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Posted - 11/02/2010 : 18:00:37
The Toronto fans booed Dion Phaneuf on Saturday night. Did the new captain deserve the ridicule from the Leaf faithful? |
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| Guest0387 |
Posted - 05/30/2011 : 17:54:36
come on, this is the guy who made the top three alongside crosby and ovechkin for the calder. note that ovechkin won (just to make you
happy troll) |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 01:56:18
Speaking of Kovi, did you see the 100 million dollar man in his shootout performance last night?
Someone replaced the puck with a mexican jumping bean.... |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/10/2010 : 12:25:26
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Originally posted by ToXXiK1
I believe they call that "no guaranteed contracts" in the NFL.
Big coin, don't produce & yer a memory.
Ding Ding, we have a winner!!
Part of the reason the NFL is so profitable (outside of their huge, billion dollar TV deal) is that an owner is not ever on the hook for a contract. Just like Toxxik stated, no performance and you are released. Some players get smart and ensure some amount of 'guaranteed money' but it's never the entire contract.
It's a huge challenge for a GM to find ways to make mistakes go away and no GM is perfect. A deal like Horcoff for example, or Phaneuf to some degrees, Kovalchuk's deal. Etc. However, no guaranteed contract also reduced some of the ability of the salary cap. There could no longer be any contracts with varying payouts. They would have to be an even spilt across the deal.
I would love to see the same contract structure in the NHL as in the NFL. |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 11/10/2010 : 12:09:05
I believe they call that "no guaranteed contracts" in the NFL.
Big coin, don't produce & yer a memory. |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 11/10/2010 : 11:15:30
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Originally posted by Guest3024
Yes, the more a player is paid, the more you can demand, but just because you demand more from a player does not mean hes going to deliver more. They are going to deliver exactly what they are capable of. They should be paid by how good they play, not play on how high as they are paid. Am I making sense? Probably not.
"Here's a fat contract, and the captaincy. Play better now. Better than you ever have."
It doesn't really work that way. It's sort of like giving Shane Obrien a pay cut, and telling him to play worse. He won't play any worse, because he is NOT capable of it. He can only play to his best (which is really f***ing good).
If i'm reading this correctly, you feel they should be paid like players are in golf? Win / perform well, you get more money? I'd love to see that, however, with different styles of players bringing different qualities to the table for their teams, it'd be tough to set a pay scale i bet??? Be great though if they could! "What have you done for me lately" could be the new name of the pay scale!  |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/10/2010 : 10:09:36
Personally, I do take Bouwmeester over Phaneuf. I think he brings significantly more to the table defensively and has the ability to contribute offensively. Not nearly to the same offensive contribution as Phaneuf however he has put up seasons of 15goals and 40+ points. It's not 60, but he brings more to the table defensively which is the kicker for me.
Furthermore, the guy has not missed an NHL game since, well ever. He has played 7 NHL seasons, played in 82 games in 6 of those seasons, and has not missed a game since the 03/04 season. Chewing up 25ish minutes a game every night.
Ya, even with the weak season last year I take Bouwmeester of Phaneuf pretty easily. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/10/2010 : 08:42:44
you do make sense - they should be paid by how well they play. But they didn't get to that pay scale without playing well, which is my point. Which comes first, the paycheque or the skill?
I say the skill - very few players command a big contract unless they have shown they deserve it (based on past performance, which is really all you can base it on). However, in some cases, things go bad - such as they have for Phaneuf.
When he signed his contract for 6.5M, his stats for the previous 3 years indicated that he warranted that salary - 49 to 50 to 60 points, around 20 goals a year, hard physical defender. A dman getting those stats should command 6M in today's NHL, based on other 6M defenders.
Whether or not he is worth that contract now is debatable, but he definitely did something to get it in the first place - not the other way around. |
| Guest3024 |
Posted - 11/10/2010 : 00:41:54
Yes, the more a player is paid, the more you can demand, but just because you demand more from a player does not mean hes going to deliver more. They are going to deliver exactly what they are capable of. They should be paid by how good they play, not play on how high as they are paid. Am I making sense? Probably not.
"Here's a fat contract, and the captaincy. Play better now. Better than you ever have."
It doesn't really work that way. It's sort of like giving Shane Obrien a pay cut, and telling him to play worse. He won't play any worse, because he is NOT capable of it. He can only play to his best (which is really f***ing good). |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/09/2010 : 23:05:32
I did qualify Jovo and Rafalski as being near the end of their careers. Timonen is overrated @ 7M per year, but he'd be worth 5.5-6 - 40-55 pts per year, 22 min avg TOI over his entire career, quarterbacks PP, kills penalties. You didn't mention Bouwemeester, would you take him over Phaneuf? Tough one, neither is complete.
I don't understand that quote - of course a player's talent has a relationship to salary. The better you are at the time you sign that contract, the more you can command. |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/09/2010 : 22:27:27
I gotta say, from that list there are few players I put Phaneuf ahead of.
Timonen I think is over rated, Boyle (as much as I like him) is very one-dimensional, Jovanovksi is on the down swing as is Rafalski.
Other than that, every player on that list is ahead of Phaneuf.
That being said, the argument is not who gets paid what. Good quote I heard today as people were talking about Ryan Getzlaf is that a players talent does not have any relationship to salary. Meaning, if a player gets paid $10 million a season or gets league minumum, it's still the same players.
Would Phaneuf magically become a better player if he was paid $3 million rather than $6 million?? Nope. The expectation changes but the player's skill level doesn't change. |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/09/2010 : 22:20:20
Phaneuf is supposed to be EVERYTHING a modern defenseman can be - when a team signs a defenseman to that sort of money they expect that they will be:
- exceptional defensively
- playing PP, PK, even strength, 22-27+ minutes a game, more if neccessary
- big and mobile
- the guy that is out there with the game on the line
- putting up 40-60+ points a year.
There are only a handful of dmen that are making north of 6M:
- Bowemeester, 6.6M
- Dan Boyle, 6.7M
- Brian Campbell, 7.1M
- Zdeno Chara, 7.5M
- Ed Jovanoski, 6M
- Duncan Keith, 8M (5M cap hit)
- Nik Lidstrom, 6.2M
- Chris Pronger, 7.6M (4.5M cap hit)
- Brian Rafalski, 6M
- Kimmo Timonen, 7M
- Luby Visnovsky, 6M
Phaneuf is good, but I would take nearly all of these dmen over Phaneuf - Bouwemeester is looking to be a bust, and Jovo and Rafalski are past their prime.
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| Utemin |
Posted - 11/09/2010 : 20:29:41
no one should boo this guy.
>I think< Phaneuf is playing well in an unknown way, sort of like Hamhuis, Jeff Shultz, and Sopel. They do not do anything spectacularly obvious but behind the play they just stopped a break-away oppertunity. The problem with Phaneuf is that he is supposed to be a Slap-Shot while instead he is playing more on the defensive side.
The Monkey is me |
| Alex116 |
Posted - 11/08/2010 : 21:38:48
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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I do not know all the details of why he was booed, but as long as he plays hard, shoots the puck, and nails people, I think he's doing his job.
While that is true for most defensemen getting paid 2 or 3 million a year, it is not true for Phaneuf. When you carry a 6.5M contract, you are expected to do all that, and put up quite a few points quarterbacking your powerplay.
If you just want those 3 things, get Shane O'Brien instead and save a few bucks.
Lol....this site might have to change it's name to shaneobrienhockey.com?
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| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/08/2010 : 19:55:23
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I do not know all the details of why he was booed, but as long as he plays hard, shoots the puck, and nails people, I think he's doing his job.
While that is true for most defensemen getting paid 2 or 3 million a year, it is not true for Phaneuf. When you carry a 6.5M contract, you are expected to do all that, and put up quite a few points quarterbacking your powerplay.
If you just want those 3 things, get Shane O'Brien instead and save a few bucks. |
| Guest4412 |
Posted - 11/08/2010 : 17:28:23
Why did Calgary trade him? Their management's motives are questionable to say the least, so you can bet that whatever reason they had for trading him, it was for reasons that were anything but logical or with purpose.
True, he is maybe a little overpaid, but he is still at least within a good range of his actual value, although that is very much a matter of opinion.
I think he's a pretty good captain, considering he pretty much embodies Burke's style of play - hard, ruthless. I do not know all the details of why he was booed, but as long as he plays hard, shoots the puck, and nails people, I think he's doing his job. |
| Guest2691 |
Posted - 11/08/2010 : 08:46:59
Why do you think Calgary traded him?? Phaneuf is not worth anything close to what he is getting paid and his attitude sucks, I cannot believe he is Toronto's captain. |
| Guest7752 |
Posted - 11/08/2010 : 07:57:35
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Originally posted by Traveller
Let me preface this by saying I am an Oilers fan so I will openly admit that I may hear some biased reports when it comes to (ex)Flames. I am not really sure if this is true or not to be honest but what better place than the Interweb to perpetuate rumours...
I heard that during his Junior carreer, Dion was so disliked by his team, they had all planned a trip to Kamloops (Or Kelowna...can't remember which one right now) as a sort of informal Team Building trip...and Dion was not invited.
Every report I have ever heard of him says that he is a cancer in the dressing room and only cares about number 1...or number 3 as it were.
A buddy of mine had a very sick little girl who spent alot of time at Ronald McDonald House in Calgary and the ONLY Flame that did not visit the House was...yup...you guessed it Phaneuf.
I am very surprised that he was chosen as a Captain of any team
All this that you mention does not matter in T.O. (and neither does winning a cup... by the way)
What matters in T.O. is ensuring fans come in to watch the games, and that and the brass has the proper TV rights in place.
So, booing Phaneuf is probably an unexpected PLUS for the brass - it's generating media interest and anticipation for the fans on what will happen once he hits the ice again... perfect combination for more interest in this saga.
Nothing to help win a cup however. |
| Traveller |
Posted - 11/08/2010 : 07:19:56
Let me preface this by saying I am an Oilers fan so I will openly admit that I may hear some biased reports when it comes to (ex)Flames. I am not really sure if this is true or not to be honest but what better place than the Interweb to perpetuate rumours...
I heard that during his Junior carreer, Dion was so disliked by his team, they had all planned a trip to Kamloops (Or Kelowna...can't remember which one right now) as a sort of informal Team Building trip...and Dion was not invited.
Every report I have ever heard of him says that he is a cancer in the dressing room and only cares about number 1...or number 3 as it were.
A buddy of mine had a very sick little girl who spent alot of time at Ronald McDonald House in Calgary and the ONLY Flame that did not visit the House was...yup...you guessed it Phaneuf.
I am very surprised that he was chosen as a Captain of any team |
| n/a |
Posted - 11/08/2010 : 06:41:53
Not a lot of love for Phaneuf, it would seem, from Leaf fans themselves . . .
. . . but guys - to make comments that he has been making outrageous predictions and the such is pure crap. For clarification, please see Fourth Line Banger's post on the Leafs' new whipping boy.
The media creates almost all of this hyped up crap, and it is all to justify their job. It is a requirement to sell newspapers! You have to create hype, excitement, controversy . . . so they take comments out of contaxt, phrase it as if it wasn't an answer to a specific question, etc etc. I really find it sad that most people (not just sports fans) don't look past the soundbytes offered to them by the media.
Because going by the play on the ice . . . even despite Wilson bagging Phaneuf quite often . . . they are a much better team with him in the line-up.
Period.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
| The Duke |
Posted - 11/07/2010 : 07:17:26
Fans well over-pay at the ACC...look at what they pay out every season to watch a losing team, unbelievable if you asked me anything...biggest suckers in hockey.
If they want to boo, i can`t blame them. I Don`t think they even boo a particular player, i believe they are boo-ing the over-all ( just sick of losing scheme ) that has been in Toronto for a long, long time.
I personally can`t believe that Burke didn`t pursue Kovalchuk and solve a lot of the leafs scoring woes, while keeping the fans happy witha superstar to look at every night. |
| Pasty7 |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 21:20:23
You know who Phaneuf reminds me of! Brian Mccabe!!!! its uncanny!!
Pasty |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 18:41:30
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but since arriving Phaneuf has made confident/arrogant predictions in interviews with the media, he's been all over a few different advertising campaigns, both for the team and hockey related products
Phaneuf did all that in CAL. Again, this is nothing new, and just supports the argument that Phaneuf is pretty much the same player in TOR as he was in CAL. As you say, most Leaf fans probably didn't see much of him before he got to TOR, so the surprise is understandable.
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Did he ask for the C? Maybe not directly. But he sure did take it when it was offered, and embraced the role. That's a big deal considering Toronto fans haven't had a captain since Sundin left a couple years ago. You'd have to be stupid not to think that role comes with intense expectations. Has he lived up to the hype? Nope. You can blame the media and us ignorant fans all you want, but his mug was plastered all over this city all summer. Not Kessel, not Kaberle, not Versteeg, not Giguere, Phaneuf. The new captain, the sign that things were starting to turn around. There are plenty of semi-delusional band wagon fans in Toronto, I won't deny that. As stupid as I think those people are, you have to know that promissing them anything and failing to deliver will get you booed off the ice. Simple as that.
Although no one wanted to talk about it last year, there are reasons that Sutter was willing to give Phaneuf up, and this trade perhaps is not as lopsided as people thought.
Fact is, Phaneuf is Phaneuf, and you get what you get. The Leafs have tried to make him a leader and build a team and ideology around him, and so far it has not delivered. Perhaps Phaneuf just hasn't had time to grow into the role, or has been taken by surprise as to how hard it actually is. Or maybe he's just not that guy and Burke is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.
Time will tell I guess. |
| TheRC |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 16:16:08
He may not have had any say in coming to Toronto, but since arriving Phaneuf has made confident/arrogant predictions in interviews with the media, he's been all over a few different advertising campaigns, both for the team and hockey related products, and he was more than happy to accept the captain's C over the summer.
Did he ask for the C? Maybe not directly. But he sure did take it when it was offered, and embraced the role. That's a big deal considering Toronto fans haven't had a captain since Sundin left a couple years ago. You'd have to be stupid not to think that role comes with intense expectations. Has he lived up to the hype? Nope. You can blame the media and us ignorant fans all you want, but his mug was plastered all over this city all summer. Not Kessel, not Kaberle, not Versteeg, not Giguere, Phaneuf. The new captain, the sign that things were starting to turn around. There are plenty of semi-delusional band wagon fans in Toronto, I won't deny that. As stupid as I think those people are, you have to know that promissing them anything and failing to deliver will get you booed off the ice. Simple as that.
I guess at the heart of it we both agree he's underperforming, but we disagree where the expectations should be set. If you've watched him for years in Calgary you know his deal. Most Toronto fans hadn't seen much of him; if Calgary games were available, they were on late at night. All we saw were the huge numbers and highlight reel moments. When he was brought to Toronto Phaneuf was marketed as en elite defender by the media, but also by the team and, most importantly, by himself. You don't let them put you on a billboard out of modesty. Considering the hype versus the reailty, it's not unreasonable for fans to be dissapointed.
"If at first you don't succeed, you fail" |
| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 14:24:34
When did Phaneuf feed into the hype?? When he got his $6 million contract he was an elite scoring player on a team that (if I am not mistaken) won arguable the most competative division in hockey. It wasn't hype, it was production that got him the cash.
Furthermore, he did not ask to become a Maple Leaf, he was traded there. It's not like he was a UFA that signed a big deal and knowingly came to the team as the messiah and advertised himself as such.
As I said, he has done exactly what he has always done with the expection of goals. And face it, the Leafs team today does absolutely nothing to support any defensemen scoring goals. Who was the last Leaf defensemen to score 10 goals??
It honestly comes down to a select group of fans that jump on and off the bandwagon as they see fit. They will choose their martyr based on their own ignorant views and make nonsensical statement based on what the media tells them. |
| TheRC |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 13:43:38
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Originally posted by Beans15
It's typical where a small amount of fans make the majority look foolish. It's makes the life of a Leaf hater even easier but really it's unfair. Phaneuf is one player who is doing exactly what he has done through his entire career with the exception of one thing and that is scoring. He has not lit the lamp a bunch and I can see how a fan could be frustrated with that.
However, the truth of the matter is the Leafs lack of scoring depth has been brought to the forefront in the past 1/2 doz games. If Kessel is not scoring, the Leaf struggle mightily to win. Period.
Phaneuf does not deserve the boos any more or less than any other Leaf player.
Most reasonable Leaf fans knew the team was going to struggle to score goals, and knew that Phaneuf was spotty on the defensive end. Those who expected a Pronger-esque, Norris candidate were sucking wind. You're right to say that the only thing different about Phaneuf's game compared to his time in Calgary is that he hasn't been scoring, but I think you're wrong to just blow that off; for the amount of money he is paid, Phaneuf should offer more to the team than the odd monster hit and a good defensive showing every three games or so.
But even then, that's not the real reason he was booed. There are plenty of other players on the team who aren't playing to their potential, and most fans are willing to accept that players have cold-spells, or see that they are playing well and just don't get the bounces, or might take a while to click with new linemates etc. It's early in the season yet, Phaneuf might have just been in a slump, it happens. Why the boos then? Ego, that's why. The fans don't boo other underperforming players (yet) because they (usually) don't make elite money. Nobody else accepted the role of captain based on their willingness to shout at the other guys on the ice, despite never having produced anything as a member of the team. Nobody else said at the beginning of the year that they wouldn't accept anything other than playoffs.
If Phaneuf tries to play the role of an elite player, but puts up journeyman numbers and makes bad defensive plays, what more should he expect? People say the crowd at the Air Canada Centre is weak, and they are right. The fans haven't had a sniff of even modest success for years. Phaneuf promissed it, and it was probably unfortunate for him that the Leafs came out of the gate as strongly as they did. Starting the season so well got people's hopes up, and when reality started to hit, they blamed the guy who promissed this year would be different.
Leaf fans often (always?) have insane expectations, but this isn't a case of somebody failing to live up to unreasonable hype. Phaneuf embraced the hype, fed off it, fed into it, and now he's failing to live up to it. It's his own fault as much as it is the maniac fans.
"If at first you don't succeed, you fail" |
| Guest9729 |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 08:22:08
If you are a paying customer you have the right to display your displeasure. I personally would rather cheer and encourage and support. However if a boo is in order, so be it
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| Beans15 |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 17:09:36
It's typical where a small amount of fans make the majority look foolish. It's makes the life of a Leaf hater even easier but really it's unfair. Phaneuf is one player who is doing exactly what he has done through his entire career with the exception of one thing and that is scoring. He has not lit the lamp a bunch and I can see how a fan could be frustrated with that.
However, the truth of the matter is the Leafs lack of scoring depth has been brought to the forefront in the past 1/2 doz games. If Kessel is not scoring, the Leaf struggle mightily to win. Period.
Phaneuf does not deserve the boos any more or less than any other Leaf player. |
| Guest4178 |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 10:10:09
Very funny "Just in!" about boing Luongo.
Does anyone remember Don Luce, who played for the Sabres in the 70's? Same thing – when the fans were shouting out his name, it sounded like boos. |
| just1n |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 09:53:24
This made me realize Luongo can never be booed - he'll always think he's hearing Luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! |
| TheRC |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 09:20:02
Exactly. If you take the big money, proudly wear the 'C' to your sweater, and declare that this year is the year you lead the team to the playoffs, you better produce. I don't feel any sympathy for the guy, and probably would have been booing if I were at the game. I get a lot worse than booed if I don't produce at work, and I sure don't make $6.5 million a year, nor do I promise things I can't deliver because I am an egotistical d***.
What is the worst to happen when you boo a player? You hurt his ego? Usually that's a bad thing, but in this case, I'll take it. Maybe Phaneuf will stop trying to lay big hits and actually play his position.
Phaneuf needs to tighten up his game when he comes back, or the boos will continue. And I, for one, will be adding my voice to the chorus.
"If at first you don't succeed, you fail" |
| ToXXiK1 |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 09:09:49
When you come to the hockey mecca of Toronto, get paid the big dollar, and accept the "C" on your jersey, what can you expect? You want to hear better luck next time? go to Atlanta. When your team, the Leafs, have the stones to be the highest priced ticket in hockey, and have been hosed with medeocre teams for 42 yrs, ya, they're going to let you know what they think.
If your feelings are hurt Burkey, get over it, you know what you signed up for, as did Dion. |
| Guest4198 |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 05:02:50
6.5 million, 2 total goals as a leaf, none this year, ego-maniac, Calgary through a party when he left....no brainer....he is overpaid BUM !!! |
| Guest4013 |
Posted - 11/04/2010 : 15:44:06
Phaneuf shouldn't have been booed. It's not his fault that the Maple Leafs as a whole aren't the greatest team. Being from Calgary, I got to see Dion play for years and his play get worse season to season. When he left Calgary many Flames fans didn't care who the Flames acquired, they were just happy to see Dion and his constant lack of defensive playing on the way to Toronto. When he arrived the Leafs fans and media hyped him up to be "their saviour" and get the Leafs back in the playoofs and a serious contender for years and years. I'm sure if Dion ended up in Florida they would be happy to get him, but would not consider him their saviour. It is just what the Toronto media does.... look and the Kadri situation.
Compared to last year at this time the Leafs are doing awesome. This is not Dion's doing by himself, but the team as a whole, if you are going to boo anyone at least boo all the other players that deserve it as well. Now, Dion is out of the lineup, do you think all the Leafs fans will be booing when he get back? No! They will all be happy and say "thank god Dion's back, we have missed him so much". How's that for irony? |
| irvine |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 17:07:09
How come when I cut (or lacerate) my leg at work, I have to continue working? :( Why don't I get 2+ weeks off, with pay.
All kidding aside, I only said it because somebody said "he's a tough guy... and, when he gets back from a cut on his leg" in the same paragraph.
As for the booing, I don't personally like booing my own team or players. No matter the performance. You're supposed to support them threw the ups and downs.
Irvine/prez. |
| Guest9296 |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 17:04:27
Fans are always entitled to express their feelings in a non-offensive way. If people feel strongly against Phaneuf they should have the right to boo him. That said fans in Toronto are pretty quiet so it can be frustrating for anyone if people only express their displeasure. Personally I think people confuse the business of hockey with the sport. It shouldn't matter how much money a player makes for the fans. He's an offensive defenseman with the ability to throw some bone crushing checks. He is definitely pressing for points and taking some risks without getting the rewards, but that is the way he plays. It makes him exciting and he is definitely not invisible on the ice. One of the disappointing things about the defensive acquisitions by Burke is that they were brought in to fill certain roles and because they got a lot of money and there were leadership voids, they have been trying to do too much. If Phaneuf relaxes a bit, I am sure he will produce (when he recovers and gets back into game shape). Komisarek seems to have figured it out. |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 16:49:34
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Originally posted by nuxfan
... and similarly there is little pressure as a defensively-weak-but-offensively-skilled defenseman in Calgary when you have Bouwemeester/Regehr/Sarich/others manning your blueline along with you.
I don't think that Phaneuf has faced a challenge like he is getting in TOR - where he is expected to be the best DEFENSEman on the team, and to be one of the two best players on the team, and be the captain. Lots of new experiences there.
Little pressure? He was always expected to be the best defenseman on the ice. For his first three years he was awesome!
Calder candidate, All-rookie team, end of season all-star, norris finalist, all-star!
He was always expected to be amazing on the ice
He went from all-star to whipping boy in the blink of an eye.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
| sahis34 |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 16:11:22
well phaneuf is injured so this should be forgotten in a hurry
Go OILERS Go!!! |
| nuxfan |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 16:03:55
... and similarly there is little pressure as a defensively-weak-but-offensively-skilled defenseman in Calgary when you have Bouwemeester/Regehr/Sarich/others manning your blueline along with you.
I don't think that Phaneuf has faced a challenge like he is getting in TOR - where he is expected to be the best DEFENSEman on the team, and to be one of the two best players on the team, and be the captain. Lots of new experiences there. |
| bananas |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 15:24:51
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
Phaneuf has always responded to pressure generally well in his career (minus Calgary last season). In the WJC with Canada he responded well to it, and in parts with the Leafs this season he has put up solid/better games than those in which he stunk the game before.
Phaneuf's problem is that he hasn't matured as a player yet, and still makes junior mistakes (ex going for a huge hit). But at the beginning of this season Phaneuf played solid hockey. It was only when he started getting out of position he was terrible. But, even yesterday, when booed he stopped going for the hits that put him out of position.
I don't know how much pressure was on him in the WJC. That team was unbelievable. When you have Crosby, Getslaf, Weber, Carter....... on your team it takes the pressure off a little bit. |
| Awesome One |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 14:38:10
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Originally posted by leafsfan_101
Phaneuf has always responded to pressure generally well in his career (minus Calgary last season). In the WJC with Canada he responded well to it, and in parts with the Leafs this season he has put up solid/better games than those in which he stunk the game before.
Phaneuf's problem is that he hasn't matured as a player yet, and still makes junior mistakes (ex going for a huge hit). But at the beginning of this season Phaneuf played solid hockey. It was only when he started getting out of position he was terrible. But, even yesterday, when booed he stopped going for the hits that put him out of position.
I am a Flames fan, so take it from me...
HE IS AWFUL UNDER PRESSURE!!!!!!!
The guy is a choker who makes his fans angry .
I worshipped him for 3 years, and then I started questioning my allegance to Calgary.
He belongs in Toronto. Go Leafs... I mean Golfs!
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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