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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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 Posted - 06/24/2011 : 19:07:29
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To MIN:
- Setoguchi (just signed to 3yr/9M deal)
- Charlie Coyle
- first round pick
To SJ:
- Burns
- 2nd round pick
I like this deal, again, for both sides - although more for SJ, as they got what they desperately need in Burns. Setoguchi was expendable given the emergence of Coture this year.
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BucketHead
Top Prospect
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Posted - 06/24/2011 : 22:36:10
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| This may be what the wild need, the NHL will be alot different on some teams next year hard to predict to much. |
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Posted - 06/24/2011 : 22:45:22
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I personally don't think San Jose needed a Burns that badly, but maybe that's just me. I bet Burns' numbers take a dip, maybe stay even, just because of Boyle's presence already on that team.
Minny needed scoring, and Setoguchi was a good pick-up - but they lost a very good Burns in the process.
A bit of an odd win, I'll say Minny wins this for now.
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/24/2011 : 22:54:56
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personally don't think San Jose needed a Burns that badly, but maybe that's just me. I bet Burns' numbers take a dip, maybe stay even, just because of Boyle's presence already on that team.
Boyle is 34. Burns is 26. They're going to need someone to carry the puck and play on the PP as Boyle gets older. |
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Posted - 06/25/2011 : 06:41:58
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Boyle at 34 is in a defenceman's prime years - it's not that old, considering that in 5 years, San Jose should have at least one or two solid runs at the cup if they think about it.
I just think sometimes that when you have two very similar style defencemen who should both be eating up a lot of ice-time . .. you don't use up all of your assets, that's all.
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Posted - 06/25/2011 : 09:43:15
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/25/2011 : 10:03:33
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Boyle at 34 is in a defenceman's prime years - it's not that old, considering that in 5 years, San Jose should have at least one or two solid runs at the cup if they think about it.
I agree, but GM's are paid to think about the future as well as the present. 34 is the tail end of prime years, esp for a dman that is leaned on as heavily as Boyle. In 3 years time I don't think he'll be eating up nearly the same minutes or producing at the same level as he is now - but they should now hopefully have Burns, who will be 29 and ready to enter his prime.
In the meantime, having Burns and Boyle together is a good tandem, and Burns is not all offense, he plays a solid and bruising defense as well. Their lack of mobile defensively-minded dman was heavily exposed in the western conference finals vs VAN - SJ were the only team that were unable to contain the Sedin's in any way and they burned them badly. So they made a move to address it. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 10:53:20
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Full moon?? Slozo, I agree completely. if Burns can find an improved form over last season then it is a fair trade for both. However, Boyle will take some ice from Burns and I think his numbers suffer.At 6'5" and 220 lbs, defenders line Burns are not common but neither are scorers in Setoguchi. He puts up 20+ a season and before the last 30ish games of last season he did that mostly on the 2nd and 3rd lines. Let's not forget former 1st rounder Charlie Coyle and another 1st rounder.
This might turn out to be one of those deals where both teams got what they want, but I see this as a pretty big overpay by SJ.
Another things is that I think Minny's top line of Setoguchi, Kouvi, and Havlat should have people in the northwest taking notice. These ain't Lamaire's Wild no more! |
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Leafs81
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 14:38:04
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| I thought it was an overpayment by San Jose. For the reasons that Slozo and Beans pointed out but also Burns had his history with injuries and concussion. He has the potential but he still needs to play a couple of seasons injury free before reaching that potential. |
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Leafs81
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 14:46:01
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| Well I guess last year he was healthy playing in 80 games... One more season of injury free and then he reaches his prime. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 17:56:47
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At 6'5" and 220 lbs, defenders line Burns are not common but neither are scorers in Setoguchi. He puts up 20+ a season and before the last 30ish games of last season he did that mostly on the 2nd and 3rd lines. Let's not forget former 1st rounder Charlie Coyle and another 1st rounder.
Players like Setoguchi don't come along often, but SJ seems to have a lot of those kinds of players. Looking at their forward corps, after trading Setoguchi, they still have:
- Thornton
- Heatley
- Marleau
- Clowe
- Coture
- Pavelski
SJ was positively drowning in offensive talent, if you can't move forward with that top-6 group then you're doing something wrong. With SJ bumping up against the cap (8M to sign another 8 players) and Coture entering the last year of his contract, something had to give. The top3 in SJ have NMC, so they likely had to move one of Clowe, Coture, Pavelski, or Setoguchi.
In exchange for their surplus, they got a great defensive talent in Burns to build around for the future. I still see this as a great deal for both sides, and both teams got something they needed. I think SJ wins this deal because in the end, they can replace Setoguchi, while MIN has a harder time replacing Burns. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 06/26/2011 : 21:40:09
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I agree with that last bit nuxfan, that Minny will have a tougher time replacing Burns than SJ will Setoguchi. Having said that, it's a pretty good deal for both sides.
I still think Burns may step up his play in SJ and surprise a few people. His numbers could slide slightly, but on a more offensive team, they could do the exact opposite too.
Good trade, both ways imo. |
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