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| LeafsFan4Life |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 07:42:13
I am not the hugest fan of Crosby but really is he really the best canadian athelete that we have? I think there are plenty of other canadates from all sports that are better then someone with 2 years of pro experience. Basketball- Steve Nash, Hockey - Lecalvier, skiing - Erik Guay, Molitor in boxing, i guess my question is scoring title or not does he really deserve the best athlete in canada?
that is my poll question does he really deserve this distinct honor
if yes why?
if no why?
Long Live Hockey |
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| Guest6199 |
Posted - 01/31/2008 : 13:12:27
Crosby likes to suck it long and suck it hard. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/14/2008 : 15:26:21
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Originally posted by Alex
Cindy Klassen, the SINGLE most decorated athlete ever?
What about Wayne Gretzky guys? Yeah, so, he didnt win 5 gold medals in one year. It's a lot harder when gold medals are not individualistic as in hockey. But the individual ones that were up fro grabs, he, well you could say, grabbed
Habs get number 25 this year
The fact that hockey medals(or other team sports for that matter) are not individualistic make the feat that Klassen did even more impressive. She had no one to lean on, and she could not have an "off" race.
How about Eric Brewer?? The guy has never even been an All Star yet he has an Olympic Gold.
Take nothing away from guy who have won Gold Medals in team sports, but I don't think you can compare that to a singles sport.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| Alex |
Posted - 01/14/2008 : 15:06:23
Cindy Klassen, the SINGLE most decorated athlete ever?
What about Wayne Gretzky guys? Yeah, so, he didnt win 5 gold medals in one year. It's a lot harder when gold medals are not individualistic as in hockey. But the individual ones that were up fro grabs, he, well you could say, grabbed
Habs get number 25 this year |
| Guest6199 |
Posted - 01/03/2008 : 09:50:16
Boo Crosby, Boooooo. |
| Antroman |
Posted - 01/02/2008 : 20:28:58
Cindy Klassen is the single most decorated Canadian athlete ever. The year she was named Canada's top athlete she won five medals in her sport. This feat has only been accomplished one other time in the history of the games. This is remarkable in itself. Of most all the athletes on the list of winners, Klassen is one of the most deserving of all of them. I don't care if the winner is a woman or a man or pink, blue, green or purple, this was an amazing accomplishment and she did every Canadian who cares about our amateur athlete's proud. No, I can't remember any of the names who competed against her but I know one thing for sure, they were the best that every other country in the world had to offer and our Cindy topped them all!!!!! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 01/01/2008 : 09:55:01
IHC you are exactly right. I couldn't tell you who she beat or even what events she competed in. I don't follow speed skating. If I did, or kayaking for that matter, I could tell you. This is not a popularity contest. Just because hockey, golf, baseball, etc is more popular does not mean that the acomplishment is higher than an less popular amateur sport.
Think of it this way, many amateur athletes get one crack, maybe two to succeed on a large scale in their sport (ie, the Olympics). That's one or two shots to put years of training into fruition. Pro's, on the other hand, have as many as their body will allow. Sid's already had 2 season. He will more than likely have 15ish to win the Holy Grail. Plus, amateur athletes get paid peanuts if anything at all to compete.
Personally, I think that amateur athletics is sports in the purest form. I would reward that over a pro almost every time.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| I HATE CROSBY |
Posted - 12/31/2007 : 12:21:30
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Originally posted by MSC
I agree with the list for the most part as well...other then Johnson though I have to disagree with Jock Villanoov and Mike Weir.
Is that a joke...Weir was a hero in 2003..If Klassen (thanks beans..now I can actually say it, hahaha) can get it for her few weeks at the top, I'm pretty sure a masters champion deserved it...He also had very strong showings at the US open and the PGA championship that year, and I think he also won elsewhere too......That's the biggest joke accusation EVER....
And beans...a kayaker winning it? How many people out there follow Kayaking? How much competition could a Kayaker have...
And as for Klassen winning, no no no no!!!!! If you think she deserved to win that award, then please tell me who she beat? The number of competitive female speed skaters in the world at any given time is minute compared to the number of gifted hockey players, or basketball players or golfers....We all know tonnes of good hockey players, tonnes of good golfers, and tonnes af good b-ball players...But I doubt anyone could say who Klassen beat that year without looking it up!
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day! |
| SuperSakic |
Posted - 12/31/2007 : 08:44:56
What about Haley Wickenheiser? Here's a pro athlete who, unlike crosby, has done it all. She cannot win another award in her sport, unlike crosby, and yet she remains unheralded....Is it just because crosby is a man (although the jury is still out on that one  )? |
| MSC |
Posted - 12/31/2007 : 03:18:22
I agree with the list for the most part as well...other then Johnson though I have to disagree with Jock Villanoov and Mike Weir. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/31/2007 : 02:08:09
I personally see nothing wrong with the winners list. Honestly, a person like Cindy Klassen(who's name is quite easy to spell) is just as deserving, if not more deserving than most any pro athlete. First off, those 2 weeks at the Olympics were a culmination of years of training and dedication to a sport that paid her little to no money. And winning 5 Olympic medals and breaking two world records in one season is spectacular. That's like winning the President's Trophy, the Stanley Cup, the Hart, Art Ross, and Pearson, and breaking a long standing record or two. Hence the fact that only Lemiuex and Gretzky have won the award as hockey players in the 26 years before Sid's recent win!!
This award has been highly criticized because the tendancy of the winner to be a non-professional from sports other than hockey. I think it's great.
And who on the list since 1980 doesn't belong?? The only person I can see on the list who there could be an issue raised on is Ben Johnson. Let's not let the fact that we don't know who the person is cloud the judgement about if they belong on the list.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/31/2007 : 01:56:58
Here's a list of the Lou Marsh Award winners since 1980.
1980 Terry Fox Marathon of Hope 1
1981 Susan Nattrass Shooting 1
1982 Wayne Gretzky * Ice hockey 1
1983 Rick Hansen[9] Wheelchair racing 1
1983 Wayne Gretzky * Ice hockey 2
1984 Gaétan Boucher Speed skating 1
1985 Wayne Gretzky * Ice hockey 3
1986 Ben Johnson * Track and field 1
1987 Ben Johnson * Track and field 2
1988 Carolyn Waldo ^ Synchronized swimming 1
1989 Wayne Gretzky * Ice hockey 4
1990 Kurt Browning * Figure skating 1
1991 Silken Laumann ^ Rowing 1
1992 Mark Tewksbury * Swimming 1
1993 Mario Lemieux * Ice Hockey 1
1994 Myriam Bédard ^ Biathlon 1
1995 Jacques Villeneuve * Auto racing 1
1996 Donovan Bailey * Track and field 1
1997 Jacques Villeneuve * Auto racing 2
1998 Larry Walker * Baseball 1
1999 Caroline Brunet Kayaking 1
2000 Daniel Igali Wrestling 1
2001 Jamie Salé & David Pelletier Figure skating 1
2002 Catriona Le May Doan ^ Speed skating 1
2003 Mike Weir * Golf 1
2004 Adam van Koeverden Kayaking 1
2005 Steve Nash * Basketball 1
2006 Cindy Klassen ^ Speed skating 1
2007 Sidney Crosby *[2] Ice hockey 1
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| I HATE CROSBY |
Posted - 12/30/2007 : 12:25:20
I made it clear that I didn't think Mikw Weir was Canada's top athelete!!!...I just wanted to mention my favorite Canadian-Sports moment of the year!!!!
However, If That speed skating woman (who's name I can't spell) got it the year before for her 2 weeks in the Olympics and 2 or 3 other wins elsewhere, who knows....Who really cares? The people who pick the award don't really know what they're doing anyways...Have you seen some of the past winners?
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day! |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/30/2007 : 10:04:19
Sorry guys, that last post was mine, forgot to sign in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Guest9900 |
Posted - 12/30/2007 : 10:02:34
I posted again because I really wanted to mention to some of you guys that Sid is a kid and kid's have been known to whine. Sid is also a Captain and it is their job to whine. I think we should all give him a little tolerance in this regard because like most of us he will grow out of it. Also, it would be hypocritical to overly accuse him of it because we all still do it ourselves on occasion. It is human nature and we are all guilty of it. At least Crosby has a couple of excuses. |
| Antroman |
Posted - 12/30/2007 : 09:49:38
We are not talking about your favourite athlete here but Canada's athlete of the year. It is just this past year. Vinny Lecalvier is probably a better player than Sid at this juncture of their carreers but we are dealing with a player in Sid that basically led his hockey team as a teenager and took home the hardware in the league this year. Everybody knows how good Nash is and he has won his fair share of awards in the past but this past year he was not the best player, close and in the running but close is only good in hand grenades and horseshoes. Mike Weir? He is far from being the top golfer on the PGA tour and his one big round against Tiger hardly qualifies him for Canada's top award. It wasn't a complete tournament and only one round. We all have one of those on occasion? Sid's accomplishments over the course of the year were amazing considering first, his age and second, the quality of the team he has rescued from the brink and thirdly, he excelled in the best hockey league in the world, then I think he more than qualifies for Canada's Top Athlete Of The Year!!!!!! |
| LeafsFan4Life |
Posted - 12/30/2007 : 06:41:03
I not to sure but i think for this year to day Lecaviler is a better canadian athlete then crosby is even with the point totals from last year added to this years stats Vinnie is way ahead of the kid. if i was on the polls for the best canadian athlete based on this i would have picked a guy who always seems to get overlooked. but that is just my humble opinion.
Long Live Hockey |
| MSC |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 20:27:28
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Originally posted by LeafsFan4Life
quote:
Originally posted by MSC
Well the thing is this is Canadian Athlete of the Year 2007, not 2006. Steve Nash could have won MVP, Times #1 most influential Person, a Grammy, an Oscar and a Nobel Prize in 2006 and it would have absolutly nothing to do with what he accomplished in 2007 (what he did accomplish was still very impressive). I really don't think there was any other option other then Cros for athlete of the year.
crosbys stats for this year to date
C Sidney Crosby PIT 36 16 32 48 3 4 0 2 0 35 112 14.3
my other question is if crosby is the best athelte of the year and being with his whole year of experience would he not have lead his team to stanley cup, also he is only 5th in scoring at the current time reguardless of how great a player he is and yes i will admit that from the games i have seen him play in there is no other great innovator
in the game for plays and playing style, but i do not believe he can be the greatest athelete in canada for this year. With so many other prosective great athletes out there. With all of the media hype around him I guess they gotta go with what the press says.
Long Live Hockey
That's great, care to enlighten me as to who was the Canadian Athlete of the Year then?
And as far as Mike Weir for athlete of the year goes....I think it's great he did well in Montreal and I cheer for him/watch him every chance I get BUT one feel good story/one big win does not make an athlete of the YEAR.
I also think everyone is looking at this the wrong way. These athlete's aren't being compared to non canadian athletes for this award. Just because Steve Nash wasn't arguably the best player in the NBA last year doesn't exlude him from winning the award. He can only be compared to other Canadians. And he certainly had a better year then Jamal Magloire. You don't neccesarily need to be the best at your sport to win, just the best Canadian. At the end of the day though, Crosby had more success at his sport then anyone else had at theirs in THE YEAR 2007. |
| I HATE CROSBY |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 16:59:33
That's a big no for me on Sid getting that, obviously. Who had a more impressive year Willus asks? Every Canadian on the mighty Ducks, for starters.
Steve Nash is a beauty, and seeing him play so well in a sport not really designed for guys like him is very admirable.
One feel good story was Mike Wier's big comeback at the end of the year. In my opinion, the greatest sports moment for me as a Canadian to watch all year was when he took down Tiger in Montreal, that was very touching. But Mike probably doesn't deserve the "top athelete of the year.
I guess I can take Sidney winning this a lot better than I could take that speed skater the year before, that was very irritating! I think that they should give out more than just the one "top athelete" award. there should be a top men's, a top women's and a top amateur athelete(one for men's and one for women's). It's impossible to compare what a male achieves to what a female does. Just as it's impossible to compare what a pro athlete. who is in the the spotlight all year, to an amateur one, who is in the spotlight for about two weeks out of the year (but still works their butt off!!!)...
But my top male, pro athelete is Luongo over Sidney..But Even I'll admit Sid had a solid year performance wise...However, giving such an award to a whiny little bitch is kind of a slap in the face to what I think being Canadian is all about.
Sugar Ray over Hasek any day! |
| Guest6199 |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 12:08:13
Good rebuttal, I salute you.
Still, Boo Crosby. |
| hkalirah |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 11:46:15
It’s pretty safe to say Crosby was the best player in the NHL in 2007 is it not? That’s why he won the Hart/Art Ross trophies.
Nash was MVP in 2005 and 2006, not 2007, although he was in contention. Nash plays on a team with people like Stoudamire, Shawn Marion, etc. all of who are premier players in the league.
Besides Malkin, Crosby didn’t have any other star player on his team (it can be argued if Gonchar is a star). The two of them were major factors in taking a team which only had 58 points in 2005-2006 to the playoffs with over 100 points.
There are other Canadians who had great years, however you have to remember that this is Canada, a place Hockey is God. If a Canadian hockey player excels like Crosby did, it will be recognized over anyone else in any other sport.
Go Wings Go! |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 11:29:07
I think the fact that it was a year where a Canadian really didn't dominate on an interational scale (ie Olympics, World Championships, etc) and I can't not recall an athlete with any kind of "feel good story" such as overcoming some kind of affliction and excelling, Crosby was the logically choice.
Like him or hate him, you have to look at it objecively. Although not having playoff success, Sid's contributions did vastly improve Pitts situation in the league. He lead a league of men as a Kid. Nash had a fine year, but didn't do more than he did in 06. There were a couple of Canadian Baseball players that did well, but not more than Crosby.
I don't think Crosby is a poor choice, but I can't see him repeating unless he exceeds what he did in 07. Without a Cup or a significant lead in scoring, it won't be him in '08.
Wayne or Bobby?? How about both!!! |
| LeafsFan4Life |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 11:10:25
Crosby dominted the league by a whole 6 points last year, that is complete and utter domination in my book. but a person who can win 2 back to back league mvps is not as good. I personly dont think he deserves this award over any other person who was nominated, but i guess the press dictates who should win and who should be second place.
Long Live Hockey |
| leafsfan_101 |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 11:03:39
quote:
Originally posted by LeafsFan4Life
quote:
Originally posted by MSC
Well the thing is this is Canadian Athlete of the Year 2007, not 2006. Steve Nash could have won MVP, Times #1 most influential Person, a Grammy, an Oscar and a Nobel Prize in 2006 and it would have absolutly nothing to do with what he accomplished in 2007 (what he did accomplish was still very impressive). I really don't think there was any other option other then Cros for athlete of the year.
crosbys stats for this year to date
C Sidney Crosby PIT 36 16 32 48 3 4 0 2 0 35 112 14.3
my other question is if crosby is the best athelte of the year and being with his whole year of experience would he not have lead his team to stanley cup, also he is only 5th in scoring at the current time reguardless of how great a player he is and yes i will admit that from the games i have seen him play in there is no other great innovator
in the game for plays and playing style, but i do not believe he can be the greatest athelete in canada for this year. With so many other prosective great athletes out there. With all of the media hype around him I guess they gotta go with what the press says.
Long Live Hockey
Steve Nash never led te Suns to an NBA Championship in all his time in Pheonix. I can't say that last year Nash dominated the NBA like Sidney did with the NHL. If someone can dominate their particular sport then they should reign supreme over all others. And Crosby did that. |
| Guest9718 |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 10:24:10
People are just acting jealous. Watch Crosby on the ice, take into account the fact that he's playing with rookies and old timers, consider the fact that he's only at his second year in the pros, I guess he deserves his title. He is definitely one of the most talented, if not the most talented player in the league. See how Ovechkin does in Washington. He's quite talented, but the team behind him simply doesn't follow. Nash is one of a player, but he has the people to back him. Considering all those factors, I guess Crosby is way above others and his talent has to be underlined. He has become an icon for young athletes (just like Tiger Woods). |
| Guest6199 |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 10:21:45
Must have been a very Slow year if they picked whiney for the best canadian athelete
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| Guest6199 |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 09:44:05
Boo Crosby. |
| LeafsFan4Life |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 08:56:24
quote:
Originally posted by MSC
Well the thing is this is Canadian Athlete of the Year 2007, not 2006. Steve Nash could have won MVP, Times #1 most influential Person, a Grammy, an Oscar and a Nobel Prize in 2006 and it would have absolutly nothing to do with what he accomplished in 2007 (what he did accomplish was still very impressive). I really don't think there was any other option other then Cros for athlete of the year.
crosbys stats for this year to date
C Sidney Crosby PIT 36 16 32 48 3 4 0 2 0 35 112 14.3
my other question is if crosby is the best athelte of the year and being with his whole year of experience would he not have lead his team to stanley cup, also he is only 5th in scoring at the current time reguardless of how great a player he is and yes i will admit that from the games i have seen him play in there is no other great innovator
in the game for plays and playing style, but i do not believe he can be the greatest athelete in canada for this year. With so many other prosective great athletes out there. With all of the media hype around him I guess they gotta go with what the press says.
Long Live Hockey |
| MSC |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 08:45:34
Well the thing is this is Canadian Athlete of the Year 2007, not 2006. Steve Nash could have won MVP, Times #1 most influential Person, a Grammy, an Oscar and a Nobel Prize in 2006 and it would have absolutly nothing to do with what he accomplished in 2007 (what he did accomplish was still very impressive). I really don't think there was any other option other then Cros for athlete of the year. |
| LeafsFan4Life |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 08:08:27
I would personally say that Steve Nash is better. Just on the basis that he is a true leader he was voted in 2006 as one of time magazines most influential people. He was also voted his leagues mvp for two years straight. Overall i believe he is a much better athelete. But that is my personal opinion
Long Live Hockey |
| willus3 |
Posted - 12/27/2007 : 07:53:16
quote:
Originally posted by LeafsFan4Life
I am not the hugest fan of Crosby but really is he really the best canadian athelete that we have? I think there are plenty of other canadates from all sports that are better then someone with 2 years of pro experience. Basketball- Rick Nash, Hockey - Lecalvier, skiing - Erik Guay, Molitor in boxing, i guess my question is scoring title or not does he really deserve the best athlete in canada?
that is my poll question does he really deserve this distinct honor
if yes why?
if no why?
Long Live Hockey
Can you name another that had as impressive a year as Crosby? Years of experience have nothing to do with it. It's about how well that athlete performed that particular year.
"I'm a man of principle... or not. Whatever the situation calls for." - Alan Shore |
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