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| hockster |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 12:53:13
Which team was the biggest winner involved in the Leafs trades today? |
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| hockster |
Posted - 02/03/2010 : 13:55:39
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Originally posted by Alex116
Slozo, i'm one of the few non Leaf fans who actually likes Phaneuf and likes this deal for them! Hopefully for the Leafs, Phaneuf can have a fresh start, mature a bit both personally and professionally and get his career back on track to the point it looked like he would have it early in his career. I've heard a lot of negative stuff about him, but everyone deserves a second chance. Maybe this trade will be somewhat of a wakeup call for him?
Even though im a Flames fan i agree. He is gonna mature from this deal and I think he can get back on track because of this. I also see this as a wake up call.
I see this deal helping both teams. Flames get some needed help up front and a pretty solid defenseman that can grow a hell of a moustache back and Toronto gets a good prospect in Aulie and a great #2 defenseman to help build your team around. Cant say much about Sjostrom though, he is a terrible player or at least he was this year.
Flames for cup...eventually. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 19:15:47
Slozo, i'm one of the few non Leaf fans who actually likes Phaneuf and likes this deal for them! Hopefully for the Leafs, Phaneuf can have a fresh start, mature a bit both personally and professionally and get his career back on track to the point it looked like he would have it early in his career. I've heard a lot of negative stuff about him, but everyone deserves a second chance. Maybe this trade will be somewhat of a wakeup call for him? |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/02/2010 : 18:17:19
Leafs81 - thanks, but I am still in asia, and will be for the next three weeks. On vacation in China and Thailand . . . not a lot of hockey broadcast here, lol.
Alex116 - agreed, good point about the attitude, but let's just wait and see, shall we? It wouldn't be the first time hearing about how someone is a cancer and realising that they were not the cause of any problems at all . . . at any rate, it would be nice to get a true leader in the Leafs dressing room, but that's to come yet. Hopefully soon.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 19:11:37
Have to agree with most on this in that both teams have done well in this. However, i like what the Leafs have done a little more. This of course, is dependant on the next 3 or 4 years in Phaneuf's life! Let's not forget, he's only 24 years old! 24 freakin' years old is not old by any means, especially for a dman! He "could" yet become the Norris winner and sure, he could continue on his path to being an avg dman as well? The potential is there, that's all i'm saying. While i'd venture to guess that White is playing as good as you're ever going to see him, it's the opposite for Dion.
Burke's gonna have to start by getting him to man up and change his attitude. If all the talk about him being a cancer in the Flames dressing room is true, that's the first thing the Leafs gotta do, straighten him out and get him to grow up!
No matter what, the potential is there..... |
| Leafs81 |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 18:58:02
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Originally posted by slozo
Holy Crap! I leave Canada on my vacation to Asia, and the Leafs go and do THIS behind my back!
I should really travel more often!
I like it, just from the perspective that Phaneuf will bring a lot more credibility to the Leafs blueline. Seriously. He has been in a somewhat hockey-mad Calgary, so he should be able to handle the extra heat in Toronto, and I think he'll be the kind of player who soaks up the media attention. He is an elite checker, and he does create a healthy fear in opponents when he is on his game . . . other than that, I won't comment, because I just haven't seen him enough.
The prospect, Aulie, seems like a very solid one.
Really liked Hagman, and he was a second-liner that I would have personally liked to keep in TO, but not to be. Losing Stajan is too bad for the present, but no big deal for the future. I really liked White, but the way I look at it, you have to give to get, and in the end, I feel Phaneuf is and will be a full tier above White in terms of defenceman rankings. Mayers - good riddance, I'd have accepted a bag of pucks for him. Jason Blake - GOOOOOD RIDDANCE!!! Toskala - see ya, don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.
Giggy is an excellent choice for solid goalie who could become a tutor to the Monster, and he is a pro in all aspects according to most pundits, so taking a back-up role or not being a starter is no concern. Phaneuf is a huge upgrade on defensive responsibility, and brings some more fear to the defence corps, and more offence as well. Could become the number one guy if Kaberle is traded in the future, and is at least a number 2. The prospects, I have heard, are solid, and as far as I am concerned, are as good as getting first round picks.
Exciting stuff.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Welcome back Slozo  |
| n/a |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 17:42:53
Holy Crap! I leave Canada on my vacation to Asia, and the Leafs go and do THIS behind my back!
I should really travel more often!
I like it, just from the perspective that Phaneuf will bring a lot more credibility to the Leafs blueline. Seriously. He has been in a somewhat hockey-mad Calgary, so he should be able to handle the extra heat in Toronto, and I think he'll be the kind of player who soaks up the media attention. He is an elite checker, and he does create a healthy fear in opponents when he is on his game . . . other than that, I won't comment, because I just haven't seen him enough.
The prospect, Aulie, seems like a very solid one.
Really liked Hagman, and he was a second-liner that I would have personally liked to keep in TO, but not to be. Losing Stajan is too bad for the present, but no big deal for the future. I really liked White, but the way I look at it, you have to give to get, and in the end, I feel Phaneuf is and will be a full tier above White in terms of defenceman rankings. Mayers - good riddance, I'd have accepted a bag of pucks for him. Jason Blake - GOOOOOD RIDDANCE!!! Toskala - see ya, don't let the door hit you on the ass on your way out.
Giggy is an excellent choice for solid goalie who could become a tutor to the Monster, and he is a pro in all aspects according to most pundits, so taking a back-up role or not being a starter is no concern. Phaneuf is a huge upgrade on defensive responsibility, and brings some more fear to the defence corps, and more offence as well. Could become the number one guy if Kaberle is traded in the future, and is at least a number 2. The prospects, I have heard, are solid, and as far as I am concerned, are as good as getting first round picks.
Exciting stuff.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| Seventy7Fifty2 |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 12:17:18
I went with Calgary, only for short-term.
Leafs gave up the crap that JFJ left behind, and if you look at today's leaf team.... it's nothing but Phaneuf, Kessel and possibly a goalie with a diva's attitude..
Long term, however, if we "assume" the moron Burke is not done, and he will get a couple more goal scorers - then Leafs may win long-term.
It's very difficult to say that the Leafs win "today" on these trades when you consider they gave up resources that accumulated 40% of their points - for a defenceman and a goalie?!??!
And they already lacked points to win games!!!!! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 10:40:40
Short term, absolutely Calgary wins this. Based solely on the players and the 'ifs' involved.
If Dion Phaneuf can regain his Norris type form
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If this Aulie kid becomes a day to day NHL player
then I would agree that TO got what they wanted to. However, for Sutter, he has tons of depth at defense and really, as long as he signs Ian White in the offseason, he got exactly what he wanted as well.
However, I would like to touch on something that people are commenting on that I can only assume is based on Wilson's comments at the press conference.
TO is NOT the league's youngest team. Actually, the are barely one of the 10 youngest teams in the NHL today.
Chicago is the youngest, followed by LA, CBJ, COL, TB, NYR, FLA, MONT, and EDM.
Toronto is next.
I know the difference between 26.0 and 27.2 is not huge, but it's simply not true. |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 09:31:19
This reminds me of the Gilmour trade with calgary back in 92.
Both teams get what they were looking for, Burke is looking to the future, i dont think he gives a s*** where his team finishes in the standings this year. Hes not worried about who boston takes, thats ancient history now.
Toronto has become the youngest team in the NHL and have a few key peices to rebuild this team in Kessel and Phaneuf. Add Schenn and Gustavsson to that mix and I like where this team is headed 2-3 years from now.
Obviously they are lacking big time up front and 1 or 2 contracts will have to move on the backend but I like how the team is setup moving forward. Again, the rest of this season is a write off, this is about the future.
The big sleeper in this trade to me is Keith Aulie. This guy was paired with Tyler Myers on the gold medal winning junior squad of 09 and is listed at 6'6 and has scouts surprised that the flames would include such a solid prospect in the trade.
I love the trade personally, Calgary will have to resign Stajan, White and Mayers if they plan on keeping them and stajan and white are looking to almost triple their current salary. Hagman is a nice pickup, 3 mil per for a 20-25 goal scorer for the next 2 years is pretty solid.
I think sutter made this trade as strictly a playoff push, expectations were high in calgary and I wonder if he is worried about his job. If the flames go deep because of this it will look good, but long term it could bite them big time.
What an exciting sunday it was yesterday, Toskala and Blake for Giguere is a freaking miracle. Its as if all my prayers were answered.
Dion Phaneuf, welcome to Toronto.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Guest9836 |
Posted - 02/01/2010 : 07:31:12
Hear hear!
This was a good day for hockey. Perhaps because the UFA market is so slim now, and with players getting locked up for so long at such young ages that GMs have brought about a new age of the big trade. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 19:55:24
Hey, think about this for a second.
NO ONE, and I mean No one talked a word about any of these trades. Even though the Leafs were involved and everyone in the TO media thinks the trades are coming their way and nothing. Not a sniff about Phaneuf going to the Leafs. Not a word that Ian White was available. Nothing.
At the start of the year there were some snips coming out about Burke and his love for Giguere, but not a sniff about Phaneuf or White.
I just think it's awesome that as publicially covered the NHL is and how many 'experts' and 'fans' out there think up stuff, no one expected this one at all!
Awesome |
| Guest2250 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 17:48:09
i understand that part tiller...but really how can the leafs tank when they are already at the bottom of the tank ?....boston would have had a top pick anyway...at least now they have picked up 2 good players...maybe 3 |
| irvine |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 17:37:27
The Leafs do not need scoring this year. They are not going to the playoffs with or without it.
So at the end of the day, the Leafs add a guy on the backend who can step in and play the #2 spot on D for them, behind Kaberle. And if he ups his work ethic, could improve greatly over the next two seasons.
The guys the Leafs lost can be replaced rather easily during the remainder of this year and in the off-season. Not to mention some youngsters who may be ready by next year to step in and add some offense.
So at the end of the day, the Leafs traded away a couple of 20 goal scorers, who can be replaced. Just not at this second. It will take in to the offseason. But they don't need them until then anyways.
Irvine/prez. |
| Guest3652 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 17:22:14
I really don't understand why did the Leaf do that? Is it a joke? The leaf who are supose to rebuild didnt even have a draft pick, they lose a big part of their offence (big isnt even the word to describe it) and they get another of their 200 defensemen to lose one of their best this year (after Kaberle who will be trade soon I guess for some offensive punch). |
| Tiller33 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 17:01:00
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Originally posted by Guest2250
why is boston in this poll...question is who won TODAYS trades ?? what has boston got to do with TODAYS TRADES ??
He is saying the leafs are worse off now and will tank and because boston owns the leafs first round pick this year from the kessel trade they are the winners. |
| Guest2250 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 14:09:50
why is boston in this poll...question is who won TODAYS trades ?? what has boston got to do with TODAYS TRADES ?? |
| Guest5940 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 14:04:17
Toronto won't do as bad as the oilers so boston won't get anything more,anaheim maybe did the best |
| Guest4623 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 13:52:26
the calgary flames made out pretty well in this deal. they got rid of phanuef who cleary was not getting along with the coach and it was hurting the team.. they replace him with white who is a hard working team player and is producing as many points as phanuef. They get hagman who is another scoring threat for calgary as he is a 20-30 goals scorer. matt stajan is a step up over most centres on the flames. and mayers is a gritty veteran.
overall i think this will help calgary with there playoff runn this year
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| Alex116 |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 13:17:06
By choosing "no winners", i'm saying that it's too early to tell. Simply picking up Giguere is prob worth a few wins and i think that Burke has gotten to the point where he's gonna do anything he can to minimize the damage of the Kessel trade, meaning he's gonna do all he can to finish out of the bottom 3-5. He's got his work cut out for him for sure as he def traded away some serious depth up front. All i keep hearing is how thin the Leafs are on prospects and now they trade away Stajan, Hagman, etc? Hopefully for their sake, they've got some guys ready to fill holes, cuz as i see it now, they're gonna continue to struggle to fill the net! |
| hockster |
Posted - 01/31/2010 : 12:56:05
I gotta go with Boston, Leafs lost all their depth offensively. They lost a ton of forwards so i don't see them recovering this year. Boston has got the Leafs first, they are the true winners, they are gonna have the top pick in the draft this year. Leafs wont be able to win.
Iginla for 2010 team captain.
Flames for cup...eventually. |
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