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n/a Posted - 07/10/2009 : 05:19:43
Montreal loses their leader, a former superstar who has battled adversity and shown strong character throughout his career. Anaheim picks up Koivu for one year, adding him as an experienced veteran who still has some scoring punch, alongside his solid two-way play.

How will Saku do in Anaheim, and will Montreal miss him?

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
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Odin Posted - 07/27/2009 : 10:47:54
quote:
Originally posted by slozo

Two years and he is a bust . . . like Fleury? lol hard to tell if this is sarcasm or real opinion . . . sure hope it's sarcasm. If I were to talk "bust", I'd say Raycroft maybe - but even he has several more years at redemption, really.

I am curious - what is the Habs record without Koivu, and with Koivu? I have not been able to find it . . .

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug



Actually Slozo, I think you completely missed the point. Axey didn't though!
Odin Posted - 07/27/2009 : 10:46:21
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

quote:
Originally posted by Odin

Yep, two years and he is a bust. Can I say Marc-Andre Fleury?



Sure you can say Marc Andre Fleury. That is, if you are refering to one of the best young goalies in the NHL, Stanley Cup winner, and huge bright future.



That was kind of the point, yep. It wasn't all that long ago that people were calling him a bust. Now he has a ring.
n/a Posted - 07/25/2009 : 09:58:30
Two years and he is a bust . . . like Fleury? lol hard to tell if this is sarcasm or real opinion . . . sure hope it's sarcasm. If I were to talk "bust", I'd say Raycroft maybe - but even he has several more years at redemption, really.

I am curious - what is the Habs record without Koivu, and with Koivu? I have not been able to find it . . .

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Axey Posted - 07/24/2009 : 13:40:37
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

quote:
Originally posted by Odin

Yep, two years and he is a bust. Can I say Marc-Andre Fleury?



Sure you can say Marc Andre Fleury. That is, if you are refering to one of the best young goalies in the NHL, Stanley Cup winner, and huge bright future.



Yes, but remember what happened with Fleury in his first few years? That's what happened to him as well.
Beans15 Posted - 07/24/2009 : 11:53:51
quote:
Originally posted by Odin

Yep, two years and he is a bust. Can I say Marc-Andre Fleury?



Sure you can say Marc Andre Fleury. That is, if you are refering to one of the best young goalies in the NHL, Stanley Cup winner, and huge bright future.
Odin Posted - 07/24/2009 : 09:57:15
Yep, two years and he is a bust. Can I say Marc-Andre Fleury?
Axey Posted - 07/22/2009 : 13:01:44
quote:
Originally posted by Guest8144

heh, the way Odin is going on about the habs he sure sounds like the same kind of leaf fan he is trying to bash.

Seriously, I dont think the leafs or the habs are a threat to any of the REAL powers in the east. So its like argueing over who will finish 9th and who will finish 10th...

If 1 of Gomez or Cammalerri gets hurt for an extended period of time the habs are done. Plekanec and the Kostitsyns are as soft as ice cream and could never carry a team. Lapiere, D'Agostini, Laraque and Moen are decent depth guys, and will do a good job in their roles.

If you ask me, Carey Price has been a bust. Hab fans and media christened this guy as 'Jesus Price'..... yea, "Jesuc Price" this guy sucks... i swear he cuts holes in his glove hand.

I havent met 1 leaf fan who is 'planning a parade' we are just excited for the upcoming season because we actually have a few good players now lol. Its nice to see that burke has a plan in place and is following it. He started from the backend and is building out.



Jesuc Price? *sigh* .. thats sad. Price is a good goalie, and will keep getting better.
Odin Posted - 07/22/2009 : 10:30:00
Matt, I absolutely agree. As I have stated, with this sort of turnover, of course there are going to be questions. Thats the nature of the beast. I just got fed up with all these Leafs fans saying they won't even make the playoffs when I feel they could very well have a stronger team than last year.

If they buy into Martin's system, you're damn right they are going to be there. Another point I have been making is that comparing the big 3 that they have aquired, vs the big three that they let get away, the new three have been much more durable. We were without Koivu for a decent chunk last year as well as Tanguay for most of the season in the midst of Kovalev having his annual sulkfest. We still did OK.

If the new 3 are anywhere near as durable as they have been, we will be in better shape.
Odin Posted - 07/22/2009 : 10:22:43
Slozo, I'm just talking about in context with the Habs. Of course I would take Iginla, not sure about Marleau however.

With regards to Lapierre, it was two seasons ago that he was sent home. Thats what I was referring to. Like I said, he learned his lesson. He has done nothing but improve. He would be much more vocal than Koivu and plays with nothing but heart, grit and determination. As I also said, he may not be the bext captain, but he WILL be a captain.
Matt_Roberts85 Posted - 07/22/2009 : 08:25:21
Good points Odin. As much fun as it is trashing the habs, Im starting to feel like people are counting them out a little too early. While the signings of 3 good, yet small, players allowed alot of haters to start the 'smurf' comparisons Gainey has managed to put together a pretty solid roster.

Mara, Moen, Gill are pretty big dudes who should help insulate the smaller players. I dont really think any of those 3 have a legitimate meanstreak though.... thats one thing the habs do lack, guys with snarl. Mara does look tough with the playoff beard though lol.

The big question mark is going to be how all these new faces gel. Chemistry can look good on paper, but what if Gomez and Cammalerri dont really play well together? Who is Gionta going to play with? Plekanec? where do the Kostitsyns fit into all this, they may feel like the leftovers of a team that fell apart.

I know its all hypothetical, and may not mean much at all, but there is no doubt that the habs are going into this season with as much uncertainty as perhaps ever before. A couple injuries to 1 or 2 of the key guys there and it could be a long season (the same goes for alot of teams though...)




There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
n/a Posted - 07/22/2009 : 07:45:16
Odin - those are fair comments about Saku Koivu. Yes, the european captain thing, broken by Lidstrom only a couple of years ago. Yes, he was injury prone, probably due to his very chippy style (reminds me of a slightly less-skilled Wendel Clark), and yes, he was the longest serving captain that hadn't won the stanley cup.

Of course, Iginla and Marleau haven't won the Cup yet with their teams, and I'd take either in a second as captain of any team I cheer for. They both have much better teams behind them than Koivu ever did as well, so not so sure that team success can be totally equated with how good your captain is.

I really don't think a guy who didn't even make the club out of training camp last year should be your captain (Lappier). I have a feeling they will vote for new guy Gomez eventually, after an alternating captain thing. After all - am I right in observing that every player with a letter on his jersey is now playing somewhere else?

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Odin Posted - 07/21/2009 : 09:28:22
quote:
Originally posted by Guest8144

heh, the way Odin is going on about the habs he sure sounds like the same kind of leaf fan he is trying to bash.

Seriously, I dont think the leafs or the habs are a threat to any of the REAL powers in the east. So its like argueing over who will finish 9th and who will finish 10th...

If 1 of Gomez or Cammalerri gets hurt for an extended period of time the habs are done. Plekanec and the Kostitsyns are as soft as ice cream and could never carry a team. Lapiere, D'Agostini, Laraque and Moen are decent depth guys, and will do a good job in their roles.

If you ask me, Carey Price has been a bust. Hab fans and media christened this guy as 'Jesus Price'..... yea, "Jesuc Price" this guy sucks... i swear he cuts holes in his glove hand.

I havent met 1 leaf fan who is 'planning a parade' we are just excited for the upcoming season because we actually have a few good players now lol. Its nice to see that burke has a plan in place and is following it. He started from the backend and is building out.



Except for the fact that Gomez and Cammalerri, and Gionta for that matter are quite durable. Besides the real powers in the East are Pit and NJ. Everything else is up for grabs. I wouldn't exactly call the Kostitsyns soft, Plekanec sure. Lapierre has improved every season, and there is no reason to think that won't continue this year. He came in a couple of years ago overweight, got sent to the minors and learned his lesson. He is solid. D'Agostini, last year was his first taste. He IS going to be good.

Now, here we go again with the Price bashing. A 22 year old bust. LMAO! His issue last year was shoddy defense, which has been addressed; I would take Mara, Gill and Spacek over Brisebois, Bouillon and Schneider anyday, and the fact that he came back too soon to get into the allstar game. He was 16-4-5 before the injury, even with that defense.
Odin Posted - 07/21/2009 : 09:18:10
quote:
Originally posted by slozo

Odin - well, you did give me a bit of analysis there, it's just too bad it was pretty sparse on Koivu - the topic at hand.

"I don't think they will feel the loss of Koivu all that much. Captains chnage all the time. No biggie. Do I wish Koivu was still with the Habs, sure, but something needed to change."

Captains change all the time, eh? Except that for Montreal, all the time in this case is every 10 years. That is, they changed all the time except for the last 10 years, when it didn't change at all - it was Saku Koivu.

So, the player who was your captain for almost ten years, tying Beliveau for longest captaincy (typically biased Quebec media - count the games, not the seasons, and Koivu's tenure was longer), the guy who you went through the whole cancer fight with, the whole comeback with the longest standing ovation ever (I remember that, it was something to behold) . . . your 'insight' into this loss is "no biggie"?

Who knows, maybe with enough new faces, Gainey hopes to wash away the effect of being rudderless at the beginning of the season . . . but I think Montreal will definitely feel it.

Even with as much talent as Montreal has on paper, I just have a feeling that a few things - lack of chemistry among new players, smaller forwards, players learning a new system, captain gone - will conspire against them and they will once again be fighting for the eighth and final playoff spot.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug



Ok, Slozo, honestly, I'm going to point out what should be obvious. No team, until last year, has won Stanley with a European captain. There's my 'insight' ok? Just because you don't agree with what I am saying doesn't mean I'm not giving 'insight.'

As I said, I did want Koivu back, I have nothing but respect for him, but he is also the longest serving captain that hasn't won. There's a new spin for you. But you can't disregard the fact that he IS injury prone. Plain and simple.

Now with regards to my captains change all the time comment, keep it in context will you. I am talking within the league. And they do change all the time. I also gave you some 'insight' as to whom I think would make a good captain, you didn't even mention that. As I said, "just because you don't like it don't mean it ain't no good." Sorry for having confidence in my team.
Guest8144 Posted - 07/21/2009 : 08:29:50
heh, the way Odin is going on about the habs he sure sounds like the same kind of leaf fan he is trying to bash.

Seriously, I dont think the leafs or the habs are a threat to any of the REAL powers in the east. So its like argueing over who will finish 9th and who will finish 10th...

If 1 of Gomez or Cammalerri gets hurt for an extended period of time the habs are done. Plekanec and the Kostitsyns are as soft as ice cream and could never carry a team. Lapiere, D'Agostini, Laraque and Moen are decent depth guys, and will do a good job in their roles.

If you ask me, Carey Price has been a bust. Hab fans and media christened this guy as 'Jesus Price'..... yea, "Jesuc Price" this guy sucks... i swear he cuts holes in his glove hand.

I havent met 1 leaf fan who is 'planning a parade' we are just excited for the upcoming season because we actually have a few good players now lol. Its nice to see that burke has a plan in place and is following it. He started from the backend and is building out.
n/a Posted - 07/21/2009 : 05:18:46
Odin - well, you did give me a bit of analysis there, it's just too bad it was pretty sparse on Koivu - the topic at hand.

"I don't think they will feel the loss of Koivu all that much. Captains chnage all the time. No biggie. Do I wish Koivu was still with the Habs, sure, but something needed to change."

Captains change all the time, eh? Except that for Montreal, all the time in this case is every 10 years. That is, they changed all the time except for the last 10 years, when it didn't change at all - it was Saku Koivu.

So, the player who was your captain for almost ten years, tying Beliveau for longest captaincy (typically biased Quebec media - count the games, not the seasons, and Koivu's tenure was longer), the guy who you went through the whole cancer fight with, the whole comeback with the longest standing ovation ever (I remember that, it was something to behold) . . . your 'insight' into this loss is "no biggie"?

Who knows, maybe with enough new faces, Gainey hopes to wash away the effect of being rudderless at the beginning of the season . . . but I think Montreal will definitely feel it.

Even with as much talent as Montreal has on paper, I just have a feeling that a few things - lack of chemistry among new players, smaller forwards, players learning a new system, captain gone - will conspire against them and they will once again be fighting for the eighth and final playoff spot.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Odin Posted - 07/20/2009 : 12:48:16
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305

quote:
Originally posted by Odin

If you wanted to start this agin, perhaps you could start with some facts. Markov a one hit wonder? He's put up at least 46 points 4 seasons in a row. Komisarek is going to feel naked w/o his protection. And you would be happy to have him. Anybody would takr Kaberle over Markov? Thats a major hit to your credibilty, and wishfull thinking. What would you prefer? Markov, his 64 points and his (-2), or Kaberle his 31 points and his (-8)? LMFAO!!!!! Sounds like Kaberle is even more of a winger than Markov. Perhaps you should check numbers before you post nonsense. Over the last 4 years: Markov 217 points, +14, Kaberle 209 points (-14). Markov on the rise, Kaberle on the decline.

Gill isn't there to score points and Spacek will get between 30-40 points. Mara is pretty solid all the way around, or did you forget him? Also seems you forgot Georges who is also a good all around d-man. So Markov-Spacek, Georges-Mara Hamrlik-Weber, sounds pretty good to me.

Price is a joke?? And you're going with Toskala and some unproven turd? Thats not even worth addressing. Halak a glorified backup?? Man, you're credibility just continues to take lumps. You wish you had Halak playing for you, at least he stops pucks unlike that seive you call a goalie. 891%??? LOLLOLOLOLOLOL! Pathetic. 5 shutouts in 13 games in a swedish league? Who cares. Means absolutely nothing. So, by your barometer, Toskala has won 30 games once in 7 tries. I don't think I need to go any further.

You have overrated the leafs in your head. That is an annual right of passage for a Leafs fan. You WILL continue to look up at the Habs in the standings. We will skate circles around you in the front end and knock you around with the back end. The Leaf's will finish behind the Lightening.



Get your facts straight, Kaberle was hurt last year. When healthy, he's an easy 50-60 points. Toskala, he was hurt last year too, played nearly the entire season with a pulled groin. When healthy, put up a better S% and GAA then Price did. Gustavsson, gunna be funny considering he's accomplished more professionally and internationally then Price has. Swedish Elite League or not, still takes skill, and alot of it to post his kind of numbers. Also, the international game is still made for offensive supremacy, not defense.

And you actually think the Habs pairings can compare to...
1) Kaberle - Komisarek
2) Beauchemin - White
3) Schenn - Van Ryn

Or even throw Exelby in that mix.


"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford



Actually, you need to get your facts straight. You pissed on Markov for being -2 when Kaberle is -8. What has the munster done professionally more than Price. Until he proves he can handle the NHL, what hes done is meaningless. He could be a complete flop. And yes, the Habs D compares quite well. Gomez is in his prime and is going into a style that he will thrive under and has his teammate that he has great chemistry with. You keep glossing over that fact.
Rambo2305 Posted - 07/20/2009 : 12:10:01
quote:
Originally posted by Odin

If you wanted to start this agin, perhaps you could start with some facts. Markov a one hit wonder? He's put up at least 46 points 4 seasons in a row. Komisarek is going to feel naked w/o his protection. And you would be happy to have him. Anybody would takr Kaberle over Markov? Thats a major hit to your credibilty, and wishfull thinking. What would you prefer? Markov, his 64 points and his (-2), or Kaberle his 31 points and his (-8)? LMFAO!!!!! Sounds like Kaberle is even more of a winger than Markov. Perhaps you should check numbers before you post nonsense. Over the last 4 years: Markov 217 points, +14, Kaberle 209 points (-14). Markov on the rise, Kaberle on the decline.

Gill isn't there to score points and Spacek will get between 30-40 points. Mara is pretty solid all the way around, or did you forget him? Also seems you forgot Georges who is also a good all around d-man. So Markov-Spacek, Georges-Mara Hamrlik-Weber, sounds pretty good to me.

Price is a joke?? And you're going with Toskala and some unproven turd? Thats not even worth addressing. Halak a glorified backup?? Man, you're credibility just continues to take lumps. You wish you had Halak playing for you, at least he stops pucks unlike that seive you call a goalie. 891%??? LOLLOLOLOLOLOL! Pathetic. 5 shutouts in 13 games in a swedish league? Who cares. Means absolutely nothing. So, by your barometer, Toskala has won 30 games once in 7 tries. I don't think I need to go any further.

You have overrated the leafs in your head. That is an annual right of passage for a Leafs fan. You WILL continue to look up at the Habs in the standings. We will skate circles around you in the front end and knock you around with the back end. The Leaf's will finish behind the Lightening.



Get your facts straight, Kaberle was hurt last year. When healthy, he's an easy 50-60 points. Toskala, he was hurt last year too, played nearly the entire season with a pulled groin. When healthy, put up a better S% and GAA then Price did. Gustavsson, gunna be funny considering he's accomplished more professionally and internationally then Price has. Swedish Elite League or not, still takes skill, and alot of it to post his kind of numbers. Also, the international game is still made for offensive supremacy, not defense.

And you actually think the Habs pairings can compare to...
1) Kaberle - Komisarek
2) Beauchemin - White
3) Schenn - Van Ryn

Or even throw Exelby in that mix.


"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Odin Posted - 07/20/2009 : 12:00:36
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305

quote:
Originally posted by Odin
Are you saying Kaberle is one of the top D in the game when you are calling Markov a glorified winger? LOL!!!

The top line will be good, our D is just fine and the second and third lines are better than your top line. You see, thats because we have some young up and comers coming through the system. That is called a farm system. I know thats a foreign word to you as you wouldn't know a prospect if they came up and punched you in the face.

Goaltending?? Are you kidding me? Price will be just fine now that he is going to get some help. He just came back too soon from his ankle injury. And you honestly believe in what the Leafs have in net? At leat if Price does stumble we have a cerdible backup that could be a starter on many other teams.

I don't recall anybody asking for the league to hand the Habs the cup, I just wasn't planning the parade that you guys were. If you truly think the Leafs have more depth than the Habs, I have some swamp land you may want to buy....



Alright, let's start this again...

Markov will be a one-hit-wonder. 64 points last year, but still -2?? From a defensemen, that's not too good. So might as well call him a forward. Also, you really think he'll get 60 again this year, not gunna happen. Markov will get 50 if he's lucky. Ask any GM who'd they take, Kaberle or Markov, every one would say Kaberle, even your beloved Bob Gainey.

The top line, every one of them will see drops in production. You're really comparing Gomez to Iginla if you think Cammalleri will score 39 again. As for your 2nd and third lines, the Kostitsyn's, Plekanec, Latendresse, etc., all overrated, would be 3rd liner's on other teams.

The D, wow, you have an aging Spacek and Hal Gill, you'll get maybe 30 points from Spacek and you know Gill won't score more then 10-15. Defensively, Gill is the only solid defensemen they have. So that gives you maybe one 1/2 decent defensive pairing?

Price, he's a joke. Halak, glorified backup. Remember when Montreal gave him the #1 job for a bit, he chocked. Back to Price, what makes him better then Toskala or Gustavsson? Until the day Price actually touches 30 wins, can't say he's a "superstar". As for the Monster, Gustavsson is a beast, 5 Shutouts in 13 games....enough said...

"I don't recall anybody asking for the league to hand the Habs the cup"....you actually think someone will verbally ask for the cup? lol The way they behaved, talked, even the fans. A cockiness that makes them punks who are scared of bigger, badder players and teams.

Sum it all up, Montreal is a small team, that WILL BE knocked around by the Flyers, Bruins, and yes, the MAPLE LEAFS.

Again, really analyze the Canadiens, and you too will see, they're not as good as people think. So back to my original statement, the 11th place Canadiens.

"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford



If you wanted to start this agin, perhaps you could start with some facts. Markov a one hit wonder? He's put up at least 46 points 4 seasons in a row. Komisarek is going to feel naked w/o his protection. And you would be happy to have him. Anybody would takr Kaberle over Markov? Thats a major hit to your credibilty, and wishfull thinking. What would you prefer? Markov, his 64 points and his (-2), or Kaberle his 31 points and his (-8)? LMFAO!!!!! Sounds like Kaberle is even more of a winger than Markov. Perhaps you should check numbers before you post nonsense. Over the last 4 years: Markov 217 points, +14, Kaberle 209 points (-14). Markov on the rise, Kaberle on the decline.

Gill isn't there to score points and Spacek will get between 30-40 points. Mara is pretty solid all the way around, or did you forget him? Also seems you forgot Georges who is also a good all around d-man. So Markov-Spacek, Georges-Mara Hamrlik-Weber, sounds pretty good to me.

Price is a joke?? And you're going with Toskala and some unproven turd? Thats not even worth addressing. Halak a glorified backup?? Man, you're credibility just continues to take lumps. You wish you had Halak playing for you, at least he stops pucks unlike that seive you call a goalie. 891%??? LOLLOLOLOLOLOL! Pathetic. 5 shutouts in 13 games in a swedish league? Who cares. Means absolutely nothing. So, by your barometer, Toskala has won 30 games once in 7 tries. I don't think I need to go any further.

You have overrated the leafs in your head. That is an annual right of passage for a Leafs fan. You WILL continue to look up at the Habs in the standings. We will skate circles around you in the front end and knock you around with the back end. The Leaf's will finish behind the Lightening.
Odin Posted - 07/20/2009 : 11:38:29
quote:
Originally posted by slozo

Odin: I take it then that you feel Montreal won't feel the loss of their longtime captain, Saku Koivu? Why do you think that?

And to your comment, " A bunch of Leafs fans TRYING to analyze the Habs to distract themselves from the gaping holes in their own team. They got younger, faster and added beef to their back end. See ya in the playoffs, although for the Leafs that will mean on the 18th hole."

Um, what do the Leafs have to do with this topic? It's funny, because you constantly harp on how Leaf fans always bring up their team . . . but here you are yapping on and on about it. Do you have some sort of complex where you feel as a Montreal fan living in Ottawa that the Leafs pose some sort of existential threat to your manhood?

Seriously . . . I see zero analysis from you, but you accuse us of faulty analysis. I see name-calling, insults, etc - kid stuff. Where's your expert analysis, as a fan of the Habs, on why you think Montreal will do better this year with a smaller set of front line stars, with nobody on the horizon to replace your longtime captain, and with a whole lot of new faces in the lineup?

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug



I don't think they will feel the loss of Koivu all that much. Captains chnage all the time. No biggie. Do I wish Koivu was still with the Habs, sure, but something needed to change. I knew tanguay wasn't coming back as soon as they traded for him. Kovelev can be quite the headache and they'll only miss him the the half the schedule he showed up for. Sens fans will soon know that.

What do the Leafs have to do with this topic? I thought that was obvious. A bunch of Leafs fans tearing apart a Habs roster they only wish they had. Think what you want, You are apparently going to be completely surprised. Threat to my manhood? Lame. Name calling? All I said was don't plan the parade. You're just a little too touchy, meaning that it is almost as if you are trying to convince yourself of the fact that the leafs will compete.

I have given some analysis actually, just because you don't agree, doesn't mean its not there. I will reiterate.

Yes, there is somebody that can replace our longtime captain, his name is Maxim Lapierre. He may not be the next captain, but he will be a good one. Second, I said that in light of the Habs hiring Martin, the trading for of Gomez was brilliant. He will play very well with Martin, considering he came from the defensive bastion in Jersey. Going out and signing Gionta to go along with him was also a great signing, they have nothing but chemistry. Did they get a little smaller, comparing these three (Cammaleri too) to Koivu/Kovalev/Tanguay, overall? Sure, but that really only applies to Kovalev. Koivu and Tanguay are certainly not monsters. But the Habs got younger faster and more skillful. These guys are also healthier and play with much more heart. Koivu had heart but was injured alot. Kovalev was annoyingly inconsistent and Tanguay, well we really only got a little taste.

On the backend they added a lot of beef and got much bigger there. I know you accused me in another thread of saying Gill is muscle, but I said nothing of the sort. I said 'beef.' We also got younger and quicker back there in that we don't have Bouillon, Brisebois, and Schneider(although not signed yet). Adding Moen/Mara just helps. Cammeleri is also a good signing, I just don't think he will be playing with Gomez/Gionta. But what I think you are truly discounting is all the young talent coming up from Hamilton. Thats one of the reasons why we let so many UFA's walk. We can replace them from within. And to be honest, the one UFA that we let walk that hurts that nobody is talking about was letting Kostopolous walk. That one hurt.

I hope that qualifies for anaylsis.
Rambo2305 Posted - 07/20/2009 : 11:35:35
quote:
Originally posted by Odin
Are you saying Kaberle is one of the top D in the game when you are calling Markov a glorified winger? LOL!!!

The top line will be good, our D is just fine and the second and third lines are better than your top line. You see, thats because we have some young up and comers coming through the system. That is called a farm system. I know thats a foreign word to you as you wouldn't know a prospect if they came up and punched you in the face.

Goaltending?? Are you kidding me? Price will be just fine now that he is going to get some help. He just came back too soon from his ankle injury. And you honestly believe in what the Leafs have in net? At leat if Price does stumble we have a cerdible backup that could be a starter on many other teams.

I don't recall anybody asking for the league to hand the Habs the cup, I just wasn't planning the parade that you guys were. If you truly think the Leafs have more depth than the Habs, I have some swamp land you may want to buy....



Alright, let's start this again...

Markov will be a one-hit-wonder. 64 points last year, but still -2?? From a defensemen, that's not too good. So might as well call him a forward. Also, you really think he'll get 60 again this year, not gunna happen. Markov will get 50 if he's lucky. Ask any GM who'd they take, Kaberle or Markov, every one would say Kaberle, even your beloved Bob Gainey.

The top line, every one of them will see drops in production. You're really comparing Gomez to Iginla if you think Cammalleri will score 39 again. As for your 2nd and third lines, the Kostitsyn's, Plekanec, Latendresse, etc., all overrated, would be 3rd liner's on other teams.

The D, wow, you have an aging Spacek and Hal Gill, you'll get maybe 30 points from Spacek and you know Gill won't score more then 10-15. Defensively, Gill is the only solid defensemen they have. So that gives you maybe one 1/2 decent defensive pairing?

Price, he's a joke. Halak, glorified backup. Remember when Montreal gave him the #1 job for a bit, he chocked. Back to Price, what makes him better then Toskala or Gustavsson? Until the day Price actually touches 30 wins, can't say he's a "superstar". As for the Monster, Gustavsson is a beast, 5 Shutouts in 13 games....enough said...

"I don't recall anybody asking for the league to hand the Habs the cup"....you actually think someone will verbally ask for the cup? lol The way they behaved, talked, even the fans. A cockiness that makes them punks who are scared of bigger, badder players and teams.

Sum it all up, Montreal is a small team, that WILL BE knocked around by the Flyers, Bruins, and yes, the MAPLE LEAFS.

Again, really analyze the Canadiens, and you too will see, they're not as good as people think. So back to my original statement, the 11th place Canadiens.

"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Odin Posted - 07/20/2009 : 11:16:03
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Originally posted by Rambo2305

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Originally posted by Guest9655

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Originally posted by Odin

A bunch of Leafs fans TRYING to analyze the Habs to distract themselves from the gaping holes in their own team. They got younger, faster and added beef to their back end. See ya in the playoffs, although for the Leafs that will mean on the 18th hole.



you are absolutly right.
funny how leaf fans always bring up the french / english things when it comes to hockey. Gainey is doing what it takes to put a solid team on the ice, and doing what it takes to WIN.
His actions have no linguistic reasoning, and his actions are speaking a lot better than burke's words....




How is that? The Habs have just as many, if not more holes then the Leafs. No defensive core (Markov is pretty much a forward). After the "top line", you have no one up front. In net, if the 2nd half of the year, and being gaged and taken advantage of by the Bruins in the playoffs is any indication, you'll have some troubles with Price. Compare to the Leafs....

One of the top D's in the game. Goaltending, damn good. Up front, no 100 point scorers (neither do the Habs), but unlike the Habs, the Leafs have 4 lines of players that can match 40+ points easily. Doesn't matter how a team scores 250 goals, just as long as they do...

So again, leave it to Habs fans to think the NHL should just hand them the cup, too bad they won't even make the playoffs this year...

Back on topic, looking forward to seeing Saku find success in Anaheim. Deserves it...


"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford



Are you saying Kaberle is one of the top D in the game when you are calling Markov a glorified winger? LOL!!!

The top line will be good, our D is just fine and the second and third lines are better than your top line. You see, thats because we have some young up and comers coming through the system. That is called a farm system. I know thats a foreign word to you as you wouldn't know a prospect if they came up and punched you in the face.

Goaltending?? Are you kidding me? Price will be just fine now that he is going to get some help. He just came back too soon from his ankle injury. And you honestly believe in what the Leafs have in net? At leat if Price does stumble we have a cerdible backup that could be a starter on many other teams.

I don't recall anybody asking for the league to hand the Habs the cup, I just wasn't planning the parade that you guys were. If you truly think the Leafs have more depth than the Habs, I have some swamp land you may want to buy....
n/a Posted - 07/20/2009 : 05:36:23
Odin: I take it then that you feel Montreal won't feel the loss of their longtime captain, Saku Koivu? Why do you think that?

And to your comment, " A bunch of Leafs fans TRYING to analyze the Habs to distract themselves from the gaping holes in their own team. They got younger, faster and added beef to their back end. See ya in the playoffs, although for the Leafs that will mean on the 18th hole."

Um, what do the Leafs have to do with this topic? It's funny, because you constantly harp on how Leaf fans always bring up their team . . . but here you are yapping on and on about it. Do you have some sort of complex where you feel as a Montreal fan living in Ottawa that the Leafs pose some sort of existential threat to your manhood?

Seriously . . . I see zero analysis from you, but you accuse us of faulty analysis. I see name-calling, insults, etc - kid stuff. Where's your expert analysis, as a fan of the Habs, on why you think Montreal will do better this year with a smaller set of front line stars, with nobody on the horizon to replace your longtime captain, and with a whole lot of new faces in the lineup?

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Rambo2305 Posted - 07/20/2009 : 05:24:52
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Originally posted by Guest9655

quote:
Originally posted by Odin

A bunch of Leafs fans TRYING to analyze the Habs to distract themselves from the gaping holes in their own team. They got younger, faster and added beef to their back end. See ya in the playoffs, although for the Leafs that will mean on the 18th hole.



you are absolutly right.
funny how leaf fans always bring up the french / english things when it comes to hockey. Gainey is doing what it takes to put a solid team on the ice, and doing what it takes to WIN.
His actions have no linguistic reasoning, and his actions are speaking a lot better than burke's words....




How is that? The Habs have just as many, if not more holes then the Leafs. No defensive core (Markov is pretty much a forward). After the "top line", you have no one up front. In net, if the 2nd half of the year, and being gaged and taken advantage of by the Bruins in the playoffs is any indication, you'll have some troubles with Price. Compare to the Leafs....

One of the top D's in the game. Goaltending, damn good. Up front, no 100 point scorers (neither do the Habs), but unlike the Habs, the Leafs have 4 lines of players that can match 40+ points easily. Doesn't matter how a team scores 250 goals, just as long as they do...

So again, leave it to Habs fans to think the NHL should just hand them the cup, too bad they won't even make the playoffs this year...

Back on topic, looking forward to seeing Saku find success in Anaheim. Deserves it...


"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Guest9655 Posted - 07/18/2009 : 17:35:53
quote:
Originally posted by Odin

A bunch of Leafs fans TRYING to analyze the Habs to distract themselves from the gaping holes in their own team. They got younger, faster and added beef to their back end. See ya in the playoffs, although for the Leafs that will mean on the 18th hole.



you are absolutly right.
funny how leaf fans always bring up the french / english things when it comes to hockey. Gainey is doing what it takes to put a solid team on the ice, and doing what it takes to WIN.
His actions have no linguistic reasoning, and his actions are speaking a lot better than burke's words....
Odin Posted - 07/16/2009 : 13:22:52
A bunch of Leafs fans TRYING to analyze the Habs to distract themselves from the gaping holes in their own team. They got younger, faster and added beef to their back end. See ya in the playoffs, although for the Leafs that will mean on the 18th hole.
Odin Posted - 07/16/2009 : 13:19:00
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Originally posted by Rambo2305

I want to see Saku do better then Cammalleri, Gomez or Gionta. Doesn't matter which one, any of them will do.

As another poster commented, two reasons why Montreal refused to even speak to Saku after July 1st.

1) If he returned to wear the "C", he would have passed Jean Beliveau for the franchise record as "Longest serving captain".

2) Montreal, and Quebec for that matter, hounded him because he didn't speak french.

With that being said, any real surprise he didn't go back? Still supporting the 1st point though, they didn't like the fact that Saku couldn't speak french, so they go out an get a Torontonian and 2 Americans?

Good on yah Saku, have fun in the playoffs with Anahiem, you know the Bleu, Blanc et Rouge won't be in them.

"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford




Man, sounds like wishful thinking on the part of a Leafs fan. The fan of a team that will CONTINUE to look up at the Habs in the standings.

Rambo2305 Posted - 07/16/2009 : 11:24:03
Saku will be good in Anaheim...lol...simple as that :) haha

"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
n/a Posted - 07/16/2009 : 11:00:04
Let's stay on topic here - this is about Koivu, not Getzlaf.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Matt_Roberts85 Posted - 07/16/2009 : 09:01:38
i guess so

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Rambo2305 Posted - 07/16/2009 : 08:40:14
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85

100 -115 points?! wow...Ovie only had 112 two years ago, and Malkin had what...108 this year? something like that....

I think Getz will crack 90-95 points while playing a solid 2 way game and lead the ducks to a playoff spot.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".



Well he put up 91 last year, and now playing a full season with Ryan on his wing. Also, if Teemu and Saku are healthy, not crazy for him to put up 100+ and even touch 110-115...

"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Matt_Roberts85 Posted - 07/16/2009 : 08:27:47
100 -115 points?! wow...Ovie only had 112 two years ago, and Malkin had what...108 this year? something like that....

I think Getz will crack 90-95 points while playing a solid 2 way game and lead the ducks to a playoff spot.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Rambo2305 Posted - 07/16/2009 : 07:59:24
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85

Im saying Getzlaf takes his game to an even higher level this year. If you have OV, Crosby, Malkin, Iginla and Datsyuk as the top 5 in the NHL, you better be ready to make room for Getzlaf on that list.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".



As much as I like Iggy, I would rank him 6th simply because Getz is a top 5 player...

1) Ovechkin
2) Malkin
3) Datsyuk
4) Crosby
5) Getzlaf
6) Iginla

He'll knock in 100-115 points this year, Getzlaf is yet another superstar on the rise...

"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Matt_Roberts85 Posted - 07/16/2009 : 07:54:18
Im saying Getzlaf takes his game to an even higher level this year. If you have OV, Crosby, Malkin, Iginla and Datsyuk as the top 5 in the NHL, you better be ready to make room for Getzlaf on that list.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Guest4648 Posted - 07/15/2009 : 12:43:29
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Originally posted by Guest4910

you are so right, Koivu is a 70 points in 82 games, but it happened only once in 14 years:(



Twice actually for arguments sake....

2002-03 GP-82 Goals-21 Assists-50 Points-71
2006-07 GP-81 Goals-22 Assists-53 Points-75

It's all in his health really, as i said in my comment above "A year with him and Selanne healthy could be magic and give the Ducks a heckuva second line!". He's proven with a not as offensively strong team that he can put up points, but health has always been the issue.
n/a Posted - 07/15/2009 : 11:17:47
It's true, almost a given that Koivu misses at least ten games this year, and the skills are diminishing .. . however, he does have good chemistry with Selanne, whose hands are still pretty young for a guy his age.

So yeah, maybe 45 to 50 points, 20 goals or thereabouts.

And btw, Getzlaf already established himself as a top 5ish player . . . last year, and in the playoffs.

"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Matt_Roberts85 Posted - 07/15/2009 : 07:50:56
Haha, Koivu will not get 70 this year. I'll bet you guys that he misses at least 15 games this year. He always spends a little time on IR.

Koivu gets somewhere between 47-57 points. Which for a guy on the decline, playing a secondary role, isnt that bad really. Don't forget, Selanne will probably miss some time as well. These guys are ancient!

I think Getzlaf really establishes himself as a top 5 or 6 player in the league this year. He was awesome in the playoffs and should build on it.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Alex116 Posted - 07/14/2009 : 12:27:09
Totally agree....Koivu, while getting on in age, still has offensive talent. A year with him and Selanne healthy could be magic and give the Ducks a heckuva second line! Don't forget, he could see power play time with the top unit at times too but will likely anchor the second unit. Def wouldn't shock me to see him put up 70 or close to that number.
Rambo2305 Posted - 07/14/2009 : 11:27:57
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Originally posted by Guest4910

you are so right, Koivu is a 70 points in 82 games, but it happened only once in 14 years:(



Playing on a lackluster Habs offense, look at what he does when he plays with Selanne...

"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
Guest4910 Posted - 07/14/2009 : 09:17:14
you are so right, Koivu is a 70 points in 82 games, but it happened only once in 14 years:(
Rambo2305 Posted - 07/14/2009 : 08:40:04
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Originally posted by Beans15

I think Anaheim made a real good call on this. Not only the leadership piece, but the ties to Selanne and this shores up their 1st two lines as

Perry - Getzlaf - Ryan
Selanne - Koivu - Lupul


Not sure what others think, but I wouldn't be unhappy about those players being the top 2 lines on my favorite team.



If Koivu can stay healthy, and find chemistry with Selanne (if he stays healthy too), not crazy to say Saku can put up 70+ points

"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford

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