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Sensfan101
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
500 Posts |
 Posted - 06/10/2010 : 13:17:49
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Poll Question:
With Blake retiring who will be San Jose's next captain
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whereismykovalchuk
Top Prospect
Canada
19 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2010 : 09:51:12
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it should be a real leader so why is marleau on the list?
it will be dan boyle someone who wins and will hold others accountable...
bring back the franchise player or the team will leave like the last one |
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
410 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2010 : 10:27:28
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Jumbo Joe easily he has had expierience with the C on his shirt.
RE-SIGN PATTY |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2010 : 10:40:37
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How fickle the world of hockey. A few years ago, Marleau was the undisputed captain, considered to be one of the hardest working stars in the league, leading quietly by example.
The coach, in a selfish gesture of control, strips him of the captaincy, and it changes his play not one bit. How is that not a leader? They bring in big name players in Thornton, Heatley, Boyle and Blake and they still win nothing, yet Marleau has arguably his strongest season to date. How is that not a leader?
I do agree though that he shouldn't be named captain, I'm not sure if the Sharks deserve it.
Maybe they shouild give it to Boyle, doesn't matter, until they win, whoever has it, is just the scapegoat, regardless of who it is...
Marleau sure would look good in Oiler blue with a big old 'C' on his sweater though...  |
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whereismykovalchuk
Top Prospect
Canada
19 Posts |
Posted - 06/11/2010 : 15:03:48
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Marleau sure would look good in Oiler blue with a big old 'C' on his sweater though
fat elvis,He might look good in copper and blue but why would Marleau want to go somewhere that is at least three years from being a true competitor
bring back the franchise player or the team will leave like the last one |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2010 : 00:05:31
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Originally posted by whereismykovalchuk
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Marleau sure would look good in Oiler blue with a big old 'C' on his sweater though
fat elvis,He might look good in copper and blue but why would Marleau want to go somewhere that is at least three years from being a true competitor
bring back the franchise player or the team will leave like the last one
Not sure he would, wishful thinking on my part. The Oilers would have a better chance at getting him than they did Heatley in my opinion, and the Edmonton hockey culture would give him the instant respect that it seemed the Sharks lost.
If by some miracle, they could land a Marleau, they suddenly legitimize themselves, again only my opinion, one horrible year doesn't put them in the same circumstance as the other perrenial stinkers....
This is a better team than this past year's record would indicate. The only place they can go now, is up...I hope |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1239 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2010 : 21:22:22
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| Joe Thorthon captain ?? Matt Sundin all over again...SJ will never win the cup with him as leader...never mind captain, trade him and rebuild around several key peices they have. How many years do they have repeat groung hog day before they wake up and smell the coffee. |
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Alex
PickupHockey All-Star
Canada
2816 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2010 : 15:40:47
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Originally posted by The Duke
Joe Thorthon captain ?? Matt Sundin all over again...SJ will never win the cup with him as leader...never mind captain, trade him and rebuild around several key peices they have. How many years do they have repeat groung hog day before they wake up and smell the coffee.
Disagree with this assessment, I think the Sharks got knocked out this year simply because the other team was better. It wasn't a lack of effort or leadership that was their problem against the Hawks, they just didn't have the roster to match up. |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1239 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2010 : 17:02:15
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| alex, Joe Thornton is part of SJ`s roster, you just made my point valid. What happened to them the last 5 years ?? de-ja-voo all over again...and again, THEY NEED CHANGES. |
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1315 Posts |
Posted - 06/13/2010 : 18:49:43
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I voted Dan Boyle. Although, Marleau is the heart and soul of the team it seems to me, atleast. But, we have seen how that worked out. He has performed better without the added pressure of Captaincy.
So, Dan Boyle seems like a good choice. He is a veteran player, who leads the team offensively from the backend, and can play a sound defensive game.
He has made some big mistakes during the playoffs, such as two plays ending up in the back of his own net, but he bounced back from both exceptionally well. Something a leader does. Everyone makes mistakes, even hockey's elite. But, how you bounce back immediately after, is what counts. Boyle does that well.
I'm unsure how he handles the media, i've not seen a ton of Boyle interviews. But, if he can do that even half well, to me, Boyle should take the C.
Irvine/prez. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 06/14/2010 : 06:54:10
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I am not going to say who will have the C because it's not confirmed what's going on with Marleau.
However, I will tell you that Thornton is NOT the guy. When the Sharks need a leader on the ice in a tough game, they need a guy who is actually going to step it up and play with some passion and heart, which Thornton does through the regular season but disappears in the playoffs.
He is simply not a leader. |
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Rambo2305
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
546 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 06:11:44
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I'd give it to Joe...Thornton. He's worn it proudly before in Boston. If you followed the story from his final year with the Bruins, you'd know they pretty much screwed him over and stabbed him in the back.
Giving him the "C" could push him to elevate his already elevated game and possibly take the Sharks over the hump.
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Deaner
Rookie
Canada
107 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 11:35:13
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| definatly Joe Thornton...The guy is amazing should have already been wearin the C in my opinion. |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 06/15/2010 : 13:05:37
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Originally posted by Rambo2305
I'd give it to Joe...Thornton. He's worn it proudly before in Boston. If you followed the story from his final year with the Bruins, you'd know they pretty much screwed him over and stabbed him in the back.
Giving him the "C" could push him to elevate his already elevated game and possibly take the Sharks over the hump.
Maybe I'm being a little Saskachewan biased here, but you'll have to excuse me if I find it ironic that you think Joe should be given the 'C', because he was screwed over in Boston, by a team and management/coaching staff, that did exactly the same thing to their previous long term captain in San Jose?
Thornton has yet to prove he is anything other than a regular season stats machine, period. He doesn't shine at the international level when playing with the best in the world, he disappears at playoff time, again, when this time he is surrounded by a much stronger supporting cast than he has yet to have in the playoffs, and he should be gien the captaincy?
San Jose may be one of those teams that may want to rotate the captaincy, until they get over the current playoff jinx they seem to have, until then, it won't matter who wears the 'C', whoever that is, is only a target. There was nothing wrong with Marleau as captain, and it shows the organization's lack of loyalty back to the players, which may be part of the problem itself.
They publicly chastise him for not being able to lead the team to the glory, but even after bringing in the extra help, they still got no further....good for Marleau to shine after all that, and I truly hope he finds a team that appreciates him more than the Sharks. After being all star-struck by the Thorntons and Heatleys, he was still the heart and soul of that team.
Just my opinion.
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Jumbo Joe Rocks
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
410 Posts |
Posted - 06/29/2010 : 11:51:17
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Now I think about it it should be Pavelski.
GO SHARKS GO |
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Rambo2305
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
546 Posts |
Posted - 06/30/2010 : 06:06:29
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| Now the Marleau's back, it would actually be a bit funny to see him get the "C" back lol |
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FLYING -V
Top Prospect
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Posted - 06/30/2010 : 12:14:07
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I think Joe Thornton gets a bum rap concerning his playoff performances. Listening to all of you ragging on thornton for his post season performances makes me sick. Ok, sure, his production doesn't compare with his regular season numbers, but that's to be expected considering the players he's matched up against. I mean look at this year, not very many players can put up huge numbers when they're being constantly shadowed by Duncan keith or Nick lidstrom or when they're facing a red hot goalie like Craig Anderson while having a player like tj galiardi all over them. And putting up with all this he still managed almost a point a game?
And Thornton, come playoff time, makes an impact off the scoresheet also, those of you who watched him play know that he provided a spark to the sharks in more ways than one, he was hitting, he was backchecking, he was even blocking shots. You could see it in his eyes, he just wanted to win. And the rest of the sharks fed off of that.
Even if doesn't put the team on his back, he still makes a difference and certainly doesn't " disappear. ". I'm not saying he deserves the captaincy, but it wouldn't be out of place if he got it.
Its not worth winning if you cant win big! |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2010 : 14:38:15
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Originally posted by FLYING -V
I think Joe Thornton gets a bum rap concerning his playoff performances. Listening to all of you ragging on thornton for his post season performances makes me sick. Ok, sure, his production doesn't compare with his regular season numbers, but that's to be expected considering the players he's matched up against. I mean look at this year, not very many players can put up huge numbers when they're being constantly shadowed by Duncan keith or Nick lidstrom or when they're facing a red hot goalie like Craig Anderson while having a player like tj galiardi all over them. And putting up with all this he still managed almost a point a game?
And Thornton, come playoff time, makes an impact off the scoresheet also, those of you who watched him play know that he provided a spark to the sharks in more ways than one, he was hitting, he was backchecking, he was even blocking shots. You could see it in his eyes, he just wanted to win. And the rest of the sharks fed off of that.
Even if doesn't put the team on his back, he still makes a difference and certainly doesn't " disappear. ". I'm not saying he deserves the captaincy, but it wouldn't be out of place if he got it.
Its not worth winning if you cant win big!
Here's some factual Pepto Bismal for that upset tummy. Every reason you contend for why Joe shouldn't get trashed....is exactly the reasons he does.
- he plays against the tough checking in playoffs? He plays against a hot goalie? He plays against a designated shadow? Is this something new, that just started with Thornton? No. Another excuse for his poor playoff performances. Every leader, of every team, that has ever had success in the playoffs has faced exactly the same adversities, many without the physical gifts Thornton has, and adapted for success....
- his wanting to win and the rest of Sharks feeding off that? The only intesity I saw, was Big Joe losing his cool with Bolland on numerous occasions, if the Sharks fed off that, it makes sense the series ended the way it did then..
- again, just my opinion, but he has been statistically dominant in the regular season, for much of his career, but he has 'led' the Sharks where in the playoffs? The Bruins were even worse with his leadership.
It probably wouldn't be out place to give him the 'C', he is the leader from October to April, it's the last couple months after that, that make me question it.
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irvine
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1315 Posts |
Posted - 07/02/2010 : 20:14:52
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Allow me to reiterate my previous thoughts on whom I feel should be San Jose's next Captain.
Dan Boyle.
Boyle is the leader of San Jose's back end. One, that next season, will be getting a little younger with Demers & Joslin joining the mix full time.
Boyle has the composure needed to lead a team. He makes mistakes, as does any athlete (or human being for that matter), but he bounces back from those mistakes without missing a beat. They do not affect him for long.
He seems to lead by example. Something that, most players respect, perhaps more so than those who lead by being overly vocal. I'm unsure how vocal Boyle is, but he seems well respected by his teammates.
You could argue for Thornton... but, to me he lacks some emotion at times. He almost looks amazed at times, when a guy hits him. As if to say "Did he just hit me? me, Joe Thornton?" heh.
Marleau is the heart and soul of this team in my opinion. But, with the previously "failed" Captaincy before, I don't see management or Marleau wanting to go back to that. Exactly how it failed, is beyond me. He did not put up his best numbers during that time, but did he have a complete break down? I'm unsure.
I just don't see Marleau wanting to take on the Captaincy again. Nor, Managment willing to admit they were wrong removing it.
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