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Guest4418
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 Posted - 04/03/2010 : 00:45:59
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You be the gm of your favourite team and tell me what moves would you make in the off-season.
I would take on the role of Brian Burke and sign ufa's Metropolit, Belanger, S. Thornton, and Ryan Johnson
Cap = 57.75 M
L1: Kulemin(2)-Bozak(3.725)-Kessel(6)
L2: Stalberg(0.85)-Grabovski(2.85)-Metropolit*(1.5)
L3: Sjostrom(0.75)-Belanger*(2)-Thornton*(1)
L4: Mitchell(1)-Johnson*(1.5)-Orr(1)
D1: Beauchemin(3.55)-Phaneuf(7)
D2: Kaberle(4.25)-Schenn(2.975)
D3: Gunnarsson(0.8)-Komisarek(6)
G: Giguere(7)-Gustavsson(2)
*UFA signings
MOD Edit: Please take the time to type your words out in proper english. Save the texting lingo for your phones.
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Guest9668
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 10:20:03
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| I'd probably start by jumping in the hot tub time machine and not trading a lottery pick (potentially 2) for Phil Kessel. Draft Hall/Seguin and go from there. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 15:09:29
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Originally posted by Guest9668
I'd probably start by jumping in the hot tub time machine and not trading a lottery pick (potentially 2) for Phil Kessel. Draft Hall/Seguin and go from there.
 Too funny!
In all seriousness, i'll have to give this some thought but i'm pretty happy with what our gm has done in the time he's been here. I'd say i couldn't really make too much of a comment till we see how far we go in the playoffs! |
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Guest9951
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 15:51:49
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| Even with your signings the leafs are still gonna be crying when boston gets first or second pick next year xD |
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irvine
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 20:14:34
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As GM of the Sens...
First off, i'd re-sign Anton Volchenkov...
Secondly, i'd be trying to find a home for Pascal Leclaire and Jonathon Cheechoo via trades. (for whatever the market is going for at the time.) Anything is better than nothing for them.
With the cap room available, i'd be trying to sign a goal scorer from the UFA market. Someone to play with Spezza.
I'd have more, but I don't have the time right now to search cap space and re-signings yet.
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Iceman778
Top Prospect
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Posted - 04/04/2010 : 09:29:37
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grandfarfadet
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 03:02:58
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Ok. For Montreal, I would try to solve problems one at a time, starting with defense.
Mara will be gone after July 1st, which leaves space to get Subban up in the big league and I re-sign Bergeron for 2 years. He's horrible in his own end but he has the one thing I want for my PP unit: a rocket slapshot. I also send Spacek in the minors before October 1st, to avoid the waiver claim for sending him, altough I know I might need to recall him and possibly lose him. IMHO, it wouldn't be that bad because I can't stand his play. I don't like the decisions he take on the ice. I would also try to sign Mathieu Carle and find him a new home and extend Yannick Weber for 2 years. During the season, I try to extend Markov and Gorges.
Knowing this, I have:
Markov (5.750) -O'byrne (.942)
Hamrlik (5.5) -Subban (.875)
Gorges (1.1) -Gill (2.25)
Bergeron (1 million/season for 2 years-deal, based on his possible market value and contracts in the past*)
Defense cost: 17.47
Goalies are a hot topic, so here's what I would try to do. Sign Halak for 2 years (he'll probably ask something like 4.5 million/season). Sign Price for 3 years (something like a 2-2-3 deal), and I stick with it for 2010-11.
Halak (4.5*) - Price (2.333*)
Goalie cost: 6.833
Now, for offense. I trade Laraque during the draft if possible. A 4th round pick, or even a 5th would do. I re-sign Plekanec long-term (5-6 years), Pouliot for 3 years, Sergei K, Dominic Moore and Maxim Lapierre for 2 years and Metropolit and Darche for 1 year. I extend the contratcs of Max Pacioretty, Ben Maxwell and Ryan White.
A. Kostsitin (3.25) - Plekanec (5*) - Cammalleri (6)
Pouliot (1.6*) - Gomez (7.357) - Gionta (5)
S. Kostsitin (.75*) - Moore (1.2*) - Lapierre (.75*)
Moen (1.5) - Metropolit (1.3*) - Darche (.6*)
Offense cost: 34.307
I would consider Ryan White, Brock Trotter and Ben Maxwell as potential call-ups to replace in case of injury.
Total cost: 58.61
I could also keep Spacek and trade Hamrlik and Laraque. I'd try to get a 2nd rounder or a forward who likes to go in front of the net, like Mike Knuble, for exemple. In that case, I don't re-sign Metropolit (or maybe Darche, since we have a bald-and-cool player every year in Montreal...) and Pouliot and Lapierrre each goes down one line.
Numbers with a * are fictive numbers, because those player's contracts end this summer, so I did put a realistic number. Not much change, but at least I keep my yound players in the organisation and I prepare the future with Subban, Pouliot and my 2 goalies.
John Kordic is the living proof that drugs can kill! -Traduction of a famous Jean Perron sentence |
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 09:58:09
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Here's the problem for Montreal, Grandfarfadet:
Halak holds out for way more cash as a full-on starter (in the 5 mil range), Montreal holds firm with their offer, and Halak heads off to another team in the near future.
No way does Halak ask for less than 5 mil, his agent is not a retard. And, I would totally understand him wanting to be a starter, he certainly has the skills and the numbers for it.
Toronto would take him! 
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 10:44:17
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At the risk of starting another hair splitting argument, the RFA status of Halak will keep him from getting the largest cheddar.
The kicker with RFA's is the compensation structure and arbitration. Basically any offer sheet accepted and not matched by the home club more than $3.9 million is worth a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick. Anything more than $5.2 million is 2-1st's, a 2nd, and a 3rd.
Because of the value of high draft picks and the ability to have players at that $800k entry level contract for 3 season, draft picks are often more valuable than roster players.
I don't think a single team in the NHL would give up that number of draft picks for Halak. So that means either sign for an offer given by Montreal or go to arbitration. As there will only be 12 goalies in the NHL making $5 million or more next season (Luongo, Kipprusoff, Lundqvist, Miller, Backstrom, Giguere, Vokoun, Thomas, Huet, Fleury, Broduer, and Ward) it will be hard to suggest an arbitrator will give a $5 million salary to a player at 24 years of age as an RFA with only about 100 NHL games of experience.
I would put Halak's salary in with the likes of Craig Anderson, Ilya Bryzgalov, Jonas Hillar, Pikka Rinne.
I would say $4 million or maybe a $8.5ish million, 2 year deal. I don't see him coming close a $5 million average. |
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 11:06:40
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Fair point Beans about the RFA thing, so yes, he would get less than 5.2 mil.
But not a lot less.
What is forgotten in your equation Beans is that the goalies you mention (Hiller is the closest comparison, in my mind, as he only took over as a starter this year), none of them have gone on the open market - which elevates the price.
Keeping your points in mind, I'd say he asks for nothing less than 4.5 and the starter's job.
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 11:25:03
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| Indeed, I forgot about Halak's stellar play in the Olympics. You're right when you say he'll ask for more than just 3 million/year. Probably 4,5 just like Hiller is more accurate. I'll go edit my post right now taking this in consideration. Surely Halak will end up in arbitration, just like Plekanec last year. |
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grandfarfadet
Top Prospect
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 11:28:33
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Dang, it was me who forgot to log in, but anyway, I'd like to see you Slozo do the exercise with Toronto, or Beans with Edmonton, altough I think it has been done on another topic.
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drew
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 12:05:56
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If I'm the Oilers GM here's what I would do.
1. First of all trade away Souray, Nilsson, and O'Sullivan to a team(s) that need(s) scoring depth for second round and late round picks. (defensemen - Mark Pysyk and Mark Alt).
2. Next thing is to get rid of Moreau either by trade for a very late round pick or by buying him out.
3. Draft Taylor Hall as the Oilers need a scoring threat off the wing (Horcoff would be a great 2-way game mentor as his centreman.)
4. I would then re-sign Potulny, Stone, Brule, Pouliot, Gagne and Reddox to multi-year deals and Strudwick to a 2-yr deal (with the cash freed up from Souray and Nilsson)
5. Re-sign Deslauriers to a 5yr deal at about 3 million per, making Khabibulin expendable at the 2011 trade deadline (as the Oilers will still miss the playoffs)
6. The last thing I would do, would be to not sign Pisani and use the left over cap space to sign Colby Armstrong to a 5yr deal at about 3 million per.
L1: Penner - Gagne - Hemsky
L2: Hall - Horcoff - Eberle
L3: Brule - Potulny - Armstrong
L4: Stone - Pouliot - Svensson or Reddox (depending on training camp)
D1: Gilbert - Whitney
D2: Smid - Chorney
D3: Plante - Strudwick
G1: Khabibulin
G2: Deslauriers
This team would be similar to the Blackhawks from a few years ago and with the Quinn behind the bench it should turn out the same. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 12:46:45
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Re-sign Deslauriers to a 5yr deal at about 3 million per, making Khabibulin expendable at the 2011 trade deadline (as the Oilers will still miss the playoffs)
Interesting - is Deslauriers really that good? I admit I haven't seen much of his play, but I did think that he was only getting the time he is because of Khabibulin being injured. To pay him that much money, you're paying him to be more than a reliable backup, while that kind of salary and term is "tandem goalie waiting in the wings to take over the starting job".
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Guest8605
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 13:38:32
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| If I was Steve Tambellini I would spend the entire summer trying to convince Horcoff that hockey is not very much fun, its dangerous and that he should take all the money he's made, move to Thailand and retire. Never think about hockey again. |
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drew
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 15:03:01
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Deslauriers has stepped up and is the only reason why the Oilers have ketp any games close. My guess is that Deslauriers gets at least half of the starts and maybe more depending on Khabibulins health. I think he has earned a huge raise, but Tambellini could even get away with 2.25-2.5 million.
Maybe Horcoff's best offensive year is behind him, but his most important years are still to come. As the Oiler's best face-off man, penalty killer, shutdown centre, and next captain he will be a mainstay until he retires. I still believe he is under-rated although he is grossly overpaid. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 16:29:53
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Originally posted by drew
Deslauriers has stepped up and is the only reason why the Oilers have ketp any games close. My guess is that Deslauriers gets at least half of the starts and maybe more depending on Khabibulins health. I think he has earned a huge raise, but Tambellini could even get away with 2.25-2.5 million.
Maybe Horcoff's best offensive year is behind him, but his most important years are still to come. As the Oiler's best face-off man, penalty killer, shutdown centre, and next captain he will be a mainstay until he retires. I still believe he is under-rated although he is grossly overpaid.
Wow, I think we might be watching different teams play.
Deslauriers has been below average at best, getting starts only because the real number is hurt and the #3 took some time to find his sealegs. Since the Olympic Break, Dubnyk has been significantly better than Deslauriers. He lets in a ton of soft goals and only shows flashes of anything resembling a starting NHL goalie. Also, he's a serious head case and has shown on various occasions to not be able to hand the competition and fly off the handle if the opposition spends what he thinks is too much time in his face.
If Deslauriers gets anywhere near $2.5 million a season I will have lost all faith in Tambellini. He is the back up at best and the Oilers will resign him. But it will be for about $3 million over 2 years and if he does not seriously up his game, he will be out the door on waivers.
If Shawn Horcoff becomes the Oilers next captain, it will be a decade before Edmonton even sniffs the Cup. He is so streaky in his effort, it's sick. He gets this over inflated 'great PKer, great faceoff guy' persona that is really a nice way to say the guy is an average to slightly above average player.
I would suggest that the vast majority of GM's in the NHL would suggest that Horcoff is over rated, not under rated. |
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Guest4418
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 17:18:40
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 17:32:29
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He gets this over inflated 'great PKer, great faceoff guy' persona that is really a nice way to say the guy is an average to slightly above average player.
Hey Beans, I never said Horcoff was a great pk'er or face off guy, just that he is the best on the team. If Deslauriers had a half decent team in front of him his numbers would be just the same.
If you look at what the Oilers can afford for a starting goalie taking into effect Khabibulins age and health, Deslauriers will be the next starter for the Oilers following the end of next season.
With Dubnyk lost in the mix you can consider him good a s gone after next year as Olivier Roy is the goalie of the future for the Oil.
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drew
Top Prospect
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Posted - 04/05/2010 : 17:35:14
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sorry Beans, my comp logged me out just before that last post.
And by the same, i meant half decent. |
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grandfarfadet
Top Prospect
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Posted - 04/06/2010 : 04:24:08
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i am surprised none of the GMs have signed kovalchuk yet.
Maybe Kovalchuk would be too expansive...
But for the Deslauriers case, I live in Quebec and don't see much Oilers games, but when I see a recap of a match that Deslauriers was in, all I see is bad goals that should have been stopped. Oilers won last night and it was Dubnyk between the pipes. It would probably be better to get Dubnyk with the Oilers next year to second Khabibulin, while Deslauriers works on his reflexes in the AHL. Deslauriers could see more action down there while Dubnyk would still have his share of games in the NHL, facing better and faster shots, all under the supervision of Khabibulin who could act as a mentor. He could do this for a couple of years too, since he is signed until July 1st 2013.
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Posted - 04/06/2010 : 12:12:13
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| As gm of the toronto maple leafs I would trade orr and get someone like mike weber from the minor league or even a 5th round draft pick. |
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Posted - 04/06/2010 : 19:38:35
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| trade orr ?? have you considered the fact that flyers players haven`t kicked toronto players a$$es this year because of orr ?? These young players would have their tails between their legs this season if not for orr, like they did last year.....remember jason blakes face ?? with M. (p****) Stagen stood up next to him looking at the right hook to his jaw...be careful what you wish for.... your wish may turn the leafs into punching bags again my friend. |
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Hugh G. Rection
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Posted - 04/06/2010 : 21:04:16
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Lol'd at Guest 9668's response. How many leaf fans would also jump in the hot tub I wonder? If there's one GM i'd rather not be its Burke.
Back on track.
MTL- lock up Halak to reasonable money for a 2-3 year deal tops. Reason: Entering his prime, but still unproven so he's probably undervalued. Take advantage of this and try to get him in the 3.5-4 mill zone. He'll ask for 5 but let's be honest, that ain't happening. Also, if another team wants to give us a million draft picks and send him an offer sheet, we'll go with price and take the nice package.
Price- probably undervalued as well, considering a shaky couple of seasons. Try to also lock him up for cheap. If we can somehow get both signed for 6-7 its worth it. Obviously with the intention of moving one of them once the other establishes eternal dominance.
Plekanec- pay the man his money. Sick season, team MVP. 4-5 mill, aim for the four-five year range to capture the rest of his prime.
Also somehow manage to trade Gomez, Lapierre and the Kostistyn's for Crosby and Ovechkin.
Bam stanley cup.
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Posted - 04/06/2010 : 21:08:33
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The Oilers are rebuilding. They need to get the young goalies NHL experience now. The drunk Russian isn't going to get them anywhere (except maybe another one of those just-missed-the-playoffs years. Whoop dee doo).
As for next captain, who else could it be other than Horcoff? Most people have Moreau moving either in the off season or sometime during the year, so a new captain will likely need to be named next year. I wouldn't be surprised if Souray is gone next year too, Staios is already out the door, Hemsky doesn't seem like a captain kinda guy, and unless you are suggesting Pisani (come on), that leaves the youngsters. I wouldn't consider any of them ready to captain the team at this point. That makes Horcoff captain by default, and we all know that Horcoff isn't going anywhere anytime soon thanks to Lowe's meth-induced contract.
So, unless I'm missing something, I guess the Oilers aren't getting a sniff at the cup for at least ten years... |
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irvine
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Posted - 04/06/2010 : 22:44:35
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Okay, so.. taking a look at the numbers the Sens have $49.571 tied up in cap for 2010/2011.
First off, I have a couple of guys I want to re-sign...
1) Re-sign Anton Volchenkov - I try for a 3 year, $4mil per deal.
Anton Volchenkov is the Sens top defensive d-man, along side Phillips. He does not produce much offensively, but his shot blocking and penalty killing abilities back up for it. Well worth a re-sign.
2) Re-sign Nick Foligno - I try for 3 years, $1.000 - $1.100 Mil per.
Foligno is a solid third line player. He can also step up to the second line if need be, due to injuries. He adds depth, plays the defensive game well, and can contribute some offense. Well worth $1Mil per.
3) Re-sign Peter Regin - I try for 4 years, $875K per year.
Regin is a young player, who is developing fairly well. He has offensive upside, and can be a good call-up to fill offensive holes throughout the year. At $875K, he helps keep the cap down.
4) Re-sign Chris Campoli - 2 Years, $875K per year.
Campoli isn't the greatest d-man going. But, he can fill the role needed. He adds some offensive upside, and a fair defensive game. At $875K, it makes him valuable. You get some experience, cheap.
5) Re-sign Mike Brodeur - 4 years, $875K per.
Mike Brodeur played well when called upon briefly this season. He is a developing netminder, who can step up and play as the backup well enough, if an injury occurs for the Sens. Worth a re-sign.
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With my re-signs done, if all went well. Hard to say if the prices would match up, and if the UFA's would re-sign. But, let's pretend they did! :P
Now, it's time to see what I can get for Jonathon Cheechoo. Being a former 50 goal scorer, though unlikely to ever come near that again, a team should be interested. The question is, what is his worth?
Since, I don't want him and have already sent him down to the minors, I take whatever I can get. Even if that is a 4th round pick.
I also check the market value for goaltender Pascal Leclaire. Despite injuries this year, Leclaire has the potential to be a legit #1 on some NHL teams. So, I look at trading him and making Elliott my #1 goaltender.
During the off-season, I also look at acquiring a goalscorer to play with Jason Spezza. A 30 goalscorer, playing with Spezza, may become even more valuable to the team.
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Hugh G. Rection
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Posted - 04/06/2010 : 23:00:22
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Unfortunately, Cheechoo isn't even worth a bag of pucks anymore. Useless to hypothesize what you could 'get', better just wait till his contract expires (he only has 1 year left I think?). I honestly don't know what happened to the guy, but I've watched quite a few sens home games this season and it looks like he can barely keep up to the speed of the game. To think he scored 56 goals not too long ago.
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Posted - 04/07/2010 : 05:33:00
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Cheechoo has been in the minors since January or Feb, no? Would any team spend even a 4th rounder on him? Maybe, but not any more than that.
I was halfway through a Leafs version and my computer had some auto shut-down for some issue and I spent quite some time swearing at the machine . . . will have to start all over again today - but it's coming. 
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/07/2010 : 05:56:05
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The Oilers are rebuilding. They need to get the young goalies NHL experience now. The drunk Russian isn't going to get them anywhere (except maybe another one of those just-missed-the-playoffs years. Whoop dee doo).
As for next captain, who else could it be other than Horcoff? Most people have Moreau moving either in the off season or sometime during the year, so a new captain will likely need to be named next year. I wouldn't be surprised if Souray is gone next year too, Staios is already out the door, Hemsky doesn't seem like a captain kinda guy, and unless you are suggesting Pisani (come on), that leaves the youngsters. I wouldn't consider any of them ready to captain the team at this point. That makes Horcoff captain by default, and we all know that Horcoff isn't going anywhere anytime soon thanks to Lowe's meth-induced contract.
So, unless I'm missing something, I guess the Oilers aren't getting a sniff at the cup for at least ten years...
There is absolutely no doubt that as long as he is avaibale, Khabibulin will be the #1 goalie next season. They have to pay him for another 3 season and as long as his back surgery went well, he is a legitimate #1 goalie.
One has to remember that hockey is also a business of selling the one ice product. Fans will not come to watch a glorified AHL/WHL team for long. Edmonton fans are among the most fickle in the NHL and people have noticed the games not selling out for some time now.
To the captain point, you may be right. It might be Horcoff but I am hopeful it's not. I don't dislike him as a player, but he is only a great player when the team is doing well. When they are doing poorly, he plays like a jerk who simply does not care. If he was not a huge salary and on other teams in the NHL, he would be press box fodder at different times of the year.
I would take a rotating captain system a la Minnesota until the team finds an identity in the next season or two. |
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Iceman778
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Posted - 04/08/2010 : 01:40:51
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tbar
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Posted - 04/08/2010 : 09:41:36
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Just a quick question......What makes a good captain?
IMO a player who plays hard on almost any givin night, is liked by the players and coaches, and a player who will help the young guys who are coming into the leauge.
I dont know Horcoff and have never been a part of the Edmonton Oilers but if he is good at these things why not put the "C" on him?
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/08/2010 : 10:26:40
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Just a quick question......What makes a good captain?
IMO a player who plays hard on almost any givin night, is liked by the players and coaches, and a player who will help the young guys who are coming into the leauge.
I dont know Horcoff and have never been a part of the Edmonton Oilers but if he is good at these things why not put the "C" on him?
Simply, because Horcoff does not play hard every night. He plays hard when it benefits him and/or when the team is playing overall well. In other times, he has completely disappeared on the ice and does nothing to help his team win.
Horcoff would be one of my last choices as a leader. I would take Hemsky, or even a Cogliano type of players before Horcoff.
Ultimately, I don't see the Oilers really with anyone that is Captain material(if Moreau leaves).
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drew
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 11:11:52
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The only other option for the Oilers is Whitney. He's come in and already changed the mood in the room. Look at what his presence has done to Gilbert.
Whitney has lots of emotion, grit, and definitely enough skill to be the next Captain, but I definitely see Horc as the next Captain. |
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impropriety
Top Prospect
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 11:36:22
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I definitely agree when it comes to Whitney. I think he'd be a great captain. The only problem is that sense of entitlement that Beans and I were talking about yesterday. If you were an employee at a company who hired someone new, how would you feel if they were promoted ahead of you? It may be an irrational objection, but people tend to feel like their tenure affords them some sort of privelige.
For my money, the best decision the team can make is to move Moreau and remain captain-less until someone's prepared to step up, or until Whitney's established himself a little bit. It's not unheard-of to deliberately not name a captain, and I think it sends the right message that they're transitioning and they want to do things right.
I agree that Khabibulin is definitely going to be the go-to guy in Edmonton for the remainder of his contract (as far as his health or legal situation will allow). I can see Dubnyk being sent down next year, with Deslauriers staying as backup. Dubnyk may be picked up on waivers, but he definitely hasn't done enough to warrant it, imo. I definitely wouldn't give Deslauriers 3MM/yr to play back-up. I think the 1.75-2.5MM/yr territory is a little bit more reasonable. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 13:45:02
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Originally posted by impropriety
I definitely agree when it comes to Whitney. I think he'd be a great captain. The only problem is that sense of entitlement that Beans and I were talking about yesterday. If you were an employee at a company who hired someone new, how would you feel if they were promoted ahead of you? It may be an irrational objection, but people tend to feel like their tenure affords them some sort of privelige.
This is the exact reason why the Oilers should either not pick a Captain or go with a Whitney or some other new guys coming in. The sense of entitlement only goes away when it is forcefully removed. So what if Horcoff gets his panties in a bunch if someone else gets the C over him. Maybe if he performed anywhere near his abilities and could show that he cared then it would be his.
I know I could care less if someone has tenure and doesn't get something. Things are worked for and earned, not given based on seniority. |
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impropriety
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 13:53:15
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@ Beans
Do you give the C to Whitney, then? What about Sam Gagner? He works hard, people seem to like him, and he's not a rookie anymore. He's pegged to stay with the organization long-term, and he's expressed an interest in mentoring the up-and-comers. He's definitely one of the bright spots on the Oilers, so there's no danger of pinning the C on a 3rd or 4th-line plug like Moreau. That's what I'm getting at. Sam's got a bit of a sense of entitlement, but if you want to talk about earning the C he's right up there in the running. |
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HawkinOilCountry
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 15:25:15
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The Oil should not have a Captain until they have a young guy with lots of heart step up and claim it. Look what's it's done in Chicago?
Not that I'm saying anyone the Oil have lined up will be as good on the ice as Toews... but who knows.
The arena wall in chicago should be credited with a goal. |
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Guest4728
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Posted - 04/13/2010 : 18:09:05
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| As the Oilers GM, I see if Boston is willing to swap their first rounder from toronto for the oilers. Letting Boston take Hall, leaving Seguin and whatever else Boston gave the Oilers for pickings. |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/20/2010 : 15:22:28
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For the Sharks I would
Re-sign Joe Pavelski - 5 years $3.5 million
Pavelski is a top 7 forward who can do good at almost everything kill penalties,powerplay,even strength
Trade Vlasic,Huskins,Nabokov for Nicklas Backstrom
Vlasic Huskins and Nabokov would help out Washingtons defense and goaltending. Backstrom would give the Sharks that young talent they need
Sign Giguere or Halak
Sign a super star goalie to fill in Nabby's spot
Re-sign Patrick Marleau - 7 years $7 million
Patty is having a break out year so he is bad in the playoffs but he has that skill they need for the regular season
Re-sign Devin Setoguchi - 3 years $1.5 million
Young talent good goal scorer
Sign Peter Mueller 8 years $5 million
Great first line left winger he would play great with Jumbo Joe
Trade 1st rounder and Zalewski for Jakub Voracek
All round player Voracek would be a great 2nd line winger
''GO SHARKS GO'' |
Edited by - Jumbo Joe Rocks on 04/22/2010 13:19:39 |
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