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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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 Posted - 01/30/2011 : 21:09:29
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Below is a link to a bunch of polls that CBC's Hockey Night in Canada and the NHLPA did with the players around the league. There's a video clip that looks to be from the All Star game where they discuss some of the questions, but there's a whole bunch of others. Some pretty interesting answers/results! A couple that stood out for me was "who's the most underrated player" and the answer was Frans Nielsen. Only 5%, but that's still pretty interesting seeing as he's an unknown to most! The other was "which coach would you least like to play for"? Answer was Ron Wilson at 24%! Maybe TO really ought to consider getting rid of this guy?
The polls.......
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/allstar/poll/
ETA: Odd, i looked up the underrated poll on the link above and it lists Loui Eriksson at 5.4% as the highest?
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Edited by - Alex116 on 01/30/2011 21:14:46
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 01/30/2011 : 21:12:41
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A surprising one would have to be this:
Should the instigator rule be abolished???
Answer: NO - 66% |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/30/2011 : 22:41:34
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The TOR media also highlighted the fact that TOR is the 4th least appealing team to play for full-time - while that makes some sense given the record they have, it flies in the face of some other TOR fans here that think some UFA's will be tripping over each other trying to sign first in Toronto this coming summer.
I have often wondered whether players shun Montreal and Toronto just because of the ridiculous media spotlight there, perhaps it is correct to a degree? Players can sign anywhere they want once they go UFA, and it would not surprise me if a great many of them wanted to shun the extra pressure and sign in a smaller market. You're going to make your 5M no matter what, why not go somewhere where you can have a normal life outside of hockey too. |
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Lunchbox
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 01/30/2011 : 23:39:16
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I think some other interesting ones are the teams players would like to play for the least. NYI are no surprise (at 27%), but I didn't expect Edmonton to be so high (20%). I guess the players weren't thinking long term, or they don't believe all the hype going on in Edmonton. It makes you wonder if all the talk about free agents and players wanting out of Edmonton has some real truth to it.
No surprise on who players want to play for the most. I think most people would have guessed Detroit. Im surprised that Pittsburgh wasn't in the top 5, considering that Bylsma was rated top coach.
I think another funny one was the most overrated team. Washington is no surprise, but Vancouver and Philidelphia making the top five? I guess having the best record in the league, and one team making it to the Stanley Cup finals isn't enough to keep you from being overrated. Maybe players were thinking a little more long term on this one.
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 01/30/2011 : 23:58:34
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Lunchbox....i wasn't surprised to see Edm up there on the least appealing list as i think a lot of the guys voting weren't looking so much to the actual teams and their history, but as a city and location to live. Prob a little of both i guess and it seems cold weather smaller cities like Edm take a beating in a poll like that because of those things.
As for Vancouver being "over rated", i'm sure they're very much like Wash and SJ. Been pretty good for a few years, but haven't come close to getting it done! Philly's a bit of a surprise to me though?
Nuxfan.....there's a huge drop off after Edm so it's not that TO is really all that disliked (as a place to play). TO is at 5% and Fla is at 2%, who knows who was close to those numbers? Also, i noticed in one poll i looked at that they mentioned a player or place (can't remember) in the writeup that followed and said it was 2nd or 3rd, yet didn't have them actually "listed". I'm wondering if the 4 runner ups below the leading vote getter were actually numbers 2, 3, 4 & 5 or if they're just one's put in there that look to be interesting? |
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Alex116
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Lunchbox
Top Prospect
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 00:46:25
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Originally posted by Alex116
Also, i noticed in one poll i looked at that they mentioned a player or place (can't remember) in the writeup that followed and said it was 2nd or 3rd, yet didn't have them actually "listed". I'm wondering if the 4 runner ups below the leading vote getter were actually numbers 2, 3, 4 & 5 or if they're just one's put in there that look to be interesting?
I noticed this as well on the Least liked cities. Montreal was mentioned in the same sentence as Toronto, but not on the stats list itself. |
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 05:26:12
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Originally posted by nuxfan
The TOR media also highlighted the fact that TOR is the 4th least appealing team to play for full-time - while that makes some sense given the record they have, it flies in the face of some other TOR fans here that think some UFA's will be tripping over each other trying to sign first in Toronto this coming summer.
Which Toronto fans on this site think that UFA will be "tripping over each other" to come to Toronto? I can't think of one regiatered user saying that . . . in fact, most of us have made the point and are fully cognisant of the hightened media attention, the losing team, etc contributing as a potential negative in many player's minds. Our media is like the one for baseball in New York . . . you COULD be a superstar like no other, and be the king of the city (Wendel Clarke, Dougie Gilmour, Cujo) - or, you could become a bum in a matter of seconds (list too long!). It's vicious, and not a lot of players can handle that heat.
I am also not surprised at Wilson being the least-liked coach . . . not surprised at all.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 06:10:10
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Originally posted by slozo
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Originally posted by nuxfan
The TOR media also highlighted the fact that TOR is the 4th least appealing team to play for full-time - while that makes some sense given the record they have, it flies in the face of some other TOR fans here that think some UFA's will be tripping over each other trying to sign first in Toronto this coming summer.
Which Toronto fans on this site think that UFA will be "tripping over each other" to come to Toronto? I can't think of one regiatered user saying that . . . in fact, most of us have made the point and are fully cognisant of the hightened media attention, the losing team, etc contributing as a potential negative in many player's minds. Our media is like the one for baseball in New York . . . you COULD be a superstar like no other, and be the king of the city (Wendel Clarke, Dougie Gilmour, Cujo) - or, you could become a bum in a matter of seconds (list too long!). It's vicious, and not a lot of players can handle that heat.
I am also not surprised at Wilson being the least-liked coach . . . not surprised at all.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Really Slozo??? Really??? I guess you have missed all the talk about Brad Richards going to Toronto in the offseason??? How about the talk starting about not moving Kaberle unless the deal is right because TO can just resign him in the off season?? Some of it is wishful thinking and while some of it is entitlement.
I am not surprised that Edmonton is not a favorite place for the players. I live here and trust me when I say that few places are worse in winter. It's -29 without the wind this morning!! In 10 days through January we got more snow than we had all of last year. It's not fun. Also, even though there often some very ignorant and narrow-minded views of what Edmonton offers, no one can argue that it is as cosmopolitan as other cities. Edmonton is pretty blue collar and obviously many NHLer's don't like that. Finally, the Edmonton fan base and media are brutal. Maybe not a bad as TO or MONT but still pretty friggin bad.
So, you are a UFA this summer and you know all this, do you want to come to Edmonton??? |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 06:19:25
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Here's an interesting one:
What team is the most over-rated??
1 - Washington @ 35%
2 - Vancouver @ 12%
3 - Montreal @11%
4 - San Jose @ 10%
5 - Philadelphia @ 4%
Wow. No one believes the hype in Washington. Add this result together with the, "Who would you build a team around" with Ovechkin just getting 2% compared to the head and shoulders leader(Crosby) at 69% is interested.
Really shocked to see Vancouver at #2 on the list. |
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 06:20:41
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I really hope you didn't just try to compare Toronto and Edmonton there, Beans. Sure sounded like it.
And fans making imaginary trades and wishing for elite players to come to their city does not, in fact, mean that they think the players all want to come to Toronto. Those are two different things.
We do have the least-liked coach in the entire NHL, btw. I am sure that if the poll was conducted while Dougie Gilmour was here and Pat Burns was coaching in 92/93, it'd be a much different result. We all know about and recognise the trash-talking media here, going over everyone with a microscope, yes; but being able to play with an elite player, on a winning team, playing for a solid coach . . . these play a much bigger part in it, I am guessing.
Despite Edmonton's foul weather, and small-town stature compareably . . . if the poll were done in 1987, I'd wager every player would be, in fact, tripping over themselves to play with #99 back in the day.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 08:11:15
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Slozo, i don't like to speak for others and i'm sure nuxfan will clarify this, but i'm pretty sure he was using the "tripping over each other...." in a tongue in cheek kinda way.
Beans.... I mentioned elsewhere that i wasn't surprised to see Vancouver on that overrated list. Again, until they proceed past the 2nd round, and maybe even to the cup, they'll likely be considered underachievers (like SJ) and / or overrated! With Philly being "up there" on that list, it tells me just making the final might not be enough? 
BTW, i give you and all Edmontonians credit for being able to survive those temps! Man, i itch to get outta here every winter for Mexico, Cuba, Hawaii, etc just to get away from the lows of -5 (with no wind) and rain! Seriously don't think i could survive months of that kind of weather! |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 09:14:48
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I too am surprised to see VAN as #2 in the overrated department. As Alex said, I suppose we have to get beyond the second round in the playoffs to get any real respect, no matter how well we do in the regular season - fair enough. The top 4 are all teams that do well in the regular season but until now have had relatively little success in the post season. What really got me was PHI in the #5 spot - last year's cup finalist and current NHL leader overrated? Perhaps spots 5-30 are all around the same thing...
LOL, apologies Slozo, it was sort of tongue-in-cheek, I realize not every TOR fan thinks that UFA's will be lining up to play in Toronto next year. Duke certainly seems to, and probably a few guests - perhaps they say it often enough for it to seem like you all believe it. Hey, what thread would be complete if we didn't take the time to poke a bit of fun at the Leafs? 
Having lived in EDM for 10 years back in the late 80's and 90's, I can safely concur with Beans that it is a horrible place to exist between November and April. Its pretty isolated from other cities, and relatively small compared to other cities as well. Its not surprising that players don't want to live there. However, TOR and MTL - you have to wonder if the media pressure plays into the undesirability of the city. There was Mark Spector bit on sportsnet this morning that featured a lot of quotes from Rod Brind'Amour, that essentially confirmed it was indeed the case. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 09:48:03
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Most difficult goalie to score on:
1. Luongo (17%)
2. Miller (16)
3. Thomas (15)
4. Lundqvist (14.5)
5. Kipper (4)
As good as Luongo is, I'm surprised that he is considered THE hardest goalie to score on in the entire NHL. |
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 10:03:20
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Yeah, for me the biggest surprise was Luongo being the hardest to score on.
Does anyone remember Luongo being voted most overrated last year? This is why I thought it was quite odd, considering. I would have guessed Miller, Lundqvist and Thomas were all above him, especially this year . . .
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 11:13:51
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Think i read somewhere that just over 300 guys were polled? That's only a portion of the league and you have to wonder how accurate something like these polls are because of this?
Also, i'm surprised too that Luongo was on top but really when you look at the top 4, there's little between them as far as votes. So close, they may as all be #1 on the list! |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 19:39:14
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I'm sure things like this don't impress players either, or go far in recruiting new players: http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2011/01/31/17104631.html.
I'd be surprised if this happens anywhere else in the league? At least in VAN they give players underground parking... |
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Beans15
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Posted - 01/31/2011 : 20:40:41
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300 guys being polled is HUGE compared to most surveys. In many nationally accepted polls the sample size is around 2000 people in a country of 30+ million. 300 of 600+ players is a massive sample.
And no Slozo, I was not trying to compare Edmonton to Toronto. I was simply saying that if a guy can play in say, New York or LA over Edmonton it really isn't an option. You pointed out a different time of the NHL and you are correct. TO in the early 90's would have been a great place to play and most players would have tripped over themselves to play with Gretzky. But even back then, if players were given the choice to play with Gretzky in Edmonton or Gretzky in LA it would have been no contest.
In this age of the NHL, players who are on a team for 5 years are rare. Players in the 10+ years on one team is even more rare. Today, it's more than the game to these guys and living in a place like Edmonton is an aquired taste. Most players who have played here have enjoyed the time however it's still Edmonton. I have yet to find a human being who wants to wake up to -30 weather.
Anyone else surprised to see that 6% of the NHL players would build a team around a 40+ year old Nik Lidstrom??? |
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The Duke
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Canada
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Posted - 02/01/2011 : 20:15:15
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Nuxfan, hasn`t Luongo not lost a game in regulation for something like 20 straight games ??...not too shabby
sure i read that somewhere...
Beans i agree with Slozo`s comments on your UFA comments of Toronto. Where did any leaf fan say Brad Richards IS COMING to Toronto ? Sure we ALL said we`d love for him to come to Toronto. When Dallas played in Toronto, during an interview with CBC he indicated he would very much consider TO as a definite destination if he doesn1t resign with Dallas. This comment was what sparked a lot of this Richards to the leafs.
On the Kaberle signing back with Toronto comment, who said this ? I know i sure never and i read pretty much all leaf content here. 99 % of kaberle talk has been ...what can the leafs get for him ?...not ever can i recall much debate on re-signing him, it may have been mentioned somewhere, but not much conversation about it. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 02/01/2011 : 20:41:37
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Nuxfan, hasn`t Luongo not lost a game in regulation for something like 20 straight games ??...not too shabby
sure i read that somewhere...
He has not lost in regulation since Dec 5 vs STL - but to be fair, its not like he's only allowing one goal a game, and its not like he's been doing that all year long. The poll wasn't only for the last 20 games. |
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doublechamp7
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Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 13:20:02
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The most suprising for me- 53% of players think Quebec City deserves to be the next Canadian City to get a team, 25% said Winnipeg and only 5% said Hamilton. QUEBEC DOESN'T HAVE AN ARENA!
Bring back the Jets! |
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Canucks Man
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Canada
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 15:37:20
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Originally posted by doublechamp7
The most suprising for me- 53% of players think Quebec City deserves to be the next Canadian City to get a team, 25% said Winnipeg and only 5% said Hamilton. QUEBEC DOESN'T HAVE AN ARENA!
Bring back the Jets!
Well the question was deserved not who can start one tomorrow.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
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