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semin-rules
PickupHockey Veteran
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 Posted - 01/23/2011 : 15:12:05
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Poll Question:
Similar to Pasty and his post about Montreal and their chances the rest of the year, I would like to see what the rest of my fellow forumers think of my beloved Stars and how they will finish their season!
Currently dallas is Third in the west with 63 points, 4 points behind the Canucks. They both have played 48 games as well. They are first in the pacific and 5 points in front of 2nd place Anaheim. So my question is, where do you think they will finish this season? Whether they don't make it, which round they leave if they make the playoffs, or if they even could win the cup!
I'm curious as to what you guys think about them!
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Edited by - semin-rules on 01/23/2011 15:16:48
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 16:05:50
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I watch the Stars as often as they are on National TV so that is quite limited so take this with a grain of salt. I did see them play the Oilers live the other night as well, and I can tell you I was very impressed. They play a very smart game and they have the players to success. Great youth, great talent, solid goaltending, and sound defensive. At one point in the game against the Oilers (who had outshot the Stars 27-20 through 2 periods) the Stars held the Oilers to 12 minutes without a shot on goal. They protected that 2 goal lead perfectly.
Consider their first line PP included Riberio, Eriksson, and Neal up front with Richards and Robidas on the back end, that is as good as any group in the NHL today.
Crawford has that team dialed in and barring any serious injuries of some kind of change in SJ, Dallas should win the Pacific putting them top 3 in the west.
They are a better team than most people figure they are. |
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Oilearl
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Canada
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 16:18:51
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| I chose top 3. I think think they will win their division. I like the balanced game they play as a team and if they stay healthy they seem to have all the components in place for run in the playoffs. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/23/2011 : 17:38:00
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I too believe they are the real deal, and will win the Pacific this year, so top-3. DAL is waaaay better than anyone thought they would be, and have proven it so far. They are also benefitting from a sub-par year from SJ, but I take nothing away from them and think they can hang on to win the division.
I've seen them a few times this year - the times they've played VAN and any time they're on HNIC - and have been impressed. They boast a very solid top-6 forwards, their defense is not nearly as bad as I thought they'd be, and an injury free Lehtonen is having a career year.
All the, erm, stars, are aligning for DAL this year. |
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
996 Posts |
Posted - 01/23/2011 : 19:18:18
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Rangers aside, i watch Dallas more than any team in the league (from the same area as Brad Richards, so i follow his career closely).
I can't say i'm surprised with the success Dallas has enjoyed so far this season. I was really disappointed in them last season, i thought they were definitely a playoff calibre team and performed way below expectations. Brendan Morrow struggled coming back from injury though & his running mate, Mike Riberio, had an off year as well by his standards. Goaltending was a weakness last season too as Marty Turco struggled to find his game.
This year everything has gone right so far. The trio of Neal-Richards-Eriksson continues to be one of the most productive & consistent units in the NHL. All 3 are on pace for career seasons. Mike Riberio is playing some of his best hockey in the last couple years right now & is currently riding a 11 game point streak. Add in Morrow, Jamie Benn, Steve Ott and Jamie Langenbrunner, and the Stars have one of the best forward corps in the league.
Kari Lehtonen is finally healthy & showing why the Thrashers drafted him 2nd overall & The Hockey News had him ranked as the NHLs top prospect for (i think) 2 consectutive years. He;s been excellent this season, as has backup Andrew Raycroft when called upon.
Approaching the deadline, i would like to see the Stars add an offensive defensemen. I thought Matt Niskanen had the potential to be a very good offensive blueliner, but heès been a huge disappointment this season. |
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foolpittier
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Canada
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 12:34:15
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| they are a cup contender for sure, that is if they don't do anything crazy by the trade deadline. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 16:34:37
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Originally posted by ryan93
Approaching the deadline, i would like to see the Stars add an offensive defensemen. I thought Matt Niskanen had the potential to be a very good offensive blueliner, but heès been a huge disappointment this season.
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Leafs81
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 19:02:20
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by ryan93
Approaching the deadline, i would like to see the Stars add an offensive defensemen. I thought Matt Niskanen had the potential to be a very good offensive blueliner, but heès been a huge disappointment this season.
Isn't Kaberle available?
Yeah and the Stars has way too many good big forwards ;)
hehe... this thread suddenly has the potential of hitting 5 pages.
All right jokes aside. The Stars has a great team and I always thought they were really good and improving. I never understood why people were ranking them so low. I'm glad for them to be at this level, remember in 2008 they went to the conference finals. In 2009 they got a bunch of injuries and couldn't find their game, last year was a big disapointment from many players. And this year they are back where they should be, as contenders.
I predict them to get to the second round this year. |
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 19:23:11
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| Kaberle would be a great fit in Dallas, but it would probably take a package including Jamie Benn to get him, something i don't think they should do. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 20:57:56
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Kaberle would be a great fit in Dallas, but it would probably take a package including Jamie Benn to get him, something i don't think they should do.
No they should not - nor would they, Benn is as blue chip as they come, I can't see them parting with him for any reason at all. If that is the sort of asking price for Kaberle, methinks he isn't going anywhere this year.
There will be other dmen available as we approach the trade deadline, other teams will become sellers. I agree that DAL will be in the market for a solid quarterback dman for the PP. In September I felt that their biggest question mark was the defense, and they have done well, but they're definitely missing someone that can control things offensively and has size. I don't think Robidas is good enough to do it deep into the playoffs. |
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Lunchbox
Top Prospect
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 00:03:32
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There will be other dmen available as we approach the trade deadline, other teams will become sellers. I agree that DAL will be in the market for a solid quarterback dman for the PP.
This may be true, but the question then becomes who will it be that the Stars pick up, and what do they want to give up. Honestly the Stars surprised a lot of people this year, and I'm not sure they want to mess with a good thing. The team is on a roll lately (except for tonight's game against the Canucks, yikes!)
So who is expendable? Who do other teams want? ...and is anyone the answer to both those questions for Dallas right now? |
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ToXXiK1
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 03:29:38
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I believe any pitch for Kaberle would be a moot point as the list he gave BB was for teams in the East only so he could still be close to family? Plus I still don't think he's going to waive anymore. Last night was a blowout for the Stars, didn't see it, was it Vancouver dominating? Bad night in goal? Was it a lopsided game or did Dallas just get outplayed by Luongo?
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semin-rules
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 06:20:32
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I think last night we were outplayed yes,
luongo wasn't really challeneged that much but vancouver had tons of tips and screens that lead to goals. Which is just unfourtunate for the Stars. They didn't play bad per say. Things just didn't go their way  |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 07:55:33
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Originally posted by semin-rules
I think last night we were outplayed yes,
luongo wasn't really challeneged that much but vancouver had tons of tips and screens that lead to goals. Which is just unfourtunate for the Stars. They didn't play bad per say. Things just didn't go their way
semin, the Canucks def outplayed the Stars, but not by a 7-1 scored! A mix of good goals and bad ones (an off night for a goalie happens to the best of them) led to an early goal (long unscreened slapshot that appeared to be a bit of a "knuckleball") then two PP goals, and Dallas never really got back in it. Funny, the NY's eve game in Dallas in which the Canucks won 4-1 was the opposite. Dallas deserved the 2pts in that one outshooting the Canucks by a 2-1 margin (or close to it) and yet didn't win. That's the way it goes sometimes but last night, Dallas coming off a 7-4 loss to Calgary on Friday night, looked pretty sluggish to begin the game. I heard they were in Vancouver for the past 2 or 3 days (over the weekend) but i'm yet to hear if there were any sightings at the Roxy over the weekend. 
How about the RAGE on Burrish's face late in the game when he was looking to KILL Burrows during that scrum against the boards! His hatred from his Chi days def hasn't subsided!!! Beans, if you were watching, you'd have been praying he got loos from the linesman cuz i swear, if he did, there may not be an Alex Burrows in the NHL today!!! Man, he looked pissed!!! |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 09:28:48
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Burish and Burrows absolutely HATE each other. In one shot I thought he was bleeding, but when the camera panned in, he was not - but his face was so red it looked like it. Teeth bared, hair in face - Manson-like for sure. I think Burrows would have held his own against him in a fight, but wow. They play each other next week, should be interesting.
It was only a matter of time before the Canucks broke out of their scoring slump, and you knew some team was going to take it on the chops when it happened - it just happened to be DAL. Semin, don't worry, you have a good team there, that is just going through a slump. Going into last night, the Canucks had one regulation win in their previous 8 - it happens.
BTW - Luongo absolutely did NOT steal that game. Last night's game was a great example of how a goalie's stats can be padded by poor or low percentage shots. There were several occasions where his bad positioning on close-in DAL threats was bailed out by a very alert defense, especially on DAL powerplays. He made one extraordinary save on Neal late in the game, but other than that he didn't look great, but didn't have to face much adversity. The game was won by the Canucks offense, and some excellent defensive play by Hamhuis and Edler throughout the game.
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Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 10:22:10
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Anytime you allow a team like Vancouver to score 3 pp goals more often then not your in for a long night. The love always goes to Lu, Sedins & Kesler but i could watch Mason Raymond play hockey for days kid can straight out fly. Nuk Fans care to send him to Pit for Kunitz and load of cash 
As for the thread I am in agreement with the majority that the stars will battle for the top 3 all season and baring a bankruptcy scenario with the group of young talent the stars currently have their is no reason they should not contend for the next several yrs.
As far as an offensive defenseman to pick up a little premature to determine what teams are real buyers & sellers outside of the leagues bottom 4 give it another 10 - 15 games. Oil fans any murmurs out west on the likelyhood of Souray being traded at the deadline?
As far as the playoffs i will take them a step further and predict conference finals simply because i feel the final four will come down to Van, Det, Chi & Dal baring they don't play each other in the first round. I watched Dallas play the red wings both times and one of the few times i've seen a healthy Detroit roster get dominated. Playoffs are a different animal though and only time will tell.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 10:51:38
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Nuk Fans care to send him to Pit for Kunitz and load of cash
There is word that he's on the list of potentials to be dealt out to make room for Salo. It would be salary dump though, we don't want a Kunitz coming back...just prospects please.
Trouble with Raymond these days, he seems to be skating so fast that he's forgetting to score goals... |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 10:51:54
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Originally posted by Mario 66
...... but i could watch Mason Raymond play hockey for days kid can straight out fly. Nuk Fans care to send him to Pit for Kunitz and load of cash
Dunno about Kunitz and cash, but i get a feeling he's available. It's gonna depend on our suddenly "hurting" D but if Salo's gonna get back in, something's gotta give. |
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Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 11:28:38
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Nux & Alex would you not sooner see Salo go then Raymond? Salo has shown his potential just cant keep his junk out of the way from the puck long enough to maximize it where as Raymond seems to have so much upside
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 11:31:32
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I voted 4-6th place.
Not that they will have a big drop, but some of the teams that have been slacking in their division (San Jose, LA) are sure to pick it up in the second half, and . . . Phoenix and Anaheim aren't that far behind.
Roll a five-sided die to pick who wins THAT division!
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 11:33:18
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Salo's trade value is extremely low right now - he hasn't played all year, coming off a serious achilles injury, he's 36 and UFA. Also, as Alex mentioned in another thread, the Canucks may want to keep as many dmen available as possible, given that injuries to defense pretty much killed us in last year's playoffs. If we can go into the post season with 6 top-4 dmen (Bieksa, Erhoff, Salo, Edler, Ballard, Hamhuis) and 8 or 9 total, that will be good.
Other mentioned as possible trades - Raymond, Samuelsson, even Bieksa - all have significantly more trade value. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 12:44:40
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Mario, don't get me wrong, i do like what Raymond brings to the table and have been as frustrated as any Canucks fan at Salo's injuries, but as nuxfan pointed out, it's all about depth on the back end come April. Salo, when healthy, which doesn't seem to be often, is a very under rated dman. I think the Canucks feel they can afford to take a chance and move a guy like Raymond if it makes it easier to fit Salo in under the cap. It's unfortunate if they have to lose him, but i think you'll see them wait as long as possible with Salo and see where their injuries are as the deadline approaches. It's guys like him who prob frustrate GM's as they've been a part of the organization since being drafted and then to bring them along this far only to lose them has to hurt. Similar situation would be having to give up Grabner in the Ballard deal.
Tough call, and perhaps Raymond won't be the one to go, but salary wise, to fit in Salo, he looks to be the one who makes most sense both money wise, and trade value / return wise. |
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Mario 66
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 12:56:07
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I'll write the email to Shero tomorrow lol
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 14:45:02
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I think the Canucks feel they can afford to take a chance and move a guy like Raymond if it makes it easier to fit Salo in under the cap. It's unfortunate if they have to lose him, but i think you'll see them wait as long as possible with Salo and see where their injuries are as the deadline approaches
Ideally, Salo returns to the Canucks about 2 weeks before the playoffs start, and plays 3rd pair dman minutes to get warmed up just in time for the big dance. Then they give up nothing and keep Salo, and we can sort it all out next year.
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foolpittier
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 16:16:33
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Originally posted by foolpittier
they are a cup contender for sure, that is if they don't do anything crazy by the trade deadline.
even after last night's 7-1 blow out by Vancouver. |
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semin-rules
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 16:26:00
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Originally posted by foolpittier
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Originally posted by foolpittier
they are a cup contender for sure, that is if they don't do anything crazy by the trade deadline.
even after last night's 7-1 blow out by Vancouver.
That's only one game. They came off a hard loss the game before and it was hard to bounce back from. Don't count them after two games. It's their year |
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Gostarsgo12
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 01/25/2011 : 17:55:28
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| Good to see my stars be recognized.. besides are 7-1 loss last night. Were right up there in contention. Hopefully pick up some pieces at the deadline and make a run for the cup!! As for kunitz getting traded to wherever you guys were talking about. not gonna happen. to good of chemistry with crosby |
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ryan93
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 17:56:22
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What a crazy start to the game tonight! There were fights off the opening 3 faceoffs! 1 second in Ott/Campbell, 2 seconds in Barch/Thornton, and then 3 seconds in Sutherby/Burish. And if that wasn't enough, 4 minutes into the 1st Burish fought Ference!!
Anyways on to the reason why i dug up this thread...Dallas has been in a bit of a funk recently, and they've been giving up a lot of goals. In their last 5 games...
7-4 loss to Calgary
7-1 loss to Vancouver
3-1 win over Edmonton
4-1 loss to Vancouver
6-3 loss to Boston
So what does everyone think? Is there reason to be concerned in Dallas, or are they just going through a rough patch similar to, say Vancouver's 4 game winless skid a couple weeks ago. Actually that's probably a bad example since the Nucks were actually 0-1-3, but i think you get my point. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 19:13:28
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Originally posted by ryan93
What a crazy start to the game tonight! There were fights off the opening 3 faceoffs! 1 second in Ott/Campbell, 2 seconds in Barch/Thornton, and then 3 seconds in Sutherby/Burish. And if that wasn't enough, 4 minutes into the 1st Burish fought Ference!!
Anyways on to the reason why i dug up this thread...Dallas has been in a bit of a funk recently, and they've been giving up a lot of goals. In their last 5 games...
7-4 loss to Calgary
7-1 loss to Vancouver
3-1 win over Edmonton
4-1 loss to Vancouver
6-3 loss to Boston
So what does everyone think? Is there reason to be concerned in Dallas, or are they just going through a rough patch similar to, say Vancouver's 4 game winless skid a couple weeks ago. Actually that's probably a bad example since the Nucks were actually 0-1-3, but i think you get my point.
Ryan, not sure who it was but i saw highlights of Sutherby getting pummelled by someone but it couldn't have been Burrish if he got in a fight 4 mins in (unless he pummelled Sutherby without getting a penalty?).
As for Dallas, i'm gonna say it's just a bad stretch of games with a struggling d and goalie situation, one that no doubt they'll soon correct and be back to winning their share of games. |
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ryan93
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 19:22:05
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Originally posted by Alex116
Ryan, not sure who it was but i saw highlights of Sutherby getting pummelled by someone but it couldn't have been Burrish if he got in a fight 4 mins in (unless he pummelled Sutherby without getting a penalty?).
As for Dallas, i'm gonna say it's just a bad stretch of games with a struggling d and goalie situation, one that no doubt they'll soon correct and be back to winning their share of games.
Not to mention the fact they play on the same team That 3rd fight should say Sutherby/McQuaid. 2 of the 3 fights to start the game featured fellow-PEI boys (Ott, McQuaid). We were well represented in the game, with Richards also playing! |
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T-RAV
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 04:25:45
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Did you see Sutherby crumple. Man I hope I never get punched that hard. McQuaid hit him with a combo and the second last shot was the one that did him in.
The last poke was already on its way when Sutherby was on his way down. I knew Boston had a good club, but didn't realize they were so aggressive/tough. Good game from what I saw in highlights.
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Oilearl
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Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 06:46:31
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| I think they are in a slump and IMO it's better to go through a rough patch in Jan/Feb than April. Looks like they may be squeezing the sticks and seems the bounces that went their way earlier are not now. Still believe they will end up as first in their division. |
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ToXXiK1
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 07:20:04
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I'm hoping today that Coli throws the book at Paille !
That hit was totally a blinside hit and not needed as the dallas player wa surrounded by Bruins. I've forgotten his name, but word is broken nose and seperated shoulder. Hope he's suspended for the rest of the year.
"Hockey is a man's game. The team with the most real men wins.” - Brian Burke |
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 08:22:01
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Originally posted by ryan93
Not to mention the fact they play on the same team
LOL, i didn't catch that part! Too funny.
I only saw a brief package of hilights from the game (mostly the fights). Was it just me or is Dallas slumping in the fighting department too? Seems the Boston guys pummelled them in every fight?
Tox, i agree, that was a nasty hit by Paille. Prob need a new thread to discuss that one! |
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ryan93
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Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 09:03:19
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| I wasn't even aware of the hit until reading your post Toxx, so i just watched it on youtube...nasty! It's the exact type of hit the NHL is trying to get rid of, similar to hits like Cooke on Savard & M.Richards on Booth last year. It'll be interesting to see how many games Paille will get. |
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ryan93
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Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 09:12:12
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| Paille suspended 4 games. |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 09:13:06
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by ryan93
Not to mention the fact they play on the same team
LOL, i didn't catch that part! Too funny.
I only saw a brief package of hilights from the game (mostly the fights). Was it just me or is Dallas slumping in the fighting department too? Seems the Boston guys pummelled them in every fight?
Tox, i agree, that was a nasty hit by Paille. Prob need a new thread to discuss that one!
They didn't dominate the first fight, Ott split open Campbells face pretty good.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Alex116
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 12:39:19
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Originally posted by Canucks Man
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by ryan93
Not to mention the fact they play on the same team
LOL, i didn't catch that part! Too funny.
I only saw a brief package of hilights from the game (mostly the fights). Was it just me or is Dallas slumping in the fighting department too? Seems the Boston guys pummelled them in every fight?
Tox, i agree, that was a nasty hit by Paille. Prob need a new thread to discuss that one!
They didn't dominate the first fight, Ott split open Campbells face pretty good.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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Dallas Stars and the rest of the season 
