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leafsfan_101
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SlowShot
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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 Posted - 07/12/2007 : 14:02:00
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Do you know for how much he signed for?
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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 14:06:09
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$27 million over 5 years is what I just heard from a TSN sportsbreak
Edmonton has seriously improved their D on the PP with Pitkanen and Souray.
Staios/Greene as stay at home guys.
Smid and Tarnstrom as a couple of two way defensemen.
Looking good.
A couple of goal scorers and we are there!
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SlowShot
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 14:10:54
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5.4 million a year that would average around. I think that was little to much. But edmonton will have a great d core this season.
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willus3
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Canada
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 14:12:26
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Why does it not surprise me that Edmonton signed this guy.
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Beans15
Moderator
Canada
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 14:56:45
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There are a couple of reasons I can think of:
1) They still needed a proven defensemen.
2) Their PP has been one of the worst in the league for like 10 years.
3) They needed to prove to the fans they will spend money on players.
4) He's a home town boy. (Born in Elk Point Alberta)
I think $5+ mill is a little much for him, but look at the list of other $5+ million defensemen. Does he belong??
Johnsson, Kim
Niedermayer, Scott
Pronger, Chris
Schneider, Mathieu
Blake, Rob
Jovanovski, Ed
Lidstrom, Nicklas
Rafalski, Brian
Chara, Zdeno
Markov, Andrei
Hamrlik, Roman
Redden, Wade
McCabe, Bryan
Kubina, Pavel
Timonen, Kimmo
Gonchar, Sergei
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
816 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2007 : 15:16:43
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| Has his wife agreed to this contract yet? |
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OILINONTARIO
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/12/2007 : 16:20:33
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Originally posted by Beans15
There are a couple of reasons I can think of:
1) They still needed a proven defensemen.
2) Their PP has been one of the worst in the league for like 10 years.
3) They needed to prove to the fans they will spend money on players.
4) He's a home town boy. (Born in Elk Point Alberta)
I think $5+ mill is a little much for him, but look at the list of other $5+ million defensemen. Does he belong??
Johnsson, Kim yes
Niedermayer, Scott no
Pronger, Chris no
Schneider, Mathieu yes
Blake, Rob yes
Jovanovski, Ed no
Lidstrom, Nicklas no
Rafalski, Brian yes
Chara, Zdeno yes
Markov, Andrei yes
Hamrlik, Roman yes
Redden, Wade no
McCabe, Bryan oh, yeah
Kubina, Pavel yeah, yeah
Timonen, Kimmo yes
Gonchar, Sergei no
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 10:25:58
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It's always good to add a -29 player on your team.
He will only be effective on the PP, he's a liability on defence out there. |
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SlowShot
PickupHockey Pro
Canada
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 11:26:15
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Well I would take Souray anyday over mccabe or jovo anyday on the list beans showed.
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PainTrain
PickupHockey Veteran
Canada
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 12:46:29
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Kim Johnssonn is making 5 million $!?
He is definatley not that kind of money. Nick Shultz is better in my mind, sure he doesn't produce a lot of point but he never makes a mistake on the blue line and always has great positioning. He could be more offensive but he just plays the safe side for everything. But Kim Johnsson is not a 5 mill type player. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 16:59:52
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I think that with players like Greene and Staios who are proven stay at home d-men, Souray won't be that big if a liability. I can't see him getting much PK time, but I don't think he was brought in to be a PK guy.
And, not trying to say that he is an amazing defensive player, but he is -27 in 506 regular season games. So before last year he was not a minus player.
I am thinking I like the Oilers defense for next year. This is what I think it will look like.
Staios-Pitkanen
Greene-Souray
Tarnstrom-Smid
That's not bad. Just a couple of snipers. C'mon K-Lowe, you can do it!
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 17:18:45
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Originally posted by SlowShot
Well I would take Souray anyday over mccabe or jovo anyday on the list beans showed.
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But why they are almost the same. Souray looks like McCabe from 05-06. Look at the stats.
McCabe- GP G A PTS PIM +/- PPG
73 19 49 68 116 -1 13
Souray- GP G A PTS PIM +/- PPG
81 26 38 64 135 -28 19
In my opinion McCabe looks better. Souray took more penalties and had a horrible +/-. I think Edmonton needed Souray but they might not be able to handle the penalties. And here are McCabe's stats from this year if your interested.
McCabe 06/07- GP G A PTS +/- PIM PPG
82 15 42 57 3 115 11
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Leafsgirl 48
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Posted - 07/13/2007 : 19:10:58
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Good move by Edmonton. Souray might be the key to this team this year. He is a good defenceman and that is what the Oilers need in their team.
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Beans15
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Posted - 07/14/2007 : 09:46:48
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The Oilers can't handle the penalties?? Did you watch the Oilers much last year?? The Oilers finished in the top 10 in PK, and before the last 20 games of the season, they were #1 in the league in PK.
Souray had about 2 minutes in penalties for every point he produced last year, and that is a great trade off for a decent defensive team who finished dead last in offensive production and 27th on the PP.
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Pasty7
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Posted - 07/15/2007 : 13:30:31
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Originally posted by Beans15
I think that with players like Greene and Staios who are proven stay at home d-men, Souray won't be that big if a liability. I can't see him getting much PK time, but I don't think he was brought in to be a PK guy.
And, not trying to say that he is an amazing defensive player, but he is -27 in 506 regular season games. So before last year he was not a minus player.
I am thinking I like the Oilers defense for next year. This is what I think it will look like.
Staios-Pitkanen
Greene-Souray
Tarnstrom-Smid
That's not bad. Just a couple of snipers. C'mon K-Lowe, you can do it!
I Love your Kids, IHC is the man, and The Oilers Rule. Does that make me insane??
he is minus 39 over his last two seasons when the new nhl has taken effect,, hes a very slow footed d man and now that he can not use his long reach to clutch grab and hook as much he has become a very poor defensive player perhaps the poorest next to hatcher
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Now, I jacked this from a similar discussion off a seperate site. These are not my words, however this guy brought up some interesting points and I thought I would share it with you guys. Enjoy!
"Okay, I am going to say this once and that is it. All of you people that are getting hung up on Souray's +/- need to relax.
+/- is just one stat, and not a very good stat at that. Lets take a look at some of the +/- stats that are out there.
Defencemen:
Chara: -21
Foote: -17
Norstrom : -18
Morris: -18
Aucoin: -22
Blake: -26
Forwards:
P.Bergeron: -28
Ryder: -25
Kapanen: -21
York: -18
Savard: -19
Richards: -19
Sykora: -20
Kovalev: -19
AND THE BEST ONE ......
Ovechkin: -19
Are you telling me that all of these guys are terrible players and that they are a liablilty to their team? I am pretty sure you would take most of those guys on your team.
C'mon, look at it - bad teams are going to have minus players, no question about it.
I'll even throw this one out at you.
Two years ago Chris Pronger finished at +2 with the Oilers. Now I ask you you, would you rather have Pronger or:
Rozsival: +35
Mezsaros: +34
Schneider: +34
Malik: +28
Now I am no rocket scientist but those guys were on the ice for 30 more even strength goals than Pronger. All you guys that whine about Souray's +/- would rather have one of those dmen than Pronger I guess. The only stat that +/- can tell you is whether or not your team scores lots of 5 on 5 goals. and like I said before, I don't care at what strength my team scores goals, as long as they score them.
Do you think that a coach is going to lose sleep over his team's 5 on 5 play if they have a powerplay that is running at 50% efficiency? I think not.
How about this as well...
In 2005/06 when Philly had a pretty good team, Pitkanen was +22. Last year when philly was brutal, Pitkanen dropped to -25. Does that mean he is that bad of a player now?
Souray is exactly what the Oilers needed. A big stud defencemen, that can log alot of minutes, and put up some offensive numbers. His PP presence alone will do wonders for Hemmer and his ability to work off the halfboards."
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Pasty7
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Posted - 07/15/2007 : 19:34:18
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Originally posted by Guest8836
Now, I jacked this from a similar discussion off a seperate site. These are not my words, however this guy brought up some interesting points and I thought I would share it with you guys. Enjoy!
"Okay, I am going to say this once and that is it. All of you people that are getting hung up on Souray's +/- need to relax.
+/- is just one stat, and not a very good stat at that. Lets take a look at some of the +/- stats that are out there.
Defencemen:
Chara: -21
Foote: -17
Norstrom : -18
Morris: -18
Aucoin: -22
Blake: -26
Forwards:
P.Bergeron: -28
Ryder: -25
Kapanen: -21
York: -18
Savard: -19
Richards: -19
Sykora: -20
Kovalev: -19
AND THE BEST ONE ......
Ovechkin: -19
Are you telling me that all of these guys are terrible players and that they are a liablilty to their team? I am pretty sure you would take most of those guys on your team.
C'mon, look at it - bad teams are going to have minus players, no question about it.
I'll even throw this one out at you.
Two years ago Chris Pronger finished at +2 with the Oilers. Now I ask you you, would you rather have Pronger or:
Rozsival: +35
Mezsaros: +34
Schneider: +34
Malik: +28
Now I am no rocket scientist but those guys were on the ice for 30 more even strength goals than Pronger. All you guys that whine about Souray's +/- would rather have one of those dmen than Pronger I guess. The only stat that +/- can tell you is whether or not your team scores lots of 5 on 5 goals. and like I said before, I don't care at what strength my team scores goals, as long as they score them.
Do you think that a coach is going to lose sleep over his team's 5 on 5 play if they have a powerplay that is running at 50% efficiency? I think not.
How about this as well...
In 2005/06 when Philly had a pretty good team, Pitkanen was +22. Last year when philly was brutal, Pitkanen dropped to -25. Does that mean he is that bad of a player now?
Souray is exactly what the Oilers needed. A big stud defencemen, that can log alot of minutes, and put up some offensive numbers. His PP presence alone will do wonders for Hemmer and his ability to work off the halfboards."
you/the guy girl that wrote this are right it is jsut a stat but its not just a stat in souray`s case he didn;t even lead mtl d men in ice time for one and just watching him play he makes 3 to 4 critical errors per periode at least,, i watch every mtl game in a season and it scares me the way he leaves our goalies out to dry,,,,, sure there are great players who have an off year plus minus wise but if you look at all those players you named career stats they are all or 90% of them overall + players,, souray isn`t
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