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Clatts
PickupHockey Pro
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 Posted - 04/22/2012 : 17:30:31
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Now that the Penguins are out of the playoffs, is it fair to say that Crosby is not the "Best Player in the World"?
Im not saying he is bad or that he wouldn't be in the running but I think the argument can be made that he is no longer the undisputed best player in the world.
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
Don Cherry on Visors
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 04/22/2012 : 21:56:50
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| I disagree Clatts. When healthy, i still think he's the best! Look at his ppg numbers and consider the fact that he's barely played in the last year + and then answer the question! How many guys can take that much time off from injury and come back and put up points at a higher rated than ANYONE else? |
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Lunchbox
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 04/22/2012 : 22:33:42
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I shudder a little to start this topic again, but obviously the best player in the world is Claude Giroux! ...I mean, only Peter Laviolette's opinion matters, right guys? 
But in all honesty I would still give the nod to Crosby. Losing in the first round of the playoffs doesn't a bad player make. The team played terrible defense most of the way, and Fleury was shaky, and only recovered when it was too late.
Gretzky didn't win every playoff round he ever played...Sometimes a single player can't turn it around on his own, even if he is the best in the world at the time. |
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Clatts
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
266 Posts |
Posted - 04/23/2012 : 00:26:06
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His PPG is amazing but they argument could also be made that if a player only has to play 30 games he might produce at a higher rate than when playing a longer 82 game schedule.
I'm not saying Crosby won't reclaim the title one day, im not even saying he's not the best right now, all im saying is should he have the title of "Best in the World" automatically and undisputed.
I agree he is not the reason the Pens lost, but is that good enough when you have THAT team around you and your "The Best Player in the World" shouldn't you just win!
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
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Guest9227
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 02:59:15
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| I would say honestly Phil Kessel is the best player in the world. I mean ask any leaf fan, they will tell you. |
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mandree888
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 05:39:23
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Originally posted by Guest9227
I would say honestly Phil Kessel is the best player in the world. I mean ask any leaf fan, they will tell you.
i realize you were trying to troll but that was weak Kessel is sooooooooooo not the best in the world wow! and i am a leafs fan! |
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Guest4227
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 05:49:48
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If you considered him the best player in the world 3 weeks ago you should now as well. I think you be hard pressed to find a GM that would take someone over Crosby if they were signing any player to a 3 year deal.
When someone asks me who I think is the best player in the world is this is my thinking:
If the whole team was made out of the same player what team would win. For example Crosby vs Giroux Lunqvist is in both nets and there are 6 Webers on each team playing D. Would 12 Crosby's beat 12 Giroux'. I think they would and I can't see anyone beating Crosby.
Giroux is a lot closer than he was 3 weeks ago. It does help him having Jagr and Hartnell with him. |
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 06:04:36
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Crosby's production over the 30 games he played is comparative to his performance over the the last full season he played.
I love Claude Giroux and think he is a super star. He does some of the things at Crosby does but hasn't done it for long enough or on a big enough stage (Stanely Cup, Golf Medal) to knock Crosby off the top of the mountain.
I still dont think Crosby is at 100%. For that matter, he may never be 100% of his pre injury self. However, I'm not ready to make that statement yet. Crosby is still #1 in my books but it is likely more disputed today than it was before his injury. We can talk about this again after the first 40 games of next season.
Finally, I think it is incredibly short sighted and unfair to make comments about Crosby based on this team losing in the playoffs. Fluery was garbage for 3-4 of the six games and their PK couldn't stop anything.
I can't see ow Crosby is responsible for that. He did his job through the series. Other Penguin players did not.
Daniel Alfredsson is the MVP of the universe. All hail the Ottawa Senators!!!!! |
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Cyclonis
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 09:05:58
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Crosby goes first overall in our Pool draft constantly, injured or not! Nuff said!
Giroux is rocking this year though! Great Season! |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 10:42:52
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Based on 1st round performance Giroux looked like the better player. Going on the Crosby points per game point in the 2012 season, I think there is statistics to back up how an injured player coming back from an injury usually has a spike in his stats due to the other teams adjusting to him being in the lineup and the fatigue factor. They usually have a good 2-3 game run and then the other team adjusts and fatigue sets in. Heard this on TSN while the analyst were discussing Crosby's 1st round performance and stats prior to the end of the season. I'd put Crosby right near the top of the league but maybe not automatically my first choice.
If I was drafting a team out of all possible candidates I may look to other players 1st, based on being an all around better player with lessor stats and a bigger presence. I always like Selke candidates type players when considering best player in the world before looking to points per game. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 10:58:23
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Clatts....i know there's the argument that a guy may not keep up that pace, but look at the fact he was coming off such a long inactive stretch! Ray Ferraro mentioned it this morning when he was comparing it to Daniel Sedin coming back and playing as well as he did for the two games he got into after 5 weeks off. He mentioned how Crosby had 6 of his 8 playoff points in the first half of games. He was not in game shape, at least not like he would be mid season without injury. For him to come back like he did and put up those numbers is crazy!
Crosby would be an easy choice for me, though i won't say i'm right for saying that. |
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simleung
Top Prospect
Canada
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 13:02:53
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Since we are not talking purely about scoring, I think you have to throw Jonathan Toews in there for his defensive ability and coming through in the clutch.
To the question of "If the whole team was made out of the same player what team would win.", I think 12 Crosby's beats 12 Giroux's. But I think 12 Toews's beats 12 Crosby's.
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 13:16:20
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If you want 12 of the same player I'd take 12 Chara's. No way the series would end with 12 of the other players, but 12 Chara's would still be standing. I dont think you can base best player in the world that way. It was interesting however.quote:
Originally posted by simleung
Since we are not talking purely about scoring, I think you have to throw Jonathan Toews in there for his defensive ability and coming through in the clutch.
To the question of "If the whole team was made out of the same player what team would win.", I think 12 Crosby's beats 12 Giroux's. But I think 12 Toews's beats 12 Crosby's.
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