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JOSHUACANADA
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 Posted - 10/06/2011 : 13:17:28
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Overall there is a sense of no love for Ottawa. Most sports writers, odds makers and posters from this site are expecting less net results from a team 2 to 3 years into a rebuilding process. My question is why? I understand they haven't rebuilt thru the Free Agent pool or made block buster trades. I just dont see this team as the worst of the worst as predicted by many of the posters on this site and as odds makers are predicting.
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 14:42:50
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| Ottawa was one of the worst of the worst last season and they did not add anything in the off-season to change anything. Sure, Anderson will keep them in a bunch of games, however they really are not good in any facit of the game. They don't get love because they do not deserve love. It's pretty simple. |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 15:16:16
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I disagree, when you say they didnt add depth and I say what did they lose in the offseason. While I agree with you during the 1st half of last season, the Sens were the worst fo the worst, 2nd half not so much. Actually their record, like the Leafs 2nd half was climbing largely due to the addition of Anderson and the return of Spezza. They finished 13th in the east and 26th overall. This from a team fighting Edmonton hard for 30th overall at most parts of the 1st half of the season.
Last year they were League worst offense, due to lack of size and offensive depth. Hopefully with Michalek, Regin, Foligno and Karlson healthy and a rejuvented Filatov to bolster Spezza and an aging Alfredson. They added Konopka to add toughness, while its not his specialty, he was known as a reasonably good player before settling into the penalty minute leader role for NYI last year.
As far as not adding to the depth, you have a team depth from Binghamton who if I am correct finished pretty well last year. Lots of those players have impressed at camp and will be featured on the roster. Bobby Butler, Stephane Da Costa and Mika Zibanejad are opening night roster players who may help fill offensive roles. Impressive Jared Cowen is the guy I am most looking forward to seeing play, along side of Carkner, Philips, Gonchar and Kuba.
Depth at goalie with Craig Anderson proving last year he can win in Ottawa. Alex Auld, who may not be a number one, but is a proven backup.
Im not saying Sens for Cup. I am saying (last overall) 300-1 odds of cup win? Where's the love here? |
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Guest3386
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 15:35:26
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Ottawa will have a really tough time scoring goals. Aside from Spezza and Alfie (although Spezza is inconsistent and Alfie is getting older) they do not have anyone I would look at and say, yeah, he will get 70 points this year. You can only hope for so much out of the rookies to put up points, and at the end of the day, there is no way that they will be able to score enough to make Ottawa competitive in the Eastern Conference.
Furthermore, their defense is mediocre at best, which will definitely not help the fact that they cannot score. Even a team with a relatively strong defense such as the Predators needs a certain amount of goalscoring. To make up for the lack of defense on your team, again, they would have to up their scoring, something they most definitely cannot do.
In the end, it looks like it will be a long year in the Nation's Capital! |
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Guest9125
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 16:53:02
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Ottawa will be below avg, that being said, the Toronto fan obviously is biased and unaware his team hasn't been good for years, sorry decades far removed from Gilmour days, Reimer the saviour, good luck on that!
Ottawa is not 3-4 years away , this year they will finish bottom 10 likely around 7-10th last. They have a bunch of grinders but only 1 stud in spezza, Butler will put up nice #'s but only because of whom he plays with, he is at best a 2nd line guy, but the fact is if 1/2 of their draft picks pan out they are 2 years away from playoffs and 1 year away from contending for middle of pack. They will be top 3 in league if not best on overall def and they have the best goalie prospect in the world, patience Ottawa fans we are close, sorry Toronto fan you will be better then us this year, but very unlikely more then that as the Leafs will find a way to lose! |
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ryan93
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Posted - 10/06/2011 : 18:30:25
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Originally posted by Guest9125
Ottawa will be below avg, that being said, the Toronto fan obviously is biased and unaware his team hasn't been good for years, sorry decades far removed from Gilmour days, Reimer the saviour, good luck on that!
Ottawa is not 3-4 years away , this year they will finish bottom 10 likely around 7-10th last. They have a bunch of grinders but only 1 stud in spezza, Butler will put up nice #'s but only because of whom he plays with, he is at best a 2nd line guy, but the fact is if 1/2 of their draft picks pan out they are 2 years away from playoffs and 1 year away from contending for middle of pack. They will be top 3 in league if not best on overall def and they have the best goalie prospect in the world, patience Ottawa fans we are close, sorry Toronto fan you will be better then us this year, but very unlikely more then that as the Leafs will find a way to lose!
What was the bet anyways Beans...how much longer do you have to keep that Leafs avatar? |
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Posted - 10/07/2011 : 03:53:51
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^ Yeah that's really too funny ^
Regardless, sure maybe theyve got some up comers and you can name Konopka as someoe picked up for added depth. But look at that lineup compared to anyone elses and tell me it's even close to being as good. I'm looking briefly over some current rosters and I'm saying that the following teams are the only teams that the sens are maybe better than. Maybe.
Calgary
Phoenix (probably wrong but I really don't understand how they make the playoffs, and still refuse to think of them as anything else but a bottomfeeder)
St Louis
Florida
Toronto
New York Islanders
I really can't see any argument of them being better than any other team. Sorry.
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/07/2011 : 06:01:39
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This avatar has grown on me. It has helped me realize that Leaf fans will sometimes get crapped on just for being Leaf fans. Not all the time but sometimes.
Back to the point. I appreciate the player breakdown but they still don't deserve any more love than they are getting. Except for Spezza and Alfredsson their top six players would be on most other teams third line. Three of thief defenseman (Kuba, Gonchar, Phillips) are on the downswing of thief careers and other than Karlsson the others are completely Ahl caliber at least today. As I said before, Anderson is one of the few bright spots on that team and would barely put him as one of the top 15 starters in the NHL today.
It is no fluke that virtually every analyst is predicting them to finish 30th. |
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Posted - 10/07/2011 : 06:36:18
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Originally posted by Guest9125
Ottawa will be below avg, that being said, the Toronto fan obviously is biased and unaware his team hasn't been good for years, sorry decades far removed from Gilmour days, Reimer the saviour, good luck on that!
Ottawa is not 3-4 years away , this year they will finish bottom 10 likely around 7-10th last. They have a bunch of grinders but only 1 stud in spezza, Butler will put up nice #'s but only because of whom he plays with, he is at best a 2nd line guy, but the fact is if 1/2 of their draft picks pan out they are 2 years away from playoffs and 1 year away from contending for middle of pack. They will be top 3 in league if not best on overall def and they have the best goalie prospect in the world, patience Ottawa fans we are close, sorry Toronto fan you will be better then us this year, but very unlikely more then that as the Leafs will find a way to lose!
That was pure gold right there . . . the anon guest calling Beans . . . did you catch that? A BIASED TORONTO FAN.
Also love it that Beans still has his Leafs avatar this morning after the start of the season . . . maybe he really does bleed blue and white now, having worn it for so long. I can see how that could happen . . . you start off disliking a team, but you wear the colours, start cheering for them . . . they start building a great team . . . and you start loving them. I can see that! 
I'm having too much fun this morning with this, as you can see, lol
I don't how long Ottawa is going to rebuild for, but . . . they are CLEARLY rebuilding. They are stressing youth; they are out of the market (GM said so himself, if I remember correctly) for any high priced free agents; and they sucked last year, and didn't get any better (in fact, I think they are worse).
Ottawa is not better than the Islanders, Florida on paper - I just don't see it.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 10/07/2011 : 09:36:50
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Ok well I feel better. Not everyone is picking Ottawa for last just a few leafs fans and a guy who lost a bet to a leafs fan and probably had some secret handshake to side with Leafs fans this year to regain his avatar. All kidding aside, I hope the development pays off this year and they can prove the experts wrong. Proving them wrong would be in the top 20 league wide at this point.
I do disagree with you Slozo on the defensman. Although Philips, Gonchar and Kuba are on the last 5 or so years of there careers. Lets not forget Gonchar was a dominant powerplay specialist, Philips, a former 1st round draft pick, who is only 33 was a defense first shutdown defensman and Kuba who is only 34 is a great balanced defensman. Ottawa is drafting and developing 1st from a team defense perspective. Carkner, Cowen, Rundblad and Karlson are proof of that.
If your refering to the quality defensman Ottawa has developed and let go thru free agency or traded, I agree. The loss of Chara, Redden, Corvo and Volchenkov, who were all quality defensman in Ottawa, is hard to replace. The reason any or all of them have moved on was Ottawa can draft and develop in there system quality defensman. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/07/2011 : 09:40:26
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Well since it was so much fun for Slozo, I had to change back to my original avatar. I honestly could not remember the last bet so I wanted to make sure I paid my dues in full!
Not to get too far off topic, but it was interesting to see how many posters (mostly guests) did make negative comments towards my opinions based on the avatar. I still don't think I am a Leaf basher as others may have stated in the past but there is definitely something to the Leaf Bashing opinion overall. It does happen.
Now, back again to this topic. I took the time to look through the Ottawa depth chart and this is my summary.
Ottawa is comprised of a significantly below average 1st line, a 2nd line that would be a 3rd line on literally any other NHL team, a 3rd line that is really a 4th line, and a 4th line that would also be a 4th line in the AHL. Their defense is either young and completely unproven or old and on the decline. Anderson will keep them in some games.
They deserve no love, they deserve the 30th place ranking as a projection and frankly, they would stuggle to be among the best teams in the AHL. This team is rebuilding and today they are simply gross. |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 10/07/2011 : 13:13:04
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Beans you think Ottawa's fourth line would be fourth line in the AHL? their fourth line will be something along the lines of Kenopka, Neil, and Smith. Those are three legitiment NHL players and their first line one some nights will be Michalek, Spezza, and Alfredsson is that really signifacantly below average? I know it's a heck of a lot better than the Leafs first line. No I am not picking the Sens to make the playoffs I think they will finish bottom three but do some research before you post.
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/07/2011 : 14:43:26
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Do some research before I post?? Are you joking?? Honestly, there is no point in arguing with someone lacking logic and common sense. Before you accuse people of 'not doing their homework' perhaps you should do some yourself. Please take a look at each 4th line in the NHL today and tell me who's 4th line is worse than Ottawas. Secondly, take a look at the performance of your beloved top line against the Leafs top line before you make comments like, 'a heck of a lot better than the Leafs." Finally, even if I did agree the Ottawa top line was better than the Leafs(which it isn't) having the 2nd worst top line in the NHL doesn't make it any better.
Put your money where your mouth is. I have not seen a team as horrible (on paper) as the Sens this season since expansion and I am willing to bet they finish dead last. What are your terms?? |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 10/07/2011 : 15:14:06
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Okay fourth lines worse than Ottawa (not 100% sure if these are actual fourth lines just going off of The Hockey News) Winnipeg:Klingberg-Slater-Stapleton, Pheonix: Torres-Gordon-Boedker, Dallas: Barch-Dowell-Burish, Colorado: Galiardi-Winnek-Kobasew, St. Louis: Sobotka-Nichol-D'Agostini. I am not going to take your bet in fact I think the Sens will finish last a just didn't agree with you assesment of their lines. "A fourth line that would be a fourth line in the AHL" I mean come on.
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 10/07/2011 : 22:02:04
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| I'd would be willing to put up or shut up. I'll make it easy on you. If Ottawa finishes dead last I'll Let you pick my Avatar. And if Ottawa finishes 25th or better I pick yours. This is a clear standings bet with a little wiggle room. Avatar change will only last the post season. Hockey only related Avatar to insure its clean. What you think Bean's. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/08/2011 : 07:10:42
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First off, I have a 'new season' resolution to not continue debates with people who are obvious not interested in seeing a different perspective. They don't have to agree, but they have to acknowledge. When someone makes statements like "Ottawa;s top line is better than Toronto's" and that Ottawa's AHL 4th line is better than those including Stanley Cup winners and 40 pt players it is obvious they will not acknowledge any other perspective.
To Mr. Joshua. Thanks for having the stones and I will accept the bet with something other than the avatar on the line. That is normally reserved for the yearly bet between Slozo and I. Will you accept the loser putting a signature chosen by the winner for a period of 1 month after the playoffs?? It would have to be a tasteful signature but humbling none the less.
Agreed? |
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foolpittier
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Posted - 10/08/2011 : 09:54:52
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 10/08/2011 : 21:13:27
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| Challenge accepted. Signature will most definitely tasteful yet will highlight Alfredson as your personal MVP. |
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 10/08/2011 : 21:20:29
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| I would prefer it to happen for the term of the playoff. After the post season almost makes it meaningless. Agreed. 25 or better I win. Last place You win. |
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Posted - 10/08/2011 : 21:53:20
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Was at tonight's epic game . . . and I gotta say, Ottawa was robbed early by some sharp goaltending. Toronto dominated the second period, but the first was somewhat even despite the score. Some of the kids look ok for Ottawa . . . but in the 3rd period, some sloppy D made them look better than they were.
My feeling about Ottawa after tonight:
They will finish last.
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Alex116
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Posted - 10/08/2011 : 22:37:13
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Slozo, it was looking for awhile like Optimus Reim was gonna post another goose egg??? Actually started watching some of the baseball game when it went 4-0 after 2. Switched it back later and couldn't believe they made a game of it!
Def would have been a good one to be at, though you must have gotten a wee bit nervous at some point in the 3rd?
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 10/08/2011 : 22:49:11
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Originally posted by slozo
Was at tonight's epic game . . . and I gotta say, Ottawa was robbed early by some sharp goaltending. Toronto dominated the second period, but the first was somewhat even despite the score. Some of the kids look ok for Ottawa . . . but in the 3rd period, some sloppy D made them look better than they were.
My feeling about Ottawa after tonight:
They will finish last.
"Take off, eh?" - Bob and Doug
Classic. 2 games in, both games showcasing the new talent, who incidentally showed up on the scoreboard. Captain Alfredson scores twice tonight and Spezza scores. All I here from the Leafs fan who believes his team is Playoff bound in a one goal game is crap about Ottawa finishing last. |
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Alex116
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 02:38:36
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Joshua..... i have to say, while i'm not pencilling them in for last place at this point, i don't think they'll fare better than 3rd or 4th last.
A nice comeback, but keep in mind, it was against a team which (no offense to Leaf fans) will struggle to be in the hunt for a playoff spot come game 82. |
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 06:36:49
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| Here's my take on the matter. FIrst of all, the sens team is rebuilding and they have lots of young talent this year. as a result it will be a struggle early on this season while the new players get used to playing with each other in a much higher level than AHL. But considering the binghamton sens won the calder cup last year they do have a great farm team with talent coming up. It won't be here this year because yes on paper their team doesn't look very good. It is composed of unproven players who will have to prove themselves this year and next. I predict the sens will finish in the bottom 3 of the league with a playoff chance coming in the next 3 years. they will have problems scoring early on, but the chemistry will change over time and they will get better. And hey, if they finish last at least we'll get a great draft pick. The way things tend to go, if you suck in the standings for long enough you'll eventually get a young talented team for the future. Look at pittsburgh, chicago, and edmonton (future team). The season will be a rough one with much to learn but overall it will be a successful one in building for the future. Here's hoping Filatov gets to his potential finally! |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 07:20:34
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
I would prefer it to happen for the term of the playoff. After the post season almost makes it meaningless. Agreed. 25 or better I win. Last place You win.
Bet is on! Signature chosen by the winner and to be in place through the 2012 playoffs. 25th or better you win, dead last I win, 29 to 26 is a wash. Odds are in your favor but I like this bet. |
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TheRC
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 09:08:30
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A solid effort to try and come back in the 3rd from Ottawa, but I'm not convinced that it was much more than Alfie, remembering when the battle of Ontario meant something, refusing to be embarassed, combined with the Leafs going soft after developing such a commanding lead. Five goals in a period is impressive, but they came in a torrent against a middling (at best) team that had fallen asleep, and a young goaltender who crashed to earth after opening the season with 5 periods worth of shutout. That the Leafs managed two goals during this meltdown suggests the Sens goals were the result of a few good plays, rather than overall dominance of the period.
Impressive effort at the end, sure, but if I were an Ottawa fan I wouldn't so much be happy with how my team played the 3rd as terrified by how poorly they played the 1st and 2nd. The Leafs are not a good team, but against Ottawa, they looked it. I was watching the game with a friend from Vancouver who was laughing about how "The Leafs aren't supposed to be able make plays like the Canucks." It wasn't intended as a compliment for Toronto.
Flashes of potential, but you've got a long way to go Ottawa. I wish you well, too; the sooner inferior Leaf teams start running you out of the playoffs early each year again, the better. 
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 11:00:46
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| Ottawa will not get any love this year. Especially Chris Neil. In typical Neil fashion he jumps a guy to start a fight. Has Neil ever fought a guy in his own class or even just dropped the gloves face to face. He wouldn't go Komi face to face, he had to jump Schenn, Schenn had no choice but to drop the mits. In the words of the real Don Cherry, Neil is a coward and a puke. |
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5hahv1r1
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 15:21:15
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I'm sorry, but the Leafs clearly let off the gas pedal almost entirely.
If they played the exact same game again, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have eased off so much and probably run the score to 7 or 8-0.
Sens looked awful out there, and only when the Leafs were disinterested, were they able to mount a comeback.
I feel like Toronto is tied with Winnipeg, Montreal, and MAYBE Edmonton for second out of Canadian teams. Sens are definitely at the bottom of the barrel though.
I'll enjoy this bet between the OP and Beans =P |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 16:47:57
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
Ottawa will not get any love this year. Especially Chris Neil. In typical Neil fashion he jumps a guy to start a fight. Has Neil ever fought a guy in his own class or even just dropped the gloves face to face. He wouldn't go Komi face to face, he had to jump Schenn, Schenn had no choice but to drop the mits. In the words of the real Don Cherry, Neil is a coward and a puke.
Actually if you watched the CBC broadcast it showed that it was Schenn who engaged Neil just saying
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 18:42:31
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
Ottawa will not get any love this year. Especially Chris Neil. In typical Neil fashion he jumps a guy to start a fight. Has Neil ever fought a guy in his own class or even just dropped the gloves face to face. He wouldn't go Komi face to face, he had to jump Schenn, Schenn had no choice but to drop the mits. In the words of the real Don Cherry, Neil is a coward and a puke.
Actually if you watched the CBC broadcast it showed that it was Schenn who engaged Neil just saying
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
Um I was watching CBC and even the broadcasters said Neil went at Schenn. Schenn was forced to drop the mitts. Oh and if you read all of the papers (including the Ottawa Sun) they all say Neil jumped Schenn. If you want to send a message to the other team, fight a guy straight up don't just jump a guy.
Neil never engages in a scrap without sort of jumping someone. He is perhaps the biggest coward in the tough guy role. |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 10/09/2011 : 20:43:17
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Really? I guess you must of had your ears plugged when they talked about how Neil didn't deserve an instegator and how Schenn was more than willing to drop em. And I guess you must have been in the bathroom when they showed the reverse angle that clearly showed Schenn start skating towards Neil before Neil came in and hit him. I'll agree it was mostly Neil trying to get something started but Schenn certainly had his part too
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 10/10/2011 : 05:11:19
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
Really? I guess you must of had your ears plugged when they talked about how Neil didn't deserve an instegator and how Schenn was more than willing to drop em. And I guess you must have been in the bathroom when they showed the reverse angle that clearly showed Schenn start skating towards Neil before Neil came in and hit him. I'll agree it was mostly Neil trying to get something started but Schenn certainly had his part too
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/105453
Really, here is the fight complete with CBC commentary. Apparently you must have been preoccupied watching your sister shower or something and could not hear the real the commentary. They very clearly say right from the start that Neil is going to get an inst"i"gator. And they very clearly say the Schenn has to try and fight back. Even the the reverse angle shows Schenn was clearly was not expecting the yellow bellied Neil to drop his gloves which put Schenn into a defensive mode and was late to get his gloves off.
I know you were dissappointed that the Leafs destroyed your Sens, at least until the Leafs took their foot of the gas, but Neil clearly deserves NO LOVE for being a coward and a puke. Once again I state the only time Neil wins a fight is when he jumps a guy. Neil wouldn't even fight tiny little Darcy Tucker straight up because Tucker was ten times tougher and Neil knew it. I have no use for Chris Neil, biggest coward in the NHL. Done. |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 10/10/2011 : 06:00:52
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Okay can someone who watched the broadcast please back me up on this? I know intially they were saying Neil jumped him but then later when they showed the reply probabely about 5-10 minutes after the actual fight here is what it showed: Neil was skating by and he had obviously said something to Schenn to make him angry so Schenn toke a step towards Neil. Neil was pissed off for whatever reason and he took that as an invitation to fight so he charged Schenn and the rest is history.
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Porkchop73
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 10/10/2011 : 06:22:18
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
Okay can someone who watched the broadcast please back me up on this? I know intially they were saying Neil jumped him but then later when they showed the reply probabely about 5-10 minutes after the actual fight here is what it showed: Neil was skating by and he had obviously said something to Schenn to make him angry so Schenn toke a step towards Neil. Neil was pissed off for whatever reason and he took that as an invitation to fight so he charged Schenn and the rest is history.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
I love it when Sens fans beg for help.
They can't back you up in this thread because this is the "NO LOVE FOR SENS" thread. Perhaps you should start a "Show some love for the Sens" thread. More specifically a thread called "Someone please love the coward Neil". |
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Beans15
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Posted - 10/10/2011 : 06:41:40
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Ok guys, first off keep the personal comments to yourself. If you disagree then debate the opinion but not by trying to belittle he other person.
To the point, Neil absolute engaged Schenn. No doubt about it. What the commentators said is irrelevant and if it was relevant, the video posted clearly has the guys at CBC talking about Neil engaging Schenn and not the other way around/
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 10/10/2011 : 09:08:42
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
Okay can someone who watched the broadcast please back me up on this? I know intially they were saying Neil jumped him but then later when they showed the reply probabely about 5-10 minutes after the actual fight here is what it showed: Neil was skating by and he had obviously said something to Schenn to make him angry so Schenn toke a step towards Neil. Neil was pissed off for whatever reason and he took that as an invitation to fight so he charged Schenn and the rest is history.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
I love it when Sens fans beg for help.
They can't back you up in this thread because this is the "NO LOVE FOR SENS" thread. Perhaps you should start a "Show some love for the Sens" thread. More specifically a thread called "Someone please love the coward Neil".
Okay Prokchop I would like to make a bet with you if the Leafs make the playoffs I will stop posting here and vice-versa
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5hahv1r1
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 10/10/2011 : 09:38:10
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Leafs fan chipping in here:
I heard them say that the instigator was uncalled for and it looked like Schenn went to him first.
I don't agree with that commentary, but I heard it. Neil still jumped him early. Schenn clearly didn't even have his gloves off and Neil was wailing away. |
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Porkchop73
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Posted - 10/10/2011 : 10:28:03
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
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Okay can someone who watched the broadcast please back me up on this? I know intially they were saying Neil jumped him but then later when they showed the reply probabely about 5-10 minutes after the actual fight here is what it showed: Neil was skating by and he had obviously said something to Schenn to make him angry so Schenn toke a step towards Neil. Neil was pissed off for whatever reason and he took that as an invitation to fight so he charged Schenn and the rest is history.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
I love it when Sens fans beg for help.
They can't back you up in this thread because this is the "NO LOVE FOR SENS" thread. Perhaps you should start a "Show some love for the Sens" thread. More specifically a thread called "Someone please love the coward Neil".
Okay Prokchop I would like to make a bet with you if the Leafs make the playoffs I will stop posting here and vice-versa
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
I would hate to see you not posting here ever again, not like I think the Leafs will make the playoffs but the Sens surely won't. But I am willing to make Leafs/Sens wager for the fun of it.
Lets say that if the Leafs make the playoffs and since this thread is about LOVE for the Sens, you must put I LOVE THE TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS as your signature and change your avatar to a Toronto Maple Leaf one.
I will do the same if the Sens make the playoffs.
Oh, Beans is right, I should not have made any personal comments and I apologize. But like my 6 yr old says, "you started it". |
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Open_Ice
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Posted - 10/10/2011 : 11:04:18
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CQQGOAT3rE
0:36 - The puck is clearly shown
0:37 - Neil heading towards the bench is skating by Schenn when Schenn turns away from the puck and crosschecks Neil.
And I can confirm the fact that the CBC announcers upon watching the replay a minute later said Schenn was more the instigator of the fight than Neil. (which I also agree with)
Also, an additional roughing penalty from a fight? How is that even possible? Was he hitting Schenn too hard? |
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 10/10/2011 : 15:20:35
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
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Originally posted by Porkchop73
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Originally posted by Sensfan101
Okay can someone who watched the broadcast please back me up on this? I know intially they were saying Neil jumped him but then later when they showed the reply probabely about 5-10 minutes after the actual fight here is what it showed: Neil was skating by and he had obviously said something to Schenn to make him angry so Schenn toke a step towards Neil. Neil was pissed off for whatever reason and he took that as an invitation to fight so he charged Schenn and the rest is history.
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
I love it when Sens fans beg for help.
They can't back you up in this thread because this is the "NO LOVE FOR SENS" thread. Perhaps you should start a "Show some love for the Sens" thread. More specifically a thread called "Someone please love the coward Neil".
Okay Prokchop I would like to make a bet with you if the Leafs make the playoffs I will stop posting here and vice-versa
You miss 100 percent of the shots you don't take Wayne Gretzky
I would hate to see you not posting here ever again, not like I think the Leafs will make the playoffs but the Sens surely won't. But I am willing to make Leafs/Sens wager for the fun of it.
Lets say that if the Leafs make the playoffs and since this thread is about LOVE for the Sens, you must put I LOVE THE TORONTO MAPLE LEAFS as your signature and change your avatar to a Toronto Maple Leaf one.
I will do the same if the Sens make the playoffs.
Oh, Beans is right, I should not have made any personal comments and I apologize. But like my 6 yr old says, "you started it".
Alrighty it is on and apology accepted
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JOSHUACANADA
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Posted - 10/10/2011 : 23:49:28
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Here's my take on the matter. FIrst of all, the sens team is rebuilding and they have lots of young talent this year. as a result it will be a struggle early on this season while the new players get used to playing with each other in a much higher level than AHL. But considering the binghamton sens won the calder cup last year they do have a great farm team with talent coming up. It won't be here this year because yes on paper their team doesn't look very good. It is composed of unproven players who will have to prove themselves this year and next. I predict the sens will finish in the bottom 3 of the league with a playoff chance coming in the next 3 years. they will have problems scoring early on, but the chemistry will change over time and they will get better. And hey, if they finish last at least we'll get a great draft pick. The way things tend to go, if you suck in the standings for long enough you'll eventually get a young talented team for the future. Look at pittsburgh, chicago, and edmonton (future team). The season will be a rough one with much to learn but overall it will be a successful one in building for the future. Here's hoping Filatov gets to his potential finally!
Yes this young group did in fact win the Calder Cup. That same young crop will show up bit by bit thru the season to see if they can earn a full time roster spot. Not exactly the type of players that have been refered to by some as not good enough to make 4th line in the AHL. I am very excited by the future prospects. Heres hoping they can find some chemistry in the NHL. |
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No love for Ottawa in 2011-2012 
