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Guest4943
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 Posted - 03/07/2007 : 16:15:32
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Poll Question:
who do you say is the best defencemen in Canada?
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 16:26:24
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By "in Canada" I hope you mean "on a Canadian team" because Thomas Kaberle is not Canadian.
Anyway, I said Phaneuf. |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 16:35:14
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Yeah, Matty Ohlund isnt canadian either, but he's my vote
CANUCKS RULE!! |
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Guest4944
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 16:36:57
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I was refering to playing for a Canadian team.
Im a Toronto fan you except some stupied things from me |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
2918 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 16:38:49
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quote:
Originally posted by Guest4944
IIm a Toronto fan you except some stupied things from me
Ah, he admits! Lol
Yeah Ohlund's Swedish, forgot to mention him |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 16:41:59
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I can't believe Phaneuf is even on this list.
He is gifted offensively and has some great hits, but defensively he's a huge sieve. |
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2417 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 17:02:29
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Wade Redden.
I would describe Souray the exact same way TC did Phaneuf. Redden is a just a great all-around player with amazing vision and even better stretch passes. Him and Zubov have to be the two best at those. |
Edited by - bablaboushka on 03/07/2007 17:02:52 |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 17:10:20
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| Phaneuf is a sieve?? Wow. He's 9th in the league for minutes and is still 11th on +/-. Are you sure you are thinking about Dion and not Cynthia?? |
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2417 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 17:24:15
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| Not sure I understand that... |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
8286 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 17:38:12
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| The fellow above said that Dion Phaneuf is weak. I was simply stating he is very high on +/- while playing a lot of minutes. This indicates to me he is not weak, but quite solid. |
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semin-rules
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1915 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 17:41:05
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I would say Sheldon Souray..
ps. Always put an "Other" option
~~~~~GO STARS~~~~~ |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
931 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 17:45:23
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quote:
Originally posted by Beans15
Phaneuf is a sieve?? Wow. He's 9th in the league for minutes and is still 11th on +/-. Are you sure you are thinking about Dion and not Cynthia??
My good friend/rival is a huge Flames fan so I'm forced to endure watching them play far too often. Trust me, Phaneuf makes bonehead defensive plays like you would not believe. He's still very young, so he has the time to learn that part of the game, but he's not close yet. As for his +19, that's largely inflated due to the style of game the Flames play and very good goaltending. He's even 3rd on the +/- depth-chart on his own team.
Ok, maybe 'sieve' was too strong as he is not horrible.. but put in the context when we are discussing 'Best Defensemen', he is a 'relative sieve' at the moment. ;)
I like Phaneuf, and would love to have him on my team. I think he's got an incredibly bright future. Just currently, of all the aspects of his game, he has to work on his positioning, one-on-one coverage, and the 'thinking' part of the game a lot more to move up my rankings. |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
2918 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 17:59:41
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quote:
Originally posted by tctitans
Trust me, Phaneuf makes bonehead defensive plays like you would not believe.....he has to work on his positioning, one-on-one coverage, and the 'thinking' part of the game.
He also needs to stop doing this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71FqkDMV1c
I think Phaneuf has the potential to improve from here in the seasons to come. I put him on my GOAT team because of his offensive talent, his potential as a defenseman, and his high +/- . Btw, about the "good goaltending" you say the Flames have--I'm sure babs will be glad to differ on that |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
931 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 18:20:03
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Originally posted by Mikhailova
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Originally posted by tctitans
Trust me, Phaneuf makes bonehead defensive plays like you would not believe.....he has to work on his positioning, one-on-one coverage, and the 'thinking' part of the game.
He also needs to stop doing this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71FqkDMV1c
I think Phaneuf has the potential to improve from here in the seasons to come. I put him on my GOAT team because of his offensive talent, his potential as a defenseman, and his high +/- . Btw, about the "good goaltending" you say the Flames have--I'm sure babs will be glad to differ on that
Calgary still gets excellent goaltending. Sure, they dont play the complete trap any more, so Kipper has to try and save a few more difficult shots than he's used to, but they can certainly not fault him for their team woes.
GP W L OTL GAA SV%
Miikka Kiprusoff 60 33 18 8 2.37 .919
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Guest6916
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 18:35:24
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quote:
Originally posted by Mikhailova
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Originally posted by tctitans
Trust me, Phaneuf makes bonehead defensive plays like you would not believe.....he has to work on his positioning, one-on-one coverage, and the 'thinking' part of the game.
He also needs to stop doing this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v71FqkDMV1c
...Btw, about the "good goaltending" you say the Flames have--I'm sure babs will be glad to differ on that ...
Mik, I'm not sure babs can say anything about goaltending from the way his goalies have been playing of late. Kipper has been better than both of them.
TCT I like your assessment of Kippers tending but I'm not sure I would say that the Flames have been experiencing "woes" lately??? But this may be the wrong forum to discuss it.
Phaneuf is young and will need time but I watch a fair amount of games and his positioning is pretty good. Certainly his offense is his strength at this time but +19 is pretty nice. |
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jbraiter
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/07/2007 : 18:52:11
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I think Bieksa Hes doin amazing this year but i would go with souray hes doin just a bit better |
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2417 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 18:59:39
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Originally posted by Guest6916
Mik, I'm not sure babs can say anything about goaltending from the way his goalies have been playing of late. Kipper has been better than both of them.
Oh no. Oooooooh no. OOOOOOOOOH NO YOU DIDN'T!!! I know who you are now so you won't be hiding!
Ok, I'm going to stay brief on this because it is off topic. Miikka Kiprusoff has a Win% of 0.550. Let's see some goalies who have BETTER Win%'s:
Johan Holmqvist
Andrew Raycroft
Ray Emery
Martin Biron... To name a few. Yet Miikka Kiprusoff is considered an elite goalie and not one of these guys is? I couldn't care less about GAA and SV% because it's not wins, it's just side stats. Doesn't that spell overrated? Sure Nabokov has played badly the last two years and that's simply because he's not as good as he used to be, but he's still pretty good for a backup. Heck, he has two back-to-back shutouts and in 23 games less than Kippersucks, he has the same amount of SO, which happens to be 2nd-best in the league.
Don't get me started on comparing Toskala to Kippersucks. Toskala has the best Win% of any goalie IN THE LEAGUE, YEAH BETTER THAN BRODEUR AND LUONGO (0.686) and he gets no credit. I know he hasn't played as many games but he's been injured lately. He's still played 35 games, which means that it's no fluke that his record is so good, he can do it. Let's see how well Calgary does with McLennan in net 60% of the time, then you'll appreciate San Jose's goalie duo.
Souray blows. |
Edited by - bablaboushka on 03/07/2007 19:00:37 |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
931 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 19:13:40
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Originally posted by bablaboushka
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Originally posted by Guest6916
Mik, I'm not sure babs can say anything about goaltending from the way his goalies have been playing of late. Kipper has been better than both of them.
Oh no. Oooooooh no. OOOOOOOOOH NO YOU DIDN'T!!! I know who you are now so you won't be hiding!
Ok, I'm going to stay brief on this because it is off topic. Miikka Kiprusoff has a Win% of 0.550. Let's see some goalies who have BETTER Win%'s:
Johan Holmqvist
Andrew Raycroft
Ray Emery
Martin Biron... To name a few. Yet Miikka Kiprusoff is considered an elite goalie and not one of these guys is? I couldn't care less about GAA and SV% because it's not wins, it's just side stats. Doesn't that spell overrated? Sure Nabokov has played badly the last two years and that's simply because he's not as good as he used to be, but he's still pretty good for a backup. Heck, he has two back-to-back shutouts and in 23 games less than Kippersucks, he has the same amount of SO, which happens to be 2nd-best in the league.
Don't get me started on comparing Toskala to Kippersucks. Toskala has the best Win% of any goalie IN THE LEAGUE, YEAH BETTER THAN BRODEUR AND LUONGO (0.686) and he gets no credit. I know he hasn't played as many games but he's been injured lately. He's still played 35 games, which means that it's no fluke that his record is so good, he can do it. Let's see how well Calgary does with McLennan in net 60% of the time, then you'll appreciate San Jose's goalie duo.
Souray blows.
P.S. I started a new thread |
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Buddyno2000
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
606 Posts |
Posted - 03/07/2007 : 19:41:32
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How can anyone say Souray?, just like McCabe he gets to much credit because he's a good offensive D, but they're just simply bad on the defensive side of the puck.
Go leafs Go by the way |
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Saku Steen
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1102 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 03:58:33
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| Dion Phaneuf is the best! |
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1393 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 17:17:08
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Souray or Phaneuf i like Souray because of his shot and really good at power play and same with Phaneuf one of those two.
GO Sabres GO!!!!!! |
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2417 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2007 : 17:50:38
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| Ok, so they should be forwards... |
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Guest4040
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Posted - 03/08/2007 : 19:21:07
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| ohlund is very underrated. sure, he may not rack up the points but hes getting a respectable 27 points. If you watch this guy during his games he has such a great feel reading plays. Everytime theres a chance for the other team you always hear ohlunds name breaking up the play with either hsi stick or his shot blocking. he is by far the best defenseman the canucks ever had up to date |
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Patchy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
529 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2007 : 15:20:34
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Offensivly, I think Sheldon Souray is the best. But overall it has to be the great Tomas Kaberle...so silky smooth. lol.
~~Go Leafs Go~~ |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
931 Posts |
Posted - 03/09/2007 : 15:30:30
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| To be totally honest.. I don't have a really good answer here. There is not a single D man playing for a Canadian team that I think that has the overall gumption to be thought of as the 'best'. There are a heckuva lotta very good dmen, but an elite-elite? Nope.. |
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Best defencemen in Canada 
