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hanley6 Posted - 01/02/2009 : 01:17:18
Who Should Toronto name as Captain? explain
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Guest2269 Posted - 06/04/2009 : 08:48:25
now if Burke can bring both H and D sedin then Henrick should be captian he desivers it and d should be Alternate. Now if they dont come over to TO then Kaberla should be captian he has been there for a long time and should be the captian. but we will see who will be captain it could be someone burke brings in on July 1st.
JOSHUACANADA Posted - 06/03/2009 : 10:48:59
quote:
Originally posted by Rambo2305

quote:
Originally posted by CodyM

I think Kubina is the best we got right now



Apparently Kubina's won over Wilson and Burke with his off ice leadership, more so with Schenn and the other young players. Not to mention, pretty much all of his goals were rather to tie the game, or win the game. He really steps it up in the clutch. He's the front runner for the "C", 2nd to him is Blake because of his on and off ice ethic last year, not to mention, the cancer situation really inspired some players.

"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford

Your assuming that Kubina, Blake and Kaberle are part of Burkes long term goals here. Cant see Blake the face of the TO Leafs at media time. I think they import a player to fill it until Schenn proves he's there to stay. After all he's no Sydney Crosby/Steve Yserman.
Rambo2305 Posted - 06/03/2009 : 06:05:13
quote:
Originally posted by CodyM

I think Kubina is the best we got right now



Apparently Kubina's won over Wilson and Burke with his off ice leadership, more so with Schenn and the other young players. Not to mention, pretty much all of his goals were rather to tie the game, or win the game. He really steps it up in the clutch. He's the front runner for the "C", 2nd to him is Blake because of his on and off ice ethic last year, not to mention, the cancer situation really inspired some players.

"Most people spend time and energy going around problems, rather than trying to solve them" - Henry Ford
CodyM Posted - 06/02/2009 : 17:22:14
I think Kubina is the best we got right now
Matt_Roberts85 Posted - 04/23/2009 : 12:27:51
quote:
Originally posted by mard65

Once again.....WHO CARES!



dude, you really don't have much to contribute to this forum except for "who cares!?" when it comes to the leafs...

If you haven't noticed the leafs have some of the most die hard fans, not to mention that there are a TON of them. Alot of people care.

Who cares if YOU don't care!

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Guest2987 Posted - 04/23/2009 : 10:58:00
There seems to be no problem with Hanley's choice, he is young and an awesome hockey player and as for being young does anyone remember a guy named Yzerman or Toews all young and are awesome leaders. Get you heads out of the clouds, let him be the leader and grow with the team and maybe one day the Leafs may make the playoffs!!
Guest9817 Posted - 04/23/2009 : 07:29:00
quote:
Originally posted by Guest0820

quote:
Originally posted by Guest9817

Schenn may be young, but had any of you watched all 82 regular season games this year, you would know that he is already a leader on this team. I have a feeling he's going to get the "C", and when he does, I'll applaud Leaf management. They'd be showing who our franchise is going to be built around, and who our go-to guy will be (and already is). He'll captain the Leafs for years to come, and eventually lead us to a Cup.


first of all, who cares about the next leaf captain.
secondly, Schenn WILL one day wear the "C" - but not for the leafs, he's too smart to stay there
and finally, "lead us to the Cup"... you MUST be talking about some cup at amateur GOLF tournament hosted by burke!!!




If you were trying to be funny, you failed. Stay out of a thread you know nothing about.
Guest9277 Posted - 04/22/2009 : 14:47:42
quote:
Originally posted by mard65

Once again.....WHO CARES!




Well... these people apparently lol.

I vote wait it out till a true leader comes along. Shenn is too young. I'm not a huge fan of kids being captain, though he has shown tremendous leadership qualities already.
mard65 Posted - 04/22/2009 : 14:18:53
Once again.....WHO CARES!
Guest4546 Posted - 04/22/2009 : 10:06:02
schen gonna be the future I hope, thats why he should wear the C
Guest0820 Posted - 04/21/2009 : 19:23:24
quote:
Originally posted by Guest9817

Schenn may be young, but had any of you watched all 82 regular season games this year, you would know that he is already a leader on this team. I have a feeling he's going to get the "C", and when he does, I'll applaud Leaf management. They'd be showing who our franchise is going to be built around, and who our go-to guy will be (and already is). He'll captain the Leafs for years to come, and eventually lead us to a Cup.


first of all, who cares about the next leaf captain.
secondly, Schenn WILL one day wear the "C" - but not for the leafs, he's too smart to stay there
and finally, "lead us to the Cup"... you MUST be talking about some cup at amateur GOLF tournament hosted by burke!!!
Guest9817 Posted - 04/21/2009 : 08:42:02
Schenn may be young, but had any of you watched all 82 regular season games this year, you would know that he is already a leader on this team. I have a feeling he's going to get the "C", and when he does, I'll applaud Leaf management. They'd be showing who our franchise is going to be built around, and who our go-to guy will be (and already is). He'll captain the Leafs for years to come, and eventually lead us to a Cup.
Rambo2305 Posted - 04/21/2009 : 08:14:50
No one has really earned the honour yet, maybe Kaberle.

The Leafs number 1 priority right now is to get one or two solid scorers. Rumours have it Burke want's the Sedins. He gave them their shot so they have been rumoured to be leaving the Canucks is they don't go far this year. If we get a legit scorer, whoever they are, they will probably be the next captain.

"Everytime you step out onto the ice, it's a clean slate, anyone can win"
Guest9838 Posted - 04/21/2009 : 07:20:30
I think the leafs are doing the right thing holding off from naming a captain right now. I've said it before there is no one there who can fill that role currently. Maybe Schenn down the line, but not yet. Kaberle is the closest thing to a leader on the team, but he's probably just a on-ice, lead by example type of guy, can't see him rallying the trooops and carrying the team on his shoulders.

I think they have to either import a captain or wait for someone to grow into the role, it could take a couple years before you see a legit captain in Toronto.
Guest1758 Posted - 04/20/2009 : 07:35:00
Hey jephman: What about S.Crosby!!!
Guest4037 Posted - 04/19/2009 : 09:17:03
Im surprised I havent seen Poni's name yet, he is on of the better players on the leafs, but thats not why I picked him as I know I would get chopped down like the last guy.

Hes a fairly big guy and has been on the leafs since 1998, I think he would be a great captain. other then that, Kaberle definatley.
Guest9729 Posted - 04/19/2009 : 09:14:37
Toskala is the man. He will be back and stronger than ever. And will be the next GREAT LEADER.
Reeder17 Posted - 04/19/2009 : 08:51:31
Brad May for Captain..

Crosby is not the Lord & Savior of the NHL, get over yourself McGuire.
Gretzky has never once high-sticked a member of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
forumer09 Posted - 04/19/2009 : 06:44:52
i think luke chien hes young and the leafs can work oin him and hes not a bad player
hanley6 Posted - 01/07/2009 : 20:01:26
quote:
Originally posted by Axey

quote:
Originally posted by MSC

I just browsed through this but did I seriously see somewhere that Blake has heart and leadership? He's lucky to still have a spot on that team, how many times does he have to be demoted to the third and fourth line before he gets the picture? And did I also skim past something saying Joseph should be the starter over Toskala. Whoever said these things is either the most naive uninformed Leafs fan ever or a Habs fan in disguise.



If you are referring to me, I didn't say he should start, I said he has the perfect knowledge and experience to be the captain over the other players in the dressing room. Toskala is obviously the starter.

Chicago Blackhawks GM

Jesus didn't tap.



don't worry Axey, MSC was referring to me
Axey Posted - 01/07/2009 : 10:43:35
quote:
Originally posted by MSC

No I don't think it was you, it was the same person who as of late has been making ridiculous comments. However to touch on your points if I may...

Luongo being named captain should by no means open up a flood gate of goalies becoming captains. Prior to this year you would have never considered Cujo as captain. He has no right or business even being considered for captain. Even if Cujo was in his prime and starting for the Leafs there are other players on the team who are far more suitable and would be far more effective with a C on his chest.



Yes I agree, you are getting me wrong here in the other comment I was saying if they had a player with his experience and knowledge and what not that would be perfect for captaincy. I do not like the idea of a goalie being a captain one bit. Also he isn't even really that much of a standout but on this team I think he would be leading candidate if he was a player and not a goalie. Kind of see what I'm saying?

Chicago Blackhawks GM

Jesus didn't tap.
Matt_Roberts85 Posted - 01/07/2009 : 10:38:41
Is it any wonder why Dave Keon wants nothing to do wtih the Leafs, even after all these years? What a mess.
(they are my favorite team too....and i also have many ulcers...)
One day baby....one day..... glory

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
MSC Posted - 01/07/2009 : 09:59:48
No I don't think it was you, it was the same person who as of late has been making ridiculous comments. However to touch on your points if I may...

Luongo being named captain should by no means open up a flood gate of goalies becoming captains. Prior to this year you would have never considered Cujo as captain. He has no right or business even being considered for captain. Even if Cujo was in his prime and starting for the Leafs there are other players on the team who are far more suitable and would be far more effective with a C on his chest.
Axey Posted - 01/07/2009 : 09:26:33
quote:
Originally posted by MSC

I just browsed through this but did I seriously see somewhere that Blake has heart and leadership? He's lucky to still have a spot on that team, how many times does he have to be demoted to the third and fourth line before he gets the picture? And did I also skim past something saying Joseph should be the starter over Toskala. Whoever said these things is either the most naive uninformed Leafs fan ever or a Habs fan in disguise.



If you are referring to me, I didn't say he should start, I said he has the perfect knowledge and experience to be the captain over the other players in the dressing room. Toskala is obviously the starter.

Chicago Blackhawks GM

Jesus didn't tap.
Guest4631 Posted - 01/07/2009 : 08:47:39
Hanley06 you are seriously going to say Blake as captain and he has heart. have your ever seem him play? plus he is dirty and according to your opinion of crosby you dont like that kind of player, as for lemieux greztky, mario was the better goal scorer, that was admitted by the great one himself, ass for 200 years sorry mario only had a 199 point year in 76 games, and all of gretzkys 200 years came during his years on the oilers super team not knocking gretz he was amazing but he wasnt that far ahead of mario to say he couldnt even kiss his shoes. come on get real do u even watch hockey or just read stats?

and after 14 games u seriously cant put schenn as one of the best defensive defencemen in the league yet.

as for t.o's captain i beleive they will stick out this year with the group of alternates and the captain will be someone they obtain in the offseason or through trades this year
Guest7179 Posted - 01/07/2009 : 07:20:12
i voted for no need for captain. this team is the most disconnected bunch of players the nhl has ever seen. never has so much interest been put together for so much time on a GM!! people don't even care about the players anymore, they are more interested in burke!! he doesn't skate, score, or stop pucks - the players do, and they don't know how to do that yet this year!!! as mentioned before, the stick boy should be captain, he's been there the longest and shows up EVERY night to do his job... that's leadership the players should learn from.
MSC Posted - 01/07/2009 : 06:42:51
I just browsed through this but did I seriously see somewhere that Blake has heart and leadership? He's lucky to still have a spot on that team, how many times does he have to be demoted to the third and fourth line before he gets the picture? And did I also skim past something saying Joseph should be the starter over Toskala. Whoever said these things is either the most naive uninformed Leafs fan ever or a Habs fan in disguise.
Porkchop73 Posted - 01/07/2009 : 03:18:53
Hanley6, people do not agree with you, get over it. You have stated your opinion and they are giving theirs. Neither is right or wrong, that is what hockey blogs are all about. You get of topic by letting yourself get all freaked out that people are not agreeing with you and in turn it ruins what is a good topic for discussion.
The next captain for the leafs is going to be a hot topic for all leafs fans until one is named. Most Leaf captains make celebrity status in the city and become fan favourites. The next captain does not have to be a Mark Messier type leader, he does not have to lead with skill, he simply has to be a player that the guys in the dressing room want to follow. In order to be a great leader, people must want to follow you. Hopefully the Leafs can find such a player.
hanley6 Posted - 01/07/2009 : 00:16:44
quote:
Originally posted by Axey
I just believe that for the job that Cliff did he was let go unfairly and disrespectfully, yes he knew he was the 'interim' GM but I just feel for the guy. Have a little dignity T.O. and this is coming from a die hard Habs fan.



Cliff Fletcher wasn't let go at all. He is still in Toronto's Management he is the Special Advisor
Axey Posted - 01/06/2009 : 22:46:07
I'm getting sick of this, you could say Lecavalier started it but it was definitely Crosby. This whole 'Ou we have an 18 year old who is going to be the face of our franchise in years to come, lets throw him the C'. Seriously? Is there any meaning left to the letter? Do you think some 39 year old veteran who has seen what it takes to win, has been there and knows the game better then these kids will for many years is going to respect these kids? Look at Detroit, look at all of the teams who have won the cup recently, have they had these jokes of captains? Sure one day they will deserve it but even if they do pipe up in the dressing room here and there and are very skilled there is so much more that comes with bein a captain. There is so much these players need to learn, and if they had great leaders around them they could pick it up and learn from these guys with all of the experience and knowledge they have. (Now here we go, everyone is going to lose their mind because this week its 'let's defend Crosby and maybe next week we'll turn and bash him' in stead of the alternative. I am not bashing Crosby, I don't mind him but I'm not all hyped up with Crosby mania either. Does he deserve his C? Maybe. Do the other young captains? Maybe. Are they doing a good job? Could be. All I am saying is that no matter the circumstances teams should always let their stars players come in and get some experience and learn a few things first. Look back when hockey was tough, look at the leaders everyone had then, tell me they compare to some of the young leaders of today and you my friend should re-evaluate your whole thought process.)

I believe it is definitely Kaberle who should have the captaincy if anyone besides well probably Curtis Joseph if he wasn't on the pine pony all of the time, a guy who resembles him would be perfect for captaincy. I liked the direction this team was going with Cliff, he did an awesome job of getting rid of the dead weight, bringing up some younger players and was probably 4 or 5 moves and a draft away from a contending team. Now with Burke, who was signed as the next thing to god himself, is doing nothing right now, Bob Gainey has made more deals since his signing then Burke has (Ahah not a serious move just the Kemp deal). I do however expect Burke to go pretty crazy at the deadline and summer. But once again he has acquired a team that is not that far away from contending if you look at the big picture. All that is needed is about 2 or 3 gritty veteran players, a couple of stars up front and ladies and gentlemen this team wouldn't look bad. I just believe that for the job that Cliff did he was let go unfairly and disrespectfully, yes he knew he was the 'interim' GM but I just feel for the guy. Have a little dignity T.O. and this is coming from a die hard Habs fan.

Also I think the biggest mistake that the Leafs ever did was letting go of Pat Quinn, what a great coach he is and I said that since he was hired and fired in T.O and it wasn't just the world juniors that made me jump on the bandwagon. But I suspect him to be in Ottawa very shortly and I said this before TSN informed everyone, as soon as I first heard word of him and Eugene on good terms and becoming to buddies. I know I went a little off topic but hey, I had to get it all out.

Chicago Blackhawks GM

Jesus didn't tap.
hanley6 Posted - 01/06/2009 : 22:16:53
quote:
Originally posted by Guest4631

seriously schenn captain, he has played 14 games, cujo is a great choice for starter..... if it was 1999 not 2009. toskala is a fairly solid goalie but the team in front of sucks, lemieux had the skill to be as good as gretzky but injurys never let that story play out. as for crosby whinning, gretzky complained as much if not more and he was more protected then crosby ever will be. Hustler09 was clearly being a little sarcastic n over exagerating. and cant blame him.... you have been trying to knock crosby in every single forum you get a chance in. and you accuse lemieux of missing games for a hang nail, he only played 5 seasons befor he had his back surgury and it was a problem befor that 2!




I know we are getting off topic again but when Hustler09 says things that I never mentioned I going to say something. Same goes with anyone else. About Schenn, there really isn't anyone else on Toronto beside Blake, or Stajan that shows heart or team spirit, loyalty, and leadership. I believe Schenn would be the perfect captain and he is the Future of Toronto. I agree Cujo is not the same goalie as he was 10 years ago but he is still the best thing Toronto has got as far as goaltenders right now. Lemieux was a great player for sure I'll give him that. But he couldn't kiss Gretzky's shoes as a goal scorer, playmaker or plain old hockey smarts. No one will. I've said this before,,, Gretzky's first 847 NHL games he had 1979 Points in only 847 games Gretzky had 256 more points than what Lemieux had in 915 games.
Even if Lemieux played as many games as Gretzky, Lemieux wouldn't have as much points. Gretzky racked points like no one else could. Gretzky actually was able to reach atleast 200 points in a season, that's unheard of not just once, not twice but 4 times. How many times has Lemieux had 200 Points in a season????? that's right,,, NEVER!!!. Again Lemieux was a great player, better than anyone in the NHL present day for sure, but he wasn't The Great One.. Sure Gretzky was protected but only the smart of his team, they didn't want to take the chance of him getting hurt. He was never protected by the League. There was no Rule stating you can't hit Gretzky. Gretzky could actually take a hit without having a fit or flopping around like a fish, like everyone's precious Crosby does now you all know that's true, you can't deny that. Crosby is a huge diver one of the biggest in NHL and he's also a dirty cheap shot artist.
Guest4631 Posted - 01/06/2009 : 19:59:18
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6

ok you are putting words in my mouth. Yes I agree 19 years old can have leadership skills...I feel Cujo should be the number 1 goalie over Toskala because Cujo don't allow weak goals like Toskala does every game. I never said Crosby should be in the miners but he is a whining baby, I never said he couldn't play I just said he's not as good as Ovechkin and Malkin. I never said Mario Lemieux should be taken out of the Hall of Fame because he had cancer. I never said he should be taken out of the Hall of Fame period. He does belong there but I don't feel he is as good of a hockey player as Gretzky. I never said anything wrong about him having cancer, I felt bad for the guy. I respect him for making a come back. I was talking about early in his career before his back problems. I am not cold hearted like you are trying to make me sound, saying s*** that I never said. Get a life!!!



seriously schenn captain, he has played 14 games, cujo is a great choice for starter..... if it was 1999 not 2009. toskala is a fairly solid goalie but the team in front of sucks, lemieux had the skill to be as good as gretzky but injurys never let that story play out. as for crosby whinning, gretzky complained as much if not more and he was more protected then crosby ever will be. Hustler09 was clearly being a little sarcastic n over exagerating. and cant blame him.... you have been trying to knock crosby in every single forum you get a chance in. and you accuse lemieux of missing games for a hang nail, he only played 5 seasons befor he had his back surgury and it was a problem befor that 2!
hanley6 Posted - 01/06/2009 : 19:18:47
quote:
Originally posted by Hustler90

Well let's see..your NHL..we have 19 year old kids being leaders to 30 year old veterans. We have 41 year old goalies playing 65 games a year, letting every second shot in. We have Crosby in the minor leagues because supposedly he is a whiny baby that can't play. And Mario Lemieux is taken out of the Hall of Fame because he had cancer. Thats your NHL. That's all stuff you have been trying to get across on this forum. Not too many people are gonna like or watch it your NHL.



ok you are putting words in my mouth. Yes I agree 19 years old can have leadership skills...I feel Cujo should be the number 1 goalie over Toskala because Cujo don't allow weak goals like Toskala does every game. I never said Crosby should be in the miners but he is a whining baby, I never said he couldn't play I just said he's not as good as Ovechkin and Malkin. I never said Mario Lemieux should be taken out of the Hall of Fame because he had cancer. I never said he should be taken out of the Hall of Fame period. He does belong there but I don't feel he is as good of a hockey player as Gretzky. I never said anything wrong about him having cancer, I felt bad for the guy. I respect him for making a come back. I was talking about early in his career before his back problems. I am not cold hearted like you are trying to make me sound, saying s*** that I never said. Get a life!!!
Matt_Roberts85 Posted - 01/05/2009 : 14:52:01
I remember last year when Sundin scored a goal, Blake went over to congratulate him after everyone else had and Sundin totally blew him off. After that, I knew something had to be up with this guy. Not to mention he would celebrate his ass off when he would score the 2nd goal in a 7-2 loss or something like that. Darcy Tucker would skate to the bench and give a couple low ki high fives in that situation 'cause he knew the team was getting smoked and the game was already over. It's called class and Blake didn't seem to have much.

I have to give him some credit though, I have been MUCH more impressed with his play since he was scratched. He seems to have found new life playing on a line with Dominic Moore. Good for him.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Leafsfan_94 Posted - 01/05/2009 : 14:34:45
never heard anything about that.... well i guess i cant tel you your wrong, but i stick by what i said.



quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85

quote:
Originally posted by Leafsfan_94

i gotta say matty stajan. hes been on the team since 2002, 7 year leaf veteran. i think that he hasnt had enough ice time to play (in previous years) when Quinn was his coach he didnt get enough ice time because he was a rookie, and thats when the leafs had good chemistry and didnt want to ruin it by throwing in a rookie. when maurice was on the team he was a complete idiot, he barely gave stajan any ice time. and now stajan already has more points than he did last year all together. and right now i believe he is injured because a leaf kicked a soccer ball at his eye, and hit him. grrrr

and i mean he plays defence, offence, he hits, take hits, does many things to help to leafs, and i dont think he earns enough respect for it, and Matt Roberts. why dont you think blake is a candidate to wear the C, not that i entirely dont agree with you, but whats your reasoning.




Leafsfan_94






Here is a guy who, about a month ago, was a healthy scratch and was telling anyone who was willing to listen that signing in Toronto was a mistake. Doesn't sound too inspiring to me.... maybe I read too much into that, but I've also heard over the years that he is a total jackass and there are quite a few teammates of his that didn't like him at all.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".





Leafsfan_94



Matt_Roberts85 Posted - 01/05/2009 : 11:01:45
quote:
Originally posted by Leafsfan_94

i gotta say matty stajan. hes been on the team since 2002, 7 year leaf veteran. i think that he hasnt had enough ice time to play (in previous years) when Quinn was his coach he didnt get enough ice time because he was a rookie, and thats when the leafs had good chemistry and didnt want to ruin it by throwing in a rookie. when maurice was on the team he was a complete idiot, he barely gave stajan any ice time. and now stajan already has more points than he did last year all together. and right now i believe he is injured because a leaf kicked a soccer ball at his eye, and hit him. grrrr

and i mean he plays defence, offence, he hits, take hits, does many things to help to leafs, and i dont think he earns enough respect for it, and Matt Roberts. why dont you think blake is a candidate to wear the C, not that i entirely dont agree with you, but whats your reasoning.




Leafsfan_94






Here is a guy who, about a month ago, was a healthy scratch and was telling anyone who was willing to listen that signing in Toronto was a mistake. Doesn't sound too inspiring to me.... maybe I read too much into that, but I've also heard over the years that he is a total jackass and there are quite a few teammates of his that didn't like him at all.

There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Beans15 Posted - 01/05/2009 : 07:47:28
Gents, attempting to keep my own personal views out of this, I ask you to stay on topic and not make things personal.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion as much as everyone is entitled to argue against that opinion. This site stays as good as it does because the debates stays about the opinion, not the person who has that opinion.

Thanks!
Guest4572 Posted - 01/05/2009 : 01:11:27
Whats the stick boys name, he would be as good a captain as any of them . Thats one of T.O.s bigest problems, no leadership .
Leafsfan_94 Posted - 01/04/2009 : 18:11:44
did he actually say crosby should be in the minors? and did he really say that lemieux should be taken from the hall of fame because he had cancer, or were you joking, if he did hes friggin crazy

quote:
Originally posted by Hustler90

Well let's see..your NHL..we have 19 year old kids being leaders to 30 year old veterans. We have 41 year old goalies playing 65 games a year, letting every second shot in. We have Crosby in the minor leagues because supposedly he is a whiny baby that can't play. And Mario Lemieux is taken out of the Hall of Fame because he had cancer. Thats your NHL. That's all stuff you have been trying to get across on this forum. Not too many people are gonna like or watch it your NHL.





Leafsfan_94



Guest4631 Posted - 01/04/2009 : 18:02:56
quote:
Originally posted by Hustler90

Well let's see..your NHL..we have 19 year old kids being leaders to 30 year old veterans. We have 41 year old goalies playing 65 games a year, letting every second shot in. We have Crosby in the minor leagues because supposedly he is a whiny baby that can't play. And Mario Lemieux is taken out of the Hall of Fame because he had cancer. Thats your NHL. That's all stuff you have been trying to get across on this forum. Not too many people are gonna like or watch it your NHL.



could not have put that any better myself!

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