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sahis34
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 Posted - 06/06/2011 : 17:30:04
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Poll Question:
How bad was the Horton hit?
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Guest9231
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 17:58:47
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| Thats two five and a game misconduct penalities for interference in the last couple of months. Too tell you the truth I didn't even know such a penalty existed befor the Max P hit. |
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spade632
Rookie
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 18:59:04
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From the NHL Rulebook:
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56.4 Major Penalty - The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a major penalty, based on the degree of violence, to a player guilty of interfering with an opponent (see 56.5).
56.5 Game Misconduct Penalty – When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.
Seems as if Boston's found their game in the 2nd period. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 20:18:44
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| major + game warranted. Rome is bound to get a game suspension as well, also warranted. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 20:21:34
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Originally posted by nuxfan
major + game warranted. Rome is bound to get a game suspension as well, also warranted.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 20:59:46
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just as well it was Rome laying that hit out, and not Edler, Bieksa, or even Alberts. Rome plays about 12 minutes a game right now, and I'm more than happy to see Ballard sub in for him if he does get suspended.
Once Rome is back from suspension, I hope that AV thinks about dressing 7 dmen for games from here on in. The Canucks can't play a team like BOS with only 5 dmen for 50+ minutes, at this level. All the juggling was not good, and it showed starting in the second period. |
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leigh
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Posted - 06/06/2011 : 23:41:48
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Personally I thought it was a clean hit (refering to technique) and it wasn't a blind side hit as they don't get much more north/south than that (Horton should not have been admiring his pass) But I will admit that the hit was a micro-second late. So for that it was a fair call. As for suspension, he'll get a game because it is playoffs and I don;t think he's a repeat offender.
Nuxfan has it right, Rome is expendable for the Canucks so this should not be a devastating loss for the team. On the other hand if Horton is out for any time it is a pretty major loss for Boston (although the loss sure elevated them tonight)
At any rate, it looks like we finally have a series. |
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Guest2712
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 05:11:26
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wasn't blind side as the hit came from directly in front of him. though it was late, i'll give that. but how many times have we seen guys get punished for admiring a pass? a few years back this wouldn't have warranted a suspension. these days its a different story. can't lay out a good hard hit without having someone come down on you.
the hit was late, but it was clean. he caught Horton snoozing. a second or two earlier and it would have been the same result. |
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Oilearl
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 07:41:26
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Usually refs will call it a late hit if the puck is in possession of or touched by another player as a guide for interference. Horton took a full stride after his teammate received the pass so it was late but I thought Rome did well to keep elbows and his stick out of the hit. Could have been way worse than it was. In todays hockey it's a suspension he will get a game.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 08:22:06
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Horton is apparently out for the remainder of the playoffs with a concussion. Not too surprising given that he looked unconscious before he hit the ice, and the back of his head hit the ice hard.
Other than the lateness of the hit, I have no real problem with it. It was not blindside (despite Julien using the term "blindside" more than once in the post-game, no doubt trying to influence the hearing), he did not target the head nor get his elbows up. A very solid check that was unfortunately quite late, and caused a lot of damage to one of BOS's top scorers. |
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Guest7154
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 08:56:32
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Any Boston fans feels a bit like habs fan when Pacioretty got hit by Chara?
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99pickles
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 09:16:51
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Originally posted by leigh
Personally I thought it was a clean hit (refering to technique) and it wasn't a blind side hit as they don't get much more north/south than that (Horton should not have been admiring his pass) But I will admit that the hit was a micro-second late. So for that it was a fair call.
I couldn't agree more.
I thought that this was a clean open ice hit and Horton got caught admiring... |
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Guest6906
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 09:39:33
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That hit still bother you?
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Originally posted by Guest7154
Any Boston fans feels a bit like habs fan when Pacioretty got hit by Chara?
Payback is a b**ch
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 09:55:55
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Def was a little late and contact was made to the head so therefore def suspendable. I thought a game or two at most considering the importance of these games, so i'm a little shocked at the 4 games (rest of the season more or less) he was given.
As nuxfan pointed out though, the Canucks are lucky it wasn't one of their top 2 or 3, especially considering they're down Hamhuis already! They really need Edler to play the way he's capable of, not the way he played last night! He's been one of the best players on the ice on some nights, and one of the worst on others. There seems to be no "in between" with him! |
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Guest4312
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 11:55:43
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guest 7154 that was an awesome thing to say.... wish i had said it. As for the hit definitely late, definitely a suspension, ill let you guys argue over the amount of games but the fact that it was nathan horton (the best goal scorer on boston) and he won't play again should have some influence and thats why rome won't be playing this postseason imo.
much bigger loss for the bruins than canucks ill be surprised if they can score 8 goals in the next 4 games without horton |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 13:18:06
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much bigger loss for the bruins than canucks ill be surprised if they can score 8 goals in the next 4 games without horton
They scored 8 goals without him last night alone.
Horton is certainly a big loss for them, bigger than the loss of Rome for VAN, we'll see how it plays out. Last night was a good bounceback game for them, but can they do it 3 more times in the next 4 games without Horton? |
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Guest2742
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 13:49:12
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 16:53:23
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i'm gonna run through this real quick, and i know Shanahan is new so the standard may have changed but...
Rome on Horton what are the infractions?
- It was late
-Horton didn't have the puck anymore
-interference 5 min and a game misconduct
The result a 4 game suspension
Chara on Pacioretty
-The hit was much later
-Pacioretty didn't have the puck anymore
-interference 5 min and a game misconduct
the result no suspension,
lets just hope under Shanny's regin we get harsh calls like this consistently,
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 17:39:45
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Pasty....Shanny doesn't actually start dealing with suspensions till next season from what i understand. It was actually Mike Murphy who handed out this one. Either way, i know where you're coming from. I was just listening to Don Taylor on the Team 1040 and he said "i'm okay with the suspension, IF they're similar going forward". By "they're", he means the new people in charge. Unfortunately, it could be Murphy for one series then on to Shanny next season?
Basically, his reasoning was that it's a new regime dealing with these things and if that's the way it's gonna be, then fine. BUT, they really need to be stiff on these things going forward with ALL of them! Whether or not Shanny and his group follow suit is left to be seen.
The Canucks are upset with the ruling (of course) mostly because it's so inconsistent compared to hits in previous series they took part in. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 18:00:38
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Really i wasn't aware shanny hasn't taken over yet.... either way i'm sorry if i come of as a whinny habs fan but i mean this is pretty straight forward,
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 18:39:42
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I honestly tried to figure out which thread I should post my thoughts in. Turns out, it didn't matter. There is so freakin' much going on! Not since the Cup final of '06 has my wife woken up to ask me, "What happened in the game last night?", and I actually have a story to tell her that she is actually feigning interest in!
As one Toronto Sun idiot dubbed it, "Bitegate" has become an hilarious sideshow to this series.The Thomas hit on Sedin. The Rome hit on Horton. 19 seconds left. 11 seconds in. An 8-1 drubbing that makes Bruins fans and Nuck-haters wish that stroke play was adopted for the Final.
It has been a while, but I can honestly say that I NEED to watch the entirety of this series.
This is key. Entertainment value is up. It's all good. The NHL is competing with the NBA, summer BBQs, viral tornado videos, actual tornadoes, whatever Americans do in June(I'm thinking NASCAR and Coor's Lite), and internet porn. Keep it up boys. This one is looking like a classic.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2012. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/07/2011 : 21:19:53
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
I honestly tried to figure out which thread I should post my thoughts in. Turns out, it didn't matter. There is so freakin' much going on! Not since the Cup final of '06 has my wife woken up to ask me, "What happened in the game last night?", and I actually have a story to tell her that she is actually feigning interest in!
As one Toronto Sun idiot dubbed it, "Bitegate" has become an hilarious sideshow to this series.The Thomas hit on Sedin. The Rome hit on Horton. 19 seconds left. 11 seconds in. An 8-1 drubbing that makes Bruins fans and Nuck-haters wish that stroke play was adopted for the Final.
It has been a while, but I can honestly say that I NEED to watch the entirety of this series.
This is key. Entertainment value is up. It's all good. The NHL is competing with the NBA, summer BBQs, viral tornado videos, actual tornadoes, whatever Americans do in June(I'm thinking NASCAR and Coor's Lite), and internet porn. Keep it up boys. This one is looking like a classic.
The Oil WILL make the playoffs in 2012.
LOL, epic post!  Loved the " and I actually have a story to tell her that she is actually feigning interest in!" comment the best!
Pasty, no whining seen here my friend. I too was a little disgusted at the Pacioretty hit! Just brings us back to that entire "consistency" thing, or should i say lack there of! |
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 02:55:17
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I can't agree with you more Pasty. I don't think it is whining at all. Lets not forget that Murphy also mentioned the severity of the injury. Both Horton and Pacioretty recieved very severe injuries. Yet no suspension for Chara back when he pasted Pacioretty.
NHL discipline is a joke.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 04:28:27
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
I can't agree with you more Pasty. I don't think it is whining at all. Lets not forget that Murphy also mentioned the severity of the injury. Both Horton and Pacioretty recieved very severe injuries. Yet no suspension for Chara back when he pasted Pacioretty.
NHL discipline is a joke.
thanks guys,, i mean these two situations are identical except one happend along the boards,
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 07:30:45
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Awesome comment, Oilin Ontario, funny stuff.
On the hit on Horton that Rome will start serving an eppic 4 game suspension for:
Clean hit. Maybe a bit late, but not so much to warrant a suspension, maybe a two minute minor for interference.
It was a hockey play, at the blueline, on a guy going faster than the hitter right after he dished off the puck. The play is to hit the passer and hopefully take him out of the rush, so it's a solid, no questions asked hockey play, and he should be congratulated for standing up a forward with a good clean check on the blueline - it's what coaches yearn for, and it's not always an easy play.
He never leaves his feet, he doesn't take a run, and Rome plays the body and not the head.
So for my money, Rome does everything 100% right, with perhaps the hit coming a bit late after the pass (for argument's sake - I wouldn't have called it late myself, but it's close).
Unfortunately, Horton pulls a Lindros, and in a big, important game in the playoffs - the finals, of all things - he comes in over the opponent's blueline and decides to look sideways and not pay attention after making a pass. This is just foolish, on his part, and I certainly wish him no ill will, but that is just not smart. And unfortunately, he pays dearly for it, and ends up getting stood up properly, and he smacks his noggin against the ice very hard.
But why Rome gets any kind of suspension is beyond me. Brutal call by what looks like . . . . Mike Murphy, who made the statement on the suspension (where is Shanahan in this decision? Anyone know?). Absolutely horrid call to suspend Rome on a perfectly good hit on a player who was being reckless in his self-protection.
And if that gets a "soapbox" comment from Beans, he go wash out his mouth with you know what! 
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 08:42:24
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But why Rome gets any kind of suspension is beyond me
according to Bob McKenzie (and others) this is likely the beginning of "new discipline standards" for the NHL, and will be the norm going forward. I certainly question the logic of implementing a new standard - without telling anyone mind you - in game 3 of the Stanley Cup finals...but like I said before, I have no problem with the suspension if it is the NHL setting a new standard that will be applied from here on out. We'll see what happens - this is the second time this season that a "new way of doing things" has been first tested against a Canuck player...
Mackenzie also noted that the suspension might have been handed out in order to cool down the animosity that is growing in this series...I don't really get that - the referees had all kinds of opportunites to penalize both sides in game 3 when the game was clearly getting out of hand, but waited until it was too late to do so, and now they suspend a player so that BOS doesn't get all ruffled up. Yay NHL.
The other thing I heard - apparently Murphy consulted Brian Burke about the pending suspension? WTF? Rome must feel like one of the last 2 contestants on Survivor, when they bring back all the other voted-off-the-island people to vote on the final outcome. Why is Burke - a Boston native and ex-GM of the Canucks, so no conflict of interest issues there - being consulted about a disciplinary issue? |
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leigh
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 10:36:51
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
I honestly tried to figure out which thread I should post my thoughts in. Turns out, it didn't matter. There is so freakin' much going on! Not since the Cup final of '06 has my wife woken up to ask me, "What happened in the game last night?", and I actually have a story to tell her that she is actually feigning interest in!
As one Toronto Sun idiot dubbed it, "Bitegate" has become an hilarious sideshow to this series.The Thomas hit on Sedin. The Rome hit on Horton. 19 seconds left. 11 seconds in. An 8-1 drubbing that makes Bruins fans and Nuck-haters wish that stroke play was adopted for the Final.
It has been a while, but I can honestly say that I NEED to watch the entirety of this series.
This is key. Entertainment value is up. It's all good. The NHL is competing with the NBA, summer BBQs, viral tornado videos, actual tornadoes, whatever Americans do in June(I'm thinking NASCAR and Coor's Lite), and internet porn. Keep it up boys. This one is looking like a classic.
LOL! Priceless!! My vote for best post of the day (yesterday) |
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 11:11:14
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Originally posted by nuxfan
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But why Rome gets any kind of suspension is beyond me
according to Bob McKenzie (and others) this is likely the beginning of "new discipline standards" for the NHL, and will be the norm going forward. I certainly question the logic of implementing a new standard - without telling anyone mind you - in game 3 of the Stanley Cup finals...but like I said before, I have no problem with the suspension if it is the NHL setting a new standard that will be applied from here on out. We'll see what happens - this is the second time this season that a "new way of doing things" has been first tested against a Canuck player...
Mackenzie also noted that the suspension might have been handed out in order to cool down the animosity that is growing in this series...I don't really get that - the referees had all kinds of opportunites to penalize both sides in game 3 when the game was clearly getting out of hand, but waited until it was too late to do so, and now they suspend a player so that BOS doesn't get all ruffled up. Yay NHL.
The other thing I heard - apparently Murphy consulted Brian Burke about the pending suspension? WTF? Rome must feel like one of the last 2 contestants on Survivor, when they bring back all the other voted-off-the-island people to vote on the final outcome. Why is Burke - a Boston native and ex-GM of the Canucks, so no conflict of interest issues there - being consulted about a disciplinary issue?
Why would Burke, the current GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs, get consulted for a potential suspension on a Boston Bruins player? Sure he and his family live in Boston, and sure he used to be the GM of the Canucks and has many bad feelings towards that organisation now after an acrimonious split . . . but what's wrong with a totally biased opinion from another team's GM on disciplinary action?
It does beggar belief, doesn't it?
But I have to disagree on your acceptance of this "new standard". Because this new standard - if that's what it is, which I am sure it isn't, as there is never a set standard in the NHL for some reason - is terrible for hockey.
I want defencemen to be able to bodycheck forwards coming in over the blue line. Yeah, sure - penalise him if the hit is deemed to be too late after dishing off the puck, fine. But don't put him in fear of a suspension if the player he is hitting isn't paying attention . . . that is total bull crap.
I don't see how you, nuxfan, would want that either, really.
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nuxfan
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 13:34:25
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I don't see how you, nuxfan, would want that either, really.
Well, what I want is ultimately less headshots and dangerous plays that lead to injury in the NHL. I think that longer, more severe suspensions are the way to deal with them. You're right - in order to get to a new standard the NHL had to have a standard to begin with and they don't see to - but going from what we have now to what we ideally want will not be a straightforward path, and will have a lot of head-shaking decisions on the way. The Rome one is but the first I guess.
The hit was late, period - I don't think anyone can argue that. The only argument is that while that play might have been an in-game penalty only before, it does not seem to be the case now. If this is the new standard, then so be it - I guess we won't really know until the next suspension is handed/not handed out. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 14:37:43
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The saddest part of this entire thing is the fact that they've chosen to suspend on the resulting injury and not the act itself. If Horton had seen Rome at the last second, and he would have if he were looking where he should have been, he'd have not likely been concussed as he'd have been able to brace for the hit. He'd have gotten up, skated off, well, prob gone after Rome and thrust his fingers towards his mouth if Lucic wasn't already doing that, and there'd have been a 2 min penalty, nothing more! So, you're going from a 2 min penalty for interference, to a 5 min major, game misconduct, PLUS 4 more games in the Stanley Cup finals??? So crazy! Bertuzzi's lucky Murphy wasn't in charge a few years back or he might have been banned for life! Then again, some think he should have been! 
I too wish Horton a speedy and full recovery and feel bad he can't be a part of this from here on out but i do feel for Aaron Rome too. Who knows how many chances these guys will have going forward to be in the position they are with a cup championship so close to them? |
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foolpittier
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 14:54:16
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let's go shanny!!!
let's go shanny!!! |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 15:12:54
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Hey Slozo, you only get the soapbox comments when you are actually on your soapbox. You were not talking about any conspiracy on how the NHL is ruining everything on this planet so it's not really warrented.
As far as this hit, ya it was late. By definition of any rule regarding hitting (boarding, charging, etc) it is the responsibility of the hitter, not the hittee. Sure, Horton was admiring his pass, but he also had a chance to push 2 or 3 strides before Rome hit him. If Horton could push 2-3 strides in there, then Rome absoutely had time to avoid the hit. The puch was long gone.
Reasonable punishment for the rule breaking hit. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 15:42:00
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| Beans, in your opinion then, is 4 games in the SCF warranted? Just curious if that's what you're saying. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 16:06:00
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Originally posted by Alex116
Beans, in your opinion then, is 4 games in the SCF warranted? Just curious if that's what you're saying.
I totally think the 4 games was good. I would have been fine with more!!
Here is the rationale. No one is arguing that dangerous plays and needless injuries to players is happening more and more. That tell's me very clearly that what the NHL has tried to do in the past to stop these things simply do not work. If you want different results, you act differently. Soft suspensions don't work. Do something more. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 16:31:28
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Alex116
Beans, in your opinion then, is 4 games in the SCF warranted? Just curious if that's what you're saying.
I totally think the 4 games was good. I would have been fine with more!!
Here is the rationale. No one is arguing that dangerous plays and needless injuries to players is happening more and more. That tell's me very clearly that what the NHL has tried to do in the past to stop these things simply do not work. If you want different results, you act differently. Soft suspensions don't work. Do something more.
Couldn't agree more. Only, as i've stated (as have others) before, it's just an odd time to make the change and suddenly throw the book at a guy to set an example, especially by a guy who's been hired for this position for 4-7 games!
I would love to see Chara throw the EXACT same hit tonight on a Canuck, but have the Canuck player see it at the last second, get up, skate away and score on the 2 min power play he'd have earned, cuz you, i and everyone else knows that's all he'd get!  |
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 17:57:37
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| Well i like to see Burrows bite off Bergeron finger this time and spit it on the ice while the refs claim it was inconclusive cause you know that is what he'd get. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 20:29:55
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Alex116
Beans, in your opinion then, is 4 games in the SCF warranted? Just curious if that's what you're saying.
I totally think the 4 games was good. I would have been fine with more!!
Here is the rationale. No one is arguing that dangerous plays and needless injuries to players is happening more and more. That tell's me very clearly that what the NHL has tried to do in the past to stop these things simply do not work. If you want different results, you act differently. Soft suspensions don't work. Do something more.
Couldn't agree more. Only, as i've stated (as have others) before, it's just an odd time to make the change and suddenly throw the book at a guy to set an example, especially by a guy who's been hired for this position for 4-7 games!
I would love to see Chara throw the EXACT same hit tonight on a Canuck, but have the Canuck player see it at the last second, get up, skate away and score on the 2 min power play he'd have earned, cuz you, i and everyone else knows that's all he'd get!
Yes and no. Firstly, I think the Chara doesn't get anything comment is a little far fetched. However, since that can was opened let's talk about it. Was it not instituted, almost immediately after the Chara hit, that all NHL arenas have standard safety equipment at certain places around the boards??
That was an immediate action as well.
What I find even more telling is that every GM or member from the NHL that I watched in an interview today agreed with the call, the suspension, and the need for change.
And just so I am clear on your opinion Alex, you agree that something has to happen but you have an issue with the timing??? If that is the case, what timing would be better??? |
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 21:46:19
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Anyone watch Don Cerry tonight, he has been telling the NHL to get rid of all the hard plastic equipment for years, that is how you get rid of most injuries but not all. Shawn Thornton and Mark Recchi still wear shoulder pads that have no plastic and are just soft padding. If they still make it the players should wear it and the game would be better.......as Thornton said that when he hits hard, he also feels it in the shoulder, makes him think about running someone and missing.
As for the hit, in this NHL its a penalty, caused an injury so its 5 and a game, think they give 4 game suspension to try and calm things down, but 8-1 and 4-0 games will bring back the rough stuff. See Burrows slashing the stick out of Thomas' hands with 2 minutes left was smart, got him a slash on the ankle and some love from Boston's D, wonder how Kesler's gonna like being punched in the face by Chara, I figure Chara owes him one, but I bet the refs won't have to be in the way.......... lol, can't wait til Friday when the Bruins crush Van city and then clean up on Monday whooo
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 00:17:08
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by Alex116
Beans, in your opinion then, is 4 games in the SCF warranted? Just curious if that's what you're saying.
I totally think the 4 games was good. I would have been fine with more!!
Here is the rationale. No one is arguing that dangerous plays and needless injuries to players is happening more and more. That tell's me very clearly that what the NHL has tried to do in the past to stop these things simply do not work. If you want different results, you act differently. Soft suspensions don't work. Do something more.
Couldn't agree more. Only, as i've stated (as have others) before, it's just an odd time to make the change and suddenly throw the book at a guy to set an example, especially by a guy who's been hired for this position for 4-7 games!
I would love to see Chara throw the EXACT same hit tonight on a Canuck, but have the Canuck player see it at the last second, get up, skate away and score on the 2 min power play he'd have earned, cuz you, i and everyone else knows that's all he'd get!
Yes and no. Firstly, I think the Chara doesn't get anything comment is a little far fetched. However, since that can was opened let's talk about it. Was it not instituted, almost immediately after the Chara hit, that all NHL arenas have standard safety equipment at certain places around the boards??
That was an immediate action as well.
Beans, no offense, but this reply seems to answer my question ffrom another thread, that being the one about whether or not you even fully read what i type. Unless i'm mistaken, you're regurgitating the Chara / Pacioretty hit while i was implying Chara would get nothing if he threw the same hit as Rome, but have the Canuck player see it, etc, etc..... I don't know what changing parts of arena's has to do with what i was talking about?
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What I find even more telling is that every GM or member from the NHL that I watched in an interview today agreed with the call, the suspension, and the need for change.
Really? Not sure what you were listening to then. I listened to a ton of radio today and all i heard was 99% of people saying it was too harsh. FYI, this wasn't just the local guys here but other guys from around the NHL, TSN, etc. Keith Jones, Bob McKenzie, etc. Sure, they all agreed that there's a need for change, but more importantly, they all agreed 4 games was A LOT more than they expected. The consensus was 1 game, and maybe 2. If you really think 4 games is fair, taking into consideration past precedents, etc, then clearly your "whale/orca hunting glasses" are very fogged up.
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And just so I am clear on your opinion Alex, you agree that something has to happen but you have an issue with the timing??? If that is the case, what timing would be better???
I completely agree that something has to happen, but i'm shocked you're even asking this. WHEN? That implies that you feel it's okay to institute new rules, changes, etc DURING the Stanley Cup Finals??? Seriously? You don't find that a little strange? As an Oiler fan, think back to the rule change they made where coincidental minor penalties no longer resulted in 4 on 4's. Remember that? Didn't they refer to that as the Oilers rule or something like that? How do you think the Oilers, or you or any other Oiler fan, would feel if that change happened DURING the Stanley Cup Finals? Think about it!
What timing would be better? Wow, tough question......maybe the start of next year? Damn, am i really answering this? 
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Hey Slozo, you only get the soapbox comments when you are actually on your soapbox. You were not talking about any conspiracy on how the NHL is ruining everything on this planet so it's not really warrented.
As far as this hit, ya it was late. By definition of any rule regarding hitting (boarding, charging, etc) it is the responsibility of the hitter, not the hittee. Sure, Horton was admiring his pass, but he also had a chance to push 2 or 3 strides before Rome hit him. If Horton could push 2-3 strides in there, then Rome absoutely had time to avoid the hit. The puch was long gone.
Reasonable punishment for the rule breaking hit.
I dare you to find any statement by me, Beans, that even slightly resembles the claim you make against me. We all know that you only put the word conspiracy in there as a crutch to try and have anyone reading disregard any comment made by me.
Tell me Beans, how late was the hit to make it 4 games in the stanley cup playoffs, the finals, in fact?
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 04:46:05
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Hey Slozo, you only get the soapbox comments when you are actually on your soapbox. You were not talking about any conspiracy on how the NHL is ruining everything on this planet so it's not really warrented.
As far as this hit, ya it was late. By definition of any rule regarding hitting (boarding, charging, etc) it is the responsibility of the hitter, not the hittee. Sure, Horton was admiring his pass, but he also had a chance to push 2 or 3 strides before Rome hit him. If Horton could push 2-3 strides in there, then Rome absoutely had time to avoid the hit. The puch was long gone.
Reasonable punishment for the rule breaking hit.
I dare you to find any statement by me, Beans, that even slightly resembles the claim you make against me. We all know that you only put the word conspiracy in there as a crutch to try and have anyone reading disregard any comment made by me.
Tell me Beans, how late was the hit to make it 4 games in the stanley cup playoffs, the finals, in fact?
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
its funny to read beans opinion on this espcially when he writes quite differenintly about suspensions and late hits in the pacioretty chara hit thread. In fact its kinda weird how different his opinion gets a mere 3 months, go have a read,,
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