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Cyclonis
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Posted - 04/02/2012 :  13:57:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Speculation!

Although we have managed to win our way past Montreal as we have the tie-breaker and now sit 3rd as of last night. We should have a really high pick even with the lottery.

What thoughts on this years crop and what is best for the Oil moving forward?

Who should we pick for 2012!?

This young Russian center in Quebec "Mikhail Grigorenko (C)"? 6'3" and 200lbs at his age with real skills! OR a young D like Ryan Murray or Jacob Trouba?

Defensemen take time to develop and since we want to hit the playoffs in one or two years from now I am leaning towards Mikhail.

Edited by - Cyclonis on 04/02/2012 13:58:34

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Posted - 04/02/2012 :  14:11:19  Reply with Quote
My opinion is that teams should select the best player available, regardless of playing position. You can always trade for a defenseman (or goalie) if you need talent at this position. Or you can try to sign a free agent at the position where you're weak as a team.

I have to say that the Oilers do not appear to be tanking it to get the best possible lottery pick. In the last ten games, only four teams have put up more points than the Oilers, so they're not exactly throwing in the towel!

The same cannot be said about the Habs, and maybe I'm naive, but I would have a hard time believing any team (the players) would deliberately throw games to get a better spot in the draft.

I'm not so sure about GM's though. If you go back in history, there have been more than a few examples of teams who traded away "today" for the future, knowing that they had no chance of making the playoffs at the trade deadline. And if you're not going to make the playoffs, you may as well finish with a better draft pick (and for seven rounds) than finish on the outside looking in.
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/02/2012 :  16:21:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Isn't Grigorenko the consensus #2 behind Yakupov? Not that the Oilers couldn't move up during the lottery (or the next / last few games of the season) but everything i hear has him going at #2. The Oil seem to have enough scoring forwards and really need more depth up front as well as some quality dmen. I think they'd prob be happy to pick at 3 or 4 and grab either Murray or Mathew Dumba who some have ranked ahead of Murray as the #1 dman prospect. Dumba is compared to Phaneuf as a more hard hitting yet offensive damn, while Murray has been compared to S. Niedermayer as an all around stud.
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Sensfan101
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Posted - 04/02/2012 :  17:09:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think the Oilers are making a huge mistake if they take Grig ahead of Murray. Not only are the Oilers in need of defensemen I am not at all sold on Grigorenko. From what I've heard he's a pretty lazy guy and doesn't use his size enough. Who knows he could figure it out and become a great player or he could just be the next extremely talented Russian who doesn't try. I would take Yakupov, Murray, Forsberg, Dumba and maybe even Trouba or Galchenyuk before Murray, but then again I'm no expert.

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Cyclonis
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Posted - 04/03/2012 :  10:12:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think Grigorenko is the consensus number two (2)! So as Guest 4178 suggests he would be the best pick - talent wise as per the scouts. Oilers fans have some issues with first round Russian picks, see draft year 2000, 1st round pick Alexei Mikhnov. Do you risk losing a Malkin and take a promising Defenseman?

Yes we have alot of holes to fill and we could use a young puck moving D man which they tried to make Gilbert into and failed miserably. Cam Barker does not seem to be answer here either so...Murray who screams skill to me gives me shivers. I would love to see him play the point on the PP AND help to solidify the defense.

BUT...Grigorenko is exciting due to his size as well though! 6'3" and 200lbs? Really! Who doesn't remember Mario and his size and speed!? So difficult to handle as he was so big and if you are offended i would reference a great like Mario...Joe Thornton in a Bruins sweater after he came into the league working in the corner with D-men bouncing off him! The Oilers have a serious lack of size up front that this young man could address. Exciting no!?
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Clatts
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Posted - 04/03/2012 :  12:23:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ive never seen Grigorenko play, unless he was at the World Juniors in which case I didn't notice him (maybe too much beer). I like Dumba out of Red Deer, that boy can HIT!

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Beans15
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Posted - 04/03/2012 :  17:43:03  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I wish this draft was a little deeper. I think the Oilers have far more than enough young skill players and don't really need another. I would like to see this pick packaged in a trade for a legit top 1 or 2 defenseman or a blue chip goalie.

The top 6 in Edmonton is alreaddy full and a 19 yr old defenseman is likely 3 yrs out from contributing.

Trade the pick
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sahis34
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Posted - 04/03/2012 :  18:25:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Beans15

I wish this draft was a little deeper. I think the Oilers have far more than enough young skill players and don't really need another. I would like to see this pick packaged in a trade for a legit top 1 or 2 defenseman or a blue chip goalie.

The top 6 in Edmonton is alreaddy full and a 19 yr old defenseman is likely 3 yrs out from contributing.

Trade the pick



they could also trade gagner and draft grigerenko, or else trade down and draft a defenseman
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Cyclonis
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Posted - 04/16/2013 :  10:54:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Consensus: They did not build properly!? Taking the BEST player, the seemingly most talented, is a good idea most times in the draft BUT when you have holes to fill you need to address them. I don't know how many times i saw Bob McKenzie on TSN suggest a defenseman but it sticks with you...

Don't be suprised to see Nail or Nuge on the block next year. At the beginning of this thread I posted they should have taken Grigorenko as he was BIG and a CENTER! I wanted to put him between Hall and Eb's (yes i am a dreamer)! Now I have to say I was wrong! Although in my defense Whitney was supposed to be answer.

Anyway! Trouba or Murray should have been the guy. I like Trouba for the attitude and toughness. But they need to START rebuilding the defense and Murray was the best all around D available in my opinion.

MacT has time as he will have the "evaluating talent" cushion all new GM's get but he will be expected to TAKE the reins in Edmonton. I will be shocked if he gives the young oilers a year to mature and i am not sure that it is the answer anyway. *sigh* SO how does the 2013 draft look...?
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Alex116
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Posted - 04/16/2013 :  11:14:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Cyclonis

Consensus: They did not build properly!? Taking the BEST player, the seemingly most talented, is a good idea most times in the draft BUT when you have holes to fill you need to address them. I don't know how many times i saw Bob McKenzie on TSN suggest a defenseman but it sticks with you...

Don't be suprised to see Nail or Nuge on the block next year. At the beginning of this thread I posted they should have taken Grigorenko as he was BIG and a CENTER! I wanted to put him between Hall and Eb's (yes i am a dreamer)! Now I have to say I was wrong! Although in my defense Whitney was supposed to be answer.

Anyway! Trouba or Murray should have been the guy. I like Trouba for the attitude and toughness. But they need to START rebuilding the defense and Murray was the best all around D available in my opinion.




How were you wrong? Is this your opinion because Grigorenko didn't light up the NHL at a young age? Is it fair to say that Murray would have helped the Oilers any more?

I do agree Murray, long term, might have been better than Grigorenko for the Oilers needs at the time, but don't count out Grigs just yet. He could very well turn out to be a real gem.

The main thing, and i think Beans touched on it in his post from last year, is that the Oilers could have made a deal with this pick. I don't necessarily think they should have traded it away completely, but they could have traded down with a team like the Isles or Leafs and gotten either an extra pick or a prospect of some sort as well as their 1st rounder (Reinhart / Rielly).
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