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| Guest4161 |
Posted - 08/04/2009 : 22:47:13
The NYR have walked away from the arbitration deal, that would have payed zherdev 3M for one year. He is a unrestricted fre-agent now so who and for how much will he sign for. I personally see him with either the Oilers, Leafs, Islanders, or Tampa Bay. |
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/11/2009 : 08:32:11
I don't quite see the KHL as this breeding ground for the greedy and under talented. In some cases yes, but in other no. Take Emery for example. He couldn't find an NHL gig, so he took his show to Russia, proved that he was still a gamer, and now finds himself back in the NHL.
Maybe Zherdev does go to the KHL and signs for an irrelevant figure. If he totaly kicks it there, scores a ton and works hard, he will find a job back in the NHL with a club and get paid.
I don't think it's all league full of guys who are greedy. Some yes, but not all. The NHL has their share of greedy overpaid players as well. |
| Rambo2305 |
Posted - 08/11/2009 : 06:08:22
Seems that the KHL is where NHL players that think they're hot sh't go to make "more money"...hense why each team is pretty much filled with self-centered puck hogging players. With a couple washed up grinders here and there...
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| Guest0929 |
Posted - 08/09/2009 : 22:28:26
he's gonna end up going to the khl, no doubt about it. |
| Guest0926 |
Posted - 08/06/2009 : 04:54:40
9838.
I disagree, it's not regardless of what happened before the contract. The point is precisely what happened before and leading up to the contract. You can't argue that Zherdev should be compared to Richards because in his pre-contract years he was NOT the conn smyth winner, didn't lead his team to a Stanley cup was never in the top 30 in points, didn't have 3 straight years with 70+ pts (his highest was 61) and isn't a leader on his team, and has possible character issues.
I am not disagreeing that he may be worth Franzen, Smyth or Hejduk money, and that 3.9M might be lowballing his worth. I am simply stating that comparing his possible future contract to Richard's one isn't a reasonable comparison. If anything you should argue that Richards' next contract should be in the 3.9M range. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 19:54:12
Regardless of what happened before Richard's signed his contract, it doesn't take away from the fact that people are arguing a $3.9 million contract for Zherdev when a guy like Richards is getting significantly more while producing very similar offensive numbers. Don't get me wrong, I still thing Brad Richards is a very, very good hockey player and I would take him over Zherdev every day that ends in a 'y'. But, it's hard to argue that Richards is worth $9ish million and Zherdev isn't worth $4 million??
This is Don Cherry syndrome. Russian that has a perception of being lazy means bad player. |
| Guest0922 |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 17:06:19
9838 here.
You can't compare this to Brad Richard's contract. When Richard's was given this contract he was considered by many to be one of the most complete players in the league. In 03-04 he was the playoff MVP (7 game winners - NHL record) and Lady Byng winner, won the stanley cup and the gold in the World Cup of Hockey. He had 74, 79 and then 91 pt seasons in 02-03, 03-04, 05-06. He was given the contract after that 91 pt season (good for 12th in the league in scoring behind, Thornton, Jagr, Ovechkin, Heatley, Alfy, Crosby, Staal, Kovalchuk, Savard, Cheechoo and Hossa).
At the time Richard's was worth every penny. |
| Guest5052 |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 09:52:13
I think there is a tendency to overvalue 'grit' or undervalue skill and this may be the case. 58 pts is decent in this NHL, there are a lot of guys making way more that are producing similarly... Brad Richards spirngs to mind.
I think the same thing about Kovalev who signed for $5m and had 65 pts last year and 84 the year before. Seems to me to be a reasonable contract.
Zherdev would put up decent numbers on a weaker team where he would be a top line player. Edmonton would be a good fit.
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 08:44:52
I would not be surprised to see him in Edmonton(if he's willing to come). With the Heatley thing done with, the Oilers are extremely hungry for any kind of top 3-6 forwards that can score. If fact, I would not be surprised if the Oil do a longer contract and over pay(somewhere near $4.5 to $5 million towards the end of a 4 or 5 year deal for a $18ish million total). I think he would do well with a Hemsky type player. Fast, creative, agressive.
It might look good, but as most others I would be a bit concerned with the work ethic.
If Zherdev doesn't get at least the $3.9 the arbitrator awarded, he will go make his paper in Russia. |
| Guest9838 |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 07:33:15
If he does come to toronto, I see him getting very frustrated. He won't have the support he needs to succeed. I could see the situation devolving rapidly in the heart of the season, as Zherdev's point total isn't looking like it will top 55 for the year. Wilson won't have the patience for that sulking presence and he'd be traded at the deadline. (maybe it's a win win, either he succeeds or can be trade bait later).
But at $4MM with his potential, it's definately worth the risk (on a short contract). |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 06:37:28
I totally agree with Beans here - Zherdev, in this market, is a bit of a steal even at 3.9mil, actually. I would take him over Antropov and Hejduk for sure, and he's certainly way better value than Gomez.
Zherdev is real young still, and certainly has the potential to move up a category into the 80 point range with the right players, team, and increased ice time.
I'm iffy on him coming to Toronto, but I wouldn't be too upset if Burke were to grab him. I have a feeling that Burke probably feels the same way though . . . I suppose we'll see in the next few days. I don't see TB going after him, but the Oil might try to get him as a consolation prize.
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 05:59:35
Ok, so let me get this straight. Gomez, playing on the same team last season, get's 58 points, is -2, gets 5 more minutes/game, and get's over $7 million a season. Zherdev gets 58 points, is +6, and isn't worth $3.9 million???
I'm a little confused. Sure, I know Gomez brings more defensive ability, grit, and heart to the table. But offensively speaking, Zherdev is in the ranks with Antropov, who's getting an average of $4 million over 4 years with the same point production.
Milan Hedjuk, Ryan Smyth, Johan Franzen, Joe Pavalski, Ryan Kessler, etc. All of these guys produce like Zherdev, so why shouldn't they get paid the same. Plus, Zherdev's only 24 yrs old. If someone could find a way to get him to play every night, he's a point a game guy. That would be a steal at $4 million a season.
I think he'd be worth the risk on a short term contract with options. 2 yrs, $8 million with a option for a 3rd year.
Let's not get picky on what players we like and don't like. There is a reason the arbitrator got to the $3.9 million contract. It's not like he pulled the number out of a hat! |
| Sensfan101 |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 05:35:36
I don't think that Zherdev is worth 3.9 he is obviously very talented but known for being lazy. Sort of like Kovalev. Also he will only put up points when playing with very skilled players
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| Guest4161 |
Posted - 08/05/2009 : 05:29:07
i think he will be going to the oilers in my opinion since they have the cap room and wern't able to get heatley and still need a scoring winger. if not the oilers i think the leafs will pick him up. |
| Kirby |
Posted - 08/04/2009 : 23:16:53
It better not be the Oilers. Also, it was 3.9 million
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