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| Guest7752 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 06:59:36
Lots of key injuries going around.
Which teams have been handling injuries best?
Detroit / Minnesota / New Jersey / Philadelphia / Pittsburgh / S.Jose / Washjington
They're doing ok, probably as expected given the key injuries.
Oilers:
Doing terrible. Probably would not be doing that much better even without the injuries?
Carolina / Toronto:
Garbage. They can't gt anything right.
Montreal:
VERY good. They played probably one of their best games against Columbus. Even with $25M or so worth of salaries out injured. That's almost 45% of the team's salary out on injuries, yet they are managing to get valuable points.
So - the team handling injuries best is GAINEY / MARTIN's Team - HABS.
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 21:39:10
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Originally posted by Guest9818
Exactly... Kudos to Engelland, Lovejoy and Guenin
If you're wondering who the hell these guys are then my point about Pittsburgh is well proven.
I have to agree here when comparing Washington and Pittsburgh. If you take away the Malking and Ovechkin injuries, look what Pittsburgh has had to deal with compared to Washington. 5 of their top dmen??? C'mon, there's no comparison in my book..... |
| Guest9818 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 12:33:47
Exactly... Kudos to Engelland, Lovejoy and Guenin
If you're wondering who the hell these guys are then my point about Pittsburgh is well proven. |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 11:52:59
Which teams have handled it the best?
Definitely not Montreal . . . they have lost Markov, their best puck moving defenceman (among other things), and now Gionta and Gomez - well, they have Cammaleri going and that's about it. How have they coped? Not really sure, considering that we weren't sure where Montreal was headed with all the changes, but they certainly haven't handled it "well" - they are out of the playoff picture, after all. They have taken a huge hit no doubt, and my feeling is they will continue to slide downward slowly. Markov was a huge part of this team.
My vote would be for Pittsburgh - yeah, they took a bit of a hit when Malkin went down, but they continue to fight for first place in the east, regardless of their defence being totally decimated. Kudos to their kids, they are playing a great a system.
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| Guest9818 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 11:27:42
While montreal has sustained a lot of injuries the question is who has dealt with them the best, in this respect Montreal has done admirably but is only sitting in 10th place in the east so I'd say is out of the running for doing the best with their injuries.
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| Guest7752 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 11:10:29
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Originally posted by HawkinOilCountry
Washington did great while Ovie was out. This fact proved to a lot of people that Ovie really isn't carrying his entire team on his back.... just his linemates.
Montreal wouldn't play any better or worse with a full healthy roster... They're only really missing Markov. And it's still the Habs we're talking about here, one of them teams that's just kinda... there.
Washington wins this thread IMO
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal.
I have to somewhat agree with you on Washington.
There were not too bad without Ovechkin and I"m sure surprised many with how they managed.
However, besides Markov - which would be a "key" loss to any team - there's Gionta, Gomez, O'Byrne, D'Agostini, etc... which may not be "key" to some teams - but are key to Habs team.
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| Guest9818 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 10:06:06
Lol... no arguments there.
What has happened to Brind'Amour, 7 pts is one thing but -18... 2 bad years in a row, it's time to hang them up after a good career.
Eric Cole 3 pts, -5
Scott Walker 4pt in 19 games
the list goes on.
They have completely fallen apart.
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| HawkinOilCountry |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 09:55:29
Going to agree to disagree here because I'm not willing to break this down to player by player or numbers by numbers, I've based my arguements only on what I see as key injuries.
Both teams are doing remarkably well despite thier injuries. Still on the Key Injury topic, here's my pic for the team that isn't handling it well at all.
Carolina
Staal
Ward
Holy crap. I don't follow Carolina very closely, but I didn't realise these two guys were the entire team.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
| Guest9818 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 09:35:41
You're basing your argument that washington has coped better with injures soley on Ovechkin being out for 6 games? How is that 6 game timeframe worth more than Pittsburgh's whole defence being out at times? The season has been 20+ games long. And Pitt is first in the East.
Pitts has lost in total around 15 more man games to injury than Washington after 20 games. about 75 to 60 or 25% more.
I'll grant you Washington did better without Ovie than Pittsburgh did without Malkin, but that's not the full picture of the team.
In that time the caps went 4-2, that's a decent record, but they were also lucky in terms of the schedule they beat Florida twice, the Islanders and Minnesota. They lost both contests to a contender (2 times to New Jersey). And as long as you're putting all this weight on Ovie, they've gone 1-2-1 since he's been back with losses to Mtl, Tor and Ott (that's not good).
Malkin was out for 7 games and Pitt went 2-4-1, with losses to NJ, SanJose, Bos, LA and Min. I'd say the quality of opponents was much greater. And compounded on the Malkin injury was all the losses on the D as well as a couple others up front.
I still think Pitts gets the nod. |
| HawkinOilCountry |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 08:51:03
I still give it to Washington over Pittsburgh simply because Washington kept winning without Ovie but Pittsburgh bit it hard when Malkin was hurt.
If the thread is about how teams have "dealt" with the injuries then Washington is the winner. Pittsburgh was a sad sad team while Malkin was off.
If Malkin hadn't been hurt Pittsburgh wouldn't have slipped out of the top spot, whereas with Ovie hurt Washington kept climbing the standings.
Arguably the 2 most signifcant injuries this season, with 2 very different and very opposite results.
Prove me wrong and I'll concede defeat. I wouldn't call any of the Caps or Pens other injuries even remotely as significant as these two.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
| Gusteroni |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 08:42:07
I have to agree that Pittsburg has done well with the injuries they've had to endure. One team that probably has done the worst with injuries is Carolina...oh my, this team has no identity without Staal and Ward.
"There are only two seasons in Canada...hockey season and not hockey season." |
| Guest9818 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 08:26:02
Washington does not "win this thread" outright. They did lose Ovechkin for 6 games and have had Semin, Knuble, Jurcina and Morissonn miss time but I don't think they're number 1.
If anything Pittsburgh trumps Washington with Malkin missing time, Gonchar out for a month or so, Goligoski, Letang, McKee and Orpik also missing time (that's the top 5 defencemen by the way). Kunitz, Talbot and Kennedy has missed time (although Talbot was a know entity going in). And to top it all off they're still tied for first in the East. I'm going to give the injury coping award to Pittsburgh.
The sharks have also missed a number of pieces and maintained the top spot in the west (Pavelski, Setoguchi, Blake)
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| HawkinOilCountry |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 08:13:40
Washington did great while Ovie was out. This fact proved to a lot of people that Ovie really isn't carrying his entire team on his back.... just his linemates.
Montreal wouldn't play any better or worse with a full healthy roster... They're only really missing Markov. And it's still the Habs we're talking about here, one of them teams that's just kinda... there.
Washington wins this thread IMO
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 07:54:11
7752........
Well, from what i've read here, it's apparent.......
The Habs have done well despite injuries + the Leafs have played poorly must then = Gainey wins again?  Am i right? lol |
| Guest9818 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 07:06:15
Actually Boston's quietly held their own as well with Savard and Lucic out for a long stretch. |
| Guest9818 |
Posted - 11/25/2009 : 07:03:51
Toronto hasn't even had a ton of injuries, they've just been bad (I don't count Kessel's time out as the Leafs knew what they were getting)
Washington and Atlanta did fairly well without Ovechkin and Kovalchuk respectively. |
