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willus3
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 Posted - 03/28/2007 : 19:50:16
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Poll Question:
By comparing the rosters which of these dynasties was the best team?
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ED11
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2007 : 20:08:08
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Oilers!!! Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, Kuri, Anderson!!! Come on!  |
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2007 : 20:14:35
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| Thats easy oilers, with Gretz and Messier and all the rest like seriously there easily the best. |
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andyhack
PickupHockey Pro
Japan
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Posted - 03/28/2007 : 20:32:30
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I went with the Habs (even though they have scarred me for life! - maybe because of that!). Gotta run now so will post reasons next time. But for starters, the defence was awesome, better than those other unbelievable teams. Another key factor for me was Gainey, a unique hockey player. I'll name a few more things before even getting to Lafleur next time.
Anyone check out that link with the famous Habs-Bruin 1979 game by the way - see the post on the Most Exciting Players thread. |
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oil fan97
Rookie
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Posted - 03/28/2007 : 20:41:35
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I'm a big time Oilers fan but I have to go with the Habs because they won 5 Stanley Cups in a row!
Oilers Rule!!! |
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willus3
Moderator
Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 03/28/2007 : 21:17:20
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Schools in fellas. Time for a history lesson.
The Habs Dynasty of the 70's, specifically the 76 team was the best team ever iced in the NHL. There were 9 future hall of famers on that team. NINE!!!!
Talent and skill triumphed over brute violence in 76 when the Canadiens beat the Broad Street Bullies to take the Cup and start a 4 year domination. Here are the HOF's that were on the team:
Guy Lafleur
Yvan Cournoyer
Bob Gainey
Steve Shutt
Jacques Lemaire
Serge Savard
Larry Robinson
Guy Lapointe
Ken Dryden
Then there were other fantastic players who didn't make the HOF such as Pete Mahovlich, Rejean Houle, Doug Risebrough, Mario Tremblay, Doug Jarvis, and Yvon Lambert.
No other team has had this much depth and talent. A potent offense and punishing shut down defense and Dryden in his prime to top it off. For those that said Oilers easily, well it's most likely because you've neglected to bother doing any kind of research. |
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ED11
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2007 : 22:45:25
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| Willus. Why would you even post a question like that and gives us 3 dynasties to choose from and then say something like..."For those that said Oilers easily, well it's most likely because you've neglected to bother doing any kind of research." You're obviously saying that it HAS to be the Habs... |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 03/28/2007 : 23:38:47
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quote:
Originally posted by willus3
Schools in fellas. Time for a history lesson.
The Habs Dynasty of the 70's, specifically the 76 team was the best team ever iced in the NHL. There were 9 future hall of famers on that team. NINE!!!!
Talent and skill triumphed over brute violence in 76 when the Canadiens beat the Broad Street Bullies to take the Cup and start a 4 year domination. Here are the HOF's that were on the team:
Guy Lafleur
Yvan Cournoyer
Bob Gainey
Steve Shutt
Jacques Lemaire
Serge Savard
Larry Robinson
Guy Lapointe
Ken Dryden
Then there were other fantastic players who didn't make the HOF such as Pete Mahovlich, Rejean Houle, Doug Risebrough, Mario Tremblay, Doug Jarvis, and Yvon Lambert.
No other team has had this much depth and talent. A potent offense and punishing shut down defense and Dryden in his prime to top it off. For those that said Oilers easily, well it's most likely because you've neglected to bother doing any kind of research.
What wa the point in even bothering to put the other teams and this poll all togethor, If you are just going to telling the other guys there wrong abot saying someone els, Plus this is already a topic
Oh and by the way I voted Islanders.
CANUCKS RULE!!!
Get The Towels Out Guys PLAYOFFS!!! |
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Guest4462
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Posted - 03/29/2007 : 01:37:04
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i voted Isles.
They were an extremely underrated team, and they were rated very high!
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willus3
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Canada
1948 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2007 : 06:04:34
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Originally posted by ED11
Willus. Why would you even post a question like that and gives us 3 dynasties to choose from and then say something like..."For those that said Oilers easily, well it's most likely because you've neglected to bother doing any kind of research." You're obviously saying that it HAS to be the Habs...
I just gave my opinion like everyone else has. I posted it because it's a debatable topic. It wouldn't have been a very interesting poll if I had only put Montreal as a choice now would it?
I believe your original post said "Oiler's, Come on". Doesn't that indicate that it HAS to be the Oilers? There's a pot and a kettle, and they both seem to be black here. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/29/2007 : 08:38:08
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Willus, that is a history lesson, and you make some valid points. I said the Oilers as you would have guessed.
And I disagree that the Habs were a better offensive team than the Oilers. Defensively, no argument. Offensively, in the years you mentions, the Oilers scored 4.95 goals a game to Montreal's 4.43. Also, during that time Montreal averages 10 minutes of penalties a game while the Oilers average more than double that at 22 minutes. So the Oilers scored more and were at a disadvantage penalty wise more often. I feel those Oilers were better offensively than any other team in history.
I do concede that Montreal was a more dominant team during the regular season in their reign than the Oilers were during theirs. Les Canadiens were sharp on both sides of the ice and had an unbelievable .716 in the regular season. That is just sick.
When it comes down to it, the were both pretty similar in the playoffs. Running over anyone who had the displeasure of playing them. One could also argue that same a rookie defenseman's mistake in 86, the Oilers would have won that Cup as well.
So, Montreal was very dominant and ran through the playoffs. The Oilers were the best team ever offensively and ran through the playoffs. My vote has to go to the home team. But trust me, it is very very close. |
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manninm
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/29/2007 : 09:00:07
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Interesting question you've posed here, willus. I must say, while the Islanders were a truly great team, I think thery're probably a step behind Montreal and Edmonton. And while Edmonton had two of the GOAT, Gretzky and Mess, they also played in an era where equipment advancement for the players far exceeded the advances for goalies. I think if the Montreal team played in the 80's, they would've been even better than the Oilers, with more PPG and more wins & points. When it comes down to it, the Montreal team of the 70's was the greatest ever assembled, bar none.
By the way, aren't you forgetting the Leafs of the 80's? With guys like Gary Leeman and Dan Daoust....how can you go wrong?  |
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Beans15
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Posted - 03/29/2007 : 11:31:33
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What equipment advances happened in the 80's to help the players and not the goalie?? What was so radically different between '78 and '83???
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willus3
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1948 Posts |
Posted - 03/29/2007 : 12:45:50
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Originally posted by Beans15
What equipment advances happened in the 80's to help the players and not the goalie?? What was so radically different between '78 and '83???
Not sure either. The only one I can think of is the introduction of better skates. If you had the pleasure of ever skating in a pair of the old steel tube style skates you know what I mean. |
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manninm
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 03/29/2007 : 13:10:03
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| Well, I guess it's kind of an overall thing. Not speaking from carnal knowledge, because I was a little kid back then, but from all the footage it seems like sticks were lighter, skates were faster, and the game just moved quicker, while goalie equipment, in terms of major innovations, didn't come along under the late 80's. Granted, most players were wearing the "tuuk" skate by the late 70's, but it seemed like players had quicker feet, quicker hands, and quicker, harder shots. And seeing as scoring was at an all time high in the early to mid 80's, that data suggests that player equipment may have had an impact on scoring at that time. |
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willus3
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Posted - 03/29/2007 : 13:39:44
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Originally posted by manninm
Well, I guess it's kind of an overall thing. Not speaking from carnal knowledge, because I was a little kid back then, but from all the footage it seems like sticks were lighter, skates were faster, and the game just moved quicker, while goalie equipment, in terms of major innovations, didn't come along under the late 80's. Granted, most players were wearing the "tuuk" skate by the late 70's, but it seemed like players had quicker feet, quicker hands, and quicker, harder shots. And seeing as scoring was at an all time high in the early to mid 80's, that data suggests that player equipment may have had an impact on scoring at that time.
As strange as this may sound, the speed you refer to is largely an illusion due to the poor quality of camera coverage. early on. There were far fewer cameras and the video quality was just bad. It plays tricks on the brain. |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 03/29/2007 : 14:16:25
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There is no easy winner here. In a very close battle, I voted for the Islanders. They truely had everything. Team scoring, Team defense, and Team toughness.
the likes of:
Trottier, Bossy, Potvin, Gillies, Tonelli, Bourne, Nystrom, Sutter x 2, Goring, Persson, Harris, Kallur...
and having both Resch and Smith in net aint too shabby.
That's 5 hall of famers with a few more 'most under-rated player-types'.
They could out defense you, out score you, and simply beat you up.
This all being said, this is not an easy debate as all 3 of the dynasties mentioned were phenomenal. I'm sure it's not even an easy debate for each of us to pick ourselves, I know I had a very difficult time.
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andyhack
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Posted - 03/29/2007 : 15:46:16
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Yeah, I found this tougher than Willus3 seems to have, but when I think of that Habs team that lost, what, 8 regular season games all year, I have a very hard time going against them. And I focus on the defence, because three of those HOF guys were defencemen.
Consider that they had maybe three of the top five or so best offensive AND defensive defencemen at the time (could be wrong on that but even if we adjust that statement a little, still a pretty special trio of defencemen).
Consider that they had the best defensive forward in the league in Gainey, who was such a good skater, and so good at what he did that I believe a Russian coach once said he would rather have Gainey on his team than anyone else. And not only that, they had another great defensive specialist in Jarvis.
Consider that they had a guy in Lemaire who was excellent offensively and excellent defensively.
Consider that they had one of the best "garbage goal" scorers ever in Shutt.
And consider that the secondary guys like Lambert, Tremblay, Houle etc. could wear you down so that when the Number 1 line came on you were just overwhelmed. The Isles had great secondary guys too but if I had the choice I'd take the Habs guys I think.
Of course the Oilers too were tremendous, but I think the Habs would have beaten them with the type of speed that the Oilers generally weren't used to seeing (not to the same degree I think), and most importantly, with defence!
p.s. oh, and by the way, consider that they had that guy with the blonde hair
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ED11
Rookie
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Posted - 04/04/2007 : 18:08:12
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Originally posted by willus3
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Originally posted by ED11
Willus. Why would you even post a question like that and gives us 3 dynasties to choose from and then say something like..."For those that said Oilers easily, well it's most likely because you've neglected to bother doing any kind of research." You're obviously saying that it HAS to be the Habs...
I just gave my opinion like everyone else has. I posted it because it's a debatable topic. It wouldn't have been a very interesting poll if I had only put Montreal as a choice now would it?
I believe your original post said "Oiler's, Come on". Doesn't that indicate that it HAS to be the Oilers? There's a pot and a kettle, and they both seem to be black here.
I see your point willus and I did say "come on" but it was more from a sarcastic/joking point. I didn't mean that it had to be them. |
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Blubberboy
Rookie
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Posted - 04/07/2007 : 11:12:25
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Originally posted by ED11
Oilers!!! Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, Kuri, Anderson!!! Come on!
Yup, yup, yup, yup, and another yup.
go `nucks |
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B-rett10
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 04/18/2007 : 17:47:28
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I really like the Islanders because I watched them lots on the NHL Network on "Vintage Games" and they looked great. |
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stastnysforever
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/16/2007 : 15:26:59
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Originally posted by ED11
Oilers!!! Gretzky, Messier, Coffey, Kuri, Anderson!!! Come on!
What about Fuhr, Mactavish and Lowe |
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Guest5518
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Posted - 05/16/2007 : 17:33:33
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Originally posted by andyhack
Yeah, I found this tougher than Willus3 seems to have, but when I think of that Habs team that lost, what, 8 regular season games all year, I have a very hard time going against them. And I focus on the defence, because three of those HOF guys were defencemen.
Consider that they had maybe three of the top five or so best offensive AND defensive defencemen at the time (could be wrong on that but even if we adjust that statement a little, still a pretty special trio of defencemen).
Consider that they had the best defensive forward in the league in Gainey, who was such a good skater, and so good at what he did that I believe a Russian coach once said he would rather have Gainey on his team than anyone else. And not only that, they had another great defensive specialist in Jarvis.
Consider that they had a guy in Lemaire who was excellent offensively and excellent defensively.
Consider that they had one of the best "garbage goal" scorers ever in Shutt.
And consider that the secondary guys like Lambert, Tremblay, Houle etc. could wear you down so that when the Number 1 line came on you were just overwhelmed. The Isles had great secondary guys too but if I had the choice I'd take the Habs guys I think.
Of course the Oilers too were tremendous, but I think the Habs would have beaten them with the type of speed that the Oilers generally weren't used to seeing (not to the same degree I think), and most importantly, with defence!
p.s. oh, and by the way, consider that they had that guy with the blonde hair
The Habs of the 70's lost 1, 23 and then 4 games in the respective 76-79 playoffs. They would have swept the Oilers.
And consider that they gave up usually 175 GA a year while the Oilers gave up over 300. SO why not double the GF too - ie the Habs, if they had played the Oilers no D style, might have scored upwards of 600 goals a year.
What if Bowman had said to that #10 "Hey you with the blond hair and electrifying moves, just stand at centre and wait for the big three to headman it."
He might have scored 130 goals. |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/16/2007 : 17:57:03
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Originally posted by Guest5518
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Originally posted by andyhack
Yeah, I found this tougher than Willus3 seems to have, but when I think of that Habs team that lost, what, 8 regular season games all year, I have a very hard time going against them. And I focus on the defence, because three of those HOF guys were defencemen.
Consider that they had maybe three of the top five or so best offensive AND defensive defencemen at the time (could be wrong on that but even if we adjust that statement a little, still a pretty special trio of defencemen).
Consider that they had the best defensive forward in the league in Gainey, who was such a good skater, and so good at what he did that I believe a Russian coach once said he would rather have Gainey on his team than anyone else. And not only that, they had another great defensive specialist in Jarvis.
Consider that they had a guy in Lemaire who was excellent offensively and excellent defensively.
Consider that they had one of the best "garbage goal" scorers ever in Shutt.
And consider that the secondary guys like Lambert, Tremblay, Houle etc. could wear you down so that when the Number 1 line came on you were just overwhelmed. The Isles had great secondary guys too but if I had the choice I'd take the Habs guys I think.
Of course the Oilers too were tremendous, but I think the Habs would have beaten them with the type of speed that the Oilers generally weren't used to seeing (not to the same degree I think), and most importantly, with defence!
p.s. oh, and by the way, consider that they had that guy with the blonde hair
The Habs of the 70's lost 1, 23 and then 4 games in the respective 76-79 playoffs. They would have swept the Oilers.
And consider that they gave up usually 175 GA a year while the Oilers gave up over 300. SO why not double the GF too - ie the Habs, if they had played the Oilers no D style, might have scored upwards of 600 goals a year.
What if Bowman had said to that #10 "Hey you with the blond hair and electrifying moves, just stand at centre and wait for the big three to headman it."
He might have scored 130 goals.
Why is it always so obvious to spot Chooch? Perhaps it's the same argument over and over and the same argument over and over and the same argument being made over and over. |
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GOWINGS19
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Posted - 05/16/2007 : 21:57:47
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I chose the Habs just because i mean winning that many times in a row is impressive all on its own...but a team that has won 22 altogether compared to toronto having 11 and detroit with 10 is crazy...i won't say the edmonton one isn't awesome though either though those teams were stacked
"I don’t need to score the goal. I need someone to start thinking about me and forgetting about scoring goals." -Vladmir Konstantinov |
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andyhack
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 05:25:48
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| These type of polls are so generational, aren't they? I mean the fact that the Habs have so few votes on here really shows the age of the voters. That is not a criticism, just an observation. I think a poll amongst people from about 40 and up who saw all three teams play, particularly the first 2 of the 4 Hab cup years, would be really interesting. |
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GOWINGS19
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Posted - 05/17/2007 : 21:44:19
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well i wasn't around to see/remember these dynasties because i'm young but i mean through hockey and such i've seen great things and i that habs team that won that many in a row deserves incredible respect thats just my outlook on it...thats why i picked them as the best
"I don’t need to score the goal. I need someone to start thinking about me and forgetting about scoring goals." -Vladmir Konstantinov |
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99pickles
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/18/2007 : 09:33:59
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| Before even looking at the choices I was ready to vote for Montreal of the late 50's but alas, it is not there ! A nice group of 3 to make things an interesting debate ! After sitting painfully on the fence ( between Edm and Mtl) I have been convinced by willus and andyhack that Mtl was the team to vote for. Their regular season and playoff record is just disgusting. The names on the team are too numerous. Now I know that Edmonton has all the names too. But it is the win/loss record and the playoff win/loss record that are too much to ignore. When a team expects to win every night - they can be champions, when EVERYONE expects them to win every night - now we are talking dynasty. |
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