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| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 01/27/2008 : 17:55:31
in the 2008-2009 nhl season who will toronto's top two goaltenders be?? and also say why dont just vote
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| Guest4381 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 10:22:30
ok boneheads, here's the skinny.
When Tremblay was a colour commentator for the habs he'd criticize Roy occasionally. Roy got wind of tremblays comments.
After Tremblay got named coach, when he addressed the team in the locker room, Roy would snickering in the background.
When Demers was the coach he pampered the hell out of Roy. he'd askRoy which games he'd want to play or when he wanted a rest. Tremblay put an instant end to that.
So basically it was a power struggle from the start between 2 huge egos. |
| Guest6740 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 08:04:57
raycroft sucks lol mark my words he going to be amazing in colarado when they give him a chance this year and beat testicle in every stat |
| Guest4381 |
Posted - 10/17/2008 : 05:47:14
how about bower and palmaqueer? maybe even sawchuk |
| 99pickles |
Posted - 08/07/2008 : 08:08:58
I'm thinking that both were contributing factors (weakened D & butting heads with the coach)...but he could not have been sure he would have gone to a better team than Montreal - he was willing to take the risk just to get away from Tremblay.
Also, if you watch the footage, you can see that Roy 'tanks' it on a couple of the goals...that's unprofessional too. So both guys were daring the other to not do their job properly (stop pucks vs. pull an under-performing goalie).
Fascinating.... |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 08/06/2008 : 20:15:25
ummm no? thats not what my dad and my uncle's told me and they've been watching hockey for 40+ years im sure they would know.
they said when the habs lost players like chelios green and robinson roy couldnt stop the puck if he tried. people are telling me that tremblay was getting sick of the fact that roy couldnt stop a f***in beachball. i saw the video where i think it was mon vs det and the habs lost 10-1 or something like that, and roy walked off the ice over to the coach or someone and said im never playing for the habs again.
you can research it if you like and if im wrong show me the link and ill be glad to agree with you lf_101
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
Even though they said it before Cujo came back it still makes them morons. They would what, split the games 50/50. That's great for Pogge right? No, it's not. Would you make Pogge the backup, giving him the occasional game and so he finishes the season with 10-15 NHL games under his belt while riding the bench the rest of the year. No, that's idiotic. Would you make Pogge the starter! Absolutely not. A Pogge/Toskala tandem, even before the Leafs got Cujo, is just plain dumb.
BTW, Roy left Montreal because of Mario Tremblay, not because of a crappy defense. They constantly butted heads and Roy finally had the last straw when Tremblay refused to pull him from net ad wanted to humiliate him further. Roy demanded the trade after that incident because he believed Tremblay had not been professional with him and didn't treat him fairly.
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| leafsfan_101 |
Posted - 08/06/2008 : 20:04:19
Even though they said it before Cujo came back it still makes them morons. They would what, split the games 50/50. That's great for Pogge right? No, it's not. Would you make Pogge the backup, giving him the occasional game and so he finishes the season with 10-15 NHL games under his belt while riding the bench the rest of the year. No, that's idiotic. Would you make Pogge the starter! Absolutely not. A Pogge/Toskala tandem, even before the Leafs got Cujo, is just plain dumb.
BTW, Roy left Montreal because of Mario Tremblay, not because of a crappy defense. They constantly butted heads and Roy finally had the last straw when Tremblay refused to pull him from net ad wanted to humiliate him further. Roy demanded the trade after that incident because he believed Tremblay had not been professional with him and didn't treat him fairly. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 08/06/2008 : 15:50:08
LF_101 i agree with alot of the things you said
but
ok i do not hate roy's guts. i do agree he was a great goalie. but he did cheat. he did play good for both teams. but he had a great defence. he did quit montreal because he didnt have the guts to stick with them the rest of the way through. that shows he didnt have any heart. and if he was a amazing goalie he would have held his own with a team with bad defence. and lets just take patrick roy and put him on the 06-07 or 07-08 leafs and see how well he does.
and when people said toskala and pogge should be the top 2 it doesnt make them morons. they said that because i made this post back before the got cujo back.
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
i said roy wasnt in the top ten because the only reason he won with montreal is because they had an amazing team. then when they lost their defence he quit. as much as i hate the habs. as a goaltender i can say i would not have just quit the team cause of their bad players.
roy did decent with his time in montreal.
he did good with colorado
but like i said they were stacked as well as the habs were.
with kariya forsberg selanne sakic hedjuk blake foote
and to make you feel better. roy was in the top 15 dont worry about it.
oh and also my dad told me this sorry if i dont have proof but im sure he is not lieng to me.
that patrick roy had inflateable things in the underarms of his jersey to stop the puck .kinda like what cam ward had that one year.( the bags in the back of his pads so when he closed them if the puck got through then the bags would stop it)
Leafsfan_94
Roy was average in Montreal  I think that is understatement of the year, as well as that he was only "good" in Colorado. Roy was not only good because of the team in front of him, but he was a great goalie. He mastered the butterfly and knew all of his angles extremely well.
I don't care if you hate this guy's guts, he is definitely in the top 5 all time. No lower, and if you have him lower then you are a moron.
Also, the Habs didn't plan on making Carey Price the starter last year. Remember that he came to fill in for Huet, got some starts and excelled. He was not in the depth chart, and was supposed to stay in Hamilton. Goalies are their best between the ages of 25-30 and are still very good until at least 33. Pogge will get his chance later, but not now. It is very rare that goalies play well at his age, and it will be best not to rush Pogge.
Also, why would you make Pogge the backup? At least at the AHL level he is getting lots of starts and is improving rapidly. Toskala is a ready NHL goalie and will be with the team as the starter for about 3 years only. After that Pogge will take over. In three years the Leafs will have a better all around team and Pogge will fit right in. All of the people who voted for Pogge / Toskala for next year are plain dumb. End of story.
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| leafsfan_101 |
Posted - 08/06/2008 : 15:44:15
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
i said roy wasnt in the top ten because the only reason he won with montreal is because they had an amazing team. then when they lost their defence he quit. as much as i hate the habs. as a goaltender i can say i would not have just quit the team cause of their bad players.
roy did decent with his time in montreal.
he did good with colorado
but like i said they were stacked as well as the habs were.
with kariya forsberg selanne sakic hedjuk blake foote
and to make you feel better. roy was in the top 15 dont worry about it.
oh and also my dad told me this sorry if i dont have proof but im sure he is not lieng to me.
that patrick roy had inflateable things in the underarms of his jersey to stop the puck .kinda like what cam ward had that one year.( the bags in the back of his pads so when he closed them if the puck got through then the bags would stop it)
Leafsfan_94
Roy was average in Montreal I think that is understatement of the year, as well as that he was only "good" in Colorado. Roy was not only good because of the team in front of him, but he was a great goalie. He mastered the butterfly and knew all of his angles extremely well.
I don't care if you hate this guy's guts, he is definitely in the top 5 all time. No lower, and if you have him lower then you are a moron.
Also, the Habs didn't plan on making Carey Price the starter last year. Remember that he came to fill in for Huet, got some starts and excelled. He was not in the depth chart, and was supposed to stay in Hamilton. Goalies are their best between the ages of 25-30 and are still very good until at least 33. Pogge will get his chance later, but not now. It is very rare that goalies play well at his age, and it will be best not to rush Pogge.
Also, why would you make Pogge the backup? At least at the AHL level he is getting lots of starts and is improving rapidly. Toskala is a ready NHL goalie and will be with the team as the starter for about 3 years only. After that Pogge will take over. In three years the Leafs will have a better all around team and Pogge will fit right in. All of the people who voted for Pogge / Toskala for next year are plain dumb. End of story. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 08/06/2008 : 15:32:42
im guessing nobody agrees with me on any of this right?
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| 99pickles |
Posted - 08/06/2008 : 15:14:08
Tony Esposito did a similar thing - he had web between his upper legs in the back to catch pucks. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 08/06/2008 : 08:51:14
i said roy wasnt in the top ten because the only reason he won with montreal is because they had an amazing team. then when they lost their defence he quit. as much as i hate the habs. as a goaltender i can say i would not have just quit the team cause of their bad players.
roy did decent with his time in montreal.
he did good with colorado
but like i said they were stacked as well as the habs were.
with kariya forsberg selanne sakic hedjuk blake foote
and to make you feel better. roy was in the top 15 dont worry about it.
oh and also my dad told me this sorry if i dont have proof but im sure he is not lieng to me.
that patrick roy had inflateable things in the underarms of his jersey to stop the puck .kinda like what cam ward had that one year.( the bags in the back of his pads so when he closed them if the puck got through then the bags would stop it)
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| Leafs Rock Planet |
Posted - 08/06/2008 : 07:58:50
Price did just as well if not better in the WJC. Carey Price was named goaltender of the Tournament and MVP! Not to mention Pogge arguably had the better team playing in front of him. You are throwing out facts just to prove your point but the are wrong!
I also cannot belive you are saying Patrick Roy was not even in the top 10 goalies ever. You cannot win 3 vezina's, 3 Conn Smythes and 4 Stanley Cups and not be considered a top 10 goalie in the league. Look him up or search him somewhere because you obviously no nothing about the guy. Im not saying he was the best ever but you cant say he was in the top 10! Look him up please.
Then you are saying that the only reason he succeded was because of the team in front of him. Well arguably Pogge had a better team in front of him and Price still arguably did better.
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| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 08/05/2008 : 19:04:01
ok i kknow his first year with the marlies wasnt great. this year i thougt he did good. he was amazing in the WJC. and price is a number one goalie ehh and if pogge didnt prove himself neither did price.
he did have a good year winnnin the calder cup with hamilton but they were also really good. you just like how everyone says p. roy was the best goalie ever when hes not even in the top ten. his statswere good with montreal because they had a good defence then when there d got traded away or injured he wouldnt play for the habs any more. then he goes to colorado and they have players like sakic,kariya,forsberg,blake,hedjuk and selanne. and every one thinks hes amazing.
price didnt do as well as pogge did in the WJC. and price didnt even do good this year. he did ok but hes not ready for a starter job.
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Originally posted by Leafs Rock Planet
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
i made this topic a long time ago. but heres what i think now.
since everybody thinks toskala is so great and im guessing wilson thinks that too considering he coached him back in SJ. vesa will play 55 to 65 games. so when i said it will be toskala starter poggge backup i am now changing my mind. see pogge is the future. so we NEED him playing games. so if toskala is playing 60+ games he'll barely get any ice time.so i think he needs a little more time in the AHL to prove himself worthy (even though i think he already has) and to get more ice time and to get better. he wont be getting much better by sitting on the bench. unless of course they trade toskala which they wont.
heres what I think they should have done.
1. they should have kept raycroft
sure hes had his ups and downs. and people think that getting 37 wins is bad on a horrible defensive team. now back in 06-07 ryan miller who was supposively one of the best netminders in the NHL had 40 wins. and a really good defensive team. he only had 3 wins more than raycroft. and raycroft plays on a horrible defensive team. or maybe if raycroft had more help in fornt of him his numbers would have been better no?
i think they should have kept raycroft number one even though after all the s*** he got this year he has any confidence left at all. and traded toskala for GOOD DEFENSE alot of teams are looking for good goalies like toskala.
2. make pogge backup
c'mon the kid proved himself that hes good enough for a back up roll in the nhl
give raycroft maybe like 45 games and pogge 37 to ee how he does. and now that you've got a decent defence they will have better numbers and people will stop critisizing the leafs goaltenders.
i actually would have a little more to say but i have stuff to do. hopefully this will change peoples minds on the leafs. i doubbt it will but this is just to show you my point of view on the leafs goaltending situation
Leafsfan_94
Im sorry but could you explain to me how Pogge has proven himself good enough to be in the NHL.
He has been average to good for the Marlies and you cant point in the direction of the WJC where im pretty sure he did not lose a game. Comparing the caliber of play in the minors to the NHL is near impossible.
None-the-less i fail to see how he has proven himself to be ready.
Im not saying I wouldnt mind seeing him as a backup to Vesa but I fail to see your logic.
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| Leafs Rock Planet |
Posted - 08/05/2008 : 17:09:12
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Originally posted by Leafsfan_94
i made this topic a long time ago. but heres what i think now.
since everybody thinks toskala is so great and im guessing wilson thinks that too considering he coached him back in SJ. vesa will play 55 to 65 games. so when i said it will be toskala starter poggge backup i am now changing my mind. see pogge is the future. so we NEED him playing games. so if toskala is playing 60+ games he'll barely get any ice time.so i think he needs a little more time in the AHL to prove himself worthy (even though i think he already has) and to get more ice time and to get better. he wont be getting much better by sitting on the bench. unless of course they trade toskala which they wont.
heres what I think they should have done.
1. they should have kept raycroft
sure hes had his ups and downs. and people think that getting 37 wins is bad on a horrible defensive team. now back in 06-07 ryan miller who was supposively one of the best netminders in the NHL had 40 wins. and a really good defensive team. he only had 3 wins more than raycroft. and raycroft plays on a horrible defensive team. or maybe if raycroft had more help in fornt of him his numbers would have been better no?
i think they should have kept raycroft number one even though after all the s*** he got this year he has any confidence left at all. and traded toskala for GOOD DEFENSE alot of teams are looking for good goalies like toskala.
2. make pogge backup
c'mon the kid proved himself that hes good enough for a back up roll in the nhl
give raycroft maybe like 45 games and pogge 37 to ee how he does. and now that you've got a decent defence they will have better numbers and people will stop critisizing the leafs goaltenders.
i actually would have a little more to say but i have stuff to do. hopefully this will change peoples minds on the leafs. i doubbt it will but this is just to show you my point of view on the leafs goaltending situation
Leafsfan_94
Im sorry but could you explain to me how Pogge has proven himself good enough to be in the NHL.
He has been average to good for the Marlies and you cant point in the direction of the WJC where im pretty sure he did not lose a game. Comparing the caliber of play in the minors to the NHL is near impossible.
None-the-less i fail to see how he has proven himself to be ready.
Im not saying I wouldnt mind seeing him as a backup to Vesa but I fail to see your logic. |
| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 16:16:26
i made this topic a long time ago. but heres what i think now.
since everybody thinks toskala is so great and im guessing wilson thinks that too considering he coached him back in SJ. vesa will play 55 to 65 games. so when i said it will be toskala starter poggge backup i am now changing my mind. see pogge is the future. so we NEED him playing games. so if toskala is playing 60+ games he'll barely get any ice time.so i think he needs a little more time in the AHL to prove himself worthy (even though i think he already has) and to get more ice time and to get better. he wont be getting much better by sitting on the bench. unless of course they trade toskala which they wont.
heres what I think they should have done.
1. they should have kept raycroft
sure hes had his ups and downs. and people think that getting 37 wins is bad on a horrible defensive team. now back in 06-07 ryan miller who was supposively one of the best netminders in the NHL had 40 wins. and a really good defensive team. he only had 3 wins more than raycroft. and raycroft plays on a horrible defensive team. or maybe if raycroft had more help in fornt of him his numbers would have been better no?
i think they should have kept raycroft number one even though after all the s*** he got this year he has any confidence left at all. and traded toskala for GOOD DEFENSE alot of teams are looking for good goalies like toskala.
2. make pogge backup
c'mon the kid proved himself that hes good enough for a back up roll in the nhl
give raycroft maybe like 45 games and pogge 37 to ee how he does. and now that you've got a decent defence they will have better numbers and people will stop critisizing the leafs goaltenders.
i actually would have a little more to say but i have stuff to do. hopefully this will change peoples minds on the leafs. i doubbt it will but this is just to show you my point of view on the leafs goaltending situation
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| wyntyre |
Posted - 07/30/2008 : 16:02:35
Vesa and it doesn't matter....although we know now it's Cujo...and Scott went back to Jersey....I woner how many game Cujo will get though....he looked really funny (shaky) with the flames...until the playoffs...
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| Leafsfan_94 |
Posted - 03/21/2008 : 18:33:43
ok a couple things
1. raycroft does not suck whatsoever. he barely gets any time to show what hes got. he plyaed 72 games last year. tied for first on the club record with 37 wins. and played extremly good considering of the defence infront of him.
2. i agree with your choices of toskala and pogge
3. i think they should leave clemmenson with the minors as the starter and get Todd Ford or Jason Reimer as backup. and for the leafs with toskala as starter or raycroft get rid of one of them. and pogge as backup and they should be fine.
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Originally posted by Guest4953
There's no debate here. We've all seen that Raycroft SUCKS and i doubt that Clemenson has enough experience to carry that big a load. Toskala has proven that he can be a #1 goalie this year and Pogge is the goalie of the future with big time potential.
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| Guest4953 |
Posted - 03/17/2008 : 17:26:37
There's no debate here. We've all seen that Raycroft SUCKS and i doubt that Clemenson has enough experience to carry that big a load. Toskala has proven that he can be a #1 goalie this year and Pogge is the goalie of the future with big time potential. |
| ERTW0T9 |
Posted - 01/28/2008 : 16:17:26
My vote is for Toskala and Pogge.
I'm not too sure what Pogge's development will be like by training camp next year. It sure looked like he was a suitable backup from what we saw this pre-season. Raycroft is as good as gone by season's end and Clemmensen isn't signed for next year so who knows what his future with the club is. |
| hkalirah |
Posted - 01/28/2008 : 10:21:35
I think it'll be Toskala and Clemensson. I don't see the Leafs rushing Pogge into the NHL just yet. He may come in and replace Clemensson later in the year, but on opening day, he'll still be with the Marlies.
Go Wings Go! |
| leafsrock27 |
Posted - 01/28/2008 : 10:16:41
pogge and toskala
t.s. |
| Antroman |
Posted - 01/27/2008 : 19:01:09
Remember I said Strallman is a star in the making? Well you can take Pogge to the bank as well. As long as "Draft Smaft" Trader Cliff doesn't get too carried away, Toskala and Pogge will be the starters next year. Nobody is exempt from the proposed house cleaning though and if it makes sense to trade one or both of these guys then who knows? I think Clemmenson is only under contact for this year but I may be wrong about that? Raycroft is finished. If he can't be moved I suspect he will be bought out. I personally do not see an NHL future for this guy. He has his moments but he has too many of those other moments as well. |
