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| freddyboy |
Posted - 03/14/2010 : 16:44:25
in pittsburg game vs Tampa Bay, after 40 second, Downie "slewknee" Crosby.
Should it deserve a suspension?
joe is a god, if u dont agree....i dont care |
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| Guest2000 |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 13:16:14
Pure ignorance. It takes a guy who knows physics to know that your legs dont elevate forward up and then down in such an effiecent motion when you are falling. Thus why its called falling(you are out of control) Had his arms flailed and body contorted then maybe we could make the arguement. However, we could try this a million times and never would your leg elevate in a froward motion and then collapse downwards if your momentum has forced you in a downward direction and especially in not such a precise manner but way to show your maturity. Good day everybody and thanks for the laugh beans |
| Guest6840 |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 12:44:14
This should be an intent to injure penalty yet i have seen worse this year from Rafalski's hit on Latendresse to Cookes on Savard and yet they were not even suspended. If Downie succeeded on his intent he should get a major suspension but he almost missed doing very little pain to Crosby. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 12:43:00
Well, I will admit to say that I did not watch the replay 100 times but it does take a guy to have 'laced them up' to know that a guy can fall countless different ways in the game.
And I can also admit that I did not read a single word of the post after the this hit and reaction has nothing to do with downie's past this was the most blatant attempt to injure i've seen since bertuzzi on moore and had everybody not jumped on top and destroyed moores neck i would say this was worse. statement.
I knew anything after that point was a waste of my time. |
| Guest2000 |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 12:37:32
Come on Beans there is no way you watched that replay 100 times and came out with the decision that downie was losing his balance and if so then you have never laced a pair up in your life. Anyone who watched this play and has played hockey knows full well when you are falling your legs collapse under you they dont elevate unless you lose balance. In such a case your legs would fling up towards the guys head not directly behind the bend in his knee.
Lets get real here this hit and reaction has nothing to do with downie's past this was the most blatant attempt to injure i've seen since bertuzzi on moore and had everybody not jumped on top and destroyed moores neck i would say this was worse. It was a deliberate attempt to snap a guys achille's and forttunately for the nhl it happened in the first couple of minutes. Had that happened with two minutes remaining in the period we would be having the discussion on what profession crosby was going to try cuz it would have wripped an torn every legiment and tendant from the ankle up to the knee cap. Lets see a torn acl and a ruptured mcl basically means you have the leg of a 70 year old.
So now go back with out a bottle of tequilla in you and watch the leg elevate directly behind crosby's knee and then the deliberate collapse on to the back of that knee and how crosbys weight collapse's back. Since you clearly never played hockey maybe you will understand when a guy horsecollars another player in football its the same result your upper body contorts behind you and your legs get trapped underneathe thats why the play is illegal. o wait could you read that its ILLEGAL see there is no on the fence there. I almost always agree with what you say but here you have clearly fallen off that fence you say your standing on and bumped your head.
I never had a problem with downie but if you are goin to suspend ovechkin for being a brick s*** house then you gotta remove downie all together for being a few bricks short.
I'm interested to see the critcism this post gets but hey the truth is a bitch. |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 12:21:56
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by slozo
I missed this one, and have now seen it. And I am not on the fence about this one . . . 
Looks intentional all the way, to me. Downie is a repeat offender, and it's certainly suspension worthy.
I'd have given him 2 games . . . but then again, I didn't have the Magical Wheel of Suspensions to spin to decide arbitrarily what sort of punishment to dole out!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
I really agree here. I do think Downie is a pile and that this hit has some ill will behind int. However there is nothing 'conclusive' showing intent to injure. One could argue intent to injure as easily as another could argue loss of balance.
But I do completely agree with "Wheel Of Suspension" analogy. I wonder what the odds were on Cooke not getting his?? I bet about 1 in 50??
Hey beans, check this out if you want more info on the NHLs "Wheel of Suspension" haha.
http://www.downgoesbrown.com/2009/11/nhl-suspensions.html
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 12:18:35
quote:
Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
..... there is no doubt in my mind. I may be wrong but .....
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Hey Matt, that sounds eerily like myself when I tell Mrs. Elvis, 'Hey I'm a pretty buff stud. If I wasn't so fat, I'd....' 
Sorry, couldn't resist!
There was not and still isn't a doubt in my mind, doesnt mean i still couldnt be wrong :)
So, i didnt really contradict myself, although at first glance I can see where you're coming from
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 07:18:33
quote:
Originally posted by slozo
I missed this one, and have now seen it. And I am not on the fence about this one . . .
Looks intentional all the way, to me. Downie is a repeat offender, and it's certainly suspension worthy.
I'd have given him 2 games . . . but then again, I didn't have the Magical Wheel of Suspensions to spin to decide arbitrarily what sort of punishment to dole out!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
I really agree here. I do think Downie is a pile and that this hit has some ill will behind int. However there is nothing 'conclusive' showing intent to injure. One could argue intent to injure as easily as another could argue loss of balance.
But I do completely agree with "Wheel Of Suspension" analogy. I wonder what the odds were on Cooke not getting his?? I bet about 1 in 50?? |
| n/a |
Posted - 03/16/2010 : 05:28:06
I missed this one, and have now seen it. And I am not on the fence about this one . . .
Looks intentional all the way, to me. Downie is a repeat offender, and it's certainly suspension worthy.
I'd have given him 2 games . . . but then again, I didn't have the Magical Wheel of Suspensions to spin to decide arbitrarily what sort of punishment to dole out!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| fat_elvis_rocked |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 21:25:02
quote:
Originally posted by Matt_Roberts85
..... there is no doubt in my mind. I may be wrong but .....
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E".
Hey Matt, that sounds eerily like myself when I tell Mrs. Elvis, 'Hey I'm a pretty buff stud. If I wasn't so fat, I'd....'
Sorry, couldn't resist!
To the matter at hand, I wonder why Downie's left knee is lifted in to the back of Sid's leg when they make contact? It appears to me anyways, that it isn't a balance issue, but that perhaps Downie, like most people of his ilk, thought it would be okay to give Sid a little rough up, with a quick little slew foot and take him down, except it didnt' work out that way.
I'm pretty sure he thought he would have only given McAmmond a hard check, until he knocked him out too.....
Reputation following Downie? Not so much as that Murphy's law for morons that seem to follow guys like him, if it can turn out worse, it probably will. |
| irvine |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 20:59:49
Beans:
I fully agree that (atleast my opinion) regarding the hit is based on who did it, more than the actual slew foot itself.
But i'm just tired of Downie and his wreckless ways. This guy has no regard for any player on the ice. Not even his own teammates.
It's only a matter of time before this guy hurts someone again, perhaps even more fatal than previous times.
I just don't want to see this guy play another NHL game again. (no hockey game, for that matter.)
Irvine/prez. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 19:15:49
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Again, switch the two players and tell me it was still intentional. If Crosby is hitting Downie, what's the call?? I doubt there would have even been a 2 minute penalty.
I'll tell you what the call would be from around here....GREAT PLAY SID!!!! 
Beans, i agree, it's the person involved that's clouding opinions more likely than not. I have to say that after seeing a few more replays, i now see there was a puck involved at some point, however, it was long gone from the play when these two got tangled up! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 16:55:24
I have watched the video 100 times.
As easily as people could say this in intetional, it's just as easy to say that Downie felt himself falling or caught an edge.
No one can say that Downie did it intentionally. That is his reputation talking there.
Again, switch the two players and tell me it was still intentional. If Crosby is hitting Downie, what's the call?? I doubt there would have even been a 2 minute penalty. |
| Guest3349 |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 15:13:27
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsJtvXPhqXE&feature=related
beans go to this video and keep replaying from 51 seconds.
no doubt in my mind you see downie right leg jump up putting all his weight on crosby. you see his right hand come down too so he doesnt land on his face. its intentional, |
| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 12:48:56
Downie deliberatly put his weight down on the back of crosbys knee, there is no doubt in my mind. I may be wrong but ive watched it more than a few times and not only does crosby dish the puck well before downie leans on him but you can see steve put his knee right down on the back of sids and just drop. Big time intent to injure in my books.
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 07:59:27
Downie got a 2 minute roughing penalty on the play.
Not much else the refs could have gave him. Crosby had the puck and was skating up the boards. Downie was engaging Crosby as he pass the puck across the ice.
I am on the fence on this one. It's hard to argue because it's Downie and the past he has. However, when I watch the replay over and over, even in slow mo, Downie lost an edge and fell into Crosby rather than hitting him. Or, Downie realized that he had Crosby vulnerable and dropped his weight onto Crosby's leg.
I don't think one can reasonable argue for the latter. If it was Crosby doing the hit and Downie receiving the hit we would not be talking about this.
I don't see much coming out of this, but I agree that Downie is reckless and dangerous and it's not a matter of if, but when the next time this guy hurts another player.
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| Matt_Roberts85 |
Posted - 03/15/2010 : 07:46:01
From what I see on the reply there is little doubt in my mind that downie intentionally tried to take out Sids knee. He wrapped his leg around the back of sid and just dropped, Blatant attempt to injure and just another example of a fringe player taking liberties with another teams star to try and gain an advantage
There is no "I" in team, but there is an "M" and an "E". |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 03/14/2010 : 23:15:40
Irv, just saw the hightlights from tonights games now and saw the Downie play on Crosby. Tell me something. Did you see the game? Cuz from the replay i saw, and it may have been limited, i never saw the puck anywhere near Downie and Crosby??? Did he get a penalty on the play cuz if nothing else, it had to be interference? I too can't stand the guy and i'm shocked it was only a few short years ago that i was cheering for him here in Vancouver with the WJC squad! |
| irvine |
Posted - 03/14/2010 : 19:45:30
YES! Absolutely it deserves a suspension. I touched on this earlier today in the topic 'Least favorite player' and to get to the point of what I said in that topic...
I am sick of this kid. He does so many questionable things, on a nightly basis. We're not talking a mistake here, perhaps another one there. We're talking just about EVERY game this kid does something dumb and dangerous.
He has zero regard for the players around him. I mean really, knock out your own teammates teeth during practice? (Juniors) Try that in the NHL. You'll be wishing you hadn't.
He deserves the book thrown at him in my opinion. It's time to for him to learn his lesson. I'd be perfectly fine if he never played another NHL game again. (Not deserving for this hit alone,) but for all he has done and his terrible disregard for anyone in the league... just rid of the guy.
I hate this kid. He's the one true NHL player I can not stand. He brings nothing to table, except for his disregard for the safety of others. Good riddance Downie.
Irvine/prez. |
