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PuckNuts
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Canada
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Posted - 10/16/2007 :  10:20:41  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I find it very difficult to comment on a player if you never saw him play. That does not mean that you cannot have an opinion, but a few clips of a player on "you tube" does no justice for the game of hockey. Have you ever seen a montage of player’s bad plays, I have not?

There are a lot of old games on the TV, and you will be able to see the entire game, so you can better form an opinion on the player, and the game.

One other way to see what players did in the past is to look at stats. But some stats are misleading, for example: when you played, the number of teams in the league, the size of goalie equipment, the type of sticks, etc.

When you take a player and compare him to his pears that played during his era you can then see the value of stats. Comparing stats from the 70’s to the 80’, and then the 90’s become skewed with variables.

Since Gretzky seems to be at the center of attention most of the time, I was trying to see, was he really that good, or was it the era he played in that allowed him to amass so many points. If the latter is true then many of the great players that played during his prime would be right behind him.

I have put a list of players together that had careers during the eighties. Any player of significance that played any time from 1977 to 1991, I totaled up ten years of stats for each of those players, here are the results.

Name            GP       G       A      Pts     P/G
Wayne Gretzky	774	637	1200	1837	2.37
Mario Lemieux	453	364	519	883	1.95
Mike Bossy	752	573	553	1126	1.50
Marcel Dionne	775	461	640	1101	1.42
Peter Stastny	749	385	674	1059	1.41
Jari Kurri	754	474	569	1043	1.38
Denis Savard	736	351	662	1013	1.38
Bryan Trottier	758	378	657	1035	1.37
Steve Yzerman	594	342	458	800	1.35
Guy Lafleur	516	275	416	691	1.34
Dale Hawerchuk	793	410	608	1018	1.28
Bernie Federko	758	299	643	942	1.24
Bernie Nicholls	705	364	504	868	1.23
Michel Goulet	756	440	460	900	1.19
Mark Messier	719	335	506	841	1.17
Dave Taylor	684	321	473	794	1.16
Ron Francis	728	266	566	832	1.14
Glenn Anderson	754	389	452	841	1.12
Joe Mullen	693	358	404	762	1.10
Rick Middleton	750	369	455	824	1.10


I think he was outstanding compared to the rest of the players in his era. I threw Lemieux's stats in up to 91 just for the heck of it...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan


Beans15
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Canada
8286 Posts

Posted - 10/16/2007 :  10:39:14  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I still stand by the fact that the stats are a symptom of how good Gretzky was. We've had the debate on countless occasions on his defense and overall play, but there is no possible way to argue his offensive abilities. He produced points. Bottom line. He did that by being one of the most unselfish players ever and taking advantage of mistakes the other team made. It's his skill that made him great, the numbers just back that up.

If you are under the age of 15, please do some research before you make a post about anything pre-1997.
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PuckNuts
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Canada
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Posted - 10/16/2007 :  11:20:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Quite amazing. The only player close to him in his era was Bossy with goals, Bossy had 64 less than Gretzky. He was ahead of the next best playmaker Stastny by 526 assists...

I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan


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