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willus3
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 Posted - 08/05/2007 : 20:08:35
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I stole this Idea because I liked it so much. Here's how it works. post some What if scenarios. People can respond to them if they wish but don't have to of course. I think it will be interesting to see some of the What Ifs that come up.
For example:
What if Steve Smith doesn't put the puck in his own net? Do the Oilers go on to win the Cup that year?
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 20:13:33
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| What if Pelle Lindberg hadn't died? Could've changed the initial Lindros trade involving Hextall. As for your hypo, we wouldn't have won the cup that year anyway. That was, however, an incredible learning experience for the rookie, Smith. Hardly ever f'ed up again,did he? |
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Guest9948
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 20:15:32
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Yes, the Oilers would have beaten the Montreal Canadiens that year. They would have won 5 straight cups... And while we're at it, if Gretzky hadn't have been traded, they would have won in 89 as well. 90 is a given, since they won that year anyway. They would have easily won 7 straight cups if these "what ifs" has occured. I'm sure they would have continued on from there as well. But hockey would have not evolved as we know it.
How do you think hockey would be different today under the above scenarios? |
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Guest5456
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 20:18:15
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quote:
Originally posted by willus3
I stole this Idea because I liked it so much. Here's how it works. post some What if scenarios. People can respond to them if they wish but don't have to of course. I think it will be interesting to see some of the What Ifs that come up.
For example:
What if Steve Smith doesn't put the puck in his own net? Do the Oilers go on to win the Cup that year?
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
What if Gretzky was a defencemen? |
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willus3
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 20:23:17
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
What if Pelle Lindberg hadn't died? Could've changed the initial Lindros trade involving Hextall.
This ties in nicely with the guest response about Edmonton. I think Philly may have been able to take 86 and 87 Cups with Pelle. It's a definite possibility.
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 20:23:24
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| He would have been switched to center in very short order. Gretzky, that is, not Lindberg. |
Edited by - OILINONTARIO on 08/05/2007 20:28:30 |
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 20:30:58
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| What if Gretz had signed with Winnipeg instead of Edmonton (it almost happened)? |
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willus3
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 21:09:08
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What if Lindros doesn't sustain any concussions...
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 21:13:55
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| What if the Nords had moved to Denver one year earlier? Isn't Lindros just Mr. Hypothetical Guy? |
Edited by - OILINONTARIO on 08/05/2007 21:15:29 |
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willus3
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 21:27:39
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What if Boston doesn't get that too many men on the ice penalty in the series against Montreal? Oh boy...
"You are not your desktop wallpaper" |
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willus3
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 21:32:11
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Further on a previous post. What if Mark Howe doesn't get injured by a goal post and Pelle Lindbergh doesn't die? Does Philly take away a few of Edmonton's cups?
"You are not your desktop wallpaper" |
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 21:35:06
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Originally posted by willus3
What if Boston doesn't get that too many men on the ice penalty in the series against Montreal? Oh boy...
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
Once again, much ado about nothing. The better team won. The Flower would have wired that shot from anywhere, anyway, anyhow. I love that clip. What a shot! |
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willus3
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 21:43:41
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What if Michel Briere hadn't died so prematurely...
What would we have seen from him?
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willus3
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 21:45:52
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What if the Canadiens had drafted Denis Savard like everyone expected them to...
"You are not your desktop wallpaper" |
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Guest9980
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 22:05:09
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| What if the Oilers drafted Shane Doan (like everyone expected them to)? |
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Guest9980
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Posted - 08/05/2007 : 22:07:46
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quote:
Originally posted by willus3
What if Michel Briere hadn't died so prematurely...
What would we have seen from him?
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
Never heard of him. Please tell more. |
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1 Crosby fan
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andyhack
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 03:53:19
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Originally posted by OILINONTARIO
quote:
Originally posted by willus3
What if Boston doesn't get that too many men on the ice penalty in the series against Montreal? Oh boy...
"You are not your desktop wallpaper"
Once again, much ado about nothing. The better team won. The Flower would have wired that shot from anywhere, anyway, anyhow. I love that clip. What a shot!
I agree with you that there is good reason to believe that Guy would have scored anyway, but I'd argue that his chances of scoring went up by a significant percentage as a result of the penalty, so maybe it remains much ado about "something" . Perhaps a just as if not more interesting question would be what if Donnie Marcotte's great chance in overtime, on which he started to put his arms up, would have been a centimetre or two to the right? Well, that's an easy "what if" I guess. As OILINONTARIO correctly points out, the better team would have lost, BUT, the team with maybe as big a heart (that's haaaaat in New England) as a team ever had would have won. And that would have been a better lesson for the kids, in this Bruin fan's humble and BITTER opinion!
Switching to another Bruin what if (we have A LOT of these!), one that I often wonder about is what if the Ulf-Cam thing hadn't happened. Though I do think about it in terms of Cam's overall career, I realize that the way he played the game made the chances of some injury coming along greater than many other players. So what I specifically wonder about a lot more than his career is what his production would have ended up being in that year's playoffs. Cam had, I believe, 16 goals at the time (think it was the third game of the semifinals with the Bs leading Two Games to None). Am I the only one who thinks Ulf may very well have cut down the first 20 goal playoff season in the history of hockey that night? |
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willus3
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willus3
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 07:15:14
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Originally posted by andyhack
Switching to another Bruin what if (we have A LOT of these!), one that I often wonder about is what if the Ulf-Cam thing hadn't happened. Though I do think about it in terms of Cam's overall career, I realize that the way he played the game made the chances of some injury coming along greater than many other players. So what I specifically wonder about a lot more than his career is what his production would have ended up being in that year's playoffs. Cam had, I believe, 16 goals at the time (think it was the third game of the semifinals with the Bs leading Two Games to None). Am I the only one who thinks Ulf may very well have cut down the first 20 goal playoff season in the history of hockey that night?
It's very possible. For me Cam is one of the 3 greatest What Ifs in Hockey.
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leafsfan_101
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 10:09:06
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What if Harrold Ballard and Stafford Smythe never purchased the Leafs? Or what if Cliff fletcher hadn't saved the Leafs?
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Guest8836
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 14:54:21
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Didn't PIttsburgh land Crosby as the #1 pick by winning a lottery involving all 30 teams in the draft year after the lockout?
If so, then all 30 teams had a chance at Crosby. What if a juggernaut team like Detroit won that lottery? Or a stacked Ottawa? |
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 15:19:55
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Originally posted by Guest8836
Didn't PIttsburgh land Crosby as the #1 pick by winning a lottery involving all 30 teams in the draft year after the lockout?
If so, then all 30 teams had a chance at Crosby. What if a juggernaut team like Detroit won that lottery? Or a stacked Ottawa?
The draft lottery is weighted so that the poorer teams from the previous year have a better chance of landing the #1 pick. This was instated so that no team could intentionally blow games near the end of the season to ensure themselves the top pick. Teams like Ottawa and Detroit had zero chance of landing #1 owing to their success in the regular season. |
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PuckNuts
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 18:43:25
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What if water froze from the bottom to the top...Would we still have hockey?
I don't necessarily agree with everything I say.
- - Marshall McLuhan
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Mikhailova
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 19:20:48
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Originally posted by PuckNuts
What if water froze from the bottom to the top...Would we still have hockey?
Yeah, just on a watery rink. Or we could just go with roller hockey
What if Gary Bettman was fired? What if the Sabres won the Cup next year? What if Minnesota won the NCAA national championship? The answer: Mik = |
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SlowShot
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Posted - 08/06/2007 : 22:29:52
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What if Betman wasn't circumsized?
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 15:58:20
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| Ummmmmmmmmm, yeah. I guess he'd be Jewish. Or just circumcized. What if Leafs' fans maintained their team loyalty past the age of 16? |
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SlowShot
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 16:02:18
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What if oilers fans didn't jump the flames bandwagon when calgary went to the cup. :)
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 16:13:17
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Jump on the Bandwagon?? No real Oiler Fans did that. The phony fans did with their stupid car flags and everything else. But not a single true Oiler Fan I know jumped on the Bandwagon.
And how would you know?? Are you not in BC??
If you are under the age of 15, please do some research before you make a post about anything pre-1997. |
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 16:20:36
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| Never heard of that happening, to be quite honest. Living in Ontario, I've seen a lot of people who have previously hated eveything to do with the fair province of Alberta turning their coats in favour of both of Alta's teams' respective playoff runs. Just keep hating the Senators. That's way easier than supporting the Leafs. Maybe next year, right? |
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andyhack
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 16:20:46
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What if Bill Torrey hadn't pulled off the deadline trade for Butch Goring in 1980, which many credit as a key move in pushing the Isles over the hump that they were stalled at in the late '70s. There can be little doubt that having a strong second centreman like Goring benefitted Trottier in a big way.
Or were the Isles too good for anyone in the post-Habs dynasty early '80s anyway?
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spade632
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Posted - 09/10/2007 : 17:02:11
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At the risk of opening a can of worms. (and no disrespect to the dead)
What if Bill Barilko hadn't dissappeared? |
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Patchy
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Posted - 09/10/2007 : 19:00:42
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quote:
Originally posted by spade632
What if Bill Barilko hadn't dissappeared?
Better yet...what if he had never been discovered?? 
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 09/10/2007 : 19:29:33
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What if Walter Gretzky had been with him on that infamous fishing trip?
The Oil WILL make the playoffs. |
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PainTrain
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Posted - 09/10/2007 : 19:42:59
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What if Brett Hull didn't score the stanley cup winning overtime goal against the Sabres?
No Sacrifice , No Victory! |
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spade632
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Posted - 09/11/2007 : 11:21:30
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Originally posted by PainTrain
What if Brett Hull didn't score the stanley cup winning overtime goal against the Sabres?
No Sacrifice , No Victory!
Shouldn't the question be "What if the officials had made the proper call and disallowed Hull's goal?" - His toe WAS in the crease after all.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4_URO6cwLbM - the goal in question |
Edited by - spade632 on 09/11/2007 11:25:09 |
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willus3
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andyhack
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Posted - 10/14/2007 : 20:17:18
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If you would have asked me in 1984, after the Oilers won their first Cup, and ten years before Messier led the Rangers to their Cup, to name some of the best hockey players in the world, Messier would have, without a doubt, been on my list. He would have been on it with even greater emphasis after his banner (and MVP) year in 1990, again leading the Oilers to the Cup.
The Ranger thing was undeniably HUGE for his legacy, and kind of mystical with him coming through bigtime to keep his "guarantee" in Game 6 of the semis against the Devils, BUT even without it, he still SHOULD have gone done as a LEGEND (though it is possible that he WOULDN'T have, perhaps not quite as much anyway).
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