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| PuckNuts |
Posted - 04/15/2007 : 14:33:01
Tell me what you think of the various adjusted scoring theories and formulas...
There are many that have been published on the internet, and in books, feel free to add the links to interesting sites that you have come across.
I am working on my own formulas, they will be variations of the many that are out there...
At present I have seen them in the book "Total Hockey", and on web sites such as:
The Hockey Project http://members.shaw.ca/hbtn/index.htm
Real Scoring http://www.geocities.com/thehockeyoutsider/RealScoring.pdf
Puckerings http://www.puckerings.com/research/gva.html
Early Pioneers:
Dan Diamond
Daryl Shilling
Jeff Klein
Eric Reif
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| 99pickles |
Posted - 05/18/2007 : 02:32:26
That monster book Total Hockey has a great adjusted stats column for every player in the history of the league. Without getting too deep into how they figured it out ( and without getting up off my but to even pull it off my shelf) they compared all players stats against league average for every season and made them historically comparable. When I originally read the explanation I was very excited about it. Until... I saw that this system gives Lemieux the single season scoring record (stripping it from Gretzky of course) and it also reverses Lemieux/Gretzky for only player ever to crack 200 pts. That's when I realized what tctitans said - it is merely interesting and hypothetical. Whew !! |
| willus3 |
Posted - 05/14/2007 : 17:04:47
quote:
Originally posted by PuckNuts
Trying to bring players and different eras to a level playing field is very difficult, if not impossible. Some of the factors that are not inclued in the adjusted scoring are:
Age
Teammates
Coaching
Equipment advances
Fitness training
Ice surface conditions...
Anty others you can think of please post them...
Lead, follow, or get out of the way...
All of the things you listed are moot. The fluctuations over eras are direct results of all of these things and therefore the adjustment works that out...
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| PuckNuts |
Posted - 05/14/2007 : 08:26:37
Trying to bring players and different eras to a level playing field is very difficult, if not impossible. Some of the factors that are not inclued in the adjusted scoring are:
Age
Teammates
Coaching
Equipment advances
Fitness training
Ice surface conditions...
Anty others you can think of please post them...
Lead, follow, or get out of the way... |
| ED11 |
Posted - 04/15/2007 : 22:51:49
Yeah, I totally agree with tctitans. They kinds of things are very fun to look at but we have to realize that we can't take them too far
Nice post pucknuts! |
| Leafs Rock Planet |
Posted - 04/15/2007 : 18:06:17
This is a really interesting topic I'm surprised there is only 2 responses.
Way too go Pucknuts!
Always next year!! |
| willus3 |
Posted - 04/15/2007 : 18:04:19
You have to take them for what they are. It's interesting to look at them and it does give you an idea of what the different eras were like. However every theory and formula is flawed in some way. I do like looking at them though. It's nice to have some sort of stats to rationalize the outrageous offensive numbers of the 80's
Here's an interesting site. It's not exactly adjusted stats but it plays with stats to determine a players value.
http://www.puckerings.com/research/gva.html
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| tctitans |
Posted - 04/15/2007 : 14:46:14
'Adjusted Stats' are interesting to review, compare, contrast, evaluate, ponder, equate, and discuss... however they are still theoretical a and hence must be maintained in that realm of reality (or unreality if you prefer). Basically I'm saying that they are fun to review and discuss, but I wouldnt put too much meaning into any of them.
Good topic thou PuckNuts! |
