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| redneck76ca |
Posted - 08/21/2009 : 14:17:04
Dany Heatley. Arguably one of the best snipers in the league today. Scores at will, represents his country whenever he can and is a world class player. I used to love Heatley as a hockey player, to the point where I dismissed his killing of his good friend Dan Snyder as a mistake by a young man thrust into the spotlight and given tons of cash. My opinion has changed however in light of the mess that he has created in his trade demand to Ottawa.
His press conference today only further aggravated me. IMO, he has shown himself to be an extremely selfish individual who cannot put the team and organization in front of himself. Complaining of a "diminished role" and his demotion to the second power play unit has only shown his true character. A whiny, sniveling self first pro-athlete.
Does he deserve to be on Team Canada for the Olympics? Given his ability, I would say, "Yes". Do I want him on a the team? Emphatically, no.
What I would like to know is what do you think/feel about the Heatley situation. Does he deserve to be on the Canadian team?
Thoughts? |
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 14:26:43
Slozo, what is it that you are arguing?? If you are arguing that Heatley and/ his agent on Heatley's behalf went to the media first??? If you are, the link you sent out said the exact opposide. It clearly say that the Murray learned about the trade from the letter sent to him. It was Murray, if I recall, who was the first from either part to publicly state that Heatley had asked for a trade.
Now that I have stepped back into reality that is......... |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 12:37:27
Sorry last post was mine |
| Guest3341 |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 12:18:41
Now, it doesn't say it in that article, and I will try to find a link to a clarifying story, but Heatly made his position known to Murray and the management at the end of the season meetings players have with management and that is when the trade request was made. The reason for the outcry from the fans was Murray was shopping Heatly quietly throughout the league trying to guage interest. Once the playoffs ended and no known suitor was found or any option what so ever, it was almost 2 months since initial request was made.
Someone released the whole story in which Heatly was unhappy with Clouston and caused a rift between management and player. This is why this whole story blew up, why would any player or manager want to damage tradability of a player. Its more like a potential suitor showed interest in Heatly's story and wanted to damage his value to obtain him cheaper or to limit his tradability. I mean why would you tell all the sorded detail prior to signing the papers to release a player. And form a player stand point the team controls your destination and could screw up all your future possibilities so why burn the bridge before you cross.
I could see a big mouth, nosy guy like Burke catching wind and screwing with Ottawa just to weaken an rival team. What business was it of his, T.O had zero chance of Heatly anyway. I mean how long did it take know it all to call a press conference to bash Heatly after the trade request was public. It probably wasn't him but just as likely someone like him to use the situation to mess with the team and player.
All besides the point my response was this was due to a normal everyday trade request which involves and extrodinary player with some baggage which the press has blown into a huge crisis and wreck both the team and the player to sell papers period. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 10:00:59
Thanks for the link, i haven't followed this situation much at all. However, even though you've proven that Heatley's camp requested the trade, it doesn't say they sent a letter to Murray and the Ottawa Sun? I'm really not picking sides here, i simply wanna see proof of which side leaked the story first? I agree, it would seem foolish if it were the teams side as it puts them in a more difficult position. However, it's not to say that Murray leaked it but it could have gotten around the room to others in the organization and it could have easily leaked from there?
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| n/a |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 09:19:24
Oh, I see . . . well, yes - that is true. Murray could have heard it privately from Heatley in a closed door meeting, and he could just be relaying to the media that he was shocked when he found out.
Or, this could be true:
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/gaming/Senators+coach+devastated+Heatley+trade+request/1701790/story.html
Heatley's agents sent a letter to Murray, demanding a trade.
Right, right . . . it was the agents fault, not Heatley's fault at all, no no. And that's why those agents are still working for Heatley, right? Because it's the agents who would do something stupid like that on their own so that they could get fired right away and totally incinerate their reputation and never get hired again and live in a trailer down by the river . . . lol.
Let's step away from fantasy, into reality, shall we? Heatley demanded a trade; and Heatley and his agents made it public to put the pressure on Murray to make it happen. Remember, no teams were approached about a Heatley trade until AFTER it was already public.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 08:41:35
quote:
Originally posted by slozo
Beans - when someone like the GM of the Ottawa Senators is approached by the media and asked about Heatley's trade request, and he responds with, "I was shocked - first I ever heard about it" (I am paraphrasing, this was from a Yahoo sports article way back when), then that certainly indicates that it was leaked by Heatley's camp. There is no good reason that Murray would for some reason want to lower Heatley's stock by implying that he didn't know about the trade request, and that he was genuinely surprised by it.
There is a very good reason why management and their PR reps wouldn't want to point out that they weren't informed at all about Heatley's trade request: it would lower Heatley's value when trying to now trade him! Imagine if they actually plainly said that . . . what management team would want to take the risk of getting burned like Ottawa is now?
I never said that Murray told anyone that Heater went to the media with his trade request, so what are you trying to prove, Beans? Let's leave the false arguments behind, shall we?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Slozo, i still don't think this indicates WHERE he heard it from? He could be saying he was shocked even if it was directly from Heatley in a closed door private meeting, no? It still doesn't tell us exactly who told him or if he found out through others? |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 08:25:01
Beans - when someone like the GM of the Ottawa Senators is approached by the media and asked about Heatley's trade request, and he responds with, "I was shocked - first I ever heard about it" (I am paraphrasing, this was from a Yahoo sports article way back when), then that certainly indicates that it was leaked by Heatley's camp. There is no good reason that Murray would for some reason want to lower Heatley's stock by implying that he didn't know about the trade request, and that he was genuinely surprised by it.
There is a very good reason why management and their PR reps wouldn't want to point out that they weren't informed at all about Heatley's trade request: it would lower Heatley's value when trying to now trade him! Imagine if they actually plainly said that . . . what management team would want to take the risk of getting burned like Ottawa is now?
I never said that Murray told anyone that Heater went to the media with his trade request, so what are you trying to prove, Beans? Let's leave the false arguments behind, shall we?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 08:05:28
Beans/Slozo/Etc....
I've been wondering that myself too, just who did leak the trade demand? I haven't found anything to support either side really. Beans, just cuz Murray was shocked to hear the news doesn't really say where he heard it? Was if from the media? From Heatley's camp? From the janitor? Know what i mean? I wonder if there's a way to find out for sure? Would definitely support one side of the argument if we could find out for sure! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 06:25:49
Correction:
After searching for the past 1/2 hour, I have not found a single report that has Brian Murray, or anyone else saying anything about Heatley going to the media with his trade request. In fact, everyone I have found said that exactly what Heatley did was go to the Senators with this trade request. I have found quotes such as Murray what "Shocked" when he found out. But not a single report that says the Senators did not know first and all of them saying the story was "leaked."
Slozo, I would appreciate if you could post a link or two with Murray or any other Sens rep saying that they were not the first informed of Heatley's request. |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/28/2009 : 05:33:56
JoshuaCanada:
I am neither a "hater", a "doubter", or a member of the press, and I certainly won't shut my pie hole if Heatley has a great season for the Sens. He is a great player and I have never said anything negative (that I can remember) about Heater's skills. Just because someone is observing things and has an opinion on the person because of their actions, doesn't make that person a "hater" if the opinion is negative.
Corrections:
1. Heatley did not privately go to the GM . . . he went public with his trade demand first. Or at the very least, the trade demand was leaked by someone in his camp. Stating that he went privately to the GM is being more than a little disingenuous.
Let's examine this scenario.
If Heatley had truly wanted to do things the right way, the only people he might have discussed his concerns with would be people he could trust not to blab to the media - maybe close friends, family. If he wanted to do things the right way, he would have gone to the GM privately, as you say, and WE NEVER WOULD HAVE HEARD A WORD ABOUT IT until the first teams that were in negotiations for a trade leaked it. If Heatley HAD gone privately to the Ottawa GM, why would he (GM)lie about it and state at the time "this is the first I've heard of it!"? That wouldn't make sense for anybody . . . and I don't see it as a possibility, as leaking the info only brings DOWN Heatley's value.
So, upon this further examination, it is VERY CLEAR that Heatley either made a very bad decision by telling someone untrustworthy about his want of a trade and then acted as if that was exactly what he wanted when it became public; or, he leaked the information himself to let everyone know he wanted out of Ottawa, without consulting the coach, GM, or any of his fellow players.
2. The press did not hurt his reputation - HEATLEY HURT HIS OWN REPUTATION. If anything, I would like to see the press article that delves any deeper into speculation than I have, because I haven't seen it. The writers know the NHL would kill them in litigation if they ever gave too much bad press to one of their stars, so I actually find that in cases like the Heater situation, or with Kane, they totally use the kid gloves and don't state things very plainly.
The press is a kitten to these stars.
3. How can anyone rationalise the fact that when Heatley finally made a public statement - only because he was forced to before team Canada tryouts - he didn't say a damn thing about how his trade demand was released to the public? That to me speaks VOLUMES about the fact that he, himself, did it. I find it hilarious (real stupid on his part) that he didn't even lie about it or try to cover it up, as most would have done, by saying "it was regrettable that someone unknown to me would have leaked the trade demand" or something like that. Instead, he just made it pretty easy to see for those with eyes to see that this selfish brat thought he could get in a good dig at management by releasing his trade demand on his own with no warning.
But that's just my opinion, made from observations on the situation. I think when I give opinions on logical assumptions made from observable actions, I am entitled to a slightly higher status than "Heater hater".
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| JOSHUACANADA |
Posted - 08/26/2009 : 14:12:59
Lets truly put this in perspective.
Your Dany Heatly playing in the stanley cup finals in 2007 and your team is awesome. Your considered the center piece of the best line on the #2 team in the greatest hockey league in the world. Life is awesome and you sign to renew your contract for 5 more years in a system of play which is complimentary to your skills as a player and where you recieve the recognition you deserve.
Fast forward to the end of the 2009 season. Your first line's salary is now considered the reason your team is struggling. You have just completed 2 seasons with 2 seperate coaches since your contract signing. One Coach who used the teams to your strengths but couldn't produce a winner. The second coach introduces a style of play which does not play to your strengths and critizes your play in person, in front of your team and to the media.
You Privatly tell you GM your concerns and ask for options. One option given is to ask for a trade because the GM is happy with results of new coach and if you dont like it go elsewhere. You say you will go elsewhere, but you have a no-trade clause and dont want to get dumped on a team with issues. You give a list of team you expect your GM to talk to. You ask for the process to be quiet to allow you the dignity to return to the locker room if you dont recieve the offer you expect.
Now your sitting at home with your family on vacation wondering if you will get a call to play for a team that wants you, will play to your strengths and has a winner in the making. Im sorry beans but 2 out of 3 dont count. He might even not like the coaching staff or GM, he may even want to play in a warmer climate, maybe just maybe he wants to get away from the press who has hurt his reputation worse than any coach ever could. If no suitor turns up for Heatly and he returns to the Sens and turns in a good season or a start to the season the doubter's and press should shut there pie hole's.
I may be a Ottawa fan, but I dont like the Front end or office at the moment myself. I will not trade my loyalties for this or any other player/member of this team, but I was a fan when Martin was the coach and Yashin, Hossa and Alfredson was the top line and the whole team bought in to a team first defensive style (until the Yashin incident) |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/26/2009 : 06:47:10
Mario Lemieux, when drafted, refused to put the Pittsburgh jersey on. He did not want to play there.
Eventually, the Pitt management and Lemieux worked things out and we all know what kind of career he ended up having in the NHL, International Competition, and most recently as the owner of the team he initially turned his back on.
I wonder what would have happened if he wasn't given a 2nd chance?? I wonder how many people said Lemieux should not have been on the 87 Canada Cup team because he has a contract issue in the NHL???
What happens in the NHL is compeltely irrelevant in team Canada Hockey. There have been various players in the past who have player for Canada, played very well, and have had issues within their own team.
The Heatley Saga has no bearing on him playing for Team Canada and the team would not be as good without him. Same as Ottawa being a lesser team without him.
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| n/a |
Posted - 08/25/2009 : 17:44:45
I would want my team to win, but I wouldn't want Heatley. Nope, pass. The money I would have spent on him would be far better spent elsewhere, and more valuable to the team.
It was not quiet at the start, and who leaked it is very relevant. It is obvious that Heatley's camp is the one who leaked it, and by the look of things, it sure looks like Heater himself.
And finally, I don't want him on team Canada either. He doesn't deserve it. But when he makes the team . . . I will cheer for team Canada still - just not for him.
Heatley is lucky he has real character friends like Spezza and Alfie . . . otherwise, he'd have been thrown to the dogs as perhaps he should be.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Odin |
Posted - 08/25/2009 : 10:10:39
Hanley, you imply that Heatley isn't honouring his contract. That isn't the case. This actually has nothing to do with his contract. He hasn't asked for it to be renegotiated and he isn't holding out. Further, Heatley has scored 139 goals the past 3 seasons, good for third best in the league. Sounds like he is one of the best to me.
Beans, you say that he should be on the 1st powerplay, and maybe you have a point. But the Sens have been looking for balance now for what? 5 or so years? Having threats on each PP unit is actually a good thing in my world. What ticks me off about this whole thing is Heatley says he is a team player, yet when Clouston got in and turned the teams fortunes around, Heatley became sour grapes. If he truly wants to play all aspects of the game such as the PK and have his icetime increased, then he needs to learn what a backcheck is.
Bottom line: Clouston got them winning. Heatley SHOULD be happy with that if he is the team player he claims to be. His icetime was reduced slighty? Big deal. Learn the new system and the benefits will come. |
| Guest9679 |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 19:28:15
quote:
Originally posted by Thrasher
Yes, perhaps he overreacted when asking for the trade from Ottawa, but i think he is just so competitive that when things dont go his way, he gets mad. Hes still young. When i used to play and things didnt go my way. i got mad too.
So what is he competitive about? It is about his stats or how the team is doing? The team performs better when he gets less ice time (not much really on average 1 minute less per game).
So based on your statement, Heatley is just selfishly competitive. He doesn't care about the team or his team mates, just himself. What's his competitive goal? I hope to win the cup. But he can't do it all by himself, it is a team game. Otherwise I hope he breaks some sort of goal scoring record soon before Ottawa suffers anymore. |
| redneck76ca |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 19:17:44
quote:
Originally posted by Thrasher
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
And making 7.5 Million this year, he shouldn't worry about the coaching change, If I was him i'd just be happy to be playing in the NHL (a dream of billions of kids)listen to my coach no matter if I like him or not, work as hard as I could and help out the team as much as possible, the 7.5 Million a year would be a bonus.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Billions of kids? Youve got to be joking. Hanley, my god. This is a slight over statement. Think of the two biggest countries in the world, China and India, both have 1 billion each (roughly). I dont think either countries have kids really pushing to make the NHL. That leaves about what, 5 billion. Divide girls and boys equally 2.5 billion kids? Well, not all kids, maybe 1/3 are kids. so about 1 billion maybe? Considering even not all Canadian boys really want to make it to the NHL. Anyway, just saying.
Anyway, back to Heatley, yes he should just shut up and play. But do proffesional athletes ever do that, when they get mad, they tell people. You may think hes a selfish person, but i think why hes mad about being off the first powerplay and less minutes, maybe he wants his team to win. He wants to do all he can to help his team win. Is he going about it the wrong way, absolutly. But i dont think hes an idiot or a selfish player either. He asked out of Atlanta because of his memory of his friend (understandable). Yes, perhaps he overreacted when asking for the trade from Ottawa, but i think he is just so competitive that when things dont go his way, he gets mad. Hes still young. When i used to play and things didnt go my way. i got mad too. Something called testosterone or something like that. He wants to slam his stick, or punch the glass, but because hes not playing this is what he does. Again, not saying its right, but i think hes just a little ticked about what is happening with his team, without him seeing a better way to vent his frustration.
I Promise I didn't give her the STD, I'm not a sharing person.
To be honest, when he is out there wearing Canadian colours I will be cheering for him. The Canadian in me will take over. I know this. But it will still irk me to see him play in anything other than the Senator uniform this season. And I do not like Ottawa as a team.
I mainly started this thread to move away from all the Habs vs Leafs, Gainey vs Burke threads. |
| Thrasher |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 17:42:30
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
And making 7.5 Million this year, he shouldn't worry about the coaching change, If I was him i'd just be happy to be playing in the NHL (a dream of billions of kids)listen to my coach no matter if I like him or not, work as hard as I could and help out the team as much as possible, the 7.5 Million a year would be a bonus.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Billions of kids? Youve got to be joking. Hanley, my god. This is a slight over statement. Think of the two biggest countries in the world, China and India, both have 1 billion each (roughly). I dont think either countries have kids really pushing to make the NHL. That leaves about what, 5 billion. Divide girls and boys equally 2.5 billion kids? Well, not all kids, maybe 1/3 are kids. so about 1 billion maybe? Considering even not all Canadian boys really want to make it to the NHL. Anyway, just saying.
Anyway, back to Heatley, yes he should just shut up and play. But do proffesional athletes ever do that, when they get mad, they tell people. You may think hes a selfish person, but i think why hes mad about being off the first powerplay and less minutes, maybe he wants his team to win. He wants to do all he can to help his team win. Is he going about it the wrong way, absolutly. But i dont think hes an idiot or a selfish player either. He asked out of Atlanta because of his memory of his friend (understandable). Yes, perhaps he overreacted when asking for the trade from Ottawa, but i think he is just so competitive that when things dont go his way, he gets mad. Hes still young. When i used to play and things didnt go my way. i got mad too. Something called testosterone or something like that. He wants to slam his stick, or punch the glass, but because hes not playing this is what he does. Again, not saying its right, but i think hes just a little ticked about what is happening with his team, without him seeing a better way to vent his frustration.
I Promise I didn't give her the STD, I'm not a sharing person. |
| sharksfan44 |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 10:45:14
beans, if he makes team canada (which he will) i would absolutely cheer for him. and theres no doubting that he is one of the top canadian goal scorers in the game today.
Now i agree with u that he would make any team better. but the thing is, is that every team he's been on, something bad has happened.
when he's on canada. yes i will cheer for him. If he gets traded, whatever team gets him will improve BIG time. i've just lost a lot of respect for the guy through all of this, that's all |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 10:38:20
Beans has a great point. It is easy to pile on a guy who looks like such a douche in the media but really, this story is really being twisted to make Heatley look worse than he really is. I would want out of Ottawa as well (hehe j/k... or am i...?) I dont think he is a cancer in the room like some people are saying, all the guys seem to like him as a teammate. He just didnt buy into what Clouston was selling, that happens all the time. This one is just high profile.
He has placed the sens in an extremley awkward position, but if he came to Toronto and scored 50 goals I wouldnt harbour any ill feelings towards him at all.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/24/2009 : 10:24:43
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
Personally I hope Heatley never plays for team Canada again...Heatley is a completely self centered individual, I'm not even sure if he is a proud Canadian he don't care about anyone else but himself, I'd definitely be ashamed to see him put on another Canadian Jersey, he doesn't deserve it one bit...About Heatley possibly being the best sniper in the NHL today?? Not even close, that goes to Ovechkin. But back to my point, Heatley is the idiot that signed the contract and for the amount that he's getting paid he should be happy even if it is Ottawa... And making 7.5 Million this year, he shouldn't worry about the coaching change, If I was him i'd just be happy to be playing in the NHL (a dream of billions of kids)listen to my coach no matter if I like him or not, work as hard as I could and help out the team as much as possible, the 7.5 Million a year would be a bonus...Truly no one is worth 7.5 Million a year... What team is going to want a guy who signs multiple year contracts for huge $$$, and then decide to back out while still under contract... Ottawa tried to make a deal with Edmonton it was going through, Heatley backed out "I don't wanna play for Edmonton" Make up your mind Heatley you want out of Ottawa or what???, that was your ticket out... You signed the contract, now play for your team and like it you selfish, spoiled piece of elephant sh!t(that's being nice). I hate the Senators but if I was in the NHL I wouldn't complain about any team I happen to be playing for, it would be an honor.
And about this diminished role bullsh!t, Heatley you are in the NHL you need to earn everything you get, which you haven't... You are the most selfish playing in the NHL. You think everything should be handed to you... I don't work that way, You need to work for it especially when you are making 7.5 Mill a year.
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP
This is completely laughable. I mean, really. Anyone that says they do not want the most prolific Canadian goal scorer on blades today on the Canadian Olympic team simply does not want to win. Why does his feeling towards playing in Ottawa have anything to do with Team Canada in any way, shape or form??? Why would anyone leave off a player who has answered the bell for his Country every time he has been asked?? Is he not the all time leading scorer for Canada in the World Championship??? Heatley will be on Team Canada and he will be on the #1 scoring line (with Crosby and Iginla, which is sick) and he will be on the #1 PP unit for Canada.
I think the simple fact that he has said he will report to training camp and play speaks something good. Sure, he wants out. Honestly, how many other teams in the NHL have their top goal scorer on the 2nd line of the PP??? Anyone?? Anyone?? Bueller??? It simply does not happen. He signed the contract under a different coach. The coach changed, the system changed and Heatley was not a big a part of it. Sure, some could say that he should play through it because he's getting paid $7.5 million a year. But would it be any more acceptable that he asked for a trade if he was getting $750,000 a year? Seriously, the money is completely irrelevant. The haters would still hate regardless of the contract.
He isn't happy and asked to leave. It was quiet at the start and then it leaked. Who leaked it is irrelevant. Things like that can't stay quiet. He made himself look like selfish thinking that there would be a number of teams wanting his services. He made himself look less then believable by saying in one breath that he wants to play on a team where his skills will be utilized to the max but is not interested in play in Edmonton who would be giving him exactly what he wants. Public relations wise, the guy is a complete knob. However, and I stand by this very emphatically, on the ice and in the dressing room the guy would make any team better. Any team. NHL, KHL, AHL, your house league team. Doesn't matter. Heatley is an automatic offensive impact player who gives you consistant high production.
However, and I say this as clearly as I can, none of this has a single thing to do with team Canada or Heatley's past or future dedication to representing his country. And all of you who are doggin him right now, ask yourself this. If he makes team Canada, will you not cheer when he scores??? |
| sharksfan44 |
Posted - 08/22/2009 : 17:49:48
slozo, i completly agree.
theres no doubting heatleys skills. he's arguably one of the best snipers in the game today. but like in that topic, when you think of guys to start a team up, before heatley would've be one of the first guys i would think of. but after this disaster, i wouldn't want a guy like this on my team. He's all about #1, himself. he's a bad teamate and he doesn't care about his team. if i start a team and he's one of my main guys, and i've signed him long term and two years into his contract he demands a trade, that would piss me off. I would no he doesn't care anbout the team and i wouldn't want him on my team. It would distract the other players, and like i said before he is a poison in the locker room |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 08/22/2009 : 17:01:03
Personally I hope Heatley never plays for team Canada again...Heatley is a completely self centered individual, I'm not even sure if he is a proud Canadian he don't care about anyone else but himself, I'd definitely be ashamed to see him put on another Canadian Jersey, he doesn't deserve it one bit...About Heatley possibly being the best sniper in the NHL today?? Not even close, that goes to Ovechkin. But back to my point, Heatley is the idiot that signed the contract and for the amount that he's getting paid he should be happy even if it is Ottawa... And making 7.5 Million this year, he shouldn't worry about the coaching change, If I was him i'd just be happy to be playing in the NHL (a dream of billions of kids)listen to my coach no matter if I like him or not, work as hard as I could and help out the team as much as possible, the 7.5 Million a year would be a bonus...Truly no one is worth 7.5 Million a year... What team is going to want a guy who signs multiple year contracts for huge $$$, and then decide to back out while still under contract... Ottawa tried to make a deal with Edmonton it was going through, Heatley backed out "I don't wanna play for Edmonton" Make up your mind Heatley you want out of Ottawa or what???, that was your ticket out... You signed the contract, now play for your team and like it you selfish, spoiled piece of elephant sh!t(that's being nice). I hate the Senators but if I was in the NHL I wouldn't complain about any team I happen to be playing for, it would be an honor.
And about this diminished role bullsh!t, Heatley you are in the NHL you need to earn everything you get, which you haven't... You are the most selfish playing in the NHL. You think everything should be handed to you... I don't work that way, You need to work for it especially when you are making 7.5 Mill a year.
...And the LEAFS Win the CUP |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/22/2009 : 16:12:37
Nice link, Sharksfan . . . interesting comments indeed.
Just to make a point about how Heatley's stock has dropped for me - for the topic about the NHL fantasy draft, where we get to pick three players not named Malkin, Ovechkin and Crosby - the whole Heatley debacle affected my picks.
Before this drama unfolded, I would have picked Heatley and Getzlaf . . . instead, I picked Kovalchuk ahead of Heater. I also now had Datsyuk, and probably Iginla ahead of Heatley as well.
Just sayin'.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| sharksfan44 |
Posted - 08/22/2009 : 12:45:04
brian murray had some interesting things after dany heatley finally broke his silence since the trade command
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=480102 |
| sharksfan44 |
Posted - 08/22/2009 : 12:35:48
great point about teams being much more reluctant to take him now, slozo. perhaps thats why heatley hasn't had that many options to this point. teams don't want to have a poison like that in the dressing room. |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/22/2009 : 11:47:12
Agreed, redneck.
Most of the time, yes - the whole superstar production can eliminate a lot of bad publicity . . . but the thing is, he will end up pissing off two Canadian based teams (Ottawa and Edmonton), and the majority of the Canadian hockey fans (yes, even Leafers and Habs) who follow all news connected with the Canadian teams. People like Beans will be in a very small minority, I should think.
Like you intimated, redneck - coupled with what has happened in the past, and seeing his actions and hearing his words now - his reputation is severely tarnished. Yeah, he will make team Canada, no doubt, and a flurry of articles will precede him getting named to the team, all of them spinning positive about how great a kid Heatley is, how he was misguided and misled, etc. But it won't change the fact that teams will be much more reluctant to take him, despite his awesome skills and production, and they certainly won't be breaking open the bank or mortgaging the future for a guy that acts like this.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| redneck76ca |
Posted - 08/22/2009 : 10:30:37
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Guest0949
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Originally posted by Beans15
Mr Just1n, I think you are not able to relate it relatively. The real world is very much like this. The most sought after professionals often 'switch teams' and more often to the direct competition. The different is that the competition does not get compensated when one of their employees leave. This also happens with nonprofessionals. Trades/labour staff will often go down the street for a very small increase in pay. Take the money out of the equation because it's irrelevant. He's getting paid the same playing in Ottawa or anywhere else. He's clearly stated that he wants to move but if he doesn't get traded, he will report to training camp.
Not quite true. The truly elite excutive as is Heatley in the hockey world, unless they are still under contract, the firm the work for gets compensated if they choose to leave. The most recent very public "trade" that I can remember is Zafarovski leaving Motorola to be the CEO of Nortel (yeah that went well). I think Nortel paid Motorola something in the order of 10 - 20 M.
Have you forgotten that Fourth Line Banger discussion about Heatley? Some analogies about similar work conditions that you and I would be able to relate to don't equate so well with this situation.
Anyways, this media address does nothing to the perceived lack of team mentality from Heatley. BTW, nice piece by Burnside. Heatley only held this little public speaking event because the COC forced him, not because he wanted to (again about himself making the Canadian team, not because he cares). Heatley has pretty much made himself untradable, so he better like Ottawa for the next few of years.
THis isn't completely accurate. The $11.5 million in compensation that Motorola received was based on breech of a non-disclosure agreement. If a person legally resigns from their position, they can work for anyone who does not breech any conditions from the previous company.
And again, the money is irrelevant because it's not the determining factor. Heatley is getting the same money regardless of where he plays.
However, I agree that this is starting to look more and more as Heatley's selfishness getting the better of him. It was better for my arguement before he opened his mouth. He has since opened his mouth and confirmed others' opinions.
That being said, I still think that anyone, regardless of what they do for an occupation, has the right to ask to leave if they are not happy. There is a right and wrong way to do that. Heatley appears to have tried to do it the right way but it turned out to be way wrong.
And, as always, 50 goals in 09/10 out of him erases most of this garbage.
It won't erase anything for the Sens or Oilers unless he scores 50 with them. In my mind his image is tarnished for much longer than a season. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/22/2009 : 08:03:10
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Originally posted by Guest0949
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Originally posted by Beans15
Mr Just1n, I think you are not able to relate it relatively. The real world is very much like this. The most sought after professionals often 'switch teams' and more often to the direct competition. The different is that the competition does not get compensated when one of their employees leave. This also happens with nonprofessionals. Trades/labour staff will often go down the street for a very small increase in pay. Take the money out of the equation because it's irrelevant. He's getting paid the same playing in Ottawa or anywhere else. He's clearly stated that he wants to move but if he doesn't get traded, he will report to training camp.
Not quite true. The truly elite excutive as is Heatley in the hockey world, unless they are still under contract, the firm the work for gets compensated if they choose to leave. The most recent very public "trade" that I can remember is Zafarovski leaving Motorola to be the CEO of Nortel (yeah that went well). I think Nortel paid Motorola something in the order of 10 - 20 M.
Have you forgotten that Fourth Line Banger discussion about Heatley? Some analogies about similar work conditions that you and I would be able to relate to don't equate so well with this situation.
Anyways, this media address does nothing to the perceived lack of team mentality from Heatley. BTW, nice piece by Burnside. Heatley only held this little public speaking event because the COC forced him, not because he wanted to (again about himself making the Canadian team, not because he cares). Heatley has pretty much made himself untradable, so he better like Ottawa for the next few of years.
THis isn't completely accurate. The $11.5 million in compensation that Motorola received was based on breech of a non-disclosure agreement. If a person legally resigns from their position, they can work for anyone who does not breech any conditions from the previous company.
And again, the money is irrelevant because it's not the determining factor. Heatley is getting the same money regardless of where he plays.
However, I agree that this is starting to look more and more as Heatley's selfishness getting the better of him. It was better for my arguement before he opened his mouth. He has since opened his mouth and confirmed others' opinions.
That being said, I still think that anyone, regardless of what they do for an occupation, has the right to ask to leave if they are not happy. There is a right and wrong way to do that. Heatley appears to have tried to do it the right way but it turned out to be way wrong.
And, as always, 50 goals in 09/10 out of him erases most of this garbage. |
| n/a |
Posted - 08/22/2009 : 06:53:40
Well, my worst predictions were confirmed: Heatley is a selfish millionaire brat, and, to top it off, he is not very bright.
He wants to be the top dog, in the city of New York playing for the Rangers. He wants the big endorsement deals, the big-daddy celebrity status, the top-grade women hanging around in lines behind him, he wants to feel like the king of the city.
He has all the maturity of a spoiled 14 year old.
I am truly glad he is an idiot, and that he stated things so clearly . . . without that "honesty", I would actually have had to argue a tonne more about how his actions showed him to be a first-class donkey's bum. Now, pretty much everyone should be able to see that clearly.
Ironic, isn't it, that he will not play for the Rangers this year?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Guest0916 |
Posted - 08/21/2009 : 21:54:09
Heatley made the decision to try and offend the fewest people possible. If he said he just didn't like edmonton as a city to play in he'd be hated in two cities, and his motivation wouldn't appear to be just hockey related. What he said didn't actually help him but at least he didn't put down the city personally.
It's funny that he's been silent for so long and this is the best that his people could come up with... diminished roll. As if he's entitled to his time on the ice regardless of production, attitude or energy. And what makes him look even worse is the record Ottawa had after his "dimished roll" took effect. Is he saying that he'd rather the team perform poorly as long as he has his ice time, probably not, but it sure didn't sound like he cared about the TEAM at all, it was all about Dany. Sure in the background he's got look out for himself like anyone else trying to guide their career, but damn... you're a member of a pro sports team that is fully public, what did he think would happen.
Beans you always give these guys too much benefit of the doubt. |
| Guest0949 |
Posted - 08/21/2009 : 21:33:22
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Originally posted by Beans15
Mr Just1n, I think you are not able to relate it relatively. The real world is very much like this. The most sought after professionals often 'switch teams' and more often to the direct competition. The different is that the competition does not get compensated when one of their employees leave. This also happens with nonprofessionals. Trades/labour staff will often go down the street for a very small increase in pay. Take the money out of the equation because it's irrelevant. He's getting paid the same playing in Ottawa or anywhere else. He's clearly stated that he wants to move but if he doesn't get traded, he will report to training camp.
Not quite true. The truly elite excutive as is Heatley in the hockey world, unless they are still under contract, the firm the work for gets compensated if they choose to leave. The most recent very public "trade" that I can remember is Zafarovski leaving Motorola to be the CEO of Nortel (yeah that went well). I think Nortel paid Motorola something in the order of 10 - 20 M.
Have you forgotten that Fourth Line Banger discussion about Heatley? Some analogies about similar work conditions that you and I would be able to relate to don't equate so well with this situation.
Anyways, this media address does nothing to the perceived lack of team mentality from Heatley. BTW, nice piece by Burnside. Heatley only held this little public speaking event because the COC forced him, not because he wanted to (again about himself making the Canadian team, not because he cares). Heatley has pretty much made himself untradable, so he better like Ottawa for the next few of years. |
| sharksfan44 |
Posted - 08/21/2009 : 20:59:56
Ya, i've lost a lot of respect for the guy ever since the trade demand. since the rumour that the sens had an option to trade heatley to san jose came out, i thought you no wut, the guys an a$$hole but i wouldn't mind him and big joe on the same line and pp together. with him and joe together he could easily surpass 60 goals.
So is this still an option, since the first day i heard that rumour,i haven't heard anything. |
| just1n |
Posted - 08/21/2009 : 19:59:54
The real world doesn't get paid 7.5 million dollars per year.
Scott Burnside wrote a really good article about this today: http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=burnside_scott&id=4414646
Beans, not a bad point if Heatley had said the likely truth that he doesn't want to play in Edmonton... it would be surprising to hear that, but this quote seems to say it all without actually admitting it: "To this date, there's only been one option,I just wasn't ready to make a decision, and I'm still not ready to make a decision until there are other options."
Wasn't ready?! You just asked for a trade dude! Come on! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/21/2009 : 18:44:29
Mr Just1n, I think you are not able to relate it relatively. The real world is very much like this. The most sought after professionals often 'switch teams' and more often to the direct competition. The different is that the competition does not get compensated when one of their employees leave. This also happens with nonprofessionals. Trades/labour staff will often go down the street for a very small increase in pay. Take the money out of the equation because it's irrelevant. He's getting paid the same playing in Ottawa or anywhere else. He's clearly stated that he wants to move but if he doesn't get traded, he will report to training camp.
And Mr RedNeck, it very likely that the story was not leaked by any of the big players. It could have been an anyone inside of either camp.
I have since caught some of the highlights of the interview. The one thing I think Heatley did hang himself on was stating in one breath that he wants to play somewhere and be utilized to the fullest and basically be the man. That is exactly what he could have had in Edmonton. He would have been the biggest thing in town since Mr. Messier left town. So, why turn down the deal for exactly what you say you want?? That'll leave a bad taste in my mouth for a while. It would have been better if he said something like he liked Edmonton but not to the point where he wanted to play here. People might not have liked it, but at least it would be beleivable.
I do agree that in his silence, he was less "greedy". This interview did drop his stock as a person in my books. But, I'd still take him and his 40-50 goals on the ice. |
| just1n |
Posted - 08/21/2009 : 17:16:28
I have certainly tried to think about this in the context of someone having a normal job, where one could ask to be relocated or just quit and move somewhere else. A normal job doesn't involve a $45 million contract though. Also, if you sign a 7 or 8 year deal, expect some coaching changes during that term. That's just the nature of the business. There might be a few bumps in the road.
I don't doubt at all that this was meant to be an internal thing with the team and shouldn't have gotten out into the public. I think what has incensed people further are his reasons for wanting out and turning down the Edmonton deal are simply weak. Not much room for sympathy.
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| redneck76ca |
Posted - 08/21/2009 : 17:03:11
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Originally posted by Beans15
Just out of curiousity, what if what Heatley is saying is genuine and honest??? What if he did try to keep this all quiet and just asked to move on because he was not happy.
Is there something wrong with that??? I personally don't think so. As and Oiler fan, I should be one of the Heatley Haters but I'm not. I mean, the guy is human, why can't he not be happy where he is and ask to leave??
However, I do agree 100% that is a player asks for a trade, their no trade clause should be limited or changed.
The thing that annoys me the most is that he asked to get traded but then handcuffs the team by saying these ten teams are the only ones that I want to go to. Moreover he refuses to waive his no trade clause even though the Ottawa imposed deadline is approaching, further F@@@king the Sens over. By doing this he makes it so the team can't get fair market value as those ten teams know that he won't go elsewhere, disempowering Murray. If you want out, take what is given to you.
Moreover, it was his people that leaked the info on his trade request. No GM would f*** themselves over by leaking this info, unless Murray is a low IQ fool, he wouldn't handcuff himself when it comes to trading a player. If Heatley keeps the info out of the media then there is far less pressure to get a trade done. By leaking it, he forces Murray's hand. I can't help but feel absolutely no symapthy for a player that does this to his team. Remember Patrick Roy and the Habs?
Maybe Heatley himself tried to keep things quiet but the chances that one of his handlers (agents, managers etc) was not involved is minute. I don't doubt that he is genuinely unhappy playing in Ottawa under Clouston. The thing that disgusts me is how he and his people handled the whole situation. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 08/21/2009 : 16:46:09
Just out of curiousity, what if what Heatley is saying is genuine and honest??? What if he did try to keep this all quiet and just asked to move on because he was not happy.
Is there something wrong with that??? I personally don't think so. As and Oiler fan, I should be one of the Heatley Haters but I'm not. I mean, the guy is human, why can't he not be happy where he is and ask to leave??
However, I do agree 100% that is a player asks for a trade, their no trade clause should be limited or changed. |
| redneck76ca |
Posted - 08/21/2009 : 14:43:00
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Originally posted by just1n
This pisses me off so much I'm not even sure what to say. I can't say this press conference is going to make NHL fans at all sympathetic towards Heatley. Wow, thanks for sharing your side of the story Dany, you ARE as whiny and self-centered as we all thought.
What reallllly bugs me is that he was offered an option to get out, to the Oilers, and says he turned this down because he wasn't given enough options to choose from. Eff right off. This "diminished role" nonsense is ridiculous as well. Try working harder to regain your 1st unit power play time instead of bitching and whining.
I can't say I want to cheer for this whiny millionaire when the Olympics are on, so at this point I hope he doesn't make the team.
If a player requests to be traded, this should automatically nullify their no trade clause!
I like the idea of nullifying the no trade clause when a player demands to be traded. Maybe the board of governors will put this in place when the CBA is up again. Great idea. |
| just1n |
Posted - 08/21/2009 : 14:35:52
This pisses me off so much I'm not even sure what to say. I can't say this press conference is going to make NHL fans at all sympathetic towards Heatley. Wow, thanks for sharing your side of the story Dany, you ARE as whiny and self-centered as we all thought.
What reallllly bugs me is that he was offered an option to get out, to the Oilers, and says he turned this down because he wasn't given enough options to choose from. Eff right off. This "diminished role" nonsense is ridiculous as well. Try working harder to regain your 1st unit power play time instead of bitching and whining.
I can't say I want to cheer for this whiny millionaire when the Olympics are on, so at this point I hope he doesn't make the team.
If a player requests to be traded, this should automatically nullify their no trade clause!
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