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Utemin
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 Posted - 06/08/2011 : 20:01:34
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Poll Question:
how many games will marchands brutal punch followed by a very late after whistle hit on daniel?
Don't hate me because i'm Beautiful
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Edited by - Utemin on 06/08/2011 20:01:57
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 20:26:23
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Hmmmm, maybe we were watching a different game. I saw Marchard clearly get his hand wrapped around the Canucks defenders face/neck when he was trying to dance around him on the forecheck. Then, I clearly watched Marchand duck under Sedin after the whistle. Now, before all the Orca blinded people jump all over me, both plays were illegal and both were penalized accordingly. However, a suspension on either play would be pathetic. By simple physicals, Sedin would not have gone junk over tea kettle when Marchand ducked unless he was intending on taking him into the boards. After the whistle. Remember that???
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Open_Ice
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 20:26:56
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| You may be disappointed... |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 20:28:45
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| suspension? that would be even more surprising than Rome's 4 gamer. |
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Guest4007
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 20:35:22
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There is no way Marchand can possibly be suspended. If anything Henrik should for attempting a late hit.
If Shanahan were to suspend Marchand at this point, i think that would put a quick end to his new job!! |
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Guest9279
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 20:46:12
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| Suspend Burrows, he's a biter and a rat |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 23:55:47
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I chose to burn you at the stake. Please, someone start the fire.  |
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Sensfan101
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 13:01:28
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This is maybe the dumbest poll ever
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky |
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 14:39:53
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I never saw the play, and am hoping that the 'brutal punch' description wasn't derived from the player, purportedly being punched, having his head snap back, making it look like what has been argued , as logistically, physically and more importantly, magically, impossible.
I'm just saying.
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 14:45:39
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
I never saw the play, and am hoping that the 'brutal punch' description wasn't derived from the player, purportedly being punched, having his head snap back, making it look like what has been argued , as logistically, physically and more importantly, magically, impossible.
I'm just saying.
FER, if it's the play i believe he's referring to, it wasn't even a punch. It was called a hold and was simply Marchand getting his arm up while trying to get by Ehrhoff who was coming across his body. More of a minor close line than anything, but not a punch! |
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leigh
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 15:48:07
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There is no possibility of a suspension. Sorry Utemin. Here's how I saw it breakdown....
1) The initial play was just interference as he jumped over Ehrhoff and pulled his shoulder to throw him off his balance, ultimately looked like a little clothesline. No suspension there.
2) Daniel ran Marchand and he just ducked - Daniel's plan backfired. No suspension there.
3) And the minor melee afterward was sorted out nicely by the refs. No suspensions.
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 15:58:00
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Originally posted by leigh
2) Daniel ran Marchand and he just ducked - Daniel's plan backfired. No suspension there.
I dunno about this one. Don't get me wrong, def no suspension needed, but it was still a dangerous move to submarine a guy like that! Also, i'm not sure Daniel was gonna really run him, i mean, this is a Sedin we're talking about!!! When was the last time you saw a Sedin run a guy AFTER the whistle? Lol.
In fairness to Marchand, he may not have had time to recognize who it was, was prob expecting retaliation and all, but still not the safest / cleanest way to protect yourself. I guess what i'm saying is, if it were Burrows who did it, he'd be a cheap shot artist / douche bag!  |
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Guest7618
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 16:01:27
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This is a dumb poll, from a typical poor loser Canucks fan. I'm from Van City and nucks fans are the biggest whiners and so are the players.
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fat_elvis_rocked
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 17:00:06
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Egads....someone please tell me they got it.....
What else do I need to add? The punch missed his head and got him in the neck????
By the way Alex, Burrows didn't need the extra incentive last night, that classless, slashing of Thomas' stick and then the ensuing scrum he started gives him all the fodder he needs to keep his level of D-baggedness full. I haven't seen that move since pee-wee. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/09/2011 : 17:08:26
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Originally posted by fat_elvis_rocked
Egads....someone please tell me they got it.....
What else do I need to add? The punch missed his head and got him in the neck????
By the way Alex, Burrows didn't need the extra incentive last night, that classless, slashing of Thomas' stick and then the ensuing scrum he started gives him all the fodder he needs to keep his level of D-baggedness full. I haven't seen that move since pee-wee.
Trust me FER, i "got" your jest. I assumed you still wanted an idea of what the "punch" actually was like.
As for Burrows, to each their own. When someone doesn't like someone or the way they play, it's hard to change their mind. I've always said, he's a guy you'd want on your team but hate on another team, especially a team you hate! Here's another example of what i'm getting at, if the entire series was turned on it's head, and Marchand was the one chopping at Luongo's stick, those cheering for the B's would probably be going on about what a great idea it was to try to get him off his game. Tis' the way it's always been. Hate a team, you'll hate'em for a long time and that's just the way it is. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 05:30:57
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by leigh
2) Daniel ran Marchand and he just ducked - Daniel's plan backfired. No suspension there.
I dunno about this one. Don't get me wrong, def no suspension needed, but it was still a dangerous move to submarine a guy like that! Also, i'm not sure Daniel was gonna really run him, i mean, this is a Sedin we're talking about!!! When was the last time you saw a Sedin run a guy AFTER the whistle? Lol.
In fairness to Marchand, he may not have had time to recognize who it was, was prob expecting retaliation and all, but still not the safest / cleanest way to protect yourself. I guess what i'm saying is, if it were Burrows who did it, he'd be a cheap shot artist / douche bag!
Umm, when was the last time a Sedin ran someone after the play?? How about game 3 when Daniel got booted??? Don't hide behind that, 'It's the Sedin's, they don't do that stuff" ideal. Marchard was stationary or very close to it when Sedin went tumbling over. How does that happen if Sedin is not going to take Marchard into the boards??
Now, don't get me wrong. It was a dangerous play on Marchand part and I think Sedin was just taking him into the boards to give him a little chat and maybe a face wash. But let's not act like Sedin was a Saint in this case. Not even close. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 09:46:34
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Originally posted by Beans15
Umm, when was the last time a Sedin ran someone after the play?? How about game 3 when Daniel got booted??? Don't hide behind that, 'It's the Sedin's, they don't do that stuff" ideal. Marchard was stationary or very close to it when Sedin went tumbling over. How does that happen if Sedin is not going to take Marchard into the boards??
Now, don't get me wrong. It was a dangerous play on Marchand part and I think Sedin was just taking him into the boards to give him a little chat and maybe a face wash. But let's not act like Sedin was a Saint in this case. Not even close.
I guess you and i must have different opinions on what "running a guy" is. Sure, Daniel was prob gonna bump him and possibly have some words, but when i say "run a guy", i mean actually throw a hit that could do some damage or at least enough of one to knock a guy down. I really don't think that was Daniel's intent there but i guess we'll never know for sure. Maybe this was the first time in his life where he was gonna go all Mike Liambas on Marchand and try to end his career. Anythings possible i guess?
The part i had the prob with is the submarine tactic. Had Marchand stood up to him and dropped him like Thomas did his bro, i'd have had no problem with that. But to go low on a guy like that is dangerous, that's all i'm saying, which you appear to agree with. |
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leigh
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 10:27:42
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If you go at a guy after the whistle you can't expect him to know what you are going to do, especially if you're nearly stationary (everyone knows that you'll get the worst of it if you're at a stand still) Sedin didn't have innocent intentions as you could see by his body language. Ducking under an aggressor is not abnormal and Marchand is a small guy so that is the result that you get; by the way, the biggest result was really just embarassment for Daniel. Marchand fought fire with fire and this time he won, next time it might be a different story.
On a side note, if part of Marchand's job is to be a pest then if you have an opportunity to get an opponents best player off his game because he's being a jerk then you pretty much have a golden invitation. It's not like Marchand picked Daniel out of a crowd and went after him, the golden ticket was handed to him by Daniel himself. Sedin should leave that stuff to others or be ready for the consequences (which by the way I'm sure he does accept, and good for him!) I'm not sure why some are so surprised at this. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 10:32:44
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| Leigh....i'm not surprised by it in the least, and like i said, the ONLY issue i had was the "take him out low" mentality. Granted, he didn't have time to think about it or maybe not even know who was coming, but i prefer to see a guy stand up to a guy and throw a shoulder into him at a time like that. True, nothing came of it except embarrassment to Daniel, especially IN Boston, but would we be talking differently if he blew his knee out or Daniel's head smacked the boards or the ice? Maybe? Again, not harping on Marchand, i like most of his game. |
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leigh
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 14:41:08
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Originally posted by Alex116
Leigh....i'm not surprised by it in the least, and like i said, the ONLY issue i had was the "take him out low" mentality. Granted, he didn't have time to think about it or maybe not even know who was coming, but i prefer to see a guy stand up to a guy and throw a shoulder into him at a time like that. True, nothing came of it except embarrassment to Daniel, especially IN Boston, but would we be talking differently if he blew his knee out or Daniel's head smacked the boards or the ice? Maybe? Again, not harping on Marchand, i like most of his game.
Hey Alex we do agree on a lot of things but I'm not with you on this one my good virtual friend. Your comment about a guy standing up and taking it is true when you're a big guy. But how come when a big guy takes out a small guy by punching him or brute forcing him it's acceptable but when a small guy uses his size to his advantage it's dirty? I find it very hypocritical (I'm 5'8" so I have experienced this first hand through my illustrious career  ) Daniel went down because he was attempting to HIT Marchand and he was able to duck under the hit.
Here it is again...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06psuTFVFD4 Daniel was running him after the whistle. He paid the price for his foolish actions - all within the heat of the moment - meaning that nothing in the entire situation was premeditated and was entirely reactionary by all players. It's professional hockey. I love it! |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 15:06:10
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Leigh, i see your point and i guess if we allow hip checking in the game, i suppose this isn't much different? Or, was this clipping ? Lol.
I guess i'm just stuck on the fact that it was Daniel Sedin and i really don't think there was much of a hit coming. I can't bring myself to believe that Daniel was gonna try to throw anything serious, until i see him do it at least once! If he was gonna try to hammer him through the glass, then even better, i'd have loved to have seen it!!!
Either way, i wasn't implying that Marchand is dirty, cheap, etc, just that i feel the hit was "dangerous". I stand by what i said earlier - "In fairness to Marchand, he may not have had time to recognize who it was, was prob expecting retaliation and all, but still not the safest / cleanest way to protect yourself. I guess what i'm saying is, if it were Burrows who did it, he'd be a cheap shot artist / douche bag!" |
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leigh
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Posted - 06/10/2011 : 16:22:59
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Originally posted by Alex116
....was prob expecting retaliation and all,
I do agree with this, I think Marchand was expecting it to be a big retaliation and probably jacked it up a notch. But really all he did was duck. Clearly Sedin was throwing himself at him, if he wasn't he wouldn't have gone flying like he did.
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Originally posted by Alex116...I guess what i'm saying is, if it were Burrows who did it, he'd be a cheap shot artist / douche bag!"
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