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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:15:36
What is the best way to improve the quality of the game in the nhl today?
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| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 17:51:58
i can see your point with the oilers of 2 years ago and the ducks of 03 and the flames of a few years back but to me you hve to perform in the season to make the post season if you had a mediocre season then i dont believe you deserve a spot in the playoffs take last year for example all three teams fightin for the last spot in the east,,, being mtl toronto and the islander did not deserve playoff spots ,,, mtl was only 2 games above 500 i think,,, just my two cents,,,
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:31:27
Alex, I challenge you to read the posts a little more carefully before you post.
1) There would be more teams in the playoffs, not less. Today, there are 8 from each conference, meaning 16 total. My idea has 10 teams from each conference, meaning 20 total.
2) If a team played every regular season game plus a best of 5, they are getting 79 games minimally. That only 3 less than today.
3) This would make the underdog have more a chance as there are more teams in the playoffs.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| I HATE CROSBY |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 16:31:22
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Originally posted by Alex
Yes, but what about the underdogs? What about the excitement of the playoffs, knowing it is a whole new ball game? It doesn't leave room for surprise if you take out teams from the playoffs.
Habs get number 25 this year
Great call, what would have happened 2 years ago then? The Oilers knocked off the Wings, among others to get to the finals.....The First 2 rounds of the playoffs are always the best!
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day! |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 15:45:51
Yes, but what about the underdogs? What about the excitement of the playoffs, knowing it is a whole new ball game? It doesn't leave room for surprise if you take out teams from the playoffs.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 15:44:14
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Originally posted by Alex
You know how much the NHL would lose money with less playoff teams? Aside from the fact that that means less total games, it also means that less teams make the playoffs (D-oh) meaning less fans have genuine interest.
Habs get number 25 this year
first off i'd be more interested in the playoffs if teams that are barely over.500 or even below didn;t make the playoffs take baseball for example (won of the most profitable sports in world history) only the division leaders make the playoffs plus the two best second place teams from the A.L and the N.L ,, this way the quality of the game is much higher sure there are less games but come on Alex watching hockey in june its a bit of a strech i'd like to see the playoffs rap up a little quicker and teams like buffalo were last year not playing the ilse in the first round and instead playing the devils,,,!
Pasty |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 15:27:08
You know how much the NHL would lose money with less playoff teams? Aside from the fact that that means less total games, it also means that less teams make the playoffs (D-oh) meaning less fans have genuine interest.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 13:09:14
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Originally posted by Beans15
Reducing the size of the league to 24-26 teams would be the best thing. It would vastly improve the quality of players and force teams to ice skaters that are more than one dimensional. Players like Bogaard would be gone and good riddance. Guys like Gary Roberts would be worth their weight in gold. A guy who can play both sides of the puck and chuck the mitts would be as valuable as any other position.
And the instigator rule gone would help too. Get back to the refs managing the game and the players policing their play.
Another thing I would like to see is rather than increasing the length of the season, they should make it shorter. If there were 24 teams in the league, it would mean 6-4 team divisions. You could have 4 games against the division (12 games), 4 games against the others in the division in your conference (16 games) and 4 against the other conference (48 games) meaning a 76 games season. Then, put in 10 teams from each conference into the playoffs. Seed them 1 through 10, and the 1st and 2nd place teams get a buy into the second round. Then, have the first round of the playoffs be a best of 5. Then the remaining round could be a best of 7.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!!
i like the playoff rewducing idea,, i mean i find the playoffs drag on a lil to long in the nhl,, i mean look at the mlb 3 weeks and you have your world series champs,,
Pasty |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 11:22:14
Reducing the size of the league to 24-26 teams would be the best thing. It would vastly improve the quality of players and force teams to ice skaters that are more than one dimensional. Players like Bogaard would be gone and good riddance. Guys like Gary Roberts would be worth their weight in gold. A guy who can play both sides of the puck and chuck the mitts would be as valuable as any other position.
And the instigator rule gone would help too. Get back to the refs managing the game and the players policing their play.
Another thing I would like to see is rather than increasing the length of the season, they should make it shorter. If there were 24 teams in the league, it would mean 6-4 team divisions. You could have 4 games against the division (12 games), 4 games against the others in the division in your conference (16 games) and 4 against the other conference (48 games) meaning a 76 games season. Then, put in 10 teams from each conference into the playoffs. Seed them 1 through 10, and the 1st and 2nd place teams get a buy into the second round. Then, have the first round of the playoffs be a best of 5. Then the remaining round could be a best of 7.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| dummy101 |
Posted - 12/17/2007 : 04:02:48
I voted instigator (Gretzsky rule).You would go back to free wheeling hockey because the good players would not have to worry about being hit in 95% of the games.They would have to keep their head up in games with guys like Phaneuf(sp)(ala Scott Stevens) playing because they can hit and fight.90% of the guys running players would only do it once and then your modern day Semenko's would bloody them up good, problem solved!!
I don't think it will ever happen though, because Wayne wants his records protected and geez they talk about asterisks after records.IfCrosby,Oveckin(sp),etc,. played pre instigator at least 30-40 points more/season.
The inconsistent refereeing has to be addressed before any rule changes will ever matter anyway.One third of the refs can keep up (mentally) with the speed of the game and that ruins it.Get games with 2 good refs and it is almost always entertaining no matter who the teams playing are. |
| I HATE CROSBY |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 22:23:12
The 9 forward idea is a different idea. I like the reducing the number of teams idea, crossed with removing the instigator rule. (ie: early 90's style, where the goalies were still good, but the average player was better)...The only problem is, if there are less players in the league, there's less chance a fighter will make the team, but I hope that's not the case.
They have made one good choice in fixing the schedule...
The best idea would be to get rid of Bettman, of course....He took a prosperous league and made it less popular than UFC by thinking only of dollars and cents....I think the league would be a lot better if there WERE owners like Jim Balsillie.
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day! |
| willus3 |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 20:22:24
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Originally posted by Pasty7
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Originally posted by willus3
see the only problem i have with eliminating teams is it gives off the impression that the nhl isn't doing so hot and "contracting" where as the good players that get cut from the good team can move into a supporting role on the expansion teams and create stronger expansion teams,,,, and like you pointed out back in the day most players played drunk or hungover ate what they wanted and still logged more ice time much more infact then todays players,, so you would think todays ultra fit players with diet coachs training before after and during the offseason could log more ice time,,, i mean i'd like to see guys like lecavalier iginla brierre jagr on the ice more and less belaks
Pasty
The only guy it would look bad on if the league downsized is Bettman, the single biggest proponent for expanding
That wouldn't hurt my feelings I assure you.
The more I think about it, that 9 forwards idea would be great in todays game. I mentioned in another thread awhile back that they should have mandatory minimum 1 minute shifts but I just wasn't sure how it could be done logistically. I think this could get the same results. I mean how much can a guy accomplish in a 30 second shift? I've always thought it was silly this thinking of skating your guts out for 30 seconds and then coming off and waiting for the next 30 second shift. The game isn't played at top speed for 60 minutes. You pick your moments. Back when they played minute to two minute shifts or more they understood that. The game now is like watching a pinball game. Guys are bouncing all over, the puck is all over but there is very little flow to any game. When you slow it down a little you begin to see opportunities and openings and then exciting rushes and pretty passing plays happen.
A little rant there.
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore |
| Alex |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:47:55
I do not think it is possible to operate with nine forwards. The game gets so tiring.
Then again, it is the fourth liners, as I said in another forum ' Someone will kill Avery', that do all the hitting and all the grinding and all the momentum shifting. Without them, players would be substantially less tired in the game.
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:42:36
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Originally posted by willus3
I think the 9 forwards idea is actually quite interesting. It would force players to be better all around that's for sure.
And then these super fit athletes of today would have to have more ice time. It would be nice to see their shifts lengthened and that would probably accomplish it. Yes a very interesting idea indeed...
That said, the choice i would make here is to eliminate some expansion teams. No surprise there...
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore
see the only problem i have with eliminating teams is it gives off the impression that the nhl isn't doing so hot and "contracting" where as the good players that get cut from the good team can move into a supporting role on the expansion teams and create stronger expansion teams,,,, and like you pointed out back in the day most players played drunk or hungover ate what they wanted and still logged more ice time much more infact then todays players,, so you would think todays ultra fit players with diet coachs training before after and during the offseason could log more ice time,,, i mean i'd like to see guys like lecavalier iginla brierre jagr on the ice more and less belaks
Pasty |
| willus3 |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:29:22
I think the 9 forwards idea is actually quite interesting. It would force players to be better all around that's for sure.
And then these super fit athletes of today would have to have more ice time. It would be nice to see their shifts lengthened and that would probably accomplish it. Yes a very interesting idea indeed...
That said, the choice i would make here is to eliminate some expansion teams. No surprise there...
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 12/16/2007 : 19:21:15
I firmly believe professionals would not need a 4th line, the quality of player that would remain in the nhl would prove for much better contest between teams, in actuality first liners would play essentially the same it would be the third and liners who you have to contribute more to the game,, i don;t feel this would be a problem because most third liners left would be quality young players on there way up in the league or older stars not ready to retire example micheal peca,,,i think this would easily make expansion teams far better clubs because teams like say the rangers might through away solid players like marcel hossa who would be the ideal third liner!!
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