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| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 07/27/2009 : 16:25:01
The Flames acquired forward Colin Stuart and defenceman Anton Stralman and the Leafs' 7th round selection in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft for forward Wayne Primeau and the Flames' 2nd round pick in 2011.
This was reported on TSN today.
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| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 08/10/2009 : 08:30:24
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Originally posted by hanley6
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
couldn't skate!? are you kidding me? he wasnt the fastest guy on earth but he could freaking skate.
You actually think that Sundin, Gilmour, Vaive and Ramage were better captains than Clark? WOW. When I think of the maple leafs captain, I think of Wendal Clark. The leafs have never been closer to a cup since 67 than they were with Wendal as captain. They did nothing when Dougie was captain... in fact, he requested a trade out of town.
Vaive was stripped of the C for sleeping in and missing practice.. (which may be a little extreme but still... he was stripped of the C...) and Ramage killed a guy...
Wendal may be the best captain the leafs have had in the post expansion era... Darryl Sittler may be a little ahead of him....
Mats had better numbers overall and was a really good captain for us... but we never got closer with him than we did with Wendal. Wendals game 6 performance against the Kings would be absolutley legandary if it wasnt for Kerry Fraser....
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
ok first of all you can't even spell his name it's WENDEL...
When I say Clark couldn't skate I mean he was the slowest man on the ice. he'd always get caught behind the play...
It wasn't Clark that led them that far into the playoffs it was Gilmour. If it wasn't for Gilmour and Potvin they wouldn't have gotten to the 2nd round.
about Rick Vaive he was an excellent captain in fact after Rick Vaive the Leafs didn't have a captain for 4 years until they claimed Rob Ramage as Captain. you say Rick Vaive was sleeping and missing practice all the time, I heard different I heard he was always first on and last off at practices, and about the sleeping Vaive put up sweet numbers while he played for the Leafs... Your part about Ramage killing a guy, that was decades after he retired... It was unfortunate, drunk driving is stupid but it not uncommon for famous hockey players (sports athletes) to do, Dany Heatley killed his teammate with impaired driving, Tim Horton and Steve Chaisson killed themselves drunk driving... list goes on...
really they never came as close to the stanley cup finals since 67 as when Wendel was Captain????????
1998-99 Season Toronto beat Philadelphia in the 1st round, beat Pittsburgh in the 2nd round and lost to Buffalo in the 3rd round of the playoffs if they would have beat Buffalo, Toronto would have faced Dallas for the Stanley Cup Championship
2001–02 Season Toronto beat out New York Islanders in the 1st round, beat Ottawa out in the 2nd round, and lost to Carlina in the 3rd round, if they would have beat Carolina they would have faced Detroit for the Stanley Cup Finals
Sundin was Captain both of those years... do some research before you speak
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP
Wow, just wow.
Clark scored game winning and OT goals in the first and second and third rounds, not to mention multiple huge hits and fights which helped propel his team to victory. They needed Clark just as much as Gilmour or Potvin. Who was it that was fighting McSorley when Gilmour got creamed? Clark. Who scored a hat trick in game 6 vs the Kings? Clark.
Rick Vaive WAS stripped of the C FOR SLEEPING IN AND MISSING practice. Im not making this up ok? Do a little research before speaking. What did the team EVER do with Ramage as captain except miss the playoffs and rot in the basement of the standings? Better than Clark? Puhlease.
WendEl was captain when the Leafs were in GAME 7 of the conference finals. Mats Sundin NEVER got the team to GAME 7 of the conference finals. Hence, they were never AS CLOSE as they were with Clark as captain. Go watch the "All heart" Wendel Clark video on YouTube.
No worries, apology accepted.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| hockster |
Posted - 08/09/2009 : 22:44:12
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Originally posted by Beans15
Ok, first of all, this thread is not about Dany Heatley so move away from that.
And I have heard many players get compared to others, but in this case it's a complete joke. If you said to Wayne Primeau's face that he was comparable to Wendel Clark in any way, Primeau himself would laugh out loud because the comparison is completely laughable. A career 3rd line player against a career top 6 forward. A guy with 66 career goals in 715 games and a career season high of 9 goals against a guy with 6-30+ goals season, 330 goals in 793 games and a career high of 4 goals.
Even getting into the skating and hitting piece, I mean please. Obviously there are few Flames games televised in Toronto because not only was Primeau one of the slowest forwards with the Flames for the past 3 season, but he's far from a big hitter and only had 15 hits in 24 games last season. Clark held his own skating wise(all players, even the best skaters, get stuck behind the play from time to time) and his hits were legendary.
If you said that Primeau is a consistant, 3rd to 4th line plugger that plays a smart defensive game, I would agree in spades. As soon as you compare him to the likes of Wendel Clark, it becomes laughable.
Cant agree more, Primeau wouldnt crack the Flamess lineup. He will be lucky if he makes an NHL team, at least he is in Toronto so he can easily make it. but this guy is a slow plugger. He will retire in a year or two. Not a good trade for the leafs. He probably would have ended up on waivers sometime during the season.
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
Flames for cup...eventually. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/09/2009 : 18:00:54
Ok, first of all, this thread is not about Dany Heatley so move away from that.
And I have heard many players get compared to others, but in this case it's a complete joke. If you said to Wayne Primeau's face that he was comparable to Wendel Clark in any way, Primeau himself would laugh out loud because the comparison is completely laughable. A career 3rd line player against a career top 6 forward. A guy with 66 career goals in 715 games and a career season high of 9 goals against a guy with 6-30+ goals season, 330 goals in 793 games and a career high of 4 goals.
Even getting into the skating and hitting piece, I mean please. Obviously there are few Flames games televised in Toronto because not only was Primeau one of the slowest forwards with the Flames for the past 3 season, but he's far from a big hitter and only had 15 hits in 24 games last season. Clark held his own skating wise(all players, even the best skaters, get stuck behind the play from time to time) and his hits were legendary.
If you said that Primeau is a consistant, 3rd to 4th line plugger that plays a smart defensive game, I would agree in spades. As soon as you compare him to the likes of Wendel Clark, it becomes laughable. |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 08/09/2009 : 13:51:05
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Originally posted by Canucks Man
Just wanted to point out that Dany Heatley was not impaired when he got in that accident. And I hate the Leafs, but even i no WendEl was amazing.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
he was drinking
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 08/09/2009 : 03:00:07
Just wanted to point out that Dany Heatley was not impaired when he got in that accident. And I hate the Leafs, but even i no WendEl was amazing.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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| hanley6 |
Posted - 08/08/2009 : 16:41:10
Alex, I agree with you that in about 10 or 15 years from now people probably won't remember Wayne Primeau... All I originally said was Wayne Primeau's hard hitting style is alot like the young Wendel Clark style... I never said Wayne Primeau is Wendel Clark
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 08/07/2009 : 22:23:51
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Originally posted by hanley6
lol people relax... I loved Wendel Clark in his early years he was one of the funnest players out there to watch even in the playoffs against St Louis when he took off Cujo's mask with one hell of a snap shot... But when Toronto traded Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and 1994 4th round draft pick (Jeff Kealty) to Quebec for Mats Sundin, Garth Butcher, Todd Warriner and a 1994 4th round draft pick (Nolan Baumgartner)call me crazy but I have to say Toronto won that deal by a steal... Dont worry we got Wendel back in 1995-96 by trading away Darby Hendrickson, Sean Haggerty, Kenny Jonsson and Toronto Maple Leafs' 1st round choice (Roberto Luongo) in 1997 Entry Draft, March 13, 1996 for Wendel Clark, Mathieu Schneider and DJ Smith (I'd say Toronto lost that deal badly). Clark was never the same Wendel Clark we all knew and loved...Clark stayed with Toronto Until after then 1997-98 season then signed with Tampa Bay... In 1999-00 Wendel was signed as a free agent by Toronto Maple Leafs following release by Chicago Blackhawks on January 14, 2000.
I'd have to say Clark is one of the most loved players in the NHL, especially by the Leafs fans because of his gritty play, HARD HITS, fighting and hard Shot.. Fans love that stuff... He couldn't skate work a damn but he had a ton of heart... He wasn't the greatest Leafs Captain in my lifetime I can think of better Captains like Doug Gilmour, Mats Sundin, Rick Vaive and Rob Ramage... But to have a guy on the Leafs Roster that could hit hard and hard the you touch my teammate I'll kick your ass attitude and could sometimes score goals mainly because of his hard shot, was definitely exciting.
All I was saying is Wayne Primeau shares the same Hard Hitting features as Wendel Clark thats how they are alike, they are both mainly known for their hard hitting and rock'em sock'em style of play.
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP
hanley....thanks for the detailed summary of WendEl's transactions over the years. That really clears a lot up for me anyway? Dude, you've got an opinion....most on here, Leafs fans, Hab fans, other fans and even Leaf fans who spell his freakin' name wrong DISAGREE with what you're saying. No big deal. Prob is, stats back up our side of it, not yours. Skating? Well, there's not a lot of stats in that sort of thing so who knows? Say no more, you're digging yourself a deeper hole with every letter typed............
Lemme ask you this..... 10-15 years from now, ask any hockey fan what they thought about Wayne Primeau. See if anyone cares, remembers or really thinks he was anything but a 3rd/4th liner on any of his teams? Can't say the same about WendEL..... |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 08/07/2009 : 13:38:56
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
couldn't skate!? are you kidding me? he wasnt the fastest guy on earth but he could freaking skate.
You actually think that Sundin, Gilmour, Vaive and Ramage were better captains than Clark? WOW. When I think of the maple leafs captain, I think of Wendal Clark. The leafs have never been closer to a cup since 67 than they were with Wendal as captain. They did nothing when Dougie was captain... in fact, he requested a trade out of town.
Vaive was stripped of the C for sleeping in and missing practice.. (which may be a little extreme but still... he was stripped of the C...) and Ramage killed a guy...
Wendal may be the best captain the leafs have had in the post expansion era... Darryl Sittler may be a little ahead of him....
Mats had better numbers overall and was a really good captain for us... but we never got closer with him than we did with Wendal. Wendals game 6 performance against the Kings would be absolutley legandary if it wasnt for Kerry Fraser....
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
ok first of all you can't even spell his name it's WENDEL...
When I say Clark couldn't skate I mean he was the slowest man on the ice. he'd always get caught behind the play...
It wasn't Clark that led them that far into the playoffs it was Gilmour. If it wasn't for Gilmour and Potvin they wouldn't have gotten to the 2nd round.
about Rick Vaive he was an excellent captain in fact after Rick Vaive the Leafs didn't have a captain for 4 years until they claimed Rob Ramage as Captain. you say Rick Vaive was sleeping and missing practice all the time, I heard different I heard he was always first on and last off at practices, and about the sleeping Vaive put up sweet numbers while he played for the Leafs... Your part about Ramage killing a guy, that was decades after he retired... It was unfortunate, drunk driving is stupid but it not uncommon for famous hockey players (sports athletes) to do, Dany Heatley killed his teammate with impaired driving, Tim Horton and Steve Chaisson killed themselves drunk driving... list goes on...
really they never came as close to the stanley cup finals since 67 as when Wendel was Captain????????
1998-99 Season Toronto beat Philadelphia in the 1st round, beat Pittsburgh in the 2nd round and lost to Buffalo in the 3rd round of the playoffs if they would have beat Buffalo, Toronto would have faced Dallas for the Stanley Cup Championship
2001–02 Season Toronto beat out New York Islanders in the 1st round, beat Ottawa out in the 2nd round, and lost to Carlina in the 3rd round, if they would have beat Carolina they would have faced Detroit for the Stanley Cup Finals
Sundin was Captain both of those years... do some research before you speak
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 08/07/2009 : 10:34:43
couldn't skate!? are you kidding me? he wasnt the fastest guy on earth but he could freaking skate.
You actually think that Sundin, Gilmour, Vaive and Ramage were better captains than Clark? WOW. When I think of the maple leafs captain, I think of Wendal Clark. The leafs have never been closer to a cup since 67 than they were with Wendal as captain. They did nothing when Dougie was captain... in fact, he requested a trade out of town.
Vaive was stripped of the C for sleeping in and missing practice.. (which may be a little extreme but still... he was stripped of the C...) and Ramage killed a guy...
Wendal may be the best captain the leafs have had in the post expansion era... Darryl Sittler may be a little ahead of him....
Mats had better numbers overall and was a really good captain for us... but we never got closer with him than we did with Wendal. Wendals game 6 performance against the Kings would be absolutley legandary if it wasnt for Kerry Fraser....
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 08/07/2009 : 09:41:18
lol people relax... I loved Wendel Clark in his early years he was one of the funnest players out there to watch even in the playoffs against St Louis when he took off Cujo's mask with one hell of a snap shot... But when Toronto traded Wendel Clark, Sylvain Lefebvre, Landon Wilson and 1994 4th round draft pick (Jeff Kealty) to Quebec for Mats Sundin, Garth Butcher, Todd Warriner and a 1994 4th round draft pick (Nolan Baumgartner)call me crazy but I have to say Toronto won that deal by a steal... Dont worry we got Wendel back in 1995-96 by trading away Darby Hendrickson, Sean Haggerty, Kenny Jonsson and Toronto Maple Leafs' 1st round choice (Roberto Luongo) in 1997 Entry Draft, March 13, 1996 for Wendel Clark, Mathieu Schneider and DJ Smith (I'd say Toronto lost that deal badly). Clark was never the same Wendel Clark we all knew and loved...Clark stayed with Toronto Until after then 1997-98 season then signed with Tampa Bay... In 1999-00 Wendel was signed as a free agent by Toronto Maple Leafs following release by Chicago Blackhawks on January 14, 2000.
I'd have to say Clark is one of the most loved players in the NHL, especially by the Leafs fans because of his gritty play, HARD HITS, fighting and hard Shot.. Fans love that stuff... He couldn't skate work a damn but he had a ton of heart... He wasn't the greatest Leafs Captain in my lifetime I can think of better Captains like Doug Gilmour, Mats Sundin, Rick Vaive and Rob Ramage... But to have a guy on the Leafs Roster that could hit hard and hard the you touch my teammate I'll kick your ass attitude and could sometimes score goals mainly because of his hard shot, was definitely exciting.
All I was saying is Wayne Primeau shares the same Hard Hitting features as Wendel Clark thats how they are alike, they are both mainly known for their hard hitting and rock'em sock'em style of play.
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP |
| Porkchop73 |
Posted - 08/07/2009 : 08:07:44
Hanley, how dare you call yourself a Leafs fan. Wendel Clark certainly did more for the leafs then hit, fight and shoot hard. He became the face of a team that had lost its way. After Ballard had destroyed the team by shipping out Sittler, McDonald and anyone else he thought was against him, Clark came in and revived hockey in T.O.. One could say the crazy media and fan base really started to take off when Wendel put on the blue and white #17.
Hanley you should feel shame, lots of shame. You need 2 minutes in the box to think about what you said.
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| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 08/07/2009 : 06:36:46
Hanley.... for shame. For...shame.
Wendal had 46 goals the year we traded him for Mats...
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 08/06/2009 : 22:32:34
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I love Wendel Clark don't get me wrong, but all he was was an excellent hitter and a good fighter... Primeau and Clark's hits are very similar... Sure Clark had a hell of a shot, but he wasn't really much of a point getter, Neither is Primeau, never will be either. Clark was a very slow skater, very much so like Lindros, Primeau is much faster...
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP
hanley....please tell me you're kidding. While you agree that Primeau isn't much of a point getter, how can you say that Clark wasn't??? Did you ever see him play? Not sure how old you are but i'm beginning to think you were a very young fan when he played most of his career?
Clark had some pretty respectable career numbers, especially when you take into consideration his injuries. 6 seasons with over 30 goals and only one of those seasons was 80 games? Look at the career numbers of the two guys you consider "not much of point getters"........
------------ GP -- G --- Pts -- PPG
W. Clark ----793 - 330 - 564 - .71
W. Primeau - 715 - 66 - 186 - .26
Playoffs are even slightly more in tilted to Clark as his ppg goes up to .73 and Primeau's drops to .23?
I'd say he was huge hitter and a point getter! Unfortunately, injuries tainted what could have been for this stud!
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| hanley6 |
Posted - 08/06/2009 : 16:51:14
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
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Originally posted by hanley6
with the additions of Francois Beauchemin, Colton Orr (like Tie Domi), Wayne Primeau (like Wendel Clark),
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP
don't EVER EVVVVVVVVVVVVVERRRR compare Wayne Primeau to Wendal Clark again
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
I love Wendel Clark don't get me wrong, but all he was was an excellent hitter and a good fighter... Primeau and Clark's hits are very similar... Sure Clark had a hell of a shot, but he wasn't really much of a point getter, Neither is Primeau, never will be either. Clark was a very slow skater, very much so like Lindros, Primeau is much faster...
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 08/06/2009 : 16:48:23
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Kadri most likely wont be on the team this year, outside of Blake(Which some will disagree with) the rest of the forwards look like a bunch of 3rd and forth liners. I bet none of the forwards from TO cracked top ten on any stat except shots blocked or penalty minutes. This forward group might not even do well in the AHL. Burke needs to grow some balls, shut his mouth and sign a freaken goal scorer. Nough said.
Toronto played a hell of a lot better as a team last year than Ottawa did all Ottawa had last year was Alfredsson, Heatley and Spezza the rest of the team couldn't do anything... Toronto on the other hand all 4 forward lines played well together and they all could put the puck in the net.. Toronto had a lot more goals for than Ottawa did, Toronto had alot of cap space, Ottawa didn't and they still couldn't make the playoffs (goes to show Ottawa is nothing ore than a bunch of overpaid bums)... You don't need a bunch of top of the line goal scorers to be a competitive team all you need is hard working, solid offense, defense and goaltending, which thanks to Burke, the Leafs now have besides Toskala, hopefully he don't play as much this year...
But I feel Burke bought the Leafs a Playoff spot..
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 10:52:40
". . . may end up being . . ."
MAY - might, perhaps, ifs and buts were candy and nuts, etc etc
Guest 2332 - Nobody of any hockey intelligence, especially NHL.com, said that it WAS, IS a steal for Calgary. Again, reading comprehension helps - stay in school kid.
Calgary has the possibility for good value, while Toronto knows what they are getting (unless the 2nd rounder pans out).
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest2332 |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 08:24:43
"Anton Stralman, a slick, young puck-moving prospect with a right-handed shot, who may end up being the steal of a July 27 trade with Toronto -- even if some considered the deal a Calgary salary dump, with Wayne Primeau going the other way." nhl.com
Even nhl.com says this deal is a real steal from Calgary. Stop saying Wayne Primeau is good. I've seen him playing and he only hit hard(well his hit is more dangerous for him than anyone else cause he miss them). In this trade, you lose a nice prospect with Colin Stuart and only got a 2nd round pick and an injury prone with a big salary.
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| n/a |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 07:42:44
MattRoberts - trying to be real kind to Hanley here, but I think he just badly took out of context my comment that Primeau was like a third-line Wendel Clark.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 07:15:13
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Originally posted by hanley6
with the additions of Francois Beauchemin, Colton Orr (like Tie Domi), Wayne Primeau (like Wendel Clark),
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP
don't EVER EVVVVVVVVVVVVVERRRR compare Wayne Primeau to Wendal Clark again
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 08/04/2009 : 21:23:20
Kadri most likely wont be on the team this year, outside of Blake(Which some will disagree with) the rest of the forwards look like a bunch of 3rd and forth liners. I bet none of the forwards from TO cracked top ten on any stat except shots blocked or penalty minutes. This forward group might not even do well in the AHL. Burke needs to grow some balls, shut his mouth and sign a freaken goal scorer. Nough said. |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 08/04/2009 : 20:50:33
Burke is the best thing that happened to the "Nucks" and the "Ducks" they wouldn't be the solid teams they are right now if it weren't for him...
you may not notice it right now, But Burke has definitely improved the Leafs a great deal this off season, obviously making the Leafs a much better team. The Leafs now have the best goalie consultant in the World in Francois Allaire
with the additions of Francois Beauchemin, Colton Orr (like Tie Domi), Wayne Primeau (like Wendel Clark), Rickard Wallin (he was a superstar in the Swede league),Michael Komisarek, Garnet Exelby, Jonas Gustavsson (The Monster). They may not be block buster deals but they don't have to be block buster deals to successfully to make your team an all around stronger and better team... All Burke did was fill in the blanks and thats all the Leafs need... All their weaknesses are filled in They now have a goalie, Solid Defensive team and a solid offensive team... Finally it looks like the Leafs are back in the right direction... Good shot to make the playoffs and its all because of Burke, he's definitely fixed the team from all of JFJ's screw ups
possible lineups
Forwards
Jason Blake, Nazem Kadri, Niklas Hagman
Alexei Ponikarovsky, Matt Stajan, Lee Stempniak
Brad May, Wayne Primeau, Colton Orr
Nikolai Kulemin, Mikhail Grabovski,Jamal Mayers
Defense
Luke Schenn, Tomas Kaberle
Ian White, Michael Komisarek
Garnet Exelby, Francois Beauchemin
Goaltending
Jonas Gustavsson
Vesa Toskala
other possibilities
Darryl Boyce, Christian Hanson, John Mitchell, Dale Mitchell, Rickard Wallin, Jeff Finger, Phil Oreskovic, Mike Van Ryn, Tyler Bozak, Jerry D'Amigo, Ryan Hamilton, Jimmy Hayes, Jiri Tlusty
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 08/04/2009 : 09:46:53
i see what youre sayin alex. I just happen to think Burke is a great fit in toronto and I dont think im going to get sick of him any time soon. In fact, ill probably be defending him in forums for the next 5 years...
I love strong personalities and someone who doesnt sugar coat what the hell is going on. We need that here in toronto. Plus, i think the guy is hilarious. He always surrounds himself with good people and always treats his players fairly. Any knock on Burkes past really has nothing to do with what he is doing now. I think Burke has learned alot in his other gm positions and will use that experience to his advantage moving forward here. That is why i think he is in his 'prime' as a GM. he isnt really old, yet he is very experienced.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 08/04/2009 : 07:36:16
Matt.... I don't consider myself a "disgruntled 'nucks fan" but if that's what you want to view me as, so be it. I can handle that. What you've missed here is my entire point. I was not saying Burke is a bad GM. All i was trying to get across is that he can be annoying to listen to and many "disgruntled 'nucks fans" around here were more than happy to see him leave. While you may enjoy him pissing off the media, i myself got tired of that show very quickly. Difference of opinions, so be it, enjoy the man.
I definitely don't agree with you that he is "in his prime as a GM". I mean, really? GM's in their prime? Uh, okay...
As for Komisarek signing there because of Burke? Well, this is not to say that he doesn't like Burke, BUT, and this is a HUGE BUT....i give you 4.5 million reasons for the next 5 years why he signed there. My freakin' Grandma could be the GM and he's have signed that deal!
This brings us to the trade of Stralman, etc. It may have taken you 6 or 7 paragraphs, but you finally got to my point. Your comment that "i think the deal was win/win for both teams" is exactly what i was trying to say. If nothing else, Calgary gets a decent young dman who may or may not pan out? TO gets something similar in the pick, something which may or may not pan out. TO takes on Primeau's salary for just one season i believe and they have the space to do it. Works for both, is somewhat of an insignificant trade and nobody really gets the better of it until like all trades, we see what happens a few years down the road. Trades like these are funny because if Stralman turns out to be a top dman or the Leafs turn the 2nd rounder into a stud, it could really look lopsided five years from now. However, if anyone thinks this is lopsided now, they're crazy....
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| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 07/31/2009 : 07:21:58
Alex man, when are old disgruntled 'nucks fans gonna stop trying to convince leaf fans that burke is the re-incarnate of the devil himself.
I think Burke is awesome. I dont think he is the best GM in the NHL but I certainly think he is a very capable one. I enjoy the fact that he is a straight shooter, i hate the local media in toronto and the more he pisses them off and pisses of leaf haters the more fun I have following the leafs. He is open and honest, and enjoys being truculant and beligerant (  ). People uaually learn from past mistakes and I think Burke is in his prime as a GM. Hes been through really bad (Hartford) bad - good (Vancouver) and really good (anaheim) situations in his career. Those learning experiences from his days in vancouver should only help him in his quest to turn around the leafs.
To me, he seems to be well respected around the league by players, coaches, gms and staff. I dont think there is a chance in hell that Komisarek and Beauchimen sign here if its Cliff at the helm not burke.
He just seems to be such a down to earth kind of guy. The type of person youd get hammered with at your local pub while watching poker and darts all night smoking cigars. Hes just a perfect fit for Toronto. It may not bring us a cup... but the future is difficult to see, and as of right now, I dont think there is 1 person who would be available to come here that could do a better job or be a better fit.
He will re establish a winning attitude around this team and when the time comes to leave burke behind, the team will be better off from having him as their GM than not.
Now I know im sounding quiter homerish, and in no way do I beleive that everything he has done, or is going to do has or will always work out but I think he definatley makes more right decisions than wrong ones.
Like I said earlier, Burke kind of HAD to dump stralman. He likley wasnt going to make the roster, so why not turn him into a 2nd round pick instead of losing him on waivers for nothing. The leafs are void of veteran, north american players. Primieau is a Toronto boy and is generally well liked in the dressing rooms he has played in. Id consider him this years Brad May. He'll provide leadership and toughness (when not injured) is not a liability moving forward on the cap, and hopefully provide some depth at the forward ranks.
i think the deal was win/win for both teams.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 07/30/2009 : 21:58:24
Slozo....i was not trying to start a "pissing contest" nor will i search for quotes to try to prove that you're "in love" with Burke. It's a figure of speech, i thought you'd understand that and I certainly wouldn't consider myself as having an "inferiority complex about the Leafs". All i was pointing out was the fact that some Leaf fans seem to think that everything Burke has done is brilliant. There's simply NO downside or negative side to a single thing he's done in the opinion of most of Leaf fans. Someone comments that this trade is of little significance. Well, i got news for you....He's right, IT IS! But no, you come on here and make reasons for Stralmans' departure and talk about how Primeau's gonna help you guys, etc and that it really isn't of "little significance". Sorry, but that'd be like me trying to convince you that Vancouver's signing of Aaron Rome (he of 26 NHL GP's) will solidify their defence and make them a much better team. You see what i'm getting at?
As for this: quote:
And I don't care about aggravating mannerisms; I care about results, and quality of the team.
That would seem to be exactly as i said it. You'll love him if he builds you a winner. Again, this may just be my opinion of the man, but most of the hockey fans i speak to around these parts couldn't stand him, even when he did pull off a good move. You can like his work and still dislike him, trust me, i've been there...... |
| n/a |
Posted - 07/30/2009 : 20:40:02
Again, because I analyse the trade and give a positive opinion about it, I am accused of being in love with Burke.
Man, everyone sure does have an inferiority complex about the Leafs . . . funny, because we have been so mediocre for so long, but I guess it's just straight jealousy over the media attention. You guys are going to have to start proving your "in love" assertions . . . please, quote me where you got this idea?
Seriously, this is not a pissing contest for me . . . I am simply giving my take on the trade, that's all. By posting one response, does that mean I think it's anymore significant? No. I am not carrying on about it . . . I simply said that it was a good deal for the Leafs, who will get a guy who can lead by example, and be a very solid presence in the room for the rest of the second and third liners - that's all. Yes, he has had injury problems, yes, that's a risk - that's why he came cheaper, he's a third-line Wendel Clarke.
So - that is the second time I have clearly stated what Burke wanted in Primeau - read it over slowly, let the words sink in. There are no good vets to learn from on this team except on defence; so yes, he is very much needed. I believe in two or three years, Stralman will vanish from the NHL, but he's a good kid, so good luck to him anyways.
And I don't care about aggravating mannerisms; I care about results, and quality of the team.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 07/30/2009 : 20:16:13
Man, some of you guys are really in love with Burke huh? Believe me, it won't take long to tire of him. If he builds you a winner, fine, you can love him forever. BUT, and this is coming from experience as a Canucks fan, i can almost guarantee you that you will quickly tire of him and especially his interviews. I hope for your sake the Fan590 (is that your station?) doesn't get him on regularly like the Team1040 here in Vancouver did. He is a really annoying interview and comes off as very arrogant at times. His voice and mannerisms while speaking get to be really aggravating after a while.
Anyway, what i'm getting at is that this rather minor deal comes about and you guys (slozo/matt) are suddenly thinking Burke made some sort of steal of a trade? Well, here's another take on the trade, this of course from a Calgary fan site. They seem to think highly of this deal too, for them! They think of Sutter, like you do Burke apparently. http://www.matchsticksandgasoline.com/2009/7/27/964960/flames-finally-dump-primeau
I don't know what Burke wanted in Primeau? He's been injury prone in the past with only 24 games played last year, and 43, 27 and 51 the three years before that? I would think that the Leafs would have someone in the minors they'd prefer to promote during this "rebuilding" stage so as to get them some ice time. I'm sure there are enough vets on the team to guide some of the youngsters so i wouldn't think that's the reason for his aquisition? Maybe i'm wrong.
In all, i'd say this trade is of little significance UNLESS:
a. Stralman turns out to be a stud or
b. Burke finds a gem with the second rounder (which will likely be a late second rounder.
It's another wait and see........(someone will likely dig this post up a couple years from now) |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 07/30/2009 : 07:17:48
Apparently Stralman would have had to either crack the leafs roster or go through waiver to be sent down to the marlies. So burke turned Stralman into a 2nd round pick, and traded Stuart and the 7th for Primeau. Solid deal if you ask me.
Maybe Stralman pans out for the Flames one day, but Burke didnt want to lose him for nothing right now, especially considering he probably wasnt going to crack the leafs top 6...
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Guest9838 |
Posted - 07/28/2009 : 06:12:28
Poor Stuart...
He just got sent to a contender, Atl to Tor to Cgy (that's going uphill fast) |
| n/a |
Posted - 07/28/2009 : 05:51:36
Stuart, we hardly knew ya. Buh-bye.
Stralman, you were highly touted, but it doesn't seem like you are a player that will ever fit on this team - you don't play big or tough enough, and you won't ever put up Kaberle numbers or better offensively. Buh-bye, and good luck kid.
Mr. 7th round selection, 2012 - um, we never knew ya. Buh-bye.
And what do we get back . . .
Wayne Primeau, a big solid experienced 3rd line guy, a gritty player. On a team filled with third liners and a couple of second liners, he will probably be one of the best third-liners to play Burke's style. So, yeah - nice pick-up.
And a second round pick in 2011 - well, it's a helluva lot better than the 7th round, hopefully that turns into something.
I'm happy.
I also wouldn't say this trade is entirely insignificant for the Leafs, as the forwards need to get grittier in general, and Primeau has experience and plays solid defensively, he is an excellent checker. Good guy to learn from.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest9262 |
Posted - 07/27/2009 : 20:06:19
Too bad they got rid of Anton Stralman, but I guess they had to trade away some defenseman since they had 11 signed defenseman.
And poor Stuart he was traded twice in the offseason. |
| Guest4182 |
Posted - 07/27/2009 : 16:36:21
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
The Flames acquired forward Colin Stuart and defenceman Anton Stralman and the Leafs' 7th round selection in the 2012 NHL Entry Draft for forward Wayne Primeau and the Flames' 2nd round pick in 2011.
This was reported on TSN today.
A trade of little significance. |
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