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| hanley6 |
Posted - 01/19/2009 : 21:48:54
I'd have to agree with Mark Rosal, as he did a great job talking about Vesa Toskala's future very accurately. Toskala has been horrible since he became a Leaf. In my opinion, he is not good enough to be a N.1 goalie for any team. He'd be an adequate backup, however, I'm used to seeing great goalies goaltending for the Leafs, like Felix Potvin, Curtis Joseph, and Eddie Belfour.
After Belfour, they've had a series of backup goaltenders take on the N. 1 goalie position. First it was Andrew Raycroft and now Toskala. Giving the N.1 start to the likes of these faces is like giving the wheel to a blind man, It's bad bad news
Cujo is 41 years old and it's probably his last year in the NHL, but I feel he should be getting a lot more starts than he is receiving now. Cujo has proved to the NHL throughout his career that he's a great netminder. Toskala on the other hand hasn't proven anything yet.
Rosal said it's hard to sit out a month and then expect a goalie to play a great game when you finally give him a chance. Cujo hasn't played as bad as Toskala has played, as he doesn't give up weak goals every game like Toskala does.
The game where Wilson played Toskala for all three periods and overtime; then brought in Cujo for the shootout, that's just not fare on Cujo. They were playing him cold.
I feel as long as Toskala is wearing the blue and white jersey, Toronto will not make the playoffs. I hope I am wrong because I love the Leafs and always will, but I do feel it's time to say Good Riddance to Toskala (Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya).
What's your opinion, yes or no, will Toskala be traded at the trade deadline and why? |
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| Guest4249 |
Posted - 04/19/2009 : 17:27:42
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Originally posted by forumer09
i think nhe should be tradedbecause he was good when he was on the sharks but now hes pretty bad gerber is dooing way better
If you're going to create two User Names to promote your Toskala hate, at least call them both hanley so we can disregard them equally. |
| Guest9729 |
Posted - 04/19/2009 : 09:21:20
I think Hanley would like to see him traded and the Leafs bring Cujo in as No. 1 goalie with Belfour as the back up. |
| forumer09 |
Posted - 04/18/2009 : 18:41:54
i think nhe should be tradedbecause he was good when he was on the sharks but now hes pretty bad gerber is dooing way better |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 01/23/2009 : 16:46:48
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Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
There is no way the leafs finish with more points than they had last year, and im pretty sure that we are already about 5 or so points behind last years pace. Just wait until this team no longer has Kaberle and/or Kubina, they will be lucky to win another game the rest of the season. Thats how important those two are to any success the leafs have.
JohnTavresJohnTavresJohnTavres (im going crazy)
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
35 games left to get a total of 83 points, they are already at 42 points. Toronto has a history of playing bad hockey in the first half and playing better in the second half... I believe Toronto will get more points than last year, they are not far off and Toronto has more points now than they did last year at this time check it out, I am a stats freak |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 01/23/2009 : 13:31:57
There is no way the leafs finish with more points than they had last year, and im pretty sure that we are already about 5 or so points behind last years pace. Just wait until this team no longer has Kaberle and/or Kubina, they will be lucky to win another game the rest of the season. Thats how important those two are to any success the leafs have.
JohnTavresJohnTavresJohnTavres (im going crazy)
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 01/23/2009 : 12:38:14
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Originally posted by ThorntonisTHEMAN
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6
I think a sweet deal would be if Toronto trades Toskala, either Kaberle or Kubina and a 2nd or 3rd draft pick to Tampa Bay for Mike Smith and a 1st round draft pick.. I like Mike Smith he's a very good young goalie...
I can pretty nearly guarantee that this trade won't happen! Tampa is already too close to the cap and are trying to figure out how to dump salary. They will not be trying to pick up extra contracts like Toskala and Kaberl/Kubina. Sorry, just won't happen. And I'm reasonably sure you would be disappointed with Smith as soon as he came to TO.
Not at all Smith is playing for the worst defensive hockey team in the NHL besides Atlanta, Toronto is playing better defensively and offensively this year, and Smith is playing awesome 37 games started 13 wins 16 losses 9 OTL 1091 saves only 96 goals against, 2.50 goals against average, .919 save percentage. Mike Smith is Tampa Bays best player he's the only thing Tampa Bay has besides St. Louis and Lecavalier. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 01/22/2009 : 06:12:36
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Originally posted by hanley6
I actually hope that our GM Brian Burke isn't stupid enough to keep Toskala. There's obviously something wrong with Toskala's eyes, it looks like he cant see, either he closes his eyes alot, he's scared of the puck and looks away while the shot is being taken, or he needs glasses. He chases the puck when he shouldn't and he's constantly in the wrong position. I've never seen a goalie that allows so many weak goals as Toskala does daily. Burke isn't even sure if Toskala is good enough to be the Leafs number 1 goalie.
Someone mentioned that Toronto is a worse team than last year, well looking at what they have compared to last year some people might think so, but this year they have more points than what they did last year at this time and they will probably end with more points than last year.
I think a sweet deal would be if Toronto trades Toskala, either Kaberle or Kubina and a 2nd or 3rd draft pick to Tampa Bay for Mike Smith and a 1st round draft pick.. I like Mike Smith he's a very good young goalie...
again regardless of how good or bad Toskala is he is worth nothing and i mean NOTHING so there is no point in tradeing him at the deadline if toronto wants to move Vesa there best bet is to wait till the off season..
Pasty |
| ThorntonisTHEMAN |
Posted - 01/22/2009 : 04:32:17
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Originally posted by hanley6
I think a sweet deal would be if Toronto trades Toskala, either Kaberle or Kubina and a 2nd or 3rd draft pick to Tampa Bay for Mike Smith and a 1st round draft pick.. I like Mike Smith he's a very good young goalie...
I can pretty nearly guarantee that this trade won't happen! Tampa is already too close to the cap and are trying to figure out how to dump salary. They will not be trying to pick up extra contracts like Toskala and Kaberl/Kubina. Sorry, just won't happen. And I'm reasonably sure you would be disappointed with Smith as soon as he came to TO. |
| hanley6 |
Posted - 01/21/2009 : 21:58:47
I actually hope that our GM Brian Burke isn't stupid enough to keep Toskala. There's obviously something wrong with Toskala's eyes, it looks like he cant see, either he closes his eyes alot, he's scared of the puck and looks away while the shot is being taken, or he needs glasses. He chases the puck when he shouldn't and he's constantly in the wrong position. I've never seen a goalie that allows so many weak goals as Toskala does daily. Burke isn't even sure if Toskala is good enough to be the Leafs number 1 goalie.
Someone mentioned that Toronto is a worse team than last year, well looking at what they have compared to last year some people might think so, but this year they have more points than what they did last year at this time and they will probably end with more points than last year.
I think a sweet deal would be if Toronto trades Toskala, either Kaberle or Kubina and a 2nd or 3rd draft pick to Tampa Bay for Mike Smith and a 1st round draft pick.. I like Mike Smith he's a very good young goalie... |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/20/2009 : 19:52:09
He won't be traded . . . our new GM isn't that stupid. I hope.
Not a lot of A list goalies to build a team around on the auction block - and there never will be, they are just too valuable. So yeah, Toskala hasn't played his best, but his mediocre to me is quite acceptable for now, especially with the rebuilding.
So, my full answer to the poll question: No, Toskala won't be traded, because we all realise Pogge isn't ready (yet) and we don't have a #1 to take his place, despite the fact that Toronto newspapers will speculate about it before the deadline.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 01/20/2009 : 09:43:13
regardless if toskala is not a number one goalie or a top 20 which i believe he is the latter HE SHOULD NOT BE TRADED AT THE DEADLINE!!! why,,,, two words Cristobal Huet .. Last year at the deadline the Canadiens decided to deal Cristobal Huet he went for a second round pick,,,,, now i would say Huet and Vesa are in about the same league number 1A goalie by that i mean not absolute superstars but better than your average number one guys,,, but at the deadline they're worth nothing!!! any team looking towards a solid playoff spot barring injury have got the position between the pipes filled!! so why give up huge draft picks for a goalie when they can give them up for hossa if you know what i mean.. and a team on the verge like washington last year.,,,, why waste draft picks on a goalie and not make the playoffs,... my point you'd get half value or less for a good goalie at the deadline unless a teams starter goes down....
Pasty |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 01/20/2009 : 08:48:17
Curtis Joseph has been absolutley HORRIBLE between the pipes for the Leafs. While Vesa has been far from great, his play of late has been pretty solid. The question you have to ask yourself is, what is plan B?
The Leafs do not have anyone who is ready to fill the #1 role between the pipes. Untill Pogge gets a lengthy audition it is not wise to just deal away your only NHL calibre goaltender. Curtis is finished, face it.
Unless a deal comes across Burkes desk that he just can't turn down, I would be very surprised to see Toskala dealt before the season is over. I can see Toskala being dealt around the draft when the Leafs would have an idea of what Pogge is capable of in the NHL and they are able to sign a FA goaltender.
Teams will most likley NOT be looking to deal away their starting netminders in deals with the leafs (especially involving Toskala) so don't start throwing out all of these Ryan Miller for Toskala and Blake trades...(you know what I mean..)
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/20/2009 : 08:43:21
This is completely unfair to Toskala. Let's take a look at a few things.
Firstly, sure, his overall stats are a little weak this year. There is no doubt about it. When he has any kind of team in front of him to give him any kind of support, you can use this arguement. Until then, stuff it. He doesn't have a chance. Since this whole trade Toskala notion had started on here, I made an effort to watch more Leafs games and specifically Toskala. The goals, more often then not, come from a player wide open. Face the fact that a good goalie on a weak team never looks good. Take a look at Luongo's stats with FLA. Look at Dipietro in New York.
The Leafs overall record in Toskala's time is 53-57-18. Toskala's record in that time is 48-42-12. That means that the other goalies who have played for TO in that time are 5-15-6. So, in games Toskala playes, the Leafs get at least one point in 56% of the time, while the other goalies got points in 42% of the time.
Above this, Toskala's GAA during his time with TO is 2.95. While in the same time, the other goalies who have played for the Leafs have a GAA of 4.74. Toskala's save % has been .897 compared to the other goalies at .844
My point?? Get a grip. Toskala is definately a bonified #1 goalie in the NHL. Secondly, he has played significantly better than any other goalie that has played for the Leafs in the same time period. He wins more than he losses on a team with less than a .500 record. That, in itself tell me enough. Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. Drop Toskala and put in Cujo and watch you win total at the end of the season even lower!
You might be right, and the Leafs may never make the playoffs with Toskala as the goalie, but it sure as hell isn't his fault. And the Leafs might do better if they have one of the top goalies in the league between the pipes. Give them Brodeur, Luongo, Kipprusoff, or Lundqvist and they would improve. The issue is there are only so many elite goalies and they are not moving anywhere. So, Toskala is about a good as you can get today. |
| Guest9538 |
Posted - 01/20/2009 : 07:22:12
Why is the concept of a rebuilding process so difficult to understand for so many people. Toskala IMHO had a pretty good season last year on a bad team, and this season they are even worse, with tons of rookies scattering the lineup, and people expect Toskala to be the saviour. I know some of the goals he has let in have been much less than satisfactory, but the defence has to step up as well. I would rather have Toskala going into a season than Belfour the last couple of seasons that he played with the Leafs anyways. |
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