. The attitude of dividing people into two groups is exactly the kind of thinking that Cherry and many others have . . .
No, Cherry wouldn't support the booing of a national anthem. But he basically supported what Bertuzzi did, insinuating that Moore asked for it by not dropping the gloves. Yes, Cherry puts in nice little speeches for the kids with tips on how to protect yourself in hockey . . . but he also condones thuggery and fighting. Yes, he spouts off on being a patriot and drapes himself in the flag and says support the troops . . . but he has made fun of french canadians on numerous occasions, there is no denying it. He says that we should stand tall and try to uphold solid behaviour . . . but he denigrates and ridicules Russians, Swedes and other europeans at every opportunity where he can get in a dig, and it often has little to do with actual hockey play.
I have watched him my whole life up until my early thirties - just because I don't watch him any more, doesn't mean I am making judgements on him as a person from "snippets" and "soundbytes".
Perhaps it is you, in fact, that needs to take a closer look at the man. Either that, or simply accept that others see what you cannot, and let them have an opinion without assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest6624 |
Posted - 04/24/2009 : 02:54:34
Disappointingly, he is both. |
| fly4apuckguy |
Posted - 04/23/2009 : 22:19:53
Don Cherry would never supprt the booing of the national anthem. Neither would I, and I love Don Cherry.
There are two kinds of people: ones who understand where Cherry is coming from and who watch him all the time (and get the act), and people who only hear soundbites or read snippets in the paper and make judgements based on nothing.
He's right about a lot of stuff, including the comments people who don't pay attention call racist.
Racists don't come to tears when a French Canadian is killed in Afghanistan. Patriots do. |
| Guest4075 |
Posted - 04/23/2009 : 14:02:22
You guys are nuts. CBC has pep with Cherry, i'd hang myself if i had to listen to Pierre McGuire more than i have to already. |
| Ripley |
Posted - 04/22/2009 : 16:23:47
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4243
[brOh, and about his NHL record, do you have any concept about how difficult it is to get in the NHL? 70,000+ kids start playing hockey every year in Canada, the age range of players is from 18 - 40 more or less, so 22 years of new players times 70,000 = 1.54 million people. Only about 750 players are in the NHL. Approx 60% of them are Canadian, or 450 players. That's about 1 kid in 3,420 who start playing actually make it into the NHL. Pretty good odds, all things considered, but still exceptional for Cherry to even get one shift in the NHL. How many shifts have you had? Apparently you believe that time in the NHL = knowledge of the game, so state your credentials.
Nicely put. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 04/22/2009 : 15:22:48
Slozo, you might be right, but some people enjoy watching the Circus. There is nothing wrong with that.
And just to comment on another post. I think it was Rambo who said that (and I paraphrase) people who support Don Cherry also support the booing of the National Anthem. I don't think a single person on here supported booing the National Anthem. The one guest made the comment that the fans were booing Boston and not the Anthem, but that was the only thing even close to supporting the booing.
I don't think that statement is fair to say. Is generalizing Cherry Fan's into a negative group not the same thing that Cherry does with European players???
Pot calling the kettle black??? |
| n/a |
Posted - 04/22/2009 : 05:33:56
To all the commenters who say "turn the channel when he's on": I do that already.
Commenting on a thread where the whole point is to give your opinion and debate things like this does not preclude doing something about it in real life.
Cherry's an ass in a clownsuit.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Sensfan101 |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 14:33:02
Complain about him or defend him you've gotta admit he has the ugliest suits
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 13:34:00
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305
Adding fuel to the fire here...
For those of you who support Cherry, and support the booing at the Bell Centre last night, speaks loudly about the class of people supporting Cherry.
Be as Canadian as you want, but you don't boo the NATIONAL ANTHEM of another country...
As for the Sundin, McCabe thing, I didn't know it was possible to use both of them in the same sentence until now? :S
"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
Dont compare cherry supporters with people who boo the american anthem. Don cherry would NEVER support the booing of a national anthem.
I wasnt comparing how good Sundin and McCabe were as leafs, I was just pointing out the fact that BOTH guys hindered the franchise in their own way, yet the CANADIAN guy is absolutley hated in this town now, while Sundin is still very popular. Its not McCabes fault that JFJ was stupid enough to give him that fat contract, he could have told him to walk. Yet, I find it funny that people in Toronto were screaming "SIGN MCCABE!" at the time. Ditto for Darcy Tucker.
anyways, I think people have a twisted view of what cherry actually stands for, he does support anyone who shows genuine class and respect for hockey. He doesn't like guys who wear face sheilds and think they can act tough out on the ice. He's got a point, I dont like it either. And like beans said, its a fact that for a long time, it was only euros and french canadians who wore visors, its not cherrys fault that they did.
He ripped on ovechkin for acting like a d*** after he scored a goal, big deal. I dont think he ever said anything bad about him being russian or the way he played, actually i beleive he said that OV was the best player in the game and that he should act like it.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| MSC |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 13:01:08
So you know that guest0302 was in the building because he said they weren't booing then anthem they were booing the city of Boston? What does me being from the East Coast have anything to do with anything? Not that I have to defend myself but I've spent more then my fair share of time on both coasts.
An appropriate time to boo the city of Boston would have been during player introductions. I really don't see how you someone can defend how that crowd acted during the anthems. But then again these are the same fans who rioted and looted their own city about this time last year. I guess looking for common sense from them is a futile effort.
Don Cherry's only problem is that he lacks a filter at times. His points and ideas are usually very bang on. As some have mentioned already he isn't pro any nationality or anti any other nationality. He champions a particular style of hockey, it just so happens that the North American players play this style more often then Europeons. I've seen Cherry both talk bad about North Americans and good about Europeons, to say he hates all of one and loves all of the other is just wrong.
Someone already touched on his qualifications to talk about hockey, so I won't rehash that part. But how could you honestly say a Jack Adams winner isn't qualified to pass judgement on players. Seems to me he would have had to have done something right.
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| Guest6196 |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 12:54:21
I am not a fan of Cherry. I change the channel every time he comes on.
People are asking "why then do so many people watch him" because human nature is to follow consistency. People in Canada are used to tuning into Cherry after the first period of the first game on Saturday.
Lots of people don’t see anything wrong with Cherry because they have watched him there entire life. Sometimes it is nice to step back and view from the outside. Then you may bring yourself up to the year 2009. I had to leave AB (1 year before the recession) to be able to see the hurt that province is in because of the recession. My buddies in AB still think they are fine. Same as Cherry just step back (ignore him) for a while and create your own theory’s from a 2009 standard.
I hope this is his last year. Funny show he is on though. One guy knows everything about todays hockey, one guy knows very little about todays hockey and they reverse there rolls. When CBC was going to dump ron macLean the nation went into an uproar, when it is Cherry's turn I say send him out on a high horse because he did do a lot for hockey but he never advanced through the years. We have come a long way as a nation but Cherry remains the same. Sad really.
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| Guest6196 |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 12:42:45
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Originally posted by MSC
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Originally posted by Guest0302
were not BOOOING the americans , we were just BOOOING the city of Boston.
That's nice that you can speak for the entire sold out crowd. Watching that made me sick to my stomach.
MSC- Do you want every person n the building last night to contact you? Were you in the building?
You got yor response. Accept it. I do not agree with booing during an anthem but reading a comment like yours, you are one of those guys who are never satified. Unless you were in the building accept the response from someone who was.Are you from the east coast. If so spend some time in BC. |
| Rambo2305 |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 12:18:38
Adding fuel to the fire here...
For those of you who support Cherry, and support the booing at the Bell Centre last night, speaks loudly about the class of people supporting Cherry.
Be as Canadian as you want, but you don't boo the NATIONAL ANTHEM of another country...
As for the Sundin, McCabe thing, I didn't know it was possible to use both of them in the same sentence until now? :S
"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win" |
| Guest8241 |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 12:07:31
I think Rambo was saying the boonig was a bad thing, judging by the "?" after his statement lol
Matt_Roberts...you can't even begin to compare Sundin to McCabe, McCabe WAS good, yes, but mainly for the big contract in '06, too bad Ferggy Jr. was dumb enough to give it to him...
Back to Cherry, he may be right about things, but still, we all have to admit he's a little too Canadian sometimes :P
P.S. Ovechkin over Malkin...Malkin over Crosby...LOL
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| MSC |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 12:01:20
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Originally posted by Guest0302
were not BOOOING the americans , we were just BOOOING the city of Boston.
That's nice that you can speak for the entire sold out crowd. Watching that made me sick to my stomach. |
| tbar |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 11:15:36
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
Changing focus to the Habs fans last night, I understand their passion, but remember how upset Canadians were when the fans in Carolina booed our anthem a few years ago, now we do the same thing to the American anthem?
So now were back to the eye for an eye mentality? I think it’s downright classless to boo another countries anthem even if they did so to us. In Vancouver they helped a girl sing it who kept getting jammed up trying to sing the American anthem a few years back. That a way bigger issue to me then Cherry saying something about the frenchies and Euros wearing visors. Why would Montreal care if Carolina booed the Canadian anthem anyway? Don’t they all want to separate?
But back on Topic Don Cherry is an absolute butie. He’s not politically right about everything but he hit's the nail in the head every time he sends support and prayers to the troops on duty. He says what he believes and with the utmost honesty he can. Not everybody will agree with everything he says but hell I don’t agree with everything any other annalist says so what’s the problem here? Agree to disagree and take it for what it is (His opinion).
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| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 11:01:26
Don Cherry has forgotten more about hockey than you'll ever know Rambo. The man is right most of the time, and is usually a couple years ahead of the curve when it comes to changing things in hockey.
I want to know one thing as well, just what exactly is so wrong about being uber-patriotic? American are SO freaking patriotic and are constantly telling the world how great they are. The same goes for alot of european countries, every italian or polish person will tell you that they're country is the best and that their culture is amazing. Don Cherry is the only popular canadian figure who is consistantly supporting a canadian identity. Canadians are tough, hard working people, who kick ass at hockey and we should be proud of that, and not let other countries (like russia) try to take the mantle of the best away from us.
The olympics are coming up and im sure everyones canadian blood will be boiling and hoping that team canada absolutley annihilates Russia. I know I will. So stop being such a p****, everyone is so scared of someone who speaks their mind. And like beans said, if you dont like it, change the channel.
As far as what he said when Sundin got the standing "O" in Toronto, he is kind of right. Sundin gets a standing ovation (which I had no problem with) despite all the controversy surrounding his departure, yet Bryan McCabe, who wanted to stay a leaf and loved it here, gets booed out of town. Bryan is a good canadian boy who gave everything he had to the blue and white, what exactly did he ever do (aside from having a few bad games) to deserve to be so hated? I think thats all he was trying to say.
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| Guest0302 |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 10:59:18
were not BOOOING the americans , we were just BOOOING the city of Boston. |
| Guest0098 |
Posted - 04/21/2009 : 10:20:47
Cherry is an amazing conundrum in media because he says what he actually thinks. Like all of us, that means he's going to say some stupid things sometimes. But I am thankful he is there, because it would be deathly boring to only hear all those cookie-cutter commentators and analysts repeat the same cliches over and over again. It is refreshing and rare to have a television personality state THEIR OWN ACTUAL HONEST OPINION. He will be sorely missed when he's gone.
As far as his hockey comments, personally I have never played hockey myself, but I watch every single playoff game. I learn a lot more from Cherry about the game than I have from any other TV personality. He helps me appreciate the nuances of the game and opens my eyes to many things that would otherwise go unnoticed.
There is no reason to be afraid of someone else's thoughts. You don't have to agree - that's fine. But we also don't need to all conform to the same ideals. Let there be differences of opinion, and let Cherry continue to be a glimpse of originality and honesty on television. |
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