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Guest4178
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 Posted - 06/15/2011 : 08:59:25
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One thing we know for sure (as pointed out by Roberto Luongo) is that Tim Thomas is very comfortable playing his position outside the "blue paint."
Luongo's comfort level is more attuned to staying in the crease, which is no surprise, because in this series, Luongo has definitely proven himself as a goalie who is more comfortable staying home and playing at home.
This bodes well for tonight's game, because Luongo has been great at home in this series, only giving up 2 goals in 3 games. It's too bad that one game can define a goalie, but to repeat what's been said a few times already, if he wins, he gets the monkey off his back. But if he (and Vancouver) loses, he will be considered (by many, but not all) as a goalie who cannot win the big game. This despite the fact he helped Canada win a gold in the 2010 Olympics.
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Alex116
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Posted - 06/15/2011 : 09:18:24
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I disagree, and if the Canucks win tonight (with Luongo in net and no needed help from Schneider), i will almost guarantee you he will still be considered (by many, not all) an average goalie and not one of the top 5-6 in the game. We will be constantly reminded, as will he, that he didn't/couldn't win in Boston, struggled vs Chicago, got blown out in a few games and pulled, etc, etc and that he won because he was on the top team in the league and that Schneider would have done as well or better if given the chance, and so on, and so on.....
I just can't see how any Luongo haters, who don't think he's a great goalie, can change their minds because of 1 game, no matter how big it is. I said this with the Olympics, where he won "the big one" vs a very good US team and all i heard was how he was on Team Canada, didn't steal any games, Brodeur / Fleury woulda done the same or better........and so on......
Problem is, a lot of the Luongo haters, hate him, simple as that. They don't like the cocky attitude he has at times, they don't like the fact that the Canucks experimented with him as captain, they don't like the team he plays for etc.....add all that up and i still don't see many "haters" changing their views of him. Maybe, just maybe, they'll give him a little credit that he can win the big one, but to me, with the Olympic gold and how far the Canucks have gotten to this day, i think he's already proven himself a big game goalie. |
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willus3
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Posted - 06/15/2011 : 09:53:35
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Difference between the two goalies.
Thomas plays his game, always. Aggressive, out of the paint, stays composed, doesn't lose focus.
Luongo can be thrown off his game and lose. He doesn't like moving east/west. When he is forced to he breaks down and falls apart. Problem is he can't put it back together again within that game. It's regroup and try again next game. |
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Posted - 06/15/2011 : 10:44:54
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Originally posted by willus3
Difference between the two goalies.
Thomas plays his game, always. Aggressive, out of the paint, stays composed, doesn't lose focus.
Luongo can be thrown off his game and lose. He doesn't like moving east/west. When he is forced to he breaks down and falls apart. Problem is he can't put it back together again within that game. It's regroup and try again next game.
I think this is close, but I do disagree a bit on Luongo's mental state. He's rebounded from a soft goal to play the rest of the game very tight before . . . game 2 is a prime example of that.
No, I think for whatever reason, Luongo doesn't get as much credit as he should.
I think he'll be good this game, even if he does have to move side to side.
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just1n
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Posted - 06/15/2011 : 11:10:10
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Let's not forget that Tim Thomas let in plenty of goals in the previous series against Tampa, and lost his starting job to a rookie goaltender the year before. Every goalie will have his ups and downs and for whatever reason they seem to be magnified bigtime for Luongo. And to some degree, rightly so - he's been Jekyll and Hyde in this series, putting up massively different numbers between Boston and Vancouver.
Even if he gets a shutout tonight, people will still note how he did not play well in Boston.
Living in Vancouver, it seems like whoever is in net will feel the wraith of the fans and media pretty quickly unless they are posting nothing but shutouts. Dan Cloutier had some good seasons in Van, but I can't say he's remembered fondly in general by fans here. |
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willus3
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Posted - 06/15/2011 : 13:36:16
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Originally posted by slozo
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Originally posted by willus3
Difference between the two goalies.
Thomas plays his game, always. Aggressive, out of the paint, stays composed, doesn't lose focus.
Luongo can be thrown off his game and lose. He doesn't like moving east/west. When he is forced to he breaks down and falls apart. Problem is he can't put it back together again within that game. It's regroup and try again next game.
I think this is close, but I do disagree a bit on Luongo's mental state. He's rebounded from a soft goal to play the rest of the game very tight before . . . game 2 is a prime example of that.
No, I think for whatever reason, Luongo doesn't get as much credit as he should.
I think he'll be good this game, even if he does have to move side to side.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
I didn't say anything about a soft goal. I said get him moving east/west through a game and he doesn't cope well.
Big difference.
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Posted - 06/15/2011 : 16:41:04
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Originally posted by willus3
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Originally posted by slozo
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Originally posted by willus3
Difference between the two goalies.
Thomas plays his game, always. Aggressive, out of the paint, stays composed, doesn't lose focus.
Luongo can be thrown off his game and lose. He doesn't like moving east/west. When he is forced to he breaks down and falls apart. Problem is he can't put it back together again within that game. It's regroup and try again next game.
I think this is close, but I do disagree a bit on Luongo's mental state. He's rebounded from a soft goal to play the rest of the game very tight before . . . game 2 is a prime example of that.
No, I think for whatever reason, Luongo doesn't get as much credit as he should.
I think he'll be good this game, even if he does have to move side to side.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
I didn't say anything about a soft goal. I said get him moving east/west through a game and he doesn't cope well.
Big difference.
Explain the big difference, then.
I say one soft goal perhaps . . . and you say he doesn't cope well when he has to move side to side a lot but doesn't let in any goals? I really don't get what scenario you are getting at, frankly. Two goals let in he doesn't cope well?
Because no matter how badly a goalie might be playing, if he's not letting in goals through whatever sheer luck or the other team's incompetence . . . he'll stay in and that team will win.
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Guest1458
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Posted - 06/17/2011 : 03:45:05
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| Both awesome goalies. I like Thomas more because it's exciting to see guys who take risks at this level and get away with it. So I'd say day to day Luongo would be my man but when Timmy Thomas is at his best, (as he seems to have been all season,) he is very, very hard to beat. |
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Goalie's Comfort Levels 
