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bonfire420
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Canada
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 Posted - 04/05/2007 : 08:28:18
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Poll Question:
Who is your pick for the Jack Adams trophy this year?
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bonfire420
Rookie
Canada
107 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2007 : 08:32:04
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| for me there's no question... Alain all the way!! |
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Canucks Man
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1547 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2007 : 08:35:11
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Vigneault all the way, But if the Islanders make the playoffs then im going with Ted Nolan
CANUCKS RULE!!!
Get The Towels Out Guys PLAYOFFS!!! |
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ED11
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 08:38:06
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| Well I would have said Julien but since he got canned so suddenly and the reason is still a mystery to most people, haha. I will have to go with Therrien. He has done an awesome job with a very young inexperienced Pittsburgh team. |
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 09:52:57
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Buffalo had over 200 man games lost and they still remain at the top of the standings, thats all coaching rite there, It's gotta be Lindy Ruff.
Honourable mention to Allain Vigneault |
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Guest8410
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 12:10:51
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Originally posted by bonfire420
Who is your pick for the Jack Adams trophy this year?
vigneault had to deal with markus naslund every night and yet the canucks still have a great record... he deserves it just for that! |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
931 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2007 : 12:16:08
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| Funny how everyone's vote matches their Avatar. ;) |
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semin-rules
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
1915 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2007 : 13:56:40
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Originally posted by tctitans
Funny how everyone's vote matches their Avatar. ;)
Well i'm breaking that trend right now
Vigneault.
~~~~~COME ON STARS, LETS BRING IT HOME~~~~~ |
Edited by - semin-rules on 04/05/2007 14:16:49 |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 14:14:14
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| Most people and critics didn't have Vancouver going anywhere at the start of the year. That Coach has put that team in a position to run for the Cup with really only three decent forwards and a goalie. No one else on that team stands out. He's the Adam's trophy winner in my books. |
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Mikhailova
PickupHockey All-Star
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 14:30:06
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| Look at the Sabres...gotta be Lindy Ruff. Though I'd give Vancouver's coach an honorable mention. |
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2417 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2007 : 14:48:41
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Vigneault, give me a break. The only thing I give him props for is having the best PK in the league. Other than, Vancouver is all Luongo, something Vigneault has no control over (and another coach for).
I think this is the year that Barry Trotz deserves some serious recognition. He's coached the Preds since their inaugural season in 1998-99 and look where he's taken them since then. Individually Nashville is no better than most teams in the league but they play with structure and discipline and that's all because of Trotz. An Adams award for Trotz is overdue.
Funny how Wilson doesn't even get mentioned, wow. ESPECIALLY after the genius coaching move he did yesterday (challenging Selanne's illegal curve just before SJ was going to be on the PK in OT) and he won, which negated the PP for the Ducks and the Sharks ended up winning the game. It's all in the little things... Also, SJ is the 3rd most disciplined team in the league (by times shorthanded) and also has the best PP. That's ALL Ron Wilson. |
Edited by - bablaboushka on 04/05/2007 14:51:09 |
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Saku Steen
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 14:58:16
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Originally posted by tctitans
Funny how everyone's vote matches their Avatar. ;)
The 2nd post I said Ted Nolan... but I guess it got deleted. |
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Leafs Rock Planet
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
902 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2007 : 15:06:54
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I think its Barry Trotz. This is such an underated coach here
Leafs 4 Playoffs!! |
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bonfire420
Rookie
Canada
107 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2007 : 15:15:58
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Originally posted by bablaboushka
Funny how Wilson doesn't even get mentioned, wow. ESPECIALLY after the genius coaching move he did yesterday (challenging Selanne's illegal curve just before SJ was going to be on the PK in OT) and he won, which negated the PP for the Ducks and the Sharks ended up winning the game. It's all in the little things... Also, SJ is the 3rd most disciplined team in the league (by times shorthanded) and also has the best PP. That's ALL Ron Wilson.
It sure helps having the reigning MVP and Rocket Richard winners on your team, not to mention marleau and the nabakov toskala combo |
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kanadian7
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 04/05/2007 : 15:21:08
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Originally posted by bablaboushka
Vigneault, give me a break. The only thing I give him props for is having the best PK in the league. Other than, Vancouver is all Luongo, something Vigneault has no control over (and another coach for).
Come on Babs, you know better than that...
Florida proved that Luongo alone is not enough to make the playoffs. The coach has got to get some recognition for the team's effort as a whole. The Canucks don't have players that opponents look at as a threat heading in to the game besides perhaps the Sedins and Luongo. This suggests that the team is coming together to make these wins happen. That goes straight to the coach
For an example of Vigneault's winning ways. The Canucks came out flat in their last game, Vigneault (after down 2-0) shook up the lines in the second period to get them rolling, and 4 goals later they won another game due to good coaching decisions.
Give the guy the credit he deserves |
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bablaboushka
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2417 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2007 : 20:49:57
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For an example of Vigneault's winning ways. The Canucks came out flat in their last game, Vigneault (after down 2-0) shook up the lines in the second period to get them rolling, and 4 goals later they won another game due to good coaching decisions.
They were playing LA... Enough said.
Every coach in the league does that. I don't think SJ's lines EVER end the same way they started. That doesn't NECESSARILY make a coach good. Even Bob Hartley was doing that with Atlanta last night when they were down.
Also, having a bunch of good players doesn't guarantee success. Ask Colorado or NYR from the 2003-04 season. They were both loaded with superstars (remember that Colorado had Sakic, Forsberg, Tanguay, Hejduk, Kariya, Selanne, Blake...). They ended up being eliminated in the second round of the playoffs, by none other than a very young Sharks team. A roster full of superstars (which SJ is far from) does not always make a good team.
And yeah, Luongo is Vancouver. Put any coach behind the Vancouver bench and they win. Put Cloutier in the net and Vancouver doesn't make the playoffs. Vigneault was not the difference. But of course it's easy to look good when you have one of the best goalies in the world in net. I realize I'm saying this when half the members on this site are from BC and are die-hard Canucks fans, but c'mon. Look at the big picture. I could easily have voted for Wilson, because I think he is deserving, but I didn't. Look outside your team. |
Edited by - bablaboushka on 04/05/2007 20:51:13 |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
931 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2007 : 01:23:31
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Originally posted by bablaboushka
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Originally posted by kanadian7
For an example of Vigneault's winning ways. The Canucks came out flat in their last game, Vigneault (after down 2-0) shook up the lines in the second period to get them rolling, and 4 goals later they won another game due to good coaching decisions.
They were playing LA... Enough said.
Every coach in the league does that. I don't think SJ's lines EVER end the same way they started. That doesn't NECESSARILY make a coach good. Even Bob Hartley was doing that with Atlanta last night when they were down.
Also, having a bunch of good players doesn't guarantee success. Ask Colorado or NYR from the 2003-04 season. They were both loaded with superstars (remember that Colorado had Sakic, Forsberg, Tanguay, Hejduk, Kariya, Selanne, Blake...). They ended up being eliminated in the second round of the playoffs, by none other than a very young Sharks team. A roster full of superstars (which SJ is far from) does not always make a good team.
And yeah, Luongo is Vancouver. Put any coach behind the Vancouver bench and they win. Put Cloutier in the net and Vancouver doesn't make the playoffs. Vigneault was not the difference. But of course it's easy to look good when you have one of the best goalies in the world in net. I realize I'm saying this when half the members on this site are from BC and are die-hard Canucks fans, but c'mon. Look at the big picture. I could easily have voted for Wilson, because I think he is deserving, but I didn't. Look outside your team.
Babs, I forgive your ignorance since you live so far away and dont get to see Canuck games. ;) Have faith in people who have watch Alain work his magic for 80 games this year. The fans, media, and entire city believe that he has thei midas touch this year and can do no wrong. And that's not by doing nothing.. He has made 100's of 'questionable' moves and strategies this year, all which have been questioned and then turned out right. The media refuses to question him anymore.
Okay.. to set the record straight, i'm not saying he's a god.. or this... or that. I'm just saying that he has had a golden year and has made all the right moves. He is the favorite in my books for the Adams, but there are several other deserving candidates as well.
Heck, I certainly dont think he's the best coach in the league (My vote goes to Lemaire) but I think he has coached the best, this year.
I'm afraid that although I think Trotz is an excellent coach (he is) a monkey could do well with Nashville. I really think that the coach of the year has to do something much more than what he is given. |
Edited by - bablaboushka on 04/06/2007 11:41:12 |
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bablaboushka
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Canada
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 11:55:04
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Forgive my ignorance? Excuse me? Just because I live in the East doesn't mean I don't follow the happenings of the West. In fact I follow the West closer than the East 1) Because the East is boring hockey compared to the West and 2) Because SJ is in the West and I'm much more interested in the playoff race there. I also have a pretty good idea of the Vanciuver franchise because 1) I lived in Winnipeg, home of the Canucks' farm team and 2) Because Vigneault coached in the Q just a couple years ago. I am not ignorant, but you my friend aren't being objective. Of course if I ask any Canucks faithful they will say he should win the Adams, just like any team's fans (including you). I credit Vigneault with Vancouver's great PK, but other than that he's just any other coach, who is lucky to have the best young goalie in the world.
How could a monkey do well in Nashville? They are a decent team that Trotz has developed into the best in the league. Skillwise, Vancouver is about the same, yet they rely on three guys night in and night out. Re-read my post above, that's why Trotz SHOULD win. |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 19:31:11
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Originally posted by bablaboushka
Forgive my ignorance? Excuse me? Just because I live in the East doesn't mean I don't follow the happenings of the West. In fact I follow the West closer than the East 1) Because the East is boring hockey compared to the West and 2) Because SJ is in the West and I'm much more interested in the playoff race there. I also have a pretty good idea of the Vanciuver franchise because 1) I lived in Winnipeg, home of the Canucks' farm team and 2) Because Vigneault coached in the Q just a couple years ago. I am not ignorant, but you my friend aren't being objective. Of course if I ask any Canucks faithful they will say he should win the Adams, just like any team's fans (including you). I credit Vigneault with Vancouver's great PK, but other than that he's just any other coach, who is lucky to have the best young goalie in the world.
How could a monkey do well in Nashville? They are a decent team that Trotz has developed into the best in the league. Skillwise, Vancouver is about the same, yet they rely on three guys night in and night out. Re-read my post above, that's why Trotz SHOULD win.
We will agree to disagree. Look at the talent Trotz has. Now look at the talent Alain has. Trotz has guided his team to 2 more victories than Alain. Sorry, Trotz is a good coach, but doesnt deserve the Adams.
I don't buy this 'Luongo only' story either. Luongo was very average until Dec/Jan, and since then he has been 'mostly' fantastic and consistent. Don't forget Trotz has 2 great goalies to put in the pipes with Vokoun and Mason.
Am I a homer? Yes, sure. Am I objective? Always. I like Alain for the Adams, but there are several other deserving candidates that have made more out of the talent than they have as well. Trotz is not one of them. Again, I think Trotz is a very good coach, but he's got a hell of a lot to work with. |
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tctitans
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 19:34:01
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Originally posted by bablaboushka
Forgive my ignorance? Excuse me? Just because I live in the East doesn't mean I don't follow the happenings of the West. In fact I follow the West closer than the East 1) Because the East is boring hockey compared to the West and 2) Because SJ is in the West and I'm much more interested in the playoff race there.
This wasnt a knock against you Babs... Maybe I am ignorant as I expected that since you lived out east that you were not able to watch very many Canuck games. Do you have someone local here that sends you games digitally? (that's the only way I can think of...) |
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Blubberboy
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Posted - 04/06/2007 : 21:43:26
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Vigneult took a bunch of rookies and made an excellent team out of some guys who are in their first couple years or have never even been in the NHL in all their carrer. He is the only contener for the Jack Adams Award.
Go Canucks. |
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Guest9666
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 08:17:29
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minnesota's coach
cant remember his name.... |
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BigShow
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 09:43:12
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Think the Vancouver crowd needs to use a little objectivity... Or they need to be informed Luongo isn't the coach.
I went with Trotz, Nashville did really well, and they don't have a huge name brand roster. Kariya and Arnott and the late season pickup of Forsberg, who barely played... I really like their D corps but none of them are really high profile names.
They did have a lot of 'easy' wins in division, but they still managed a lot of points, even considering that. getting those points, without star power speaks to the coach's ability. |
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bonfire420
Rookie
Canada
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 09:58:20
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| I always vote objectively and I can almost gaurantee Vignualt will be a finalist. It's amazing that you're not giving any credit to Vignault just because Vancouver has a great goalie! That would be like saying Therien is no good, he's just lucked out with good young players, and Lindy Ruff sucks cuz he's not doing anything, it's just his amazing goalie and talented players. And Glen Sather, he's an imbecile cuz he had some of the best players to ever play the game... |
Edited by - bonfire420 on 05/01/2007 10:52:00 |
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fly4apuckguy
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 05/01/2007 : 10:33:37
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I would have voted for Ted Nolan had he made the list. With all the talk of Vancouver on this board, they were rescued by a goalie, not a coach. I did vote for Lindy Ruff. I'm not a Sabres fan, but he has made some good players look great by creating a machine out there in Buffalo. He's the best coach in the league right now, easily. Honourable mention to Terrien, who brought the Pens along faster than anyone expected.
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. - Gretz |
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bablaboushka
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