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hanley6 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 00:47:58
Personally I think the Leafs got the only legit goal in the game... Both Gustavsson and Leclaire were flawless the rest of the team both Ottawa and Toronto seemed to be sleeping...

Donavon's goal was a garbage goal high stick, never should have counted... And Alfredsson's penalty shot goal never should have happened... Yes Schenn high sticked and cut Michalek, but there never should have been a Penalty shot.. Schenn should have got 2 minute minor for high sticking plus 2 minutes for lacerations... Those were the only two goals scored by Ottawa both because of bad calls... Toronto should have won that game 1-0... But there is nothing I can do

...And the LEAFS Win the CUP
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Alex116 Posted - 10/12/2009 : 19:48:46
Didn't see the game either but looking at the box score, i see one positive for Leaf fans..... Beauchemin was even in the +/- category. Not bad considering the score?
Beans15 Posted - 10/12/2009 : 18:43:12
I didn't see the game tonight. What were the refs like?? Must have been horrible to see a 7-2 drubbing.


Wow, the Leafs big tough retooled defense has performed like garbage.
irvine Posted - 10/11/2009 : 21:05:41
After much review...

I do have to agree with Beans 110% here. Michalek was in fact a stride or so ahead of Schenn here, and if Schenn did not wrap himself up with Michalek, he had a clear chance at the net. Perhaps not a full break-away, but there was no way Schenn would have been able to interfere legally with the shot, or catch up, and thus the penalty shot should have been granted.

Irvine
Beans15 Posted - 10/11/2009 : 14:20:07
Guys, shut down the personal attacks. If you have something to add to the topic, please do so. If you have something to say to one anyother, keep it to yourself. No one else cares.

And Hanley, you have been asked various times in the past to stop the 'little buddy' comments.



Alex116 Posted - 10/11/2009 : 09:35:11
Lollypops and gold stickers huh? Wow, that comment's as original as a bachelor party in Vegas....you're real good.

Move FAR from the topic at hand and try to insult/roast another poster = Obviously you watched the clip again and can now see the other side and realized you were very wrong. That's good, it's called progress. If i could reach your back, you'd get a little "pat" on it from me.
hanley6 Posted - 10/11/2009 : 04:36:34
quote:
Originally posted by Alex116

quote:
Originally posted by hanley6

ok beans did you even watch that penalty shot video???????????Schenn was tied up with Michalek in fact he was with him for a good 4 to 5 seconds before the high stick...





BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

TOO FUNNY! hanley, thanks for the laugh of the day. Perhaps you should change your screen name to bluehanley?



lol good one bluehanley, and what's you age little buddy? would you like a lollypop and a gold star sticker?

...And the LEAFS Win the CUP
Alex116 Posted - 10/10/2009 : 11:47:33
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6

ok beans did you even watch that penalty shot video???????????Schenn was tied up with Michalek in fact he was with him for a good 4 to 5 seconds before the high stick...





BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa

TOO FUNNY! hanley, thanks for the laugh of the day. Perhaps you should change your screen name to bluehanley?
Beans15 Posted - 10/10/2009 : 08:03:16
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6

quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Here my take on the Penalty Shot Call. They question to me always is if the offensive player would have a clear break away if not infringed upon by the defensive player. If yes, then it's a penalty shot.

In this case, absolutely. If Schenn does not tie up Michalek, it's without question a breakaway. Secondly, the high stick drew blood. Immediate 2 minutes more.

Dead right call. No doubt about it.


ok beans did you even watch that penalty shot video???????????Schenn was tied up with Michalek in fact he was with him for a good 4 to 5 seconds before the high stick...

dead wrong call. No doubt about it. Infact beans if every call was right Toronto would be ahead of Ottawa in Points and tied with your oilers


...And the LEAFS Win the CUP



Watched the game and the replays they replayed during the game over and over again. I have also found the video and posted it here.

Bottom line, Michalek has a break away if Schenn doesn't time him up. 4 to 5 seconds??? It takes an NHL player less than 5 seconds to go from one end of the rink to the other!! So you are saying that Schenn tied Michalek up from his own goal line all the way to the TO blue line??


Hanley, I agree with you. I think you are very knowledge about the sport you are watching. Unfortuantely, the rest of us are watching NHL hockey and we have no idea what it is that you are watching.


Here is the video of the high stick. As you should be able to see, Michalek has at least a stride on Schenn at the TO blue line when he receives the pass. On his best day, Schenn could not catch Michalek in stride! Scheen reaches twice with his stick towards Michalek's shin pades, never regaining position, and high sticks him in the face right in front of the net. Schenn is behind Michalek when the high stick happens. The crest of Schenn's jersey is on the numbers of Michalek's jersey.

I can agree that there are some bad calls in all hockey games. I'm sure there were bad calls in this game. However, this was not a bad call at all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WyTF8WrVFU
OILINONTARIO Posted - 10/10/2009 : 04:11:47
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6

you people are hilarious do you think I care what you think or say about me?????? keep it up I like it... Why else wouldn't I stop talking the truth about how much Toskala sucks...


It always comes back to Toskala. I guess that's one way of freeing yourself from a debate in which you have obviously attached yourself to the wrong side. It occurred to me that if somebody came on this site with no hockey knowledge, they may assume that this team from Ontario with so many fans is actually named the "Toronto Typical Leafs".

The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2010.
hanley6 Posted - 10/10/2009 : 01:04:52
you people are hilarious do you think I care what you think or say about me?????? keep it up I like it... Why else wouldn't I stop talking the truth about how much Toskala sucks...

I probably know more about hockey in general than most of you that think i'm an idiot or in a softer form just simply disagree with me no matter how right I am...

You know what? I know there are a lot of people that agree with me on most things, if you don't agree with me that's your own opinion but yes I do encourage your insults because it makes me laugh.. I enjoy it

as a fat old elvis used to just before leaving the stage to eat a few hand fulls of cheeseburgers thank you, Thank you very much ;)

...And the LEAFS Win the CUP
hanley6 Posted - 10/10/2009 : 00:34:48
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

Here my take on the Penalty Shot Call. They question to me always is if the offensive player would have a clear break away if not infringed upon by the defensive player. If yes, then it's a penalty shot.

In this case, absolutely. If Schenn does not tie up Michalek, it's without question a breakaway. Secondly, the high stick drew blood. Immediate 2 minutes more.

Dead right call. No doubt about it.


ok beans did you even watch that penalty shot video???????????Schenn was tied up with Michalek in fact he was with him for a good 4 to 5 seconds before the high stick...

dead wrong call. No doubt about it. Infact beans if every call was right Toronto would be ahead of Ottawa in Points and tied with your oilers


...And the LEAFS Win the CUP
Guest0842 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 21:29:33
quote:
Originally posted by irvine

I can sum this up in very words, and very little detail...

Bad calls happen.

Irvine


I can sum it up in one long word, with very little detail....

Wwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!

If you'd like, the other one is:

Sssssssnnnnnnnnnnniiiiiiiifffffffffff!!!!

This may be a start to a Robert Munsch story. I'm very surprised that a Leaf fan would complain about the officiating in their own ice. Here is your soother Hanley and now be quiet, go to sleep and wake up in the morning with a better wrap on reality.

irvine Posted - 10/09/2009 : 19:34:26
I can sum this up in very words, and very little detail...

Bad calls happen.

Irvine
Alex116 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 17:20:13
quote:
Originally posted by Guest9466

ALEX116

U just said yourself that Luke caught up to him, therefore there should not have awarded the penalty shot. If you're going to chirp someone make sure you have your facts straight.

Go LEAFS go.......

I hope Loungo keeps up the great play this season.....hahaha



You obviously don't know the rules regarding a penalty shot. Please feel free to show me where in the rules it states a guy must have a clear cut breakaway. Some of you seem to think the attacking player has to be clear of the defender by 10ft and be out near center? This is not the case. Also, re-read what i said before telling me i'm "chirping" and "to get my facts straight". Here, i'll save you scrolling back up: "Schenn decided to haul him down after he'd pretty much already caught up!!!" Now, did i say he "pretty much already caught up"? Or, did i say he "had caught up"? You make it seem like i implied Schenn had gotten goal side of him? All i was saying was another step or two and he prob wouldn't have had to haul him down, or slice him open for that matter. He was not quite there and took a penalty that cost his team a goal, maybe the game and you, hanley and a few other unrealistic Leaf fans a few tears perhaps?
Sorry anonymous guest / Leaf fan, but facts are facts.....

As for Luongo, i'm not worried. First off, i would expect you to hope he continues to struggle. You think i want any other goalie to outperform him any night? So, good for you, continue to hope....
Secondly, he's a notorious slow starter. Yeah, for us that sucks, cuz a win now and a win in March/April are worth the same two points. It could cost us a conference title, a division title or a better matchup in the playoffs. Worst case scenario, it could cost us a playoff spot and thus a golf date with your Leafs.
Open_Ice Posted - 10/09/2009 : 16:59:11
I agree with beans. Ottawa may have played a safe game but that style of play gave them a road win and took the leafs fans right out of the game completely. The crowd was for the most part silent and never really got into the game.
Beans15 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 16:25:28
Here my take on the Penalty Shot Call. They question to me always is if the offensive player would have a clear break away if not infringed upon by the defensive player. If yes, then it's a penalty shot.

In this case, absolutely. If Schenn does not tie up Michalek, it's without question a breakaway. Secondly, the high stick drew blood. Immediate 2 minutes more.

Dead right call. No doubt about it.
Guest9466 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 15:47:34
ALEX116

U just said yourself that Luke caught up to him, therefore there should not have awarded the penalty shot. If you're going to chirp someone make sure you have your facts straight.

Go LEAFS go.......

I hope Loungo keeps up the great play this season.....hahaha
Guest9466 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 15:46:33
go leafs go
Beans15 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 15:37:15
quote:
Originally posted by Porkchop73

quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

There will be good and bad calls for all teams in all games. It's not an exclusive Leaf things.

I've watched all the games. I don't think any of the calls were 'bad'. Some were close, but nothing controversial.

The bottom line to that game is that for the first 2 periods, the Leafs did not play well at all. They came alive for a bit in the third but Ottawa played very smart, positional hockey and TO could not come back at that point.

If the calls were so bad, why did Wilson bag skate the team the next day at practice?? Coaches don't do that after a badly called game.



You know what Beans I agree with you almost 100% but......
Do you really think Ottawa played a smart, positional hockey game. I truly thought both teams stunk up the ice quite poorly. Neither team deserved to win that game but someone had to.
I do question the penalty shot being awarded but you take the good and the bad and somedays the calls go for you and other days they don't.
I am almost going to agree with Hanley and say the only play worthy of a NHL team in that game was the power play goal by the leafs. It is plays like that make me happy Kabby is still in TO. The rest of the game both teams just plain stunk.
The only players I thought had decent games were Lee Stempniak for the leafs and Mike Fisher for the Sens. You seemed to notice them each time they were on the ice.
I see TO and Ottawa finishing 1-2 at the bottom of the eastern conference unless they can figure out how to play like NHL teams.
I also say that we should not be to quick to judge our favourite teams or our least favourite teams too early. There are some powerful teams with a poor start (Wings) and some underdogs off to a better then expected start (Coyotes).



Ya Chop, I do think Ottawa played very smart positional hockey. They played very responsible in the neutral zone and dumped the puck in every change they got. Nothing fancy and definately not pretty. But smart with a 2 goal lead.

It wasn't a lot of fun to watch, but technically speaking, very well executed game plan of keeping the puck in the offensive zone and not give up chances. 13 shots through the 1st two period for Toronto tells a tail. However, I would agree in the 3rd period the Sens did not play nearly as well as the first 2 periods, but Leclaire was there to help them out of it. Solid game over all.
JOSHUACANADA Posted - 10/09/2009 : 14:23:14
quote:
Originally posted by Porkchop73

quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

There will be good and bad calls for all teams in all games. It's not an exclusive Leaf things.

I've watched all the games. I don't think any of the calls were 'bad'. Some were close, but nothing controversial.

The bottom line to that game is that for the first 2 periods, the Leafs did not play well at all. They came alive for a bit in the third but Ottawa played very smart, positional hockey and TO could not come back at that point.

If the calls were so bad, why did Wilson bag skate the team the next day at practice?? Coaches don't do that after a badly called game.



You know what Beans I agree with you almost 100% but......
Do you really think Ottawa played a smart, positional hockey game. I truly thought both teams stunk up the ice quite poorly. Neither team deserved to win that game but someone had to.
I do question the penalty shot being awarded but you take the good and the bad and somedays the calls go for you and other days they don't.
I am almost going to agree with Hanley and say the only play worthy of a NHL team in that game was the power play goal by the leafs. It is plays like that make me happy Kabby is still in TO. The rest of the game both teams just plain stunk.
The only players I thought had decent games were Lee Stempniak for the leafs and Mike Fisher for the Sens. You seemed to notice them each time they were on the ice.
I see TO and Ottawa finishing 1-2 at the bottom of the eastern conference unless they can figure out how to play like NHL teams.
I also say that we should not be to quick to judge our favourite teams or our least favourite teams too early. There are some powerful teams with a poor start (Wings) and some underdogs off to a better then expected start (Coyotes).

Nope, Ottawa will finish higher, thanks to one goal game victorys over the leafs. Seriously guys this is barely 3-4 games in neither teams have found the game legs yet. Its not like this is payoff hockey here. Although, its games like this at the end of the year that cost your team the playoffs. Both teams better start investing now in the rest of the season.

However, I think one of 2 of these teams has the starter in net figured out. Actually, Elliot would be an improvement in Toronto. Thats not a shot it is a fact. Toskala has lost his confidence and the monster already has a weak groin.
Porkchop73 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 13:57:16
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

There will be good and bad calls for all teams in all games. It's not an exclusive Leaf things.

I've watched all the games. I don't think any of the calls were 'bad'. Some were close, but nothing controversial.

The bottom line to that game is that for the first 2 periods, the Leafs did not play well at all. They came alive for a bit in the third but Ottawa played very smart, positional hockey and TO could not come back at that point.

If the calls were so bad, why did Wilson bag skate the team the next day at practice?? Coaches don't do that after a badly called game.



You know what Beans I agree with you almost 100% but......
Do you really think Ottawa played a smart, positional hockey game. I truly thought both teams stunk up the ice quite poorly. Neither team deserved to win that game but someone had to.
I do question the penalty shot being awarded but you take the good and the bad and somedays the calls go for you and other days they don't.
I am almost going to agree with Hanley and say the only play worthy of a NHL team in that game was the power play goal by the leafs. It is plays like that make me happy Kabby is still in TO. The rest of the game both teams just plain stunk.
The only players I thought had decent games were Lee Stempniak for the leafs and Mike Fisher for the Sens. You seemed to notice them each time they were on the ice.
I see TO and Ottawa finishing 1-2 at the bottom of the eastern conference unless they can figure out how to play like NHL teams.
I also say that we should not be to quick to judge our favourite teams or our least favourite teams too early. There are some powerful teams with a poor start (Wings) and some underdogs off to a better then expected start (Coyotes).
Alex116 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 12:17:42
quote:
Originally posted by Leafs81

Ok I need to speak to try and save the Leafs fans. Hanley you're wrong. And you're wrong at almost anything you ever say.

It's not true that we get more calls because it's The Leafs. Bad calls happens all the time at any sports. Sometimes it goes in the Leafs favor and sometimes it doesn't.

The penalty shot deserve to be a penalty shot. Look at Heatley last night.

And if they would have gave Schenn 4 minutes, and they would have scored twice, then what?? You would have come here to complain that it should have been a penalty shot and therefor only get a chance for one goal.
Something I hate is when somebody like hanley is broadcasting a game. Like RDS and there Habs, they're always saying that refs are against them and all the refs loves TO because the video goal judge is in Toronto. That's bulls***



Bravo Leafs81! My new favorite Leaf fan! Just don't tell my wife who grew up in Ontario and still favours the buds !

As for the who said "hanley is absolutely correct you vanlooser fans need to mind your own team", what's Vancouver or whichever team i root for got to do with me replying to a question asking for an opinion? Please wait till i come on here whining about a bad call against the Canucks and then you can comment. It's bound to happen sooner or later, but trust me, it won't be on a borderline call such as the penalty shot. As Leafs81 implied, you're lucky it wasn't a double minor that cost you two goals! The other call, i agree with you, i thought it was a high stick but unfortunately the angles of the replays don't show it CONCULUSIVELY!!! You can't just assume as the angles shown could throw it off a few inches which makes the difference........ I don't know why it's so dificult to understand this?
Maybe if the Leafs started 3-1 and were actually playing well, it wouldn't have bothered you so much. Be patient, i'm sure they'll get a win one of these days! We just went through something similar here and after finally getting a win, vancouver fans aren't looking for excuses anymore....
Leafs81 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 10:52:15
Ok here's a story for Hanley if you think the refs are always against Toronto.

First game of the season against the Habs. Komisarek pushes Moen into Toskala. Toskala puts his glove and his blocker into Moen face. Moen falls on the ice and Komisarek jumps on him and starts pounding him. Moen in his defense drops the gloves with Komisarek. Both Moen and Komisarek gets 5 for fighting and Moen gets the extra 2 for goalie interference. On the ensuing powerplay Toronto scores. On the play of the goal Markov gets caught up with Price and Price skate cuts Markov on the ankle. As a result Markov is out for 4 months.

Ok this is just a story where it went in the Leafs favor. Even though Moen was probably goalie interference, Komisarek should have got two for investigating. And there is many other stories like this about any other teams.
Open_Ice Posted - 10/09/2009 : 10:08:54
In my experience, there are many misconceptions about penalty shots.

25.1 Penalty Shot – A penalty shot is designed to restore a scoring opportunity which was lost as a result of a foul being committed by the offending team, based on the parameters set out in these rules.

Thats it! Nothing about being way out in front and alone. As soon as the last man stops a clear scoring opportunity (which it was) without playing the puck under the rules the referee is allowed to call a penalty shot.

source: http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26308
n/a Posted - 10/09/2009 : 09:39:31
Is it a full moon? Because frankly, I half agree/sympathise with Hanley's point.

It wasn't a great game to watch, and I quickly switched to Philly/Washington if I remember, so I never saw the Ottawa goals until now.

Donovan's goal looks like a high stick on the replay, but it is inconclusive to some degree, so . . . a 50/50 call that didn't go the Leaf's way. What doesn't help is that the Leafs sorta missed this and didn't argue it at all. The other goal, the penalty shot: I agree, should not have been a penalty shot, if called properly. Again though, it's a somewhat tough call to make, as there is interpretation involved. Again, a tough call that went against the Leafs.

Those tough calls happen. It is very difficult to tell if the tough calls that definitely do come against Toronto more often than many other teams happen because it's Toronto, or because Toronto has been a poor team for some time that takes bad penalties. The thing is, reputation of being poor defensively, taking bad penalties, being a rough team - this will also get you on the wrong side of calls, as many Philly and Anaheim fans will attest to. So, I'd give the benefit of the doubt in the end to the refs being true professionals, who really do try to call the fairest game possible . . . and blame any tough calls against Toronto as being the luck of the draw, with maybe a sprinkling of reputation.

Ok, so maybe I don't really agree with Hanley . . . but that's as close as I've gotten!


"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Leafs81 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 09:33:39
Ok I need to speak to try and save the Leafs fans. Hanley you're wrong. And you're wrong at almost anything you ever say.

It's not true that we get more calls because it's The Leafs. Bad calls happens all the time at any sports. Sometimes it goes in the Leafs favor and sometimes it doesn't.

The penalty shot deserve to be a penalty shot. Look at Heatley last night.

And if they would have gave Schenn 4 minutes, and they would have scored twice, then what?? You would have come here to complain that it should have been a penalty shot and therefor only get a chance for one goal.

Something I hate is when somebody like hanley is broadcasting a game. Like RDS and there Habs, they're always saying that refs are against them and all the refs loves TO because the video goal judge is in Toronto. That's bulls***
Odin Posted - 10/09/2009 : 09:09:37
quote:
Originally posted by Guest5012

hanley is absolutely correct you vanlooser fans need to mind your own team




What an odd statement to make considering Hanley is asking for opinions. I find it funny that he complains about the Leafs getting crappy calls when the rest of the league complains about the favouratism that the Leafs receive. I would call that replay anything but conclusive.
Guest5012 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 08:48:55
hanley is absolutely correct you vanlooser fans need to mind your own team
Beans15 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 08:30:17
There will be good and bad calls for all teams in all games. It's not an exclusive Leaf things.

I've watched all the games. I don't think any of the calls were 'bad'. Some were close, but nothing controversial.

The bottom line to that game is that for the first 2 periods, the Leafs did not play well at all. They came alive for a bit in the third but Ottawa played very smart, positional hockey and TO could not come back at that point.

If the calls were so bad, why did Wilson bag skate the team the next day at practice?? Coaches don't do that after a badly called game.

Alex116 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 08:17:06
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6

it has nothing to do with whinning Leaf fans... The truth of the matter is they make alot of bad calls against the Leafs because it's the Leafs.. The Leafs get screwed over more than any other team in the NHL with these calls... If the video judges are doing there best they would have seen it and called in no goal, instead they seen the high tomahawk swing above the crossbar and called it a goal... And the penalty shot call was ridiculous again you said he took him down when he caught up to him, therefore there was no clear break away, therefore there should have been NO penalty shot... simple as that... Schenn should have been called for a 2 minute miner high stick plus 2 minutes for lacerations... Another thing Alex116, if you were watching your fav teams game and they made stupid calls like these two against your team, you'd be pissed too

...And the LEAFS Win the CUP





I warned you about your post, and this (see above) is what you come back with????

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Dude, give your head a shake. ALL teams, i repeat, ALL TEAMS get calls that are questionable against them! Some go your way, some don't, be it a goal, a penalty or whatever. If you can't see this, then you...oh, forget it, i don't wanna be one of those guys talking about the blue tint.....<-----glasses must be blue?

Guest9467 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 07:19:17
Essay more hanley leafs miss playoffs : 5 yrs in a row thx
Guest9729 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 05:53:25
sorry I forgot to add, in the above reply,

Hanley, does anyone ever agree with you????
Guest9729 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 05:51:06
Thats just part of the game. sometimes the calls go your way other times they don't. I have never heard you complain when the ref's make a call that could be percieved as questionable and it goes in the Leafs favour. Hanley you see things only in blue and white. Both goaltenders played average games.

Now with the "MOnster on IR" Toskala should get his chance to prove himself, if not send him down.
hanley6 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 01:39:47
it has nothing to do with whinning Leaf fans... The truth of the matter is they make alot of bad calls against the Leafs because it's the Leafs.. The Leafs get screwed over more than any other team in the NHL with these calls... If the video judges are doing there best they would have seen it and called in no goal, instead they seen the high tomahawk swing above the crossbar and called it a goal... And the penalty shot call was ridiculous again you said he took him down when he caught up to him, therefore there was no clear break away, therefore there should have been NO penalty shot... simple as that... Schenn should have been called for a 2 minute miner high stick plus 2 minutes for lacerations... Another thing Alex116, if you were watching your fav teams game and they made stupid calls like these two against your team, you'd be pissed too

...And the LEAFS Win the CUP

Alex116 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 01:25:45
quote:
Originally posted by hanley6

Donavons goal clearly above the cross bar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpH3SOYHauQ

and also no clear breakaway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WyTF8WrVFU

...And the LEAFS Win the CUP



hanley....first off, you gotta be more careful with your posts. You're bound to get a few "typical Leaf fan seeing through the blue tint" or "whining Leaf fan" with your posts. Regardless, i agree the Donovan goal was iffy, however, it's the whole "inconclusive" thing that nails you on a goal like this. They do the best they can with replays but sometimes it's not enough to overturn a call. Unfortunately for the Leafs, the original call was goal. These calls tend to even out over the year for the most part!

The penalty shot on the other hand, i think was justified. The guy had a step on the dman, unfortunately, Schenn decided to haul him down AFTER he'd pretty much already caught up!!! .......

hanley6 Posted - 10/09/2009 : 01:05:57
Donavons goal clearly above the cross bar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpH3SOYHauQ

and also no clear breakaway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WyTF8WrVFU

...And the LEAFS Win the CUP

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