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nuxfan
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 Posted - 11/03/2011 : 12:05:32
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Wow, big signing for NSH today with Rinne, at 7M/year its a substantial deal for a) Rinne and b) Nashville to even hand out.
Does this represent a change of attitude within Nashville, in regards to spending money to ice a competative team? It will be interesting to see what happens now with the other 2 big pieces (Suter and Weber) as the year goes on.
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Guest4927
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 13:00:23
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i hope, weber got his money, now for suter... suter will get between 5 - 6 mil. i'm sure.
and erat will want 50mil, one for each point.
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just1n
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 13:01:05
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 15:34:14
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Originally posted by Guest4927
i hope, weber got his money, now for suter... suter will get between 5 - 6 mil. i'm sure.
and erat will want 50mil, one for each point.
Weber got a big cheque, true, but it was only for this season, then he's an RFA i believe? They still need to make a decision on him as to whether or not they can/will sign him long term. There's been a ton of talk on the local radio shows here as Vancouver is always mentioned as a place he'd prob like to play. Now, don't jump on me, allow me to qualify that! Vancouver is a competetive team, came very close to a cup last year, has many of their core locked up, should be a solid contender for the next few years and Weber is a BC boy having not just grown up in the Okanagan, but also played his junior there (Kelowna).
So, the first question is, will the Preds be willing and able to offer him enough to stay? And secondly, if he did want to sign in Vancouver, would the Canucks be willing to pay him enough, even if he were to sign for a slight dicount?
Bob McKenzie was saying that he thinks the Preds will try to sign Weber, Suter and Rinne for approx 21mil total. So, if they each got 7 or thereabouts, they would be committing a ton of money to 3 guys, BUT, could still continue to compete. IF they fail to sign Suter, there's a good chance Weber bolts as well, and with only Rinne, they'd likely be in trouble. They are fortunate that they draft and develope well but it wasn't all that long ago that Nashville could have been compared to a franchise like Phoenix and in danger of moving. Now, they have a pretty good fan base and made the 2nd round last year, etc. What do they do?
I think they'll do everything they can to get the 3 of them signed and mold their team around the old NJ Devils squads with a stellar goalie, an above avg D and some grinding forwards. Hopefully for them, they can find a forward or two who comes in at a low number and begins to break out before he costs them huge dollars?
As for the Canucks, the most important thing to consider, is that there's likely 28 other teams who would love to have Weber and many will do their best to get him! Detroit would be an obvious suitor, especially if Lidstrom hangs'em up but there'd be others as well. The hot topic today on the radio was whether or not Gillis would bend on his "in house salary cap" that he seems to have in place. Since he's been here, he's been very good at getting guys to sign at a bit of a discount (for the most part). The Sedin's did this, Luongo did this to some extent, Bieksa, Burrows and even Hamhuis. Kesler was one who may have been paid a little higher than he wanted and more on potential than the rest but luckily it worked out for the team. BUT, what would happen if Gillis signed Weber to anything around 7mil when he's stressed to the rest of the team, and in particular the D, that he won't be handing out those kinds of deals? Would some of the players be pissed? Would they say "who cares, we just wanna win!"? Local radio host Bob Marjanovich (the Moj), specultated today that if the Canucks did open the vault, it basically destroys what Gillis has built, that being, the team's in house salary cap. It's not so much guys like the Sedin's and others being pissed that they signed for a discount, than it is the guys they'll need to sign in the future. What will happen when Alex Edler needs to re-up in a couple years? Imagine if he keeps improving like he has? He may be a 5 mil guy by then, but who knows, seeing Weber at 7, he may say "i'm worth at least 6!"???
I know it's early, but this was discussed pretty much ALL DAY on the radio here. Personally, i'd love to see Weber here as he's arguably one of the top 3 all around d-men in the game, but i still think it's a bit of a long shot. Nashville's gonna want a pretty package and the guess on the radio today was that Kesler's name would be the first to be thrown at Gillis from the other end. He would easily fit in to a defensive system in Nashville whilst still putting up some offense. His 5 Mil is a little high but it's less than Weber would be commanding. Oh, and he's American!
Again, a lot of teams would be interested, but in a way, i hope the Preds can sign him and not end up as the next Phoenix / Atlanta, facing problems of fan disinterest and ultimately, having to move!
BTW (Mods)...if this needs its own thread, please feel free to move it. I know it's not a lot to do with Rinne, but dicussing the signing will likely fade pretty quick anyway? |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 15:53:23
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Originally posted by Alex116
Bob McKenzie was saying that he thinks the Preds will try to sign Weber, Suter and Rinne for approx 21mil total. So, if they each got 7 or thereabouts, they would be committing a ton of money to 3 guys, BUT, could still continue to compete. IF they fail to sign Suter, there's a good chance Weber bolts as well, and with only Rinne, they'd likely be in trouble.
I don't think it would take 14M to get Weber and Suter, but it would be close. Thinking 7M for Weber, and 5.5M for Suter perhaps. Regardless, it would be a significant amount of money to tie up in 3 players that are not forwards. I cannot think of another team in the NHL that has 20M of cap space tied up in a goalie and 2 dmen.
Their first priority has to be Suter as he is UFA next year - Weber cannot go anywhere next summer as he is RFA. I personally think they'll try to sign one of Weber or Suter but not both, with the other being traded sometime this season before the deadline. As good as both are, I don't think its in the best interests of NSH to have 2 blue-chip defensemen if they want to build a complete team. Keep one, and get a boatload of return for the other in a trade, and free up cap space for next season. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 15:57:37
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the big question is What is Vancouver going to give or any other tem to acquire weaber,, he is still an RFA next year, and even if he wasn`t there is no way a team like Nashville lets an asset like Weaber go and get nothing in return you can bet Nashville would want 2 first round picks a solid prospect and more....
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 16:16:41
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Originally posted by Pasty7
the big question is What is Vancouver going to give or any other tem to acquire weaber,, he is still an RFA next year, and even if he wasn`t there is no way a team like Nashville lets an asset like Weaber go and get nothing in return you can bet Nashville would want 2 first round picks a solid prospect and more....
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
This too was discussed Pasty and it was bantered around but the consensus was, a sign and trade type deal would most likely be necessary. No team is gonna give Nashville anything close to full value for a guy they may only get for one season (assuming he's traded at the deadline or next summer). Still, it would take a significant package as you stated and that's where Kesler's name came up as a "starting point" from the Canucks.
Nuxfan.... I think McKenzie was thinking that Weber would get 7 or more, maybe even 7.5 and Suter 6-6.5? He figured it would take 20-21 million to get the three of them to stay. |
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Pasty7
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 16:42:13
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Originally posted by Alex116
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Originally posted by Pasty7
the big question is What is Vancouver going to give or any other tem to acquire weaber,, he is still an RFA next year, and even if he wasn`t there is no way a team like Nashville lets an asset like Weaber go and get nothing in return you can bet Nashville would want 2 first round picks a solid prospect and more....
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
Mckenzie is usually well informed i would not be surprised if he is spot on
This too was discussed Pasty and it was bantered around but the consensus was, a sign and trade type deal would most likely be necessary. No team is gonna give Nashville anything close to full value for a guy they may only get for one season (assuming he's traded at the deadline or next summer). Still, it would take a significant package as you stated and that's where Kesler's name came up as a "starting point" from the Canucks.
Nuxfan.... I think McKenzie was thinking that Weber would get 7 or more, maybe even 7.5 and Suter 6-6.5? He figured it would take 20-21 million to get the three of them to stay.
"I led the league in "Go get 'em next time." - Bob Uecker
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The Duke
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 19:54:16
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Man that is a lot of $$$$$ for Rinne. Don`t see him play much, is he really that good ??
7 years is a long time. |
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nuxfan
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 20:34:16
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Originally posted by The Duke
Man that is a lot of $$$$$ for Rinne. Don`t see him play much, is he really that good ??
7 years is a long time.
Duke, he is good - last year's Vezina finalist was no fluke. He has a 100-58 career record with 2.34 GA and a .920 SV%, with 20 SO - playing for one of the most offensively challenged teams in the league. 7M is high compared to some other deals (that were signed years ago), but he deserves to be one of the highest paid goalies in the NHL.
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Originally posted by Alex116
Still, it would take a significant package as you stated and that's where Kesler's name came up as a "starting point" from the Canucks.
This is exactly why Weber to VAN does not make any sense, given the current team. Last year, when they were facing the loss of Ehrhoff, Salo, and Bieksa at the end of that season I could see them taking a flyer, but now that they've locked up Bieksa and have Salo again, there is no chance they can fit it all in. I'm assuming Kesler and the Sedin's are untouchable, so to make a Weber deal happen (assuming he asks for 7M a year), you have to lose several of:
- Ballard - he has to go just to make room
- Edler - I think he would be at the top of the list for NSH in terms of desirables, he's a "Weber-minor" for a fraction of the price. As much as I like Weber, I would HATE to lose Edler - he should be the cornerstone of the VAN defense for years to come and will always cost less than Weber.
- Raymond/Booth/Higgins/Burrows - pick 1 or 2 of them, mainly just to clear out salary for Weber's contract
- Hodgson - to add some value
- 1 or 2 first rounders - VAN will be picking very low in the first round, so I'm not terribly worried about losing them.
Really, I would see NSH asking for Edler, Burrows, Hodgson, and the draft picks. VAN makes them take Ballard as part of the package as well. That is too much messing around with what is, quite frankly, an already very good team that doesn't need tinkering with.
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 22:43:42
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The only way i see Kesler in the deal, would be if Hodgson became what at one point, he was expected to be, that being a first or second line center!
Still, Kesler would be tough to let go, and i'm not saying i would endorse it, but i think he'd likely be "asked for" in any deal with Nashville for Weber. Whether or not the Canucks could flat out say "no way" and still find another way to get him would be an entirely different story! |
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Posted - 11/04/2011 : 05:31:31
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I think it's a very smart signing by Nashville, actually.
Smart in that it's a big sign to other players of where this team is going . . . a top notch, in his prime goalie signed long term provides enormous stability to any franchise, and we know what Rinne gives us at this point. He is a fantastic goalie.
Also smart for the fanbase . . . it's all tied together though. But in the end, retaining star players is something the fans will appreciate, however little in numbers they may be, you want to keep them and make them grow.
And, it keeps them competetive. No matter how anemic their scoring might ever be, with a top notch goalie and great defence (see: Weber and Suter), the team will always be competetive. With the right complimentary pieces, it's a contender.
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Beans15
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Posted - 11/04/2011 : 08:01:26
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Gotta agree with everything Slozo said (?!) and also add in the coaching factor. As long as Barry Trotz can continue to spin straw into gold than Nashville will be fine. Nearly every year people have Nashville as a borderline team and nearly every year they are 5thish in the West. With, as stated, an anemic offense.
Goaltending, defense, coaching. That spells success in my book. Not Cups, but success none the less.
Rinne is absolutely an elite keeper and the contract comparable to the current market is reasonable. Most any team in the NHL that is actually trying to be competative and/or not rebuilding will have about $20 million tied up in their top 3 players. It really doesn't matter if those players are forwards, defensemen, or goalies. With the cap at $65ish million, that leaves more than enough money to put a very competative team on the ice.
Nashville is fine. I see Weber getting a long term deal in the range of $7 million and Suter closer to $6 million. |
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The Duke
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 11/05/2011 : 15:35:12
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Thats some pretty impressive numbers Nuxfan...especially considering he is not on one of the leagues elite teams.
I`m sure he has his busy nights between the pipes for Nashville. |
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Guest2782
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Posted - 11/05/2011 : 17:09:42
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| Going to be interesting on Carey Price next year. I think he looks for something in the same ballpark. |
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NSH resigns Rinne, 7yr/49M 
