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Beans15
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 Posted - 08/07/2007 : 11:27:42
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In a different thread it was brought up about "One Line" teams such as Tampa Bay. TB did win a Cup in 2004 with primarily one line of offensive stars. Another team that almost won the Cup with primarily one line was the 93 Kings with Gretzky. Posted below are the rosters of the 04 Lightning, the 04 Flames(who TB beat for the Cup), the 93 Kings, and the 93 Canadiens who beat LA.
Considering the teams in question and the teams they faced in the finals the questions are:
Do you think the TB team that won was a "one line" team?
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Between the 04 Lightning and the 93 Kings, which was the "more complete" of the two teams?
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 11:28:20
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2004 Lightning Roster (those players who played in the PO for Tampa)
Skaters
Stanislav Neckar
Ben Clymer
Martin Cibak
Jassen Cullimore
Eric Perrin
Brad Lukowich
Nolan Pratt
Cory Stillman
Andre Roy
Ruslan Fedotenko
Pavel Kubina
Martin St. Louis
Brad Richards
Vincent Lecavalier
Fredrik Modin
Dave Andreychuk
Dan Boyle
Tim Taylor
Cory Sarich
Dmitry Afanasenkov
Darryl Sydor
Chris Dingman
Goalies
John Grahame
Nikolai Khabibulin
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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 11:35:37
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Calgary Flames 2004
Skaters
Brennan Evans
Toni Lydman
Denis Gauthier
Dave Lowry
Matthew Lombardi
Chris Simon
Krzysztof Oliwa
Steve Montador
Mike Commodore
Stephane Yelle
Shean Donovan
Rhett Warrener
Ville Nieminen
Jarome Iginla
Craig Conroy
Martin Gelinas
Jordan Leopold
Oleg Saprykin
Chris Clark
Robyn Regehr
Chuck Kobasew
Andrew Ference
Marcus Nilson
Goalies
Miikka Kiprusoff
Jamie McLennan
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Beans15
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Canada
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 11:36:28
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1993 Kings
Skaters
Lonnie Loach
Marc Potvin
Jim Thomson
Mark Hardy
Gary Shuchuk
Jimmy Carson
Dave Taylor
Tim Watters
Rob Blake
Corey Millen
Charlie Huddy
Warren Rychel
Luc Robitaille
Jari Kurri
Tony Granato
Mike Donnelly
Wayne Gretzky
Tomas Sandstrom
Alexei Zhitnik
Marty McSorley
Darryl Sydor
Pat Conacher
Goalies
Robb Stauber
Kelly Hrudey
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 11:38:33
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93 Canadiens
Skaters
Todd Ewen
Oleg Petrov
Donald Dufresne
Mario Roberge
Sean Hill
Rob Ramage
Jesse Belanger
Mathieu Schneider
Gary Leeman
Stephan Lebeau
Denis Savard
Ed Ronan
Kevin Haller
Paul DiPietro
Brian Bellows
Mike Keane
Vincent Damphousse
Kirk Muller
Gilbert Dionne
Eric Desjardins
John LeClair
Patrice Brisebois
Benoit Brunet
J.J. Daigneault
Guy Carbonneau
Lyle Odelein
Goalies
Patrick Roy
Andre Racicot
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willus3
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 15:11:08
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For Tampa I see a goalie who was hot, a couple of decent or better defensemen and two solid forward lines, one of which was tops in the league at the time.
For LA I see a goalie who was playing well, a couple of decent, young defensemen in Blake and Sydor and two solid forward lines one of which was the best in the league that year.
I'm going to call that one a draw.
And as I said in the other thread, LA was better than most give them credit for. That's a pretty decent roster.
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OILINONTARIO
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 15:34:41
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| Just wondering, Beans, how was it determined the order in which these players were listed? I'm not implying anything, just interested. |
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/07/2007 : 16:15:47
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If I remember correctly, I went onto hockeydb.com and went to the team roster for the year. I copied into excel and sorted out the players that had 0 playoff games for that team. Then I think I sorted it by position and then threw the goalies on the bottom.
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willus3
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 11:24:32
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Beans, were you a little surprised at the roster for LA after you looked it up?
It's a pretty solid team.
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Beans15
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 16:44:17
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Not Really Willus. The only ones I forgot were on that team were Sydor and Blake. However, that was pretty early in both of their careers, so they were far from developed.
After looking at both rosters I would put my money on the Kings in this one. Gretz had 40 points that playoff series and was playing most of the time with Sanstrom and Robitaille (or was Kurri there too. I remember Kurri playing with Carson on the 2nd line), who both signifiantly benefitted from WG. But, the LA defense was better than TB's. The goalie match up goes to TB.
What actually surprised me the most is that on paper, the LA teams looks stronger than the Montreal team. Roy totally deserved that Conn Smythe because Mont didn't have the firepower to win it on their own.
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PuckNuts
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Posted - 08/09/2007 : 17:33:54
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It is difficult to rate the teams against each other if you do not do the research on the players to find out if they are starting a career, in the middle, or in their twilight.
Some of us see a players name and associate him with a great career, when in 1993 (for example) he was just starting out and was not a star in the league as of yet.
Imagine this same conversation in ten years and we look at the Lightnibg team of 2004, and say wow that team was full of stars...
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