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| Larrydavid |
Posted - 01/11/2010 : 12:11:07
With this season pretty much over for us Oiler fans what should they do.
I think they have to get rid of salaries and finish in the bottom 3 this year.
The biggest contract that has to go is Horcoff, absolutely insane. I know it would be very tough to move but I think it is possible if you include Hemsky not that I want to trade Hemsky. I would rather lose Hemsky than have Horcofffs contract until the end of 2014-2015 at a cap hit of 5.5. Hemsky is the bargain at a cap hit if 4.1 until the end of 2011-2012.
I still think Souray has some value but a cap hit of 5.4 until 2011-2012. Realistically I don't know what he might fetch. A contender might want him for the PP.
There's many more that should go. Who should stay is a better question. Any suggestions? I don't get to see them much living in NS
If they can finish last and get Hall to go with Eberle and Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson it's a great start to actually building something.
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/29/2010 : 17:04:29
Classy. Get rid of Joey Moss???
Ultimately, Lowe is the guy on top. And for every decent Penner or Smid contract, there is a Horcoff and Pisani contract.
However, scouting has also been under his world as well, so can you also blame him for bringing in Gagner, Cogliano, Hemsky, Eberle, Paarvi-Svenson, Aston, etc???
Hindsight is 20/20 and always will be. Horcoff was coming off 2 of the past 4 seasons very close to a PPG.
I do agree that Lowe has a propencity to sign for potential rather than actual output, but let's not think that he is the only GM in the world that signs bad deals. Someone out there paid nearly $10 million a year for Briere, $3.5 million a season for Jeff Finger, or $6.5 million for Wade Redden. |
| Guest0416 |
Posted - 01/29/2010 : 16:22:58
This Oilers team has been a disgrace. The finger can be pointed at many people, but it comes down to K-Lowe and those hugh signings. Horcoff, my God is he over-paid and is currently
-24. The man should relinquish some of his salary to Haiti relief or something, so that some of his salary goes to something good because it sure isn't his play.
I agree with wiping the slate clean and that includes the likes of Joey Moss and that annoying announcer at Rexall Place. I have only been to a few games in my life cause I live in Saskatoon, but even when I hear him on TV is annoys me. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/29/2010 : 14:29:51
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Originally posted by Gusteroni
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Originally posted by Guest4227
Beans
Penner is overpaid as well. He played well for about 2 months. There is no way he scores even 30
I would disagree. He's at 22 goals now and there are 30 games left, it is very likely he will hit 30 maybe even 35.
"There are only two seasons in Canada...hockey season and not hockey season."
Considering he has done it without Hemsky for most of the season and really no other support from anyone. I would like to see a motivated Penner with Hemsky for an entire season as I would say 40 goals and 70 points for Penner and 80+ points and 20 goals for Hemsky is not a pipedream.
Unfortunately, the Oilers have far deeper problems than Penner and Hemsky. A healthy goalie, a defense that doesn't turn the puck over, and 3rd and 4th line that actually care would be a step in the right direction. But I am dreaming to think that is coming any time soon...... |
| Gusteroni |
Posted - 01/29/2010 : 11:27:59
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Originally posted by Guest4227
Beans
Penner is overpaid as well. He played well for about 2 months. There is no way he scores even 30
I would disagree. He's at 22 goals now and there are 30 games left, it is very likely he will hit 30 maybe even 35.
"There are only two seasons in Canada...hockey season and not hockey season." |
| Guest4227 |
Posted - 01/23/2010 : 04:56:56
Beans
Penner is overpaid as well. He played well for about 2 months. There is no way he scores even 30 |
| Guest0543 |
Posted - 01/20/2010 : 18:32:41
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
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Originally posted by Guest0543
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
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Originally posted by Guest6027
Isn't the solution rather obvious? Move the Oilers down to the WHL and they are likely to make the playoffs!! :-)
A Flames Fan :-)
Nice one! Sounds good, but I'm thinking the odds are about ....
9 - 1.....of it ever happening. Maybe that's a bit high...no.9 - 1 ...that sounds about right.... not 8 -1, but 9 - 1.
An Oilers Fan 
If your going to bring up scores from Monday night...
6-0 isnt much more glorious is it? At least Calgary has a win so far this decade muhahahahaha
And as for you mister Guest0543.......I got nothing....
you are right.....nice one
Its really just therapy picking on Oilers, when the flames have been so dreadful as of late. This is horrible that Oilers and Flames fans have so much in common as of late. Soon we will be sitting in pubs together talking about next season and how much we hate our teams...
That day i thought would never come. The leafs must be winning the cup this year |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 21:13:38
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Originally posted by Guest0543
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
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Originally posted by Guest6027
Isn't the solution rather obvious? Move the Oilers down to the WHL and they are likely to make the playoffs!! :-)
A Flames Fan :-)
Nice one! Sounds good, but I'm thinking the odds are about ....
9 - 1.....of it ever happening. Maybe that's a bit high...no.9 - 1 ...that sounds about right.... not 8 -1, but 9 - 1.
An Oilers Fan
If your going to bring up scores from Monday night...
6-0 isnt much more glorious is it? At least Calgary has a win so far this decade muhahahahaha
And as for you mister Guest0543.......I got nothing....
you are right.....nice one |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 21:11:38
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Originally posted by Canucks Man
As much as I enjoyed the flames getting romped last night, the oilers did as well, and the flames are currently in a play off spot, you really have no right to beak.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
Thanks for the heads up there sir!
Jus' so you know...the little smiley face thing there usually means the comment is made in a jesting manner, a joke, hopefully even some witty repartee'...
You Canucks fans are all just so serious....
note; see the smiley face, and see explanation above.
And oh yeah, I know the Oilers are horrible this year, but I refuse to pout or make excuses, what do you think I am, a Leafs fan???
again, see smiley face and refer to above.... |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 16:33:16
As much as I enjoyed the flames getting romped last night, the oilers did as well, and the flames are currently in a play off spot, you really have no right to beak.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 15:19:10
I really don't think that either team from Alberta has anything to talk about theses days. In the games I have watched in the past 3 weeks involving Calgary, they need to step up their game significantly. If they bring this game to the playoffs, they will only have 4 more games than the Oilers this season.
Geez, I just can't get past this Oilers thing. They have completely given up. I understand there is literally no hope of reaching the playoffs but you are professionals! I work for an organization that was hit really hard with the recession and there was no hope of anyone getting any kind of bonus or reward this past year(if you were lucky enough to keep your job) but does that mean I get to mail in the last 3 months of the year???
This season is a perfect example of where it should be possible to terminate a contract based on lack of effort. There would be about 12 Oilers looking for work.
It's crap when a fan starts thinking what could have been in January. Hemsky, Souray for a big part of the year, Khabibulin, and Penner falling back asleep. Not saying they would have been a playoff team, but at the least competative. And I wouldn't be warming up a friggin Leafs Avatar. (I just threw up in my mouth a little bit). |
| Guest0543 |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 15:09:02
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6027
Isn't the solution rather obvious? Move the Oilers down to the WHL and they are likely to make the playoffs!! :-)
A Flames Fan :-)
Nice one! Sounds good, but I'm thinking the odds are about ....
9 - 1.....of it ever happening. Maybe that's a bit high...no.9 - 1 ...that sounds about right.... not 8 -1, but 9 - 1.
An Oilers Fan
If your going to bring up scores from Monday night...
6-0 isnt much more glorious is it? At least Calgary has a win so far this decade muhahahahaha
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| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 13:52:47
quote:
Originally posted by Guest6027
Isn't the solution rather obvious? Move the Oilers down to the WHL and they are likely to make the playoffs!! :-)
A Flames Fan :-)
Nice one! Sounds good, but I'm thinking the odds are about ....
9 - 1.....of it ever happening. Maybe that's a bit high...no.9 - 1 ...that sounds about right.... not 8 -1, but 9 - 1.
An Oilers Fan |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 13:47:42
Thanks for the information Beans.
Until such a time as this could actually be a reality, the boys are stuck with some over paid talent.
Hmmm...could swear I overheard my boss telling a coworker the same thing ......and I don't think he was talking hockey!!!
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| Guest6027 |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 13:20:47
Isn't the solution rather obvious? Move the Oilers down to the WHL and they are likely to make the playoffs!! :-)
A Flames Fan :-) |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 13:19:16
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
All this contract talk raises a question for me that could change the complexion of what the 'worth' of some of the higher paid players is, and their impact on the current cap.
Can a player be traded and have part of his current contract salary shared amongst the team sending him, and the team receiving him? How does this affect the team's caps? Is the split salary weighed against each cap, or is it the full contract amount?
eg. Could a Horcoff be traded and Edmonton be responsible for say 60 percent of his salary until the contract is done. Would this free up the other 40 percent until such time?
Never really looked into it, hopefully someone here knows, if not, I will look it up.
This only happens when a player gets bought out or in Avery's case it was re-entry waivers.
However, this exact situation is something Brian Burke has brought to the Board of Governors as something to work on for next CBA. To be able to entice teams to make trades for players by one team keeping a certain amount of the salary. And yes, Horcoff would be a perfect example. Rather than the Oilers paying him $7 million,they could maybe trade him for a draft pick and retain $3 million in salary. Means the other team is paying close to market value for the player but the Oilers are still financially penalized for their poor contract.
It's not a bad plan. |
| HawkinOilCountry |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 12:22:28
I'm not 100% sure but doesn't Avery have an agreement something like that between NYR and Dallas?
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 12:17:01
All this contract talk raises a question for me that could change the complexion of what the 'worth' of some of the higher paid players is, and their impact on the current cap.
Can a player be traded and have part of his current contract salary shared amongst the team sending him, and the team receiving him? How does this affect the team's caps? Is the split salary weighed against each cap, or is it the full contract amount?
eg. Could a Horcoff be traded and Edmonton be responsible for say 60 percent of his salary until the contract is done. Would this free up the other 40 percent until such time?
Never really looked into it, hopefully someone here knows, if not, I will look it up. |
| Guest2789 |
Posted - 01/19/2010 : 09:37:38
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Originally posted by willus3
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=306283
Is Lowe really this inept?
Like I said earlier in this thread, Lowe was not a good Mgr.....Tambellini has a wicked mess to clean up...just look at the contracts and the players to those contracts..it is a joke. NHL Mgrs put themselves in these messes then cry about not having enough money to be competitive. Oilers will be bottom dwellers for at least a few years. |
| K73 |
Posted - 01/17/2010 : 21:21:03
that was me sorry |
| Guest8835 |
Posted - 01/17/2010 : 21:20:27
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Originally posted by Canucks Man
I think the Oilers should go after Marty Biron, he's now 3rd string with the Islanders and wont cost very much, and he is only on a one year contract.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
The absolute last thing the Oilers should do is try and sign a band-aid solution like Biron. We aren't making the Playoffs short of a miracle, and Biron is not a miracle-worker. Beyond that, provided Bulin doesn't drop dead next year, we're fine in net. |
| Canucks Man |
Posted - 01/17/2010 : 12:52:31
I think the Oilers should go after Marty Biron, he's now 3rd string with the Islanders and wont cost very much, and he is only on a one year contract.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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| Guest5940 |
Posted - 01/16/2010 : 21:18:40
trade penner,souray and some cap so we ca sign kovalchuk,and bring in a couple young guys like eberle svenson and hall/seguin/whoever |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/16/2010 : 16:15:35
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Originally posted by willus3
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=306283
Is Lowe really this inept?
Ok, in 5 minutes or less, no, Lowe is not that inepts. This report is really leaning towards that, but let's face the fact that not ALL of those contracts are that bad.
Let's look at this for a second. Visnovsky's contract was signed in LA, so that's not Lowe's deal. Secondly, he traded Stoll and Greene for Visnovsky which is still a good deal in my eyes. Stoll is getting $3.4 million and Greene at $2.75 so the money is a wash in comparison. And Visnokvsky gets that money from nearly every team in the league. Tied for 9th in the league in points, +6 on the worst team in the league. What do you expect? That salary is not a bad deal.
Souray has been hurt with a concussion. However, when healthy he is still one of the games best and most dangerous PP quarterbacks. He would also be getting those dollars from a different team.
Smid is an absolute steal at $1.3 million.
Grebechkov came off a 39 point and +12 season last year. He signed for $3.15 million. He is not playing great this season, but also had a concussion. You can't blame Lowe for that. Plus, it's only a 1 year deal, so he is off the books in 4 months.
That leaves Staios, who I agree was a bad, post Cup run signing and Gilbert, who has been my least favorite Oiler for the past 3 seasons.
Khabibulin, after last years playoffs and his career, is a fair deal at less than $4 million. There are very few teams in the NHL today that can say they have a legitimate #1 goalie who is not in an entry level deal for less than $4 million. Are we blaming him for getting injured??
Moving on to the forwards. Hemsky is value at $4 million for a player who will get you 50-60 assists and 70ish points all without a legitimate sniper to support him. Penner scoring 35-40 goals is a steal for $4.25 million. O'Sullivan has been snake bit this year, but at less than $3 million, it's no too bad. Not great, but not horrible.
Ultimately, those are the only players other than Horcoff, Pisani, and Nilsson that are getting more than $2 million a season. Now, all three I mentioned are not great signing. However, Pisani is off the books at the end of the year as well.
So where are all these bad deals??? At the end of the season, there are only 4 deals I would consider bad (Horcoff, Nilsson, Staios, and Gilbert). I don't think there are any teams in the NHL that you can't look at and find 4 bad contracts on.
However, I agree that these deals are very painful. Those 4 players lock up $16.2 million of salary for next season.
Ouch!!
However, the Oilers have 14 players on contract for next year for $44 million(average of $3.14 million). The Leafs, another cellar dweller have 12 players for $37 million($3.08 million average) and the Hurricanes have 15 players signed for $43 million($2.86 million).
That shows that the Hurricanes are looking to be in the best position to rebound. And the Leafs may appear to be a little better off than the Mighty Oil, but I know of only one of those teams that will get to use their lottery pick!!!
ZING!!!!! (That's for you Slozo, ya big cheater! can't believe I forgot the details of that bet! I'm not your friend anymore. I'm taking my ball and going home........) |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/16/2010 : 15:55:04
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Originally posted by slozo
Beans - you are wrong, and it is YOU who have forgotten the machinations of the bet.
If Toronto is ahead in the standings, of EITHER the Ottawa Senators or Edmonton Oilers, then I win the bet.
Please, look it up. YOu should remember it, you agreed to it! 
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Damn it! I either need to stop making bet when I am drinking or start making better bets!
Although there is only a 4 point spread right now, it's still a long way to go.
And I will pay my debt if I am the one to lose, but today the difference is based only on overtime loses (9 for TO compared to 5 for Edmonton).
I know I couldn't live with myself winning a bet based on OT loses.
Kidding aside, you are right. Edmonton AND Ottawa have to be ahead of TO in the standings, regardless of the method.
(insert picture of Beans sweating here) |
| Guest0486 |
Posted - 01/16/2010 : 09:28:07
Time to get a coach. I think Pat Quinn has had his day. They need a better motivator.
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| HawkinOilCountry |
Posted - 01/16/2010 : 07:53:11
Thanks for the article Willus, was an interesting read.
With the number of restricted free agents coming up this year is it feasible for Edmonton to simply let some of them go?
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
| Sensfan101 |
Posted - 01/16/2010 : 06:35:45
I heard the Oilers and Sens were having trade talks including Cogliano and Nillson a possible deal could be
To Ottawa
Coglaino
To Edmonton
2nd round pick for 2010
Brian Lee
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 22:28:05
Beans - you are wrong, and it is YOU who have forgotten the machinations of the bet.
If Toronto is ahead in the standings, of EITHER the Ottawa Senators or Edmonton Oilers, then I win the bet.
Please, look it up. YOu should remember it, you agreed to it!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| irvine |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 20:17:32
Yeah, it certainly seems like a tough road for Edmonton right now.
They have players making far too much (too many of them, at that) and their market value will not be high, if they can trade some at all. They will have to drop salary, and the way it looks to me is, they'll have to let them go without anything in return.
At the end of the day for Edmonton, they need to let a lot of vets go (and their salaries!) for whatever they can get that may be of value at a low contract price. If they can not get any return, let them walk. It may hurt now, but it will certainly help going in the off season and in to next season.
Begin a rebuild, develop the future.
Irvine/prez. |
| willus3 |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 19:52:20
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=306283
Is Lowe really this inept?
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 17:29:40
Slozo, do you forget that you made a bet in a three horse race?? As long as Ottawa is ahead of TO in the standings, I still win.
Thank God or I would definately be a Leafs fan for the playoffs.
It is still embarrassing that we are fighting over a lottery pick. We should be fighting in a playoff spot. |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 10:01:30
Knowing how badly my expectations have been met for the Leafs, Beans, will it be any consolation for you in the playoffs when you have to display a Maple Leafs avatar proudly because of our bet?
We are kneck and kneck for 2nd/3rd worst in the league . . . it's a scary competition!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 09:45:57
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Nope, wasn't me asking Crosby for his hand in marrige. I am more of a Mike Recci kind of guy. They are more my type. When I come to watch a TO game at the ACC, I'll be the leggy fella in the wedding dress with the "Marry Me Tim Hunter" sign.
Anyone who does not see many Oiler games but watch the Pitt/Edmonton game last night, this is par for the course. Stupid Oilers play solid team hockey for 40 minutes and look like they are on pace. Then, a completely different team with zero effort come out for the the 3rd period.
It's either this or that crap team played the entire game!!
It is seriously tough to be an Oilers fan today.
Tim Hunter....LOL!
Saw parts of that game last night only. Was out for dinner/drinks and it's 2-0 and suddenly it's 3-2? Not sure this is any consolation or not for Oilers faithful, but Ray Ferraro was asked on the radio yesterday which team will land Taylor Hall (1st pick), Carolina, Edmonton or Toronto (or should i say Boston?). Ferarro voted immediately for Edm due to the fact they have two inexperienced goalies. |
| Guest2321 |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 07:31:24
HORCOFF IS THE MOST OVERPAID IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. PERIOD. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 06:58:57
Nope, wasn't me asking Crosby for his hand in marrige. I am more of a Mike Recci kind of guy. They are more my type. When I come to watch a TO game at the ACC, I'll be the leggy fella in the wedding dress with the "Marry Me Tim Hunter" sign.
Anyone who does not see many Oiler games but watch the Pitt/Edmonton game last night, this is par for the course. Stupid Oilers play solid team hockey for 40 minutes and look like they are on pace. Then, a completely different team with zero effort come out for the the 3rd period.
It's either this or that crap team played the entire game!!
It is seriously tough to be an Oilers fan today. |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 06:27:44
Hmm... Beans, your 5 step plan could be applied to the leafs haha. (sorry to bring the leafs into this)
I really thought Renney and Quinn would have had a greater impact than they have so far, hopefully for Oil fans next season will be much better, im tired of seeing Edmonton behind Vancity and Calgary
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/15/2010 : 00:14:19
All i saw were the highlights, and the best one was the clip of the dude in the wedding dress with the sign that read "Marry me Sydney" or something along those lines?
For those who don't get the humour, the night before, there was a hottie (blonde) in Calgary in a wedding dress with a similar sign.
I think she was a little more serious? But i could be wrong? Beans, that wasn't you at the game tonight was it? |
| HawkinOilCountry |
Posted - 01/14/2010 : 22:06:48
Just watched the Edmonton-Pittsburgh game. The Oilers played probably the most consistent 40 minutes of Hockey I've seen from them in a loooong time. And then they blew it hard in the Third.
The Pittsburgh Crosbys didn't deserve the win they got tonight. They were outplayed for 2 periods and almost a full half of the third. The Oilers handed them the game on a silver platter. Why? Because here in Edmonton NHL games are only 40 mintues long. Or at least thats what it seems like.
This game had WAY too much in common with the Edmonton-Washington game.
On the upside: Cogs, O'Sullivan, and Vishnovsky all had solid games. But where was Penner, Souray, Staios, Moreau? Even Gagne was a non-entity for most of the game. Weren't these guys JUST called out on thier un-inspired play?
I could say that you can't win a game like this with only 3 players on thier game, but... the Staal line had ALL of Pittsburghs goals...
EDIT: Was anyone surprised to hear Pittsburgh goals getting loud CHEERS in Edmonton? That was a new experience to me. Must be the celebrity status of the team at work.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/14/2010 : 14:55:04
Never thought Gretzky wanted to be an NHL GM. He was pretty happy coaching.
Rumors I hear a little is that Sather's time in NY is coming to an end and when that happens, Messier will be the new GM and Tort's will be given his papers to put WG behind the bench.
Good for marketing anyway!
I agree with this last poster, although not to the degree that K-Lowe is a bad hockey mind. Actually, I think to the contrary. There is something behind the fact he has been the right hand man to the GM of the Olympic's for the past 12 years. There is not fluke there.
However, the Old Boys Club(K-Lowe, Predergast, etc) need to go just as much as the New Old Boys Club (Horcoff, Gilbert, Souray, Moreau).
Fresh start. Clean slate. New Direction. Above all, a little effort on the ice would be nice to see. |
| Larrydavid |
Posted - 01/14/2010 : 11:28:58
Replace Lowe with Gretzky |
