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| Guest9252 |
Posted - 11/28/2007 : 08:06:34
Who is the league's worst team? |
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| Datsyuk 1 |
Posted - 03/04/2008 : 23:35:34
Toronto isn't going anywhere. No offense to leaf lovers although they have a bunch of overpaid lazy players who don't want to do anything. Thats coming from a nucks fan.
Good defense is good offense! |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 01/21/2008 : 13:24:50
becuz i no the leafs arnt gunnawin the cup but there my favourite team, and ikno the insgs will most likely win the cup and there my 2nd favurite team
>>>Go Leafs Go<<<
Wings 4 Da Cup
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| Guest4912 |
Posted - 01/21/2008 : 08:29:48
I dont get leafsfan 94's signature, go leafs go and then it says wings for teh cup, you make no sense and frankly should start cheering for the wings for real |
| Antroman |
Posted - 01/20/2008 : 20:19:53
I am trying to get them in the cellar but they keep winning lately and screwing things up. You people out west have your own teams out there to cheer for. I wouln't expect a large contigent of Leafs fans out there but weather you want to turn a blind eye or not, I can assure you there are still a healthy crop of Leaf lovers everywhere in this country. They quite simply represent what is good and traditional in this country and skate with the symbol of our country, the Maple Leaf on their jerseys and not some self serving oil well or something. I believe that there must still be a fair amount of Leaf fans still out there otherwise you people wouldn't be belly aching about them so much. Come to think of it, I spent a summer out west on the farm and as I recall all they did was crab about everything under the sun, so I shouldn't be too surprised about all this anti leaf nonsense that keeps coming from out there. I can't wait until all the vehicles finish converting to alternate forms of energy and you revert back to dust bowl ghost towns just like in the past. A dollar ten a litre? You won't be able to give the stuff away!!!! There wouldn't be a hockey team left out there but if there were I suppose the "Edmonton Locusts" might be a good name. |
| Guest5012 |
Posted - 01/20/2008 : 02:57:16
oh well, enjoy the leafs in the cellar for another year, not likely to change any time soon |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 01/18/2008 : 19:13:28
CAPS
>>>Go Leafs Go<<<
Wings 4 Da Cup
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| Alex |
Posted - 01/18/2008 : 11:56:24
Beans do not bet your life.
And speaking from experience, you can not imagine how many fans from T.O. migrate south to the weak hockey markets to pick up cheap tickets and get seats. Habs too.
The headline in the Florida Sun Sentinel went something like 'Who's rink is it, anyways?' the day of the Florida Montreal game. More than 50 percent of the fans came from Montreal.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/18/2008 : 08:16:47
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
I am starting to get tired of these arguements about hating the Leafs. Guest 5004 the truth of the matter is there are people outside of Toronto that care very much about the Leafs. What would be your first clue is that almost everywhere they play there is a large contingent of Leaf fans in the stands. For instance, during tonights game in Boston the "Go Leafs Go" chant was so loud the Beantowners had to break into their "USA" chant in order to drown them out. Now why is that? How about the LA game last week or the San Jose game? Who were all those people dressed in Leaf paraphenalia about as far as one could go from Toronto without falling in the ocean? I think you are so wrapped up in your own feelings that you paint all others who don't reside in the Toronto area with the same brush. I am sick and bored of this topic so 5004 either wake up or take your rants elsewhere. For the record, Harry Neale is now a color guy for the Buffalo Sabres and Bob Cole is an abstainer from alcohol. Did E.T. pick you up hitch-hicking somewhere along the Milky Way or something?
I could agree with this maybe 10 or more years ago. Today, in Edmonton specifically, there are very few Leafs fans. Sure, you see jerseys in the stands when and if the Leafs are in town, but you see that at every game. Calgary, Vancouver, Colorado, all have huge groups in Rexall when they are in town. Definately more than the Leafs.
I think the days of your Daddy's NHL are over, where you either cheered for the Leafs or the Habs. Today, Leaf fans are the minority in every place except TO. In Edmonton, if a poll was done of all hockey fan, I would bet my life that Leafs fans make up around 5% of the Edmonton Hockey Fan.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| Antroman |
Posted - 01/17/2008 : 22:06:39
I am starting to get tired of these arguements about hating the Leafs. Guest 5004 the truth of the matter is there are people outside of Toronto that care very much about the Leafs. What would be your first clue is that almost everywhere they play there is a large contingent of Leaf fans in the stands. For instance, during tonights game in Boston the "Go Leafs Go" chant was so loud the Beantowners had to break into their "USA" chant in order to drown them out. Now why is that? How about the LA game last week or the San Jose game? Who were all those people dressed in Leaf paraphenalia about as far as one could go from Toronto without falling in the ocean? I think you are so wrapped up in your own feelings that you paint all others who don't reside in the Toronto area with the same brush. I am sick and bored of this topic so 5004 either wake up or take your rants elsewhere. For the record, Harry Neale is now a color guy for the Buffalo Sabres and Bob Cole is an abstainer from alcohol. Did E.T. pick you up hitch-hicking somewhere along the Milky Way or something? |
| Guest5004 |
Posted - 01/17/2008 : 15:26:24
I hate Toronoto, their team sucks every year, but as soon as they go on a 3 game winning streak, Torontonians are immediately talking about a cup! What a joke. Moreso, I cannot stand that they are on tv every Saturday night getting their asses kicked, with their built in cheerleading squad of Neale, Cole, Cherry and McLean. Announcers are supposed to be unbiasesd, but these clowns might as well be wearing Leafs jerseys and holding the big foam fingers. I think Cole and Neale are usually too drunk to call the game properly, get some new announcers CBC, people outside of Toronto dont't care about the Leafs |
| Guest6563 |
Posted - 01/16/2008 : 21:55:28
Do the Leafs' front office staff or Kings' coaching staff count as "teams"? |
| Antroman |
Posted - 01/16/2008 : 20:35:53
Do you think it will matter to which team? I personally hope that he goes west. It would be troubling to see him with an Eastern team and largely playing against the Leafs. My hope would be Anaheim or Calgary. It would bother me to see him with the team that has the dead bird wing on their chests. I am not sure if the Western guys realize what a great captain Matts has been while here in Toronto. He gets my vote for the best of all time although I was too young to appreciate Teeder Kennedy. I have never heard a solitary negative remark about him from any of the players or media guys that cover the leafs. He is forthright, honest, great with the media and press and praises the city and works for local charities and is a well respected gentleman around town. He also holds most of the Leafs all-time scoring records and is a shoo in for the Hall Of Fame. Oh, and he is one of the freest autograph signers ever. I am going to be sorry to see him go and so will a lot of others. My only hope is that he goes as a rental player and if he doesn't retire, returns to the Maples next season. I am starting to realize how a lot of Edmonton fans felt when they lost Smitty last year!!!!!! |
| leafsfan_101 |
Posted - 01/16/2008 : 15:31:15
If the Leafs ask Sundin to waive his no-trade clause to go to a contender, Sundin will sa yes. No doubt. He says in the media that he doesn't want to leave, but what kind of player and captain would he be if he said he wuld be okay with moving. If the Leafs approach him with a deal in place with another team Sundin will say yes. |
| Alex |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 18:36:36
Whatever the case, the TSN hockey panel is very in to it. Maybe because that is all the city cares about. Maybe they have no better stories so they make one up. But it was on AGAIN today. And its not only them. I have a gut feeling that Sundin might want a little break
Habs get number 25 this year |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 17:22:23
i bet he would like to go to a contender.....
Ya he wanted to help the leafs organization
but i think he knows that his time with the leafs could quite possibly end soon.
He wants to win a cup......you can tell because he would take less money for the leafs to have more depth.
He Will Go To a Contender if a trade comes up! |
| Antroman |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 17:17:27
Matts Sundin has stated emphatically that he does not want to go anywhere for any reason. He said it just the day before yesterday when he was beseiged by reporters on the left coast. I have never known him since he has been in Toronto to say or do anything that was not sincere. However, the Leafs are going to have to pay him large in order to buy out the no trade clause in his contract. Remember, he took less money this year in order to help with the Toronto salary cap so the thought entered my mind that he is publicly taking this stand in order to further his cause regarding the pay-out? I rather doubt this is true but I have to admit this possibility exists. I truely believe he only signed the one year no trade deal because he wanted to get through this year and then decide if he wanted to retire. I do not for one minute believe that he thought the season was going to go this badly. |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 16:27:43
I dont think Sundin would go to someone he thinks wont win the cup
I am pretty sure he wants to either win one or stay where he is
No Brainer |
| Alex |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 16:27:15
I think this sheds light on a new issue. Tampa can not afford to hold their team. And they did not BUY their team.
This is the only fault of the salary cap. Damned you do, damned you don't. Tampa was a bad team, they drafted good players. Finally the drafts materialize, and now, oh look, they can't afford them!
Obviously the salary cap was for the owners, not in the interest of the game. But this is just ridiculous. You want to tell me teams like Tampa are going to earn more money out of this salary cap, staying in last and getting less and less fans? I doubt it.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| PuckNuts |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 15:55:41
Why on earth, or any other part of the solar system would Sundin want to waive his NTC to go to another losing team???
If Sundin waives his NTC he is going to a contender, and no where else, not a team below Toronto in the standings...
There are many teams out there that would be glad to have any of the three Tampa players on their team, it is a matter of what you are willing to give up, and what Tampa would accept.
Richards, and St. Louis have NTC's, and Lecavalier is their franchise player, I have a hard time believing that any of the three are moving, but sooner or later Feaster is going to need the cap space to sign any of the 14 UFA's next season...
Of coarse you know that this means war!
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| Alex |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 15:45:44
They do not need Sundin . Anyone who would trade the like of Lecavalier, Marty, or Brad for Sundin, would be making a push for the cup. Tampa is all about the future. Sundin on that team?
And by the way, Sundin would not waive a no trade clause to go on a worse team
Habs get number 25 this year |
| leafsfan_101 |
Posted - 01/10/2008 : 15:43:23
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Originally posted by Guest4526
leafs fan 101 with rose coloured glasses who would toronto have to trade to get any of the tampa 3 realistically
2 words...Mats Sundin. Tampa is gunna be picky with what they get in return for any of the Big 3. Plus, Sundin's contract is more affordable then that of a Richards or Lecavalier.
Tampa will have a hard time dealing Richards and St. Louis simply because whatever team gets one of the two are locked in long term. Lecavalier will be a hot commmodity next year, mark my words. By the time trade deadline 09 rolls around you can expect that whatever deal Sundin gets this year will definatly be much higher for Lecavalier. |
| Guest4526 |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 16:16:50
leafs fan 101 with rose coloured glasses who would toronto have to trade to get any of the tampa 3 realistically |
| Guest4526 |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 16:15:22
quote:
Originally posted by leafsfan_101
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
$7.8 million for a proven Stanley Cup leader who is a 1st line Centre on all but maybe 5 teams in the league is about right. And I can think of 10 teams off the top of my head that would give up a lot more than what you are suggesting for him. Toronto is one of them.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
How many teams can afford a salary like Richards. Toronto can't. Edmonton can't. Not many teams in today's NHL are gunna trade for an unproducing guy worth 7.8 mil. It's not going to happen. St. Louis has the smallest contract outta the Big 3, and still, teams will come biting but I don't think that too manhy of te offers are guna please Feaster.
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| redwings85 |
Posted - 01/08/2008 : 06:12:53
Currently it be the Toronto Maple Leafs who are the 'worse' team now.
Watching there games on TV have been rather boring, there's nothing to show for, they are sloppy, they are lazy, they have 1 strong period, then flop the rest of the game.
To improve, they really need to step up there game, driving the net, shooting the puck BETTER... not whenever you feel like shooting...
I've noticed not alot of GREAT Scoring chances... yet alot of shots...
sure yes when you shoot the puck it may go in... but look before you shoot... make sure it's going to be somewhat quality, and look for that rebound.
The defense really needs to improve. The Leafs do have a good team, they are just not working together on it.
Part of me thinks its the training staff in Toronto...
Someone needs to light that fire under there them and get them going again or else its going to be a long grooling season for the buds.
and this is coming from a avid Red Wings fan! |
| leafsfan_101 |
Posted - 01/07/2008 : 18:08:55
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
$7.8 million for a proven Stanley Cup leader who is a 1st line Centre on all but maybe 5 teams in the league is about right. And I can think of 10 teams off the top of my head that would give up a lot more than what you are suggesting for him. Toronto is one of them.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
How many teams can afford a salary like Richards. Toronto can't. Edmonton can't. Not many teams in today's NHL are gunna trade for an unproducing guy worth 7.8 mil. It's not going to happen. St. Louis has the smallest contract outta the Big 3, and still, teams will come biting but I don't think that too manhy of te offers are guna please Feaster. |
| Guest7040 |
Posted - 01/07/2008 : 17:13:42
SCREW EVERYONE WHO VOTED THE LEAFS AS THE WORST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE. YOU ALL SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO LEAF GO!!!!!!!!!! |
| Guest2218 |
Posted - 01/07/2008 : 10:35:57
tronto can'nt get any better, when there is very little skill! |
| Guest2218 |
Posted - 01/07/2008 : 10:34:21
quote:
Originally posted by Guest9252
The teams are in order by points (right now) according to nhl.com with Washington having the least of course.
I voted for Toronto and I am not a leaf-hater but on paper they have lost 7 of 8 games, have the least wins in the NHL, have let in the most goals, are under constant scrutiny, their new players are really underperforming (Blake, Toskala), and they are relying more than any other team on getting a point in a losing effort. (league leading 6 overtime losses)
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| Antroman |
Posted - 01/07/2008 : 08:35:24
Maybe the Leafs and the Lightning should amalgamate and then the Toronto Lightning or the Tampa Bay Leafs might have a shot at the playoffs? The team would be fairly strong down the middle for sure!!!!! LOL |
| Alex |
Posted - 01/06/2008 : 14:40:55
Toronto's record is not too shabby.
Tampa? With the leading scorer, as well as St. Louis and Ranger and Richards and Prospal and a bunch of good players are going nowhere? Defense is a problem, deopth is a problem. They are underachieving
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Antroman |
Posted - 01/06/2008 : 12:31:57
I can count fingers on one hand the players that should be making seven million dollars and as much as I like Brad Richards, he just does not make the one hand. Unfortunately for Tampa he is going to be tough to move at that price? I think over the last 15 games the Leafs are the worst team in the NHL. I believe I'm qualified to say that as I live and die with them on a daily basis. At Least Tampa has Vinny and Washington has Ovechkin. As far as my team goes, they really didn't need those injuries to McCabe and Toskala? |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/06/2008 : 09:16:25
quote:
Originally posted by leafsfan_101
Okay, who's gonna take on Richards 7.8 million dollar contract. He isn't playing well right now and he has that huge contract. And what would a team give up for him?
And teams are skeptical about St. Louis without Lecavalier. Just wait and see how good St. Louis is without Vinny, definatly not how he is not. A second liner, a prospect, a 1st rd draft pick and a conditional pick is about right for both of them individually. I don't think that they are worth more then that.
And that's why you(or I for that matter) are not a GM. $7.8 million for a proven Stanley Cup leader who is a 1st line Centre on all but maybe 5 teams in the league is about right. And I can think of 10 teams off the top of my head that would give up a lot more than what you are suggesting for him. Toronto is one of them.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| leafsfan_101 |
Posted - 01/06/2008 : 09:03:44
Okay, who's gonna take on Richards 7.8 million dollar contract. He isn't playing well right now and he has that huge contract. And what would a team give up for him?
And teams are skeptical about St. Louis without Lecavalier. Just wait and see how good St. Louis is without Vinny, definatly not how he is not. A second liner, a prospect, a 1st rd draft pick and a conditional pick is about right for both of them individually. I don't think that they are worth more then that. |
| pensfan17 |
Posted - 01/05/2008 : 22:33:35
I dont think pittsburgh should be on the list anymore |
| Guest9871 |
Posted - 01/05/2008 : 21:06:03
I think it is pretty unfair to call the leafs the worst team in the league right now. Altough they are a very poor club with a lot of struggles, they do not look or play as bad as washington and other teams on that list. The leafs need to stop in rebuild but thats hard for them becuase the fans are always wanting a good playoff run. And a lot of the fans here in T.O want them to rebuild but i do not think that they can wait 3-5 years for a new team, the team managemnet is almost forced to do these things to try and satisfy the fans needs. |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/05/2008 : 12:03:41
Well, after all of the well thought out comments, I have to weigh in here.
My vote for worst team is Washington, followed closely by LA, Edmonton, and then a tie between TB and Toronto.
My feeling is that Tampa Bay is a much better team than this, and they will break out of this slump. Maybe not dramatically, but they will improve. On the other hand, I think Washington is playing as well as they can right now (see the two victories against the Sens?), and will settle down to the bottom of the standings later - one player does not a team make, even as good as Ovechkin is. LA will continue to play like they have - terribly - unless some key trade or firing/hiring happens to spark them (possible, as they are not short of talent, really). Edmonton, my beloved "second team", is just short on the players, really - but they have a bright future in this league, as they don't have to improve too much to get into a playoff spot next year. For now, they will be 'young' - inconsistent, defensively lax, etc. And the much talked about Toronto? When they're bad, they look like they're the worst; but when they play well occasionally, they can pull out a 3-0 victory against a team like the Sens that was crushing the opposition at the time. In the end, I think they are a bottom of the middle pack teams, and when pressed, they just might make the playoffs on Sundin's back - but that could just be the beer talking.
Teams not mentioned that will make it in the bottom 5? Buffalo, Chicago
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/05/2008 : 11:44:55
quote:
Originally posted by leafsfan_101
Ya, I understand that Beans but the biggest barganing chip for the Lightning is Lecavalier. Richards has a huge contract and teams are skeptical about St. Louis's performance if he is not with Lecavalier.
I think the Lightning want to build around Lecavalier so I don't think they want to trade him. So if you think about it St. Louis and Richards are worth individually maybe a second and third liner plus a 1st or 2nd round draft pick. Either way, unless Lecavalier is traded and they hit gold in free agency, the Lightning are in a terrible situation.
You have got to be kidding me. St. Louis and Richards are worth a 2nd and a 3rd liner plus a 1st or 2nd round pick?? Seriously?? Brad Richards does so much more than just score. He played every forward position, PK, PP, and he's pure heart. He is worth well more than what you talk about. And St. Louis without Lecavalier?? That's the media in your head. Regardless of who his is playing with, he's a 1st line player on every team in the league. And he's another one that is worth well more than what you talked about.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| PainTrain |
Posted - 01/05/2008 : 10:00:42
Los Angeles has a good group of young players. Cammellari,Kopitar,Brown,O'sullivan(who no one talks about), Alexander Frolov, Jack Johnson, Thomas Hickey and for their goaltending issue they have Jonathan Bernier. Lubomir Visnovsky will still be there for another 5 years. Brad Stuart is better if he is put in a shut down role. So that is something the Kings could do is get another shut down defenceman. They shouldn't have traded Matias Norstrom.
Nagy will add depth scoring. Handzus is a great penalty killer. And Calder, he could either be great for you or be a total bust. Also I don't know if you guys forgot but LA signed Tom Preissing who is injured right now but once he's back that will help for their defence.
Just from that you can tell that LA is going the right way. And in this years draft they could get another good player. Drew Doughty and Luke Shenn would be good candidates. Drew Doughty because of his two play and Luke Shenn because he would be another shut down player and play similar to Rob Blake. As of right now they could get the 1st pick so they could even take Steven Stamkos and then they would have 6 great young forwards. .
But if you look at Toronto who do they have that are good young players like LA or Edmonton? Alex Steen, Carlo Colliacovo, Ian White. That's about it. Toronto has to stop playing for the now and start playing for the future. |
| leafsfan_101 |
Posted - 01/05/2008 : 06:48:05
Ya, I understand that Beans but the biggest barganing chip for the Lightning is Lecavalier. Richards has a huge contract and teams are skeptical about St. Louis's performance if he is not with Lecavalier.
I think the Lightning want to build around Lecavalier so I don't think they want to trade him. So if you think about it St. Louis and Richards are worth individually maybe a second and third liner plus a 1st or 2nd round draft pick. Either way, unless Lecavalier is traded and they hit gold in free agency, the Lightning are in a terrible situation. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 01/05/2008 : 00:42:42
quote:
Originally posted by Antroman
Hey Pasty, I think Carbonneau's Habs are a real sleeper team this year and I am quite worried about it because I really do not like them at all. They do not have any part of the team that you could say was blue chip but collectively they do everything right on most nights. As a team they are good defensively, they score just enough goals to usually stay in any game, their goaltending by committee is solid enough and their defense first coaching is superb. I have seen this act from Montreal before over the course of time and quite frankly I feel they are going to make the playoffs and then look out scout. Of course, this is not what I want to have happen but I think they can compete with any team in the east including Ottawa if the Senators do not shore up their defensive play and their goaltending. I hope this opinion is just biased fear but if it comes to fruition it will be my worst nightmare coming to reality. Can anyone else sense this happening?
i hope you are right almost as much as you hope you are wrong hahaha but i really think the habs biggest problem is coaching i really dislike carbo and i think he is hurting our team,,,, but alll points made by beans i agree with but the leafs are still not the worst in my books,, maybe in a few years if this path continues but when we say worst we mean presently who knows what tomorow will bring moves can be made for now there futur looks bleak but im not a betting man i live in the world of facts and the facts are this year they are not the worst team and when next year roles around maybe they will be maybe they wont be time will tell i will not deem them the worst team this year because it SEEMS they have no futur we shall see when the futur rolls around!
Pasty |
