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Guest9184
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 Posted - 04/23/2012 : 16:18:49
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Poll Question:
In 2012-2013 Roberto Luongo will be...
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 04/23/2012 : 20:31:06
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| Going with my gut and saying that he'll be on another team. I think he's too much of a competitor and has too much pride to not waive his NTC. |
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Shepsky
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 04:32:45
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Hell, I still like Luongo as a goalie, and I think he can find his true form again on another team. Why not throw a Leafs jersey on him and send him to Toronto...
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Guest6786
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 05:19:06
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| no doubt Burke would love Luongo in a Leafs jersey, but not with that contract.... |
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Guest4846
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 06:28:46
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| That's a tough question(s)...I don't know if anybody would want to take that contract. Unless that amnesty clause kicks in. But I'd guess right now he stays a Canuck. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 07:40:31
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Originally posted by Guest4846
That's a tough question(s)...I don't know if anybody would want to take that contract. Unless that amnesty clause kicks in. But I'd guess right now he stays a Canuck.
If not for the NTC, i'd almost guarantee you that another team would take on that contract. Prob is, Lu can dictate what teams he'll go to and that reduces 29 possibilities down to maybe 3 or 4? Ok, in fairness, i'm sure there's prob 15 - 20 who are set and wouldn't want/need him (LA, Nash, NYR, Bos, Buf, etc) but fact is, there's only a few that he'd be likely to accept a trade to.
You have to keep in mind, his cap hit is only 5.3 which is pretty reasonable AND, the big dollars (the 10M dollar seasons) are already off the books! |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 08:20:44
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I dont see him accepting a backup role and if Schneider's contract negotiation goes well will assume he requests a trade.
This is all assuming Schneider doesn't ask for too much and Vancouver is willing to pay him a good amount for 1 and 1/2 years performance plus 3 post season games. I am not saying he isn't starter material, or the better goalie, but contract negotiation is a funny thing were a team makes a case to pay less and a player makes a case for max value. Loungo is already signed and as another poster has pointed out going forward Loungo's value is closer to pay worth. It might surprise us all that Loungo may be the goalie the Canucks go forward with. |
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Guest6786
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 08:49:45
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Originally posted by Alex116
You have to keep in mind, his cap hit is only 5.3 which is pretty reasonable AND, the big dollars (the 10M dollar seasons) are already off the books!
the cap hit per season is very reasonable. unfortunately its not the amount but the length. a lot of teams would love to have Luongo for the next 3 -4 years at that price, but not until 2022. |
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Guest4085
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 08:58:44
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
I dont see him accepting a backup role and if Schneider's contract negotiation goes well will assume he requests a trade.
This is all assuming Schneider doesn't ask for too much and Vancouver is willing to pay him a good amount for 1 and 1/2 years performance plus 3 post season games. I am not saying he isn't starter material, or the better goalie, but contract negotiation is a funny thing were a team makes a case to pay less and a player makes a case for max value. Loungo is already signed and as another poster has pointed out going forward Loungo's value is closer to pay worth. It might surprise us all that Loungo may be the goalie the Canucks go forward with.
Schneider won't set the asking price, another team will put in an offer sheet and Van will either match or not. |
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Clatts
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 08:59:24
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Guest 4085 was me
"Most of the guys that wear them are Europeans and French Guys."
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 09:07:57
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| If Van doesn't use the right of a offer sheet before another team gets a shot in the offseason I'd say the price will be too high. This kid played good enough Tampa, NYI, Columbus, etc.... might offer him a contract the Canucks might not want to match and avoid the Loungo sweepstakes all together. He did play Loungo out of the #1 this post season. If they seriously want him as there #1 going forward they better put something in front of him now before RFA kicks in. |
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nuxfan
PickupHockey All-Star
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 09:11:29
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Luongo will not accept being a backup, and frankly at 5.3M per season, VAN cannot afford to have him in that role - assuming that keeping Schneider will cost 2.5-3M per season, that would be nearly 9M spent on goaltending, too much for a team close to the cap.
The Canucks do not have to be worried about an offer sheet right away, they have arbitration rights on Schneider, which if invoked would protect Schneider from offer sheets until his hearing in late July. It would be a defensive move, and no doubt they would be able to come to an agreement before that time.
I believe that VAN will probably shop both goalies, and see what deal helps the team the most. Schneider is the better goalie prospect at this point (ie, he has more upside), but Luongo is far from expired, and will still be a good goalie for a few more years. If VAN could get an exceptional package of prospects/picks/players for Schneider, it may be worth moving him and going with the improved team up front and Luongo in the net. If not, then deal Luongo and tweak where necessary.
Like I said, its going to be an interesting summer in Vancouver. |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 09:20:55
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I agree $2.5-$3 million is his worth, but if he reaches RFA status I expect a larger offer in the $3.5-$4 million over 5-6 years. Its above his worth in Vancouver, but teams needing a goalie now elsewhere, with his level of play this season may overpay to put the Canucks in a bad position. The more I think of this the more I believe Loungo is the man long term in Vanquote:
Originally posted by nuxfan
Luongo will not accept being a backup, and frankly at 5.3M per season, VAN cannot afford to have him in that role - assuming that keeping Schneider will cost 2.5-3M per season, that would be nearly 9M spent on goaltending, too much for a team close to the cap.
The Canucks do not have to be worried about an offer sheet right away, they have arbitration rights on Schneider, which if invoked would protect Schneider from offer sheets until his hearing in late July. It would be a defensive move, and no doubt they would be able to come to an agreement before that time.
I believe that VAN will probably shop both goalies, and see what deal helps the team the most. Schneider is the better goalie prospect at this point (ie, he has more upside), but Luongo is far from expired, and will still be a good goalie for a few more years. If VAN could get an exceptional package of prospects/picks/players for Schneider, it may be worth moving him and going with the improved team up front and Luongo in the net. If not, then deal Luongo and tweak where necessary.
Like I said, its going to be an interesting summer in Vancouver.
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Beans15
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 09:27:53
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I will be shocked in a team puts in an offer sheet for Schneider. Reason being is I would assume Vancouver will match any offer of less than $4 mil/seasons without thinking about it. That means a team will have to pony up more than $4 mil which also means at least a 1st and a 3rd and possibly a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd going to Vancouver.
I think that is over value for Schneider.
Really, if the CBA includes a reduction in the cap and there is an amnesty clause (a la the NBA) then that is the best answer for the Canucks. The simply walk away from the deal. Luongo also would be a free agent and pick where he wants to go.
The only negative in that situation is to Luonog and the $39 million he is owed over the next 7 years. No way he gets a deal that rich for that long on the open market. He might still get close to $5 mil/ season but not for 7 years.
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Lee Marshall
Rookie
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 09:47:38
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Buy Bobby Loo a bathing suit, a sticky blocker and springs for his knees. Then he can take his face-first nose dives, his lost stick and and his flailing worm impersonation elsewhere. Oh...and buy him a piece of plywood for his gaping 5-hole while you're at it. HE is the most over-rated goalie of the 21st century...so far.
I hope Toronto leaves him alone. We don't need another non goalie.
Who the cap fits...Let them wear it. |
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JOSHUACANADA
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
2308 Posts |
Posted - 04/24/2012 : 10:18:35
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| Funny but not true. Bobby Lou would be the best goalie to suit up for the Leafs since the lock out. |
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Lee Marshall
Rookie
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 10:23:29
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Originally posted by JOSHUACANADA
Funny but not true. Bobby Lou would be the best goalie to suit up for the Leafs since the lock out.
Great...13th instead of 14th. Whoo-hoo!!!
Who the cap fits...Let them wear it. |
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Alex116
PickupHockey Legend
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 10:50:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Lee Marshall
Buy Bobby Loo a bathing suit, a sticky blocker and springs for his knees. Then he can take his face-first nose dives, his lost stick and and his flailing worm impersonation elsewhere. Oh...and buy him a piece of plywood for his gaping 5-hole while you're at it. HE is the most over-rated goalie of the 21st century...so far.
I hope Toronto leaves him alone. We don't need another non goalie.
Who the cap fits...Let them wear it.
Lol....love the sticky blocker bit. He did seem to lose his stick an awful lot!!! |
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just1n
PickupHockey Pro
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Posted - 04/24/2012 : 12:49:39
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Originally posted by Lee Marshall
Buy Bobby Loo a bathing suit, a sticky blocker and springs for his knees. Then he can take his face-first nose dives, his lost stick and and his flailing worm impersonation elsewhere. Oh...and buy him a piece of plywood for his gaping 5-hole while you're at it. HE is the most over-rated goalie of the 21st century...so far.
LOL - the worm. Hahaha. Too funny.
Anyway, but the sounds of this article, sounds like he's ready to be on his way: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/luongo-willing-to-waive-no-trade-clause/article2412658/
Tough call, and I wouldn't expect him to be gone just yet. I'm not sure if they can sign and trade Schneider, but that would net a decent return. I'm just not sure if Lu's contract can be moved.
To be honest, it would be interesting to see how he does in another market other than Vancouver. I live in Van, and the media will hate on any goalie we have.
Another note, I think Lack is almost ready for the big show as a backup. |
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