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sahis34
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 Posted - 11/01/2010 : 15:48:59
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Poll Question:
Did the Oilers make the right decision waiving JDD and keeping Dubnyk as there #2?
Go OILERS Go!!!
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sahis34
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Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 15:51:45
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I'm not sure why there are so many Dubynk fans out there. Deslauriers has proven he can win games single handedly, while Dubynk is consistently mediocre.
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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 11/01/2010 : 19:43:54
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The only thing that both have proven is that neither of them will ever be a #1 goalie. They are both mediocre at best.
If Dubnyk has anything over Deslauriers, it's age. Dubnyk is 2 years younger. Other than that, they are both incredibly mediocre.
When has Deslauriers ever proven he can win a game on his own?? |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/01/2010 : 20:49:25
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Against the rangers and the devils 2 years ago
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crichards
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 11/01/2010 : 21:37:50
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| Last year Deslauiers seemed to be the better goalie and played more. I'm not sure when they decided Dubynk was the guy. I don't think either of them would play much if Khabibulin finds his game again so it's probably not a big deal. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 11/01/2010 : 22:40:33
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| I have had limited views of both, but when I've seen Dubnyk play he's been pretty good overall. One thing for sure, he is one of the biggest goalies I've seen, making Luongo look small is no easy task... |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 11/01/2010 : 22:50:09
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Originally posted by sahis34
Against the rangers and the devils 2 years ago
Go OILERS Go!!!
LOL...i dunno, but without some specifics, some stats, and explanation, SOMETHING.....this isn't much proof! Sorry, i don't recall those games? But, i'm not an Oilers fan either? Maybe Beans can take a minute to explain these games to us??? |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2010 : 08:31:51
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I am assuming he had 2 shut outs last year??? Ultiamtely, when a goalie gets a crack at starting 45 games as Deslauriers did last year and gets a grand total of 15 wins, it's paints a pretty clear picture to me. Even poor NHL goalies will have a .400 win%, not .333.
We below average at best and 2 games means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Deslauriers = Toskala in Toronto and no one wants that! |
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Guest5806
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Posted - 11/02/2010 : 15:55:05
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| dubnyk looks small in the net for being 6'6. At least JD makes himself look big while dubynk shrivels up |
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sahis34
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Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2010 : 17:29:26
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Deslauriers had 2 top 10 saves last year.
JDD makes big saves, Dubnyk lets in weak goals
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/02/2010 : 18:03:06
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I may have no concern about the Oilers whatsoever, but how does this question hav any relevance. Khabibulien is Edmonton's clear cut #1.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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Guest5806
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Posted - 11/02/2010 : 19:44:11
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| he won't be in 2 years, It will likely be dubnyk or JD |
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Pasty7
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/02/2010 : 21:32:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
I am assuming he had 2 shut outs last year??? Ultiamtely, when a goalie gets a crack at starting 45 games as Deslauriers did last year and gets a grand total of 15 wins, it's paints a pretty clear picture to me. Even poor NHL goalies will have a .400 win%, not .333.
We below average at best and 2 games means nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Deslauriers = Toskala in Toronto and no one wants that!
Price started just around 40 games last year and didn't get more than 15 wins, and the habs were a hell of a lot better than the Oiler's last year.... The oilers sucked last year its normal that their young Goalies sucked too.. The oilers would have been last place last year with most of the starters in the leagues putting that on your 24 year old goalie in his first year as the clear cut starter (which he only was because on injury) is pretty weak,, i say you give him another shot like the Oilers are doing
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Guest5806
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 07:35:52
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The oilers would've made the playoffs with miller or luongo last year,
Take away any teams best forward and goalie and of course they'll tank. The oilers badness was was overated last year.
Take kipper and igy away from the flames for 1 season, see where they'lll finish, probably dead last. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 07:54:56
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Originally posted by Guest5806
]The oilers would've made the playoffs with miller or luongo last year, Take away any teams best forward and goalie and of course they'll tank. The oilers badness was was overated last year.
Take kipper and igy away from the flames for 1 season, see where they'lll finish, probably dead last.
Seriously? That's a pretty bold statement. It's not like they barely missed making it......  |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 13:32:49
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Well 1stly most of the teams would've made the playoffs with miller, secondly there goaltending was just a letdown throughout the team. A big save now and again would've pumped up the offense.
Maybe they wouldn't have made the playoffs in the west but they at least wouldn't have been an embarrassment if the had a decent goalie.
To the point, if hemmer and Khabby didn't go down last year they probably would have challenged for a spot
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sahis34
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Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 16:12:50
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EVRYONE would've made the playoffs with miller
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Guest5806
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 18:06:46
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| except Calgary,Bahhahha |
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Posted - 11/04/2010 : 13:28:20
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 11:39:22
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Such an excellent #1 status goalie does not get picked up on waivers even though his contract is minimal (something around $1 million/season).
Yep, the Oilers made a huge mistake putting this guy on waivers. What the heck were they thinking?? |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/05/2010 : 13:28:51
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There aren't many teams who don't have a #2 goalie, thats why he wasn't picked up
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Awesome One
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
505 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 15:48:57
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest5806
The oilers would've made the playoffs with miller or luongo last year,
Take away any teams best forward and goalie and of course they'll tank. The oilers badness was was overated last year.
Take kipper and igy away from the flames for 1 season, see where they'lll finish, probably dead last.
The Flames would definitly finished last without Kipper and Iggy.
The Oilers were way too bad for either Miller or Luongo to fix.
There was once a license plate in Toronto that abbreviated "Go Leafs" it read "Golfs". |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2010 : 16:35:40
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Originally posted by sahis34
There aren't many teams who don't have a #2 goalie, thats why he wasn't picked up
Go OILERS Go!!!
This makes no sense what so ever. You have stated that Deslauriers is a legitimate #1. What does NHL teams having #2 goalies have to do with anything. Futhermore, there are at least 10 teams in the NHL with goalies still on 2 way contract who could have brought in Deslauriers and sent their current #2 down without penalty.
Fact of the matter is that not one of the other 29 teams felt strongly enough about this guy to spend a meager amount of money on him.
He simply isn't that good. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 00:57:00
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JD has passion unlike dubnyk, I'm guessing that comes from the fact that he idolized the oilers even in the 90's and will allows be a better fit in edmonton. Also JD isn't a #1 now, as he proved last year, but is certainly a #2. JD may be a #1 eventually you can never tell. Who could of known how anderson would've turned his career around in COL
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Beans15
Moderator
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8286 Posts |
Posted - 11/06/2010 : 09:42:08
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Anderson turned his career around in Colorado?? We are talking about Craig Anderson right?? The guy who had better numbers in Florida than he does in Colorado and really chased Vokoun from the net even after he came back from injury???
Anderson's career was pretty solid in Florida.
That being said, this still does not say anything to how Deslauriers is such a solid goalie and not a single NHL team wanted to pick him up?? Who cares where his passion lies?? Who cares who he idolized?? It's completely irrelevant. Bottom line is that neither Dubnyk or Deslauriers are good enough today and there is little to no point in having a 3 goalie system when 2 of the goalies are below average. The Oilers absolutely made the right decision in who they picked to put on waivers. Both are weak, but one of them is 2 years younger and makes $200k less per year. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/06/2010 : 21:47:54
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anderson was a clear cut #1 in COL some thought he deserved vezina considerations. He sucked in florida, voukon always had that job, thats why he left
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 11/06/2010 : 22:10:25
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he left FLA because there was no chance he would start, true. But he far from sucked in his last year in FLA while filling in for an injured Vokoun... 15-7-5, 2.71 GAA, .925 SV%. To have a winning record with a team like FLA is hard enough... to win twice as many as you lose is even tougher. Hell, even the year before that he posted 8-6-1, 2.24, .925 as Vokoun's backup. These numbers hardly "suck"
Anderson left FLA to find a starting job after his breakout season, and found it in COL. He simply picked up where he left off in FLA the year before. He would not have gotten that contract if he sucked in Florida.
EDIT - sahis, its not terribly hard to do a little research before you post, just to make sure what you post is accurate. |
Edited by - nuxfan on 11/06/2010 22:11:10 |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2010 : 08:49:23
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He went from a good #2 to a Vezina considerate, thats still a pretty good rise
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sahis34
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Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2010 : 08:58:41
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TO the JDD vs. Dubnyk point, JD is a momentum gainer, and dubnyk is a momentum loser. You've had had to watch 60 s***ty oiler games last season to know that.
JD's numbers better to, he deserves the #2 job more than dubynk
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 11/07/2010 : 10:46:22
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He went from a good #2 to a Vezina considerate, thats still a pretty good rise
He went from Vezina stats in FLA over half a season to Vezina candidate in COL when he did the same thing over a whole season.
Anderson's breakout was not in COL |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 11/07/2010 : 12:02:26
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quote:
Originally posted by sahis34
TO the JDD vs. Dubnyk point, JD is a momentum gainer, and dubnyk is a momentum loser. You've had had to watch 60 s***ty oiler games last season to know that.
JD's numbers better to, he deserves the #2 job more than dubynk
Go OILERS Go!!!
I watched a heck of a lot more than 60+ Oiler games last year and you know what I watched, at least 1 but often 2-3 soft goals a game given up by JDD. He is well below average, no better than Dubnyk, and deserved the waiver treatment.
He is 2 years older and $200k more expensive than a goalie of the exact same caliber. Of course he is the waiver choice. Seriously, arguing if he is a bonified #2 or not is irrelevant. The economics alone answer and justify the question. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 11/07/2010 : 15:28:10
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
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Originally posted by sahis34
TO the JDD vs. Dubnyk point, JD is a momentum gainer, and dubnyk is a momentum loser. You've had had to watch 60 s***ty oiler games last season to know that.
JD's numbers better to, he deserves the #2 job more than dubynk
Go OILERS Go!!!
I watched a heck of a lot more than 60+ Oiler games last year and you know what I watched, at least 1 but often 2-3 soft goals a game given up by JDD. He is well below average, no better than Dubnyk, and deserved the waiver treatment.
He is 2 years older and $200k more expensive than a goalie of the exact same caliber. Of course he is the waiver choice. Seriously, arguing if he is a bonified #2 or not is irrelevant. The economics alone answer and justify the question.
Bryzgalov was put on waivers.
Also I said s***ty oiler games. Khabibulin pretty much made the first 20 tolerable . that leaves 60
Go OILERS Go!!! |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/07/2010 : 15:30:02
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Who cares about anderson anyway
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K73
Top Prospect
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Posted - 11/08/2010 : 01:14:20
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Originally posted by sahis34
Who cares about anderson anyway
Go OILERS Go!!!
Really? Really? You're the one what brought him up! I don't think I've ever seen someone flop around so frantically in an argument. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
591 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2010 : 18:20:02
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You know what, I've changed my mind about Dubnyk
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 11/22/2010 : 14:12:27
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Sahis, go play darts or something. Deslauriers was given time to get his game together, failed and was pretty much the reason the Oilers fell behind in a lot of games. The team lost all confidence in him last year. Dubynk has had fewer chances given to him to develop his game, but is in the same class of crappy Deslaurier was.
Whats funny was 2 years ago I had the same arguement with Bean's about Deslaurier being crappy then and the fact the Oilers needed to find a legit backup at that time. Beans argued for Deslauriers side at that time. I would like to see Gerber get the chance to redeem himself as a starter in front of this years Oilers. He always seems to excell when the team in front of him has less expectations of him. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 14:47:14
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The oilers can't win a shootout with Dubynk
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fat_elvis_rocked
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Canada
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 19:10:12
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quote:
Originally posted by sahis34
The oilers can't win a shootout with Dubynk
Go OILERS Go!!!
Just out for another internet sTROLL, again I see, eh Sahis? |
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sahis34
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Canada
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Posted - 02/12/2011 : 19:55:19
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Just out for another internet sTROLL, again I see, eh Sahis?
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nice touch
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Beans15
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 12:06:02
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The Oilers can't win with anyone in net. Khabibulin hasn't won in 14 starts and counting. Quite simply, they are completely horrible defensively. The group of 6 they are icing each night is barely fit for an AHL team. Without Whitney in the line up, they are garbage. Gilbert has been serviceable but is still a defensive liability. Foster has been a disappointment. Smid brings everything average to the table but nothing solid either offensively or defensively. Peckham is young and learning but often sacrifices the play for something physical.
It could be the second coming of Patrick Roy in net for the Oilers and I still don't think they will win. It's great they have loads of young and developing talent up front but without some more talent to play with Whitney on the back end it really won't matter. Petry has been decent but he is still super young. Petiot on the farm is having a nice season as is Belle, but neither are stand out studs.
The Oilers are in need of depth on the back end or the goaltending won't matter at all. |
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sahis34
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/13/2011 : 12:22:08
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Originally posted by Beans15
The Oilers can't win with anyone in net. Khabibulin hasn't won in 14 starts and counting. Quite simply, they are completely horrible defensively. The group of 6 they are icing each night is barely fit for an AHL team. Without Whitney in the line up, they are garbage. Gilbert has been serviceable but is still a defensive liability. Foster has been a disappointment. Smid brings everything average to the table but nothing solid either offensively or defensively. Peckham is young and learning but often sacrifices the play for something physical.
It could be the second coming of Patrick Roy in net for the Oilers and I still don't think they will win. It's great they have loads of young and developing talent up front but without some more talent to play with Whitney on the back end it really won't matter. Petry has been decent but he is still super young. Petiot on the farm is having a nice season as is Belle, but neither are stand out studs.
The Oilers are in need of depth on the back end or the goaltending won't matter at all.
I actually agree with you this time.
What would you do if you were the Oiler GM beans? Who would you trade, and who would you draft with the #1 if the oilers had it?
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